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some serious hating and bad belles going on here, lol lol its not about the corrupt leaders now which should be the main focus,but which atiku you attended primary school with and which ibb you went to polytechnic with, anyways,i was in nursery school with yar adua's step daughter and i really despised that girl,imagine she was eating doughnuts and orange juice in class and had a very expensive school bag, anytime she complains about the school work im usually riled up and feel like punching her in the nose,whats wrong with them sef,just because they have money!!

bawomolo:
True talk, rather than reforming the Police Academy and equipping the Police force, these multi-tasking high workrate dogs are of uttermost importance.

abeg,carry your sarcasm waka far! read the comments in its entirety before slashing a portion to suit your comments

Big B1:
This particular decision (the annulment) produced a bad luck, because an innocent man and a friend (MKO) lost his life during the process.

exactly, not forgetting that accepting or not accepting conditional release wasnt ibb's fault,that was the fault of the supposed friends of the man that betrayed him,they knew what was happening outside and the man's condition yet they urged him to refuse,even when his son told him to accept it,koffi anan,madeline albright e.t.c

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=231705.msg3451843#msg3451843 date=1234281662]@ Lucabrasi

Simple Yes or No please - Do you support 200million Naira for kernels housing 30dogs?  [/quote]of course i dont,for obvious reasons but saying the amount is not justified or too much is what im against bearing in mind it is a kernel for housing dogs not specifically 30 dogs, big difference,if the british police gave a quote of 1 million pounds to buy dog kernels that are special built or 11pounds to feed the k9 dogs e.t.c no one will raise an eyebrow because they have not given any reason for suspicions or moral probity

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=231705.msg3451755#msg3451755 date=1234280652]@ Lucabrasi
I'm not disputing your facts but like you said, 11 pounds to feed a dog daily? Just feed.

By the way, what have you got to say to the 200 Million Naira in building a kernel that houses 30dogs (just 30dogs). My dog is a Staffordshire terrier (Codie).
When I went to rescue my dog, I never realised kernel were that expensive. They're not the most complicated of structures.

Abi oju mi fo ni? Egba mi lowo olopa Naija ke.[/quote]seems you have not clicked on the sainsburys link or strolled down there recently,for a fully grown guard dog how many cans of ordinary dog food do you reckon it ll consume in a whole day?
remember for some ages and breeds you might restrict each feeding to a can but not a fully grown guard dog that ll be working 24/7.

as for kernels,its no ordinary kernel,because i recollect reading an article about some of the specially imported dogs that the police got in that died as a result of the extreme heat,remember most of the western world where these dogs are gotten from and whose climate they r used to are not same as the extreme heat we have in nigeria,even states that enjoy hot weather , if the dogs cannot be simply hearded into an airconditioned room, then it stands to reason that a specially modified kernel will be flown in or constructed,besides its not like they will bury the 30 dogs in the kernel,it is re usable for keeping other dogs that ll come after these might have been retired.

[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=229963.msg3448755#msg3448755 date=1234220961]I can see you oh Darlink, you are not saying anything wrong yet, shotigbo [/quote]whcih one r you yoruba ibo or hausa?

tpia:
abeg no one cares who you're sleeping with, as long as you dont start making unfounded generalizations and abusing others as if men and women don finish for town.

me or the bawomolo?

okie no worries dude,crossed wires there.

Ibime:
My friend comot dia! Which kain dog be dat? Na caviar dem dey chop?

seems you are an ibo man, lol
however,i disagree with you 2,500 is around 11 english pounds, how much is a can of dog food,go on sainsburys or tesco and see,how much more a dog that will be working round the clock,specially breeded and with different eating habits to an ordinary poodle, an ordinary pet eating canned foods with proper nutrients will spend 3/4pounds a day, we r not talking naija way of feeding dogs with leftover rice and eba,i presume you have an idea but for the sake of others who dont here is sainsbury's link for dog food,not talking of drinks,bearing in mind they will eat more than 3 times a day
http://www.sainsburys.com/groceries/frameset/navigation_frame.jsp
[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=231705.msg3451660#msg3451660 date=1234279803]I spend £10 weekly on feeding my dog. I'm not sure a dog can consume more than $25 worth daily, That's three much. There's no way anyone can prove this except they do the shopping for the dog food in Harrod's.[/quote]i dont know the kind of dog you have o ,but the average to feed an average dog daily cant be less than,at the very least £2 upwards to £5,maybe you havent seen guard dogs eating talk less of a dog that ll be on the road virtually 24/7, there is the weather consideration as well including the age of the dog as the police cant use puppys but matured dogs,this is no gainsaying you can confirm

Big B1:
Knowing what the man knew at the time, I think to the best of his ability, he made the right decision.
But was the decision the best decision? The answer is "NO". And IBB himself has used the term "Unfortunate" many times, when he talks about the annulment.

We must keep in mind that part of leadership roles is making difficult decisions. Some of the decisions will be on the money, while others will be zero. But the most important thing is having the courage to make these decisions under all circumstances.

i disagree with the above totally,the word "unfortunate" ibb used was not the fact that he made a wrong call but the fact that it was a sad thing which needed to have been done, george bush can say it was unfortunate the way the iraq debacle turned out,but he had to make that call for whatever reasons he can justify at that time" doesnt mean that in his eyes,it was wrong,it simply means he didnt take the issue lightly and wasnt happy with the ensuing surrounding scenarios.
it was the best decision he could have made at the time in view of the reasons advanced and he couldnt have made a better decision,save killing abacha and the members of the afrc,retiring or sending the g.o.c s into exile all because of a single man abiola

Muza:
N2500?
must they use the dogs,arent guns enough.

yes,its not too much to feed dogs who are specially breeded for law enforcement,besides in a country like nigeria,i hope you are not suggesting that police personell with guns is the only acceptable means of policing,in advanced countries in the world even some third world countries,policing is practiced in an hydra headed manner,with technology,with dogs,visible policing,transport police e.t.c
however i share the concern that the money might not be judiciously used but if it is then the police are on point with their priorities concerning that part of law enforcement

@the dapolam/whoever started this thread
ill solemly advice you to steer your thread into the right direction as it has degenerated to something else,if however you feel like the last 3 or so pages is the way you want it to go ,then disregard my comments and good luckxx

fyneguy:
@Lucabrasi

I often agree to your opinions on many issues on this forum. However, on this, you leave much to be desired.

May be I should still pretend you are a democrat, then I would not need to remind you that even if Nigerians voted for a dog as president, nobody had the right to annul such an election.

If Nigerians voted Osama Bin Laden as President, no amount of Terrorism threat should make anybody- let alone a heartless person like IBB- subvert the wish of Nigerians.

That's the spirit of democracy. You dont make excuses to subvert the choice of the majority.

you seem to think im taking this personal,however please only agree with me on any issue after you have objectively examined it and come to your own logical independent opinion,the same way i make comments on issues.
there are a couple of issues you have failed to consider first that this is not about the individual ibb but about the political climate at that time.

it is easy to say anyone that won should be allowed to rule ignoring national security but wouldnt all of us here blame ibb for the loss of thousands of lives if there is a breakdown of law and order?
remember the state nigeria is in now,any spark will cause a conflagration that wont die down easily, the various riots have proved that.
in a country where a tested and tried system of democratic ideals is in place,then anyone that won should have been allowed to rule ,but in a peculiar and highly combustible political climate like it was then,wisdom and consensus needs to be the best way out of the crisis, if a ram enters a china shop,you either quietly with wisdom entice and negotiate it out, or you can go the way you are advocating,after all its your shop and an ordinary ram not minding the damage of broken plates and cups that ll cost you more to replace

the youths should be ahsmed of themselves,in an era when youths worldwide are trying to change the world,they are fighting some old man professional politician for plying his trade,when they should be looking to float their own political party with a view to pushing the old guard out, GOD help us in nigeria

how can atiku be begging to meet nyako when he has mended fences with yar adua and has been seen attending functions with yar adua?
it is politically sensible for atiku to wait for nyako to approach him than the other way round

zik4ever:
I'm glad to information all that after extracting our own share of the emancipation of the NIger Delta from our revered brother, Dr. Edmund Daukoru, we dropped off his kidnapped precious wife, Gladys at an exclusive Hotel in Ph this afternoon.Who says our cause isnt justified!Meanwhile as a further demonstration of the social cost of insecurity and even 'security' in our cherished region, a dear friend called from Ughelli in Delta state to say, a trigger-happy MOPOL taking over duty at First Bank Ughelli branch today morning (about 8am?) fired a warning or is it welcome shot on the concrete floor in the premises (perhaps to warn our comrade militants and fellow emancipators who are Bank shareholders by birthright, having being rendered jobless by years of 'company and government neglect').The Bullet bounced off and hit a pregnant woman on the Chest, killing her on the spot in the very befall and presence of her expectant father of a Husband.However, assurances were reportedly given that the erring MOPOL would be tried through the same internal disciplinary process that dismissed Mallam Nuhu Ribadu from the Force. Perhaps the MOPOL fired into the air (I'm told thats the standard even to disperse rioters) and the Bullet was deflected, or perhaps it was an accidental discharge from a defective weapon (we militants have better ones), or perhaps this incident never happened?It could be a figment of my imaginative ex-Mass-Comm lecturer friend who was clearly distraught and literally mad on the phone.Please let somone concerned follow up this matter (Keyamo, Sahara Reporters or whoever).The blood of the innocent child whose destiny has been vandalised demands justice.I was so pained I had to put this in the open.Please continue to pray for Nigeria.

this is really sad,but trust me keyamo wont touch this with a barge pole asd there isnt a flurry of media coverage accompanying it,these are the only "humanitarian"cases his likes touch, GOD help nigeria

stillwater:
Saucy and abusive? Na wa for you.

most of the ones i have seen,heard both home and away,

bawomolo:
lucabrasi no make tpia and karmamod handle you. see your saucy mouth

no be today, besides any negative retort from a yoruba girl/woman has vindicated my comments already surely?lol

Kobojunkie:
@Lucabrasi, well, now I know how you think and function when it comes to issues such as these. If those words of yours make sense to you, then that is fine.

That only some weeks ago Col Abubakr was an honest man according to you, and today he is a liar, tells me more than I need to know. So, again, if that explanation is what you want to run with now, I say good for you.

trust me,you do not have the foggiest idea of my though process so quit the delusion pls,as usual everything is either your way or no way at all.you though you were being pretty smart and catching me out in a contradiction,and throwing a sulk because i explained myself lol
dont worry i dont profess to know how you think and function but, make the effort to understand comments before jumping in with retorts, its the least you can do after wasting a couple of seconds even bothering to read 'em
@mimoh_mi
totally agree with you,and i also believe shonekan was used to deflect the anger and agitations going on then,at that point there was no chance of abiola ever coming into power,if i was to blame anyone for the whole thing,i think ill blame abiola's advicers,if he had agreed to the conditional release and taken it philosohically as one of life's raw deals,he would have suceeded in strenghtening himself both financially and politically in preparation for the next round,as for the financier of the coup,that is right as well, they are the real culprits if you ask me,they lured the millitary from the barracks to take over and even financed them in these coups thereby turning them into monsters that later turned around to devour them, if one climbs on the back of a wild beast,there s a good chance that you will end up in its belly

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=176871.msg3439170#msg3439170 date=1234021801]How have I cybvr-lynched him? I said I wasn't gonna go further in revealing what I knew of his fraudulent past (and I thought that's none of your business either way) while you went from having heard all these negativities to supporting (indirectly). Oh now it's all about him being able to float a company from almost a non hardworking background?

By the way, mate, you never disagreed nor agreed with me on this issue. You had your honest opinion initially and then shifted towards a neutral one as if you never heard aything about this dude. If you read your past posts, you were even offering advices on how this guy could go about to rebuild his damaged reputation but now you're carefully shifting from the side of objectivity to one of a very questionable judgement of bias in your bid to make a statement. Now you're all about how this dude could be so innocent of all these charges and so we should all trust him.

That's a no-no to me. Sorry. I don't need your suport by the way because I have my honest opinions and you have yours. It's life.[/quote]my good sir,you need to refrain from taking issues personal, its the second time i have said this to you.
i really dont want to neither do i have any reasons for knowing either yours or the guy's personal business,thats up to you guys as i have my own life and issues,what i am against is publicly crucifying an individual on the basis of hearsay and allegations on an online forum where hundreds of thousands of nigerians frequent, its like making allegations in court and then back tracking that you cant reveal your evidence for whatever reason, you should have added the prefix"alledged"

also,pls stop all this emotional blackmail,that isnt going to work on me,i dont have to suport him cause i dont know him,so trying to force me into a particular group wont work.

yes,and i still am neutral on this,basically what im on about is for the guy,indeed any random nigerian to have a fair chance at defending themselves of all allegations proferred against them,you are trying to convince everybody on the strenght of an alledged crime you cannot reveal due to the people involved and you really expect everyone not to vote the guy in on that?like i have said before credible and detailed evidence from any quarter on the guy will make me change my tune quick snap.
its not about you nor me,its not about agreeing or disagreeing with you,its about our inalienable rights as individuals and nigerians!

I WAS OFFERING ADVISE ON HOW THE GUY CAN REBUILD THE REPUTATION F HIM BEING A WOMANISER E.T.C that is totally different from being a criminal, didint barack obama admit to smoking indian hemp,didnt he rebuild himself??
how come the republicans are not publicly lynching those who advised him to do so?

the funny thing is that you are the one pre judging the guy,for all we know what is to say you personally dont have a grudge against him and using this avenue to get at him?its possible isnt it?you are faceless and nameless while he isnt, how sure are we?
im not saying you are but its a possibility isnt it?that is why we must be careful in looking at all sides of the story objectively, i have confirmed the reputation of the guy from people i know about his philandering ways,but that is not enough to assasinate his character as being unsuitable, all the people i know and i have asked have not said anything about him being either a criminal or involved in anyhing of the nature you asserted, so irrespective of what you think, i will err on the side of caution before totally believeing your story hook line and sinker, more so as nobody even people who know the guy have not come on here to confirm

[quote author=mimoh_mi link=topic=229329.msg3441597#msg3441597 date=1234093069]

@Lucabrasi,
Just to clear your point about Obansajo been unable to plan coup cos he
no longer in the military. From my experience, planning a coup require
lots of finances. All coups in Nigeria were never financed by military men,
in fact they are just the executioners. To add, Abiola was one of the major
coup financier in Nigeria. Have forgotten the Obansanjo,Adisa and co story
against Abacha.

Let us just thank God that those thing happened in our history.

[/quote]exactly my point,irrespective of what we think about ibb as a person,that particular time in the history of nigeria was very decisive, we dont seem to realise that the ethnic tensions were still simmering even till now,coupled with the yorubas now ready to fight, imagine first the ibos then the yorubas joining in against their perceived enemies the hausas going against the hausas and millitary the bloodshed that ll ensue

annyplenty:
LUCABRASI

Mind you, Babangida never wanted to quit. he wanted to be a field marshall but a group within the army was against that. you could imagine that, when he used his popular phrase "STEP SIDE" to create ambiguity of meanings to nigerian where he could have used a simple and straight forward RESIGN or RETIRE. His wife was even quoted to have told him it would be better for him to die in office than for her to be reffered to as former first lady.

Babangida cancelled the presidential primary elections held across nigeria which produced Late Shehu Musa Yar;Adua as the flagbearer of SDP and Mallam Adamu Ciroma as NRC flagbearer. Not only this, he also banned the likes of Olu Falae, Bamanga Tukur, Umar Shinkafi and 26 others who contested this primary from recontesting a subsequent primary which then produced ABIOLA for SDP and TOFA for NRC.

going by these, babangida had a record of cancelling elections and banning politicians to suit his selfish plans.
Now, i am not surprised at his excuses about june12 annulment. if he knew abacha was going to topple government, why did he leave him behind when they could have retired together. If Abiola was made president and toppled after 6 months would it not be better than imposing an interim govt which was not voted and was still toppled. could he not have hinted Abiola about possible coup and made Abiola more security conscious in government?



Babangida is desperately trying to make a comeback and he knows it might not be possible without first rewriting the history of june 12.

THIS MAN IS A JUGGERNAUT!

irrespective of his personal views,either he wanted to stay or not,at least he stepped aside,you think if he wanted to be a dictator he wouldnt have tried?the worst that ll happen is a kenya,congo,rwanda situation as long as he was still head of state,he could still marshall more millitary support than abacha and would get the popular support as well between the two, he has an amiable personality as opposed to abacha's foreboding and dark personality,where abacha is abrasive in nature,ibb is a smooth talker.

i dont want to speak ill of the dead,but do you realise abiola was privy to all these bannings?ask yourself why abiola didnt contest in all these elections?abiola admitted that he asked babangida IF HE SHOULD CONTEST THIS TIME AROUND, that tells you that ibb wasnt operating in a vacum but with the advise and support of some people including abiola, im sure you realise abiola's tribe and their ambition wasnt the only reason they were against him.

yes he had a record but advised by people close to him,politicians,yorubas,hausas,ibos e.t.cyou really think the atmosphere that time in the millitary would have allowed him to retire abacha?if he dared maybe he would be six feet under by now, look at the treatment meted out to shonekan who wasnt even a millitary man, reports alledge that a gun was put to his head to resign.
the point is that if abiola was president,it wouldnt have been that bloodless to topple,we all know that,more people would have died and the country would have gone up in flames,abiola with his connections would have gotten the internationalcommunity involved and we might still be at it till today, who knows

have you ever wondered why the americans,british didnt take a decisive stance after the whole thing before abiola died?
im sure he will want to re write the june 12 accounts,but there are some things that ll show through as a fraud,i see the stiory as credible after checking it against other accounts and its connection to them.
1.we know abacha was ambitions, check it against what he did to shonekan,then you ll know he wasnt going to retire without having a go at the presidency
2.we have heard from other accounts that the likes of david mark and co all vowed that they will never allow abiola,checkit against ibb's account
3.colonel umar has said it and others that obasanjo was also a prime factor,same as other yoruba politicians urging the millitary not to allow abiola to rule, im sure you remember the people that betrayed abiola from the yorubas,hausas,ibos, you remember the 1 million march in abuja,nzeribe e.t.c

Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12
« #135 on: Yesterday at 05:01:41 PM » 

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@Lucabrasi, do you realize that you, only months ago, were arguing that Col Abubakar Umar(rtd) was correct in his statements about June 12th? I posted the same article so you can see how you cannot now claim IBB is right, and at the same time claim Col Abubakar was right some months ago?
You basically sang sweet songs of how the man is well respected and unbiased in your world, and so you believed he was right on his statements about reasons for the annulment. Now you claim IBB is right, which means Abubakar has to be wrong since on his list Abacha was against the annulment and Obasanjo was the MAIN reason for the annulment. Mind you Obasanjo would not have been able to carry out a coup since he was not part of the military even then (just in case you plan to come back with a dreamed up Obasanjo coup). Do you not see that you flipped on this issue?

Another thing is the new stance on this issue you seem to have taken on. Only some weeks ago, you mentioned June 12th as reason why you think the Nigerian people aren't coward, and how the leaders aka IBB are to blame. Now you tell us IBB made a good decision because of this new release, basically going back on the belief that June 12th was a crime against the people?  If June 12th was right, then you are invariably saying that the Nigerian people are cowards for fighting a decision that according to your new stance was made in their own good. Am I the only one to notice these twists and turns in your arguments?
@kobojunkie
yes i admit i did say that,what you should ask is what has changed fr4om that time to now?
the fact that ibb has come outto give his own version albeit not a detailed one for now,i said colonel umar was right and yes he was that obasanjo was a pirme reason for the annulment,but that was not the only reason,im sure you realise that there will be dialogues going on that even coloel umar will not be privy to seeing as most of them will have known his stance on many issues,they will have had many meetings on these issues and sounded him out to know what side he belonged to and if not theirs,shut him out of their sensitive plans.

as for abubakar saying abacha was against the annullment,i never said that neither did i ever agree to that,however you can oblige me by showing me and everyone on here where i ever agreed to that salient point, to recap,i still stand on my points that colonel umar is unbiased and morally upstanding,i stand on my point that i believe him when he said obasanjo was a prime reason for the annullment,but i also believe ibb is right that abacha andhis co horts ALSO threatened not to allow abiola to ascend the throne as it was, it was popular knowledge that obasanjo totally opposed it as they were enemies.

i never said june12 wasnt a crime against the people neither am i justifying it to whitewash ibb,im just saying that in a pecliar country like ours,judging my all the funny stuffs that has happened and is still happening,nothing is impossible,and also if we juxtapose ibb's accounts with the comments credited to the likes of david mark and other a.f.r.c. members then,then it sounds credible so the case is ibb between the devil and the deep blue sea, he has to make a call and he did rightly or wrongly, its not peculiar to nigeria where presidents of head of states make deisions that people disagree with.did jimmy carter make the right or wrong decision to rescue american hostages when the iranians captured the american embassy??
some americans today believe he didnt  and it lost him the re-election,some believe he did, so its the same thing

maxsiollun:
Funnily enough there is (partial) truth in what IBB said. Several officers WERE so opposed to MKO that they said they would overthrow him no matter what if he was sworn. The DG of military intelligence Brig Akilu was quoted as saying that "Abiola will be president over my dead body". Brig David Mark also said that he would shoot Abiola the day he was sworn in (yes - this is the same guy who is our current Senate President).

Gen Abacha also said "God forbid" the day when Abiola would be in a position to retire him.

IBB did not say anything new in this latest interview. For the past 15 odd years he has been telling all and sundry that had MKO been sworn in, he would have been overthrown in a violent coup within 6 months. He said this as far back as 1998-2000. As usual the Nigerian press missed it as they were pre-occupied with stories about ritual sacrifices, humans turning into snakes, and how "selective" Ribadu was.

thank GOD there are still nigerians left who are prepared to look at issue objectively without clouding it with emotions and sentiments(hope you r nigerian)lol

instead of nigerians to focus on these pertinent issues above,they are castigating a single man,when the likes of david mark are still sitting in our supposed hallowed legilative halls of governance,talk about getting priorities wrong, as for evidence,you dont even ahve to sweat it as anyone asking you for evidence needs to prove he/she has direct evidence as well seeing as we all are operating under the realm of assumptions

[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=176871.msg3438656#msg3438656 date=1234014291][center]_{***Funny how Lucabrasi went from a neutral critic to a right-wing indirect DapoLam supporter***}[/center][/quote]funny how disagreeing with you is automatically construed as being a supporter of the dapolam dude, so im right wing now for asking for evidence before cyber lynching the guy, hmmn guess to be a card carrying member of the socialists leftists i ,must condemn on the strenght of allegations

boladonas:
Igbo gurls are becoming more realistic and have more value for other people
I think Yoruba girls are becoming more diplomatic, money conscious and unmarriable!!!
Most Yoruba girls dont believe in the institution of marriage as such
The era of [b]SURULERE[/b]are gone for them
They are now looking for OLORUNSOGO.

hmmmn, i must confess i also have a bias for ibo and hausa girls,they r not as saucy and abusive and are more laid back, none of the whole peacock posing

ode remo:
like something the world had not seen before.

yes,but im sure you wont hope or pray for your family or loved one to be involved or in that scenario yes?

ode remo:
stop repeating this nonsense, like what, civil war, we had that before, hunger , we have , corruption we have, not to give bakassi away , we have already done that, financial crisis, the man abiola was brilliant at accounting, so saving us from what.

and is the residue of the civil war gone?or havnt you seen the hatred displayed on here between ibos and other tribes?
the fact that abiola is good at accounting is not enough reason, iwu is a professor,yar adua was a chemistry lecturer,osunbor was a law professor

Big B1:
If you folks are so upset and crave for a change, why not return back home and fight for your rights?

thank you o,same thing i have been hammering on all these years

@mamajama
do you really want to delve into the reasons why abiola might not be trustworthy for the job?i dont think you do because there are a myriad of reasons

jamace:
We know that many things have gone wrong. But when you see a little good thing, praise it so that more good ones can come.

you r totally right and i agree,but not in this instance, a rudimentary knowledge of economics and actually going through the budget will open your eyes to this fact,dont take things that are reported on n.t.a hook line and sinker

dayokanu:
@Lucabrasi,
I dont get you, A broke boy of 1999 owns an oil company now without ever working in any capacity and what we conclude was Osoba, Ladoja, Akala and other children are richer than him. This is absurd thinking.

If Osobas son stole 100m that means Dapo lam is still ok if he stole just 5million?

you still dont get my point,the pertinent point here is not having an oil company,even you can register a oil company in nigeria,i can and anybody can,what matters is how much the oil company is worth dont you agree?
its like saying because you own a car,then you must be a criminal,without checking if the car is a 200grand tokunbo toyota or a bentley.

the point here is nobody has proven that the guy stole either 5million,100million or even 100kobo yet, are you saying that even after his father served as a state governor,the dude wont even take advantage of his father's network of friends and hangers on?
im sure you realise that some people who just want to meet his dad wil spend any amount on the guy or do sme business with him,the likes of clinton,jimmy carter e.t.c didint spend their own millions to start and run the foundation9though they spend some money)the bulk of the money is made from people who want to associate with them and the name, im sure you realise that the guy's surname,an atiku,babangida,obasanjo e.t.c last name is a copyright on its own

dayokanu:
Have you ever worked in Nigeria before and u know how easy it is to pool 1million to start with? 5 million is like $40,000 are you kidding me?

of course its not easy pooling even 10,000 naira but the guy is the son of a former governor and he is bound to cash in on his father's network of friends and people who just want to associate with the name,do you know how many unknowns in nigeria are worth that 5million in dollars?

dayokanu:
The people who complained on State media that why didnt his dad caution his wasteful spending too were probably beefing him. Anyone who says anything about DapoLam is either a PDP member or beefing.

lets be honest here,if you had children who have suffered with you all your life and then at the twilight of your life,you were lucky to attain that post,wont you give these children a break?
remember we dont know how many times these same children have had to persevere with their dad,we dont know the times when the man didnt give the children enough for school and all they went through with their dad,so havnt they earned the right to live out their fantasies?
remember there is youthful exuberance as well,because you r talking of when the guy was an undergraduate

dayokanu:
Lucabrasi I thought you live in UK where things work, so you tell me a broke boy of 1999 becomes a oil coy owner and people shouldnt ask any question? If not that I have have discussions with you on other threads, I might be tempted to believe Money has changed hands

yes you should ask questions,and the guy has answered the questions put to him,the next step is for anyone to reveal any evidence which the guy has so charged anyone to do, that is my own grouse,trust me if anyone revealed incriminating info on the guy ill change my song quick snap.

let us find out what the capital base,assets ,recurrents e.t.c of this "oil company" is before using it as a basis,
hence the example i gave of people i know who registered oil companies with nothing really to show for it, trust me the guy cannot afford to pay me,if i wanted t0 do a whitewash job ill start from politicians inside my family talk less of a virtuall stranger

meexteriox:
@ Lucabrasi
I guess at this point, there is really no need to continue this onslaught on personal views, on a matter
i wish to consider a black spot on Nigeria historical development.
You have your non bending stance while i have mine, we could just go on and on while IBB sits in the
comfort of his Minna Hilltop drinking the best of champagne (_{our stolen loot could buy})
laughing his head off.


It was enlightening while it lasted though. CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hear you sir,guess th most important thing is for us to think outside the box and examine issues strictly on their own merits without allowing emotions or sentiments to override

Mamajama:
Yoruba man said FUNRAWON NI WON MA FUN RANWON LOGUN JE.



I am still seating here shaking my head in disbelief that IBB actually gave that juvenile excuse for his actions.



IF IBB knew that pronouncing Abiola as the president will lead to ultimate coup. My question is why waste Nigerians time and resources in conducting the election in the 1st place?

yes and the same yoruba leaders betrayed their man abiola,even one of them asked what he was going to look for in aso rock,never mind that he later reaped the reward of his arch enemy's efforts, so rather than sayn that i think its the same yorubas who are in the process of implosion or self destruction.

how is the excuse juvenille?

he wasted nigeria's time and resources because they didint believe abiola will avchieve a landslide, remember the millitary were not adept at electoral malpractise like the professional politicians of today and they were not as brazen in their actions, like iwu is.

dayokanu:
Lucabrasi,
Are u joking?
A guy floats an oil company and he has never worked all his life. His income is from GIFTS from dads friend.
Anyone who cant explain his source of wealth is a thief.

Even Mohammed Abacha would tell you he mad his money from GIFTS from dads friends

what is the capital base,expenditure e.t.c of the oil company?
what ispertinent here is that the term"oil company"is relative, thophilus danjuma has an oil company,my brother's friend who is still working in london has an "oil company" doesnt mean it is lucrative or he wouldnt still be working in london lol
i can decide to have an oil company tmorrow in naija ferrying diesel allocations and stuffs, its still an "oil company"so lets not over hype this whole oil company thing abeg,also had the guy committed any sin by exploiting his father's name or influence?
second,i dont think the guy declined to explain the source of his wealth,if i remember correctly and im sure the moderators on this thread e.g b.o.s.s. can help out ,he explained his business and what not.

toksajayi:
The boy said he is worth less tahn N5m and that we can probe him.Why dont we come out and probe him first and then see if he has more than that or not.
N5m for a former governor's son is supposed to be commended.If truly he stole money or collected contracts would he be worth less than N5m?
We need to reason and not just live in a fool's paradise.This is nothing but envy trust me.
I am so sure we can never have a guv's son who is worth less than N5m,At least I know Gboyega Ladoja,Tobi and Olumide Osoba,lamiju akala,mowunmi Agagu et al.Do they worth less than N5m?
Let us reason and face the truth.

Let someone who is neutral come out and probe the boy as he said he will cooperate so that we can lay all to rest.
what am i even saying,would you be convinced?You have made up your mind on not supporting the boy.

That is why you can never come out with any proofs against him.

i totally agree with these comments,its for us to be totally objective in our appraisal of the guy,if he has stolen then lets judge him fairly and then show him up,allegations like sayinghis junior or senor brother was involved in fraud isnt enough to crucify him,or that he was a lavish spender or oppressing ppl e.t.c
lets be honest here,the only people that ll be offended are either political opponents which my friend'd dad is one or students he has oppressed while in school or the group b.o.s.s belongs to who are being cynical and not even giving the guya chance at all
[quote author=B.O.S.S. link=topic=176871.msg3435008#msg3435008 date=1233937372]I never mentioned the issue of lavish spending as my evidence against DapLam so don't get fresh here. You stated that you didn't receive positive comments and being a alcoholic or a dope slinger to me doesn't mean jackbut come on now, why're you trying to flip flop as if I'm confused. I only mentioned what you said to emphasise to Toks Ajayi so he could get on with his explanation rather than u highlighting the issue of drinking and smoking in bold.

But did I just read there that there's no evidence against his embezzlement? _{Show me the evidence that IBB also stole our wealth.}I hear you o. _{Sometimes I don't even get your argument at all.}[/quote]i am not flip floping man,i have made it clear as day that what i got from my friend was the same thing most people on here have highlighted before namely that he was a lavish spender,"oppressing",womaniser and so based on that is going into office to continue his decadent lifestyle with public money, my friend's stance is same as yours which is that based on that antecedent of the guy,he is going in there to steal,

based on my own objective view however,womanising,"oppressing",and a generally decadent lifestyle isnt enough to disqualify a candidate,reason why i gave examples that you can easily cross check online.

evidence that ibb stole is there for all to see namely the gulf war windfall of 12billion,you should know me by now that i onlyy debate on issues i have evidence to back up,or ill keep quiet,where is the general evidence that the guy stole other than the fact that,he used his father's influence to make money which is two different scenarios,i can approach a company to give me a contract or allow me to execute a business using my dad's influence,nothing wrong if i sucessfully execute it right?

george bush used his father's influence to get himself in the highest political office in the world so what are we on about here?

i hope you get my argument now?
all i am advocating for is
1.evidence,even general evidence that the guy was involved in something untoward that could have a bearing on his candidature.
2.for us to be objective in judging him and not be carried away by whatever his vrother,father,mother,uncle,aunty,pastor,imam or whatever has done neither should we judge him by these.
3.like toks ajayi has been saying a neutral and impartial judge to be allowed to fairly asses the guy and come to an objective,impartial opinion devoid of any iota or pre judgement, after all that is supposed to be the democracy we are practicing

eternity is smelling in this thread, if you want to attend an ivy league school then make sure you  call for financial reinforcements fom home or better still work your ass off so that your born/unborn children will have acess to what you didnt have instead of spreading eternity perfume everywhere, anyone who thinks the girl will be bothered by this is deluding him/herself, true nigerian ko,true jamaican ni

@poster
if you have been here long enough ,im sure you realise sarcasm and criticisms of any laudable achievements is second nature to most nigerians, ill give you the benefit of doubt simply because i dont see you asking any of us for money or soliciting for anything here,pls more grease to your elbows and keep doing your thing, china and the western world didnt get there in a day,