₦airaland Forum

ekt_bear:
I think you are missing the point. I am asking, what do you mean by "built"? What does built mean?

The relevant questions to me are:
A) Who spent the money
B) where did they get the money from.

Now, if it turns out that the FG or the British spends $X per year but generate $Y in revenue from the port, and Y > X, then it seems to me that they have absolutely no case for saying that they "built" (which I guess you are using to mean "subsidized" the port. After all, in that case, the $X could have been easily found elsewhere, since the port is self-sustaining.

Otoh, if X < Y, then yes, it seems they do have a case since the $X couldn't have easily been found elsewhere.

In a nutshell, unless you are arguing that more was sunk into Lagos port by the FG than was generated by it, then you don't have a case. And if you are arguing that more was sunk in, then'll you'll have to back it up with data. Which I suspect will be impossible for you to do.

i hope u arent insinuating the ports were built by cocoa money ?

for your information the Nigerian government built the seaports. (how dare u compare the jetty that the British built for slave trading to the colossal edifice that grace our port today?)

and it wasnt from any yoruba cocoa money but the damn crude oil. u can as well say it was groundnut pyramid money , isn't it?

ekt_bear:
3. By designating Port X as military or oil, are you claiming that it is thus forbidden to import/export anything else from those ports? Does the FG charge you more to import/export from those ports? Like, how exactly is the FG supressing PH and Warri?
4. Speaking which PH is a river port, not a seaport. Same with Calabar. If they want to dredge to make the port more attractive, that sounds fine. But you should recognize that intrinstically it'll be more profitable (or I should say, less expensive) for a shipper to ship to a seaport than a riverport.

a military port wouldnt have the same facilities  of operation as a cargo civilian port. to be more accurate, warri port is in fact a berth for th eNigerian navy. the only way it can be use by the civilian would be to evict the navy. evict them to where? . so for the foreseeable future the warri port will be a naval shelter.

4. Speaking which PH is a river port, not a seaport. Same with Calabar. If they want to dredge to make the port more attractive, that sounds fine. But you should recognize that intrinstically it'll be more profitable (or I should say, less expensive) for a shipper to ship to a seaport than a riverport.

Lagos seaport is a river port as well.  the ships wait at taqua bay to get clearance to navigate the narrow lagoon strait, adding to cost of shipping to Nigeria's only viable seaport.

@ektbear,   u re so funny, so na British now built it ? , no more yoruba ?

my dear, lets not worry our young heads over nothing, ONE NIGERIA! (no be am ?)

0lumide:
Where are you guys getting these informations from? Emeka moved from Nnewi to Lagos, set up a business in Lagos but can't do so in Onitcha?

If the Lagos state people didn't create the environment for him to start biz will he? So let's assume your figure of 40% is true every Igbo in Lagos pay taxes? Why are lying? 90% of Nigerians don't payy taxes,  When was the last time you went to Nigeria?

What is building lagos is the revenue they get from all businesses not Igbo businesses.

And in America Nigerians can go there and demand a state be carved for them init?

Here, I pay taxes for my bizness, obey the law and don't see my self as American or Brit even though I have their passports. I will only feel comfy when Yoruba land is el dorado!! I am Nigerian and Yoruba and when I get millis enough to relocate my biz, it's bye bye American pie!!!!

go and agitate for a state in the US because you pay taxes to them, 

Americans took over the land peacefully init? Oh wait the natives just said, you can have all the land we don't need it init?

When blood start running the streets of Lagos, don't be a biafra cry baby okay? There is a whole world of Yorubas dedicated to keeping visitors welcome in Lagos but kicked out when they overstay their welcome,

Welcome to Lagos: Center of Exellence! When the propagnda stops working, war will break out and you will forced to live wounded!

Why do Yorubas think they built Lagos, abeg in what way? Before fashola, has there been any developmental effort on any scale embarked upon by anybody ?
yet Lagos did boom. thousand were trooping in.

Fashola is successful not becos he has the best brains but becos the trader opened up their wallets to pay taxes (they never did before now)(the corporations has always paid taxes), And hello, most of the trader taxed are Igbos. the yoruba markets in ketu  and mushin are not subjected to the same tax alaba and tradfair pays.

Now, lagos revenue has jumped from a miserable 4 bn to 26.8 billion every damn month.  that is like 7 times their previous revenue.


Ask ursef, why do people, esp easterner troop to Lagos,

- becos yorubas has made the place an eldorado?
-becos yorubas has made the place  secured ?
- becos yorubas have a lot of spending power ?
- becos yoruba . .  .

For christ sake, the number one thing that brings people to lagos is the seaport !
the seaport accounts for over 70% of non-corporate business activities in that lagos. And, hello , it was built by the Federal Government!

There is a seaport in portharcourt , calabar, and warri

The federal govt strictly designated the portharcourt seaport as an oil export terminal.

Calabar seaport is merely 30 feet of which has clogged up with sand, hence needs dredging - donald duke begged the OBJ govt fervently to dredge it all to no heed.
the cost of dredging it came up to be 34 billion.
the states annual budget before their only oil wells were ceded to Akwa Ibom were a meagre  36billion naira. so its clear. without the federal help, the state can not dredge the calabar seaport.

Tinapa is lying in a state all becos the seaport is comatose - not yet dredged.


WARRI seaport, the federal government also did designate the warri port for the Nigerian Navy.  

do u get the picture ?

please give us in-depth details and costing, payment plan etc

0lumide:
No pukassa, I don't want a unity state in Owerri or Onitcha or whatever,  i'm good staying in my as my home or going to others for economic, social and exposure reasons not to go and try to lord over them and if I can't try to carve out a piece of their land to lord over

You call going to another man's land to lord over them a good thing? That is fair? Building a territory in another man's land? is this even wise? Are you serious? That is your idea of competition?

Wow!!! You suck,  As an Awori, i'll tell you straight forward that the only people who can rule Lagos are Yorubas and every governor is selected and accepted first before elected!! Go figure!! if we don't want Festac state, you can only dream!!

Lagos is too organized politically for strangers to rule!! Go figure!

what is your definition of lording ?

i think the lording is done by the Yoruba in the state Government whose tax is generated by mostly igbo business, a state with over 40 % (official 36%) people of igbo extraction, yet produces NO LGA chairman, no deputy,

even the appointments, there are less than five igbos in the government of over 200 appointee .

Now, who is lording who?


Lets not jump the cart, IMO these guys agitating for a Festac state are most likely trying to drum attention to the state of their area.

yarodin:
I don't know where u getting your figures from, but if what u saying is true, then Igbos shall own both Lagos and FESTAC STATE.  Chineke emela oooooooooooooooooooooh.

can't be. Igbos in lekki can't be anywhere above 60%.

Desola:
Why should Lekki be left to the minorities? Have you forgotten so soon that 95% of the mansion there belong to the ibos? Nope, Lekki would be carved into Festac just as the oil producing states were carved into biafra.

Abeg mk una take am easy, the fact that two groups headed by igbos wrote a petition for a Festac state does mean the group is even majority Igbo , probably the two men are better talker, and hence elected/appoint to do the dirty bidding of some yoruba warlord.

Desola:
Yes, yes, brilliant idea. I love it!

Don't mess with okoro and Hausa alliance, they are a formidable force!

desola dear, pls dont mind these internet warriors. our politics is growing, growing past our tribal affiliation.

Anyway, is desola your real name ?

pls, what does it mean ?

why is this nairaland so vile. . . . tufiakwa!

nothing we no go hear

Since the senate indicated interest in the creation of states to rectify the imbalance in the voting powers of a certain geopolitical zone over the others, a sudden beehive of activities has been going on, political consultation, alliances fashioned out to promote particular interest. Communities has voiced their desire to stand alone as a state, regions has clamored to have the new states created out from their enclaves to promote and enhance rapid development of their area. Others in the clamoring, want their new state to address what they see as long neglect and overshadow of their interest and voices by the other areas. No where is this clamor more pronounce than in the delta, The Aniomas. The Urhobos and the Itsekiris.

The Aniomas, are Igbos and Igboloid clans whom despite having the state capital of delta in the area has raised their voices to the abysmal development effort and at times total shun they as a people get from their other state's men.

A Mr festus ochi attested to that and lamented :" at times even Warri people behave like we are not part of the state, they allocate everything to themselves. This is the only state where another region in the state is more prominent than the state capital."

No doubt the creation of delta state has always been a worry to a lot of the minorities in the state who felt they all deserve their own state to carter to their own aspirations. However, in as much as the senate wishes to create more state i doubt the senate would be willing to create a state for every agitating group, neither would they want to create the states based on tribal affiliation or identity, as what the country needs at this time is more togetherness , more unity. would the Anioma people agree to this ? we would have to wait to find out.



Also, on a more bizarre note i would say, some groups are petitioning for the creation of a Festac state out of the present Lagos state. The group indicated the population of their area as a worthy criteria for their demand and the solvency of their area, its accessibility to the ocean and the diverse cultures and people in their area.


The leader of one of the groups, a Mr James Umunna indicated the abuse of power and resources being imparted by the Alawusa leadership of the state.
He complained of total neglect of their infrastructures and people,  he said: " we have suffer a lot in this Lagos, is not as if our area hasn't the resources or manpower, yet Alawusa taxes us but won't repair our roads, our sewage has burst since . . . i cant even remember, the excreta now overflows onto the roads, yet Alawusa wouldn't do anything to help us."


The leader of the other group, a Mr benjamin Nwokaturuocha, asked our reporters to come with him to see the state of neglect the government has conferred to the area.
He also indicated as another reason why the creation of a Festac state is necessary as the total neglect of the people of Festac town in the scheme of appointments in the present state.

He said:" could you imagine of over 10 government offices in this area, not more than five festac people are employed in them. Alawusa keeps on bringing people from outside this area to occupy positions here, is that fair ?

"even the small small contracts are still outsourced, could you believe that ? he asked. "




Anyway, i guess we would have to wait for the senate to draw up the guide lines for a state creation before we can figure out the answer to Mr Nwokaturuocha's question and a lot more.



http://nationalmirroronline.net/news/1636.html

Sha, my people can be happy over little things.

The question shd be; who is running shows in this Air Nigeria?

Why can't a handful of the millions of business moguls of Igbo extraction pull resources together and float an airline?

Odili can afford to own two airline just from his naira bank account.
Emeka Offor.
Ekene dili chukwu
Ogbuawa motorcycle spare parts man
Coscharis.
Many of orlu drugs (medicine) barons
Abiriba textile mogul
Mbaise estate developer
Nnewi -lol, every body in nnewi
Enugu king pins
Delta moguls- Can't see why jim ovia, elumelus, and many others can't afford to start their own airline or pull resources together to start one.


Tmrw tinubus air-one wud start flying. Flying to same Enugu n Imo airports.  
This time around the staff wud b thick oyo Yorubas, the announcement wud definitely be in Yoruba or in an english that wud sound more Yoruba than English.

"Passengers, ejo jo ko' "

sorry, but where the hell is this man getting all these moneys he is spending

free education,

maintaining and signing on Ohakims dream ideas and paper contracts

now paying off pensioners

all within two months

^^^^ missed you

^^^ since u can no longer think

so the cow seller who sells probably on average 2 to 3 cows to a customer @ 80,000 per cattle, how wud he manage to bank his money?

The village groceries shop that buys his wares from Arieara once in a month, who wud probably spend over 250,000 buying everything groceries in bulk to be retailed, how wud he get access to his money ?

i tot u said u re into business, more SMS businesses in naija makes over 150,000 daily, isn't it ?

Moreover, i have decided not to waste my energy on this topic anymore because more than likely the court wud overturn the silliness, cos the number one contractual commitment the customer has with his bank is the accessibility of his money.

if on the other hand terrorist sanusi wins, then be rest assured many bank, banks already on fine thread, wud go belle up. there wud be massive depositors withdrawal and non-banking of cash. why bank ur cash when u will not be allowed to withdraw how much ever cash u want.

so if u want to close ur account of over 150,000 nko?

[size=18pt]SANUSI IS AN UNDERCOVER [/size] [size=28pt]TERRORIST[/size]

soludo initiated non-interest banking and NOT ISLAMIC BANK!!!

PapaBrowne:
What do you expect from a CBN Governor whose only post graduate degree is a Masters Degree in Islamic Studies from a Sudanese University!
As someone rightly stated, the CBN Governor recieved training in Sudan in 1991 the same year as Osama Bin Laden.
Then there was a request for the opening of a Sharia bank named  Al Qaeda Bank!!!
Then again, the CBN governors best friend, Mutallab's son was involved in a global terrorist act!!

The man has got to be some kind of terrorist!!

dude is not a laughing matter, it is really awakening !


SANUSI's post graduate degree is a Masters Degree in Islamic Studies from a Sudanese University!

SANUSI recieved training in Sudan in 1991 the same year as Osama Bin Laden

SANUSI's best friend is Mutallab, who is the chairman of the licensed Islamic bank, whose son is a renowned and illustrious Global Jihadist and  Al Qaeda  TERRORIST

^^^ MUST EVERY THING BE TRIBAL. Its really [size=18pt]DISGUSTING [/size]

Hot Jane:
I love this man

damn, u toooooo fine girl. Mehn, Those thighs are ravishingly beautiful. lucky boy-friend!

^^^ who ? sanusi ?

IMO, i think Soludo is the best brain Nigeria has ever produced. Not minding his lapses in not check-mating some of the dubious bankers, Generally, that guy is so brainy, well endowed with massive fore-sight, and amongst  all   his skulduggery in pushing for his reforms.

check out his landmarks

* consolidation= who ever tot it wud happen, arm twisted these politico-bank owners to adhere to a reform that wud protect the poor masses deposit. who tot it will let alone be a success. 

* Introduction of polymer naira note to our most used denomination.

*  The ill-fated proposal for a seamless upward review of our currency to tame inflation and save money from paper currency production.

*  compelling every bank to have presence in every of the 36 states- this singular act ushered in the massive recruitment and actual jobs to the teeming labour market.

*  compelled banks to integrate their various branches accounts , so that a person who opens an account in lagos then happened to be moved to another state didn't have to always go to Lagos, same branch to mk a withdrawal.

* encouraged Nigerian banks to spread all over the world, dominating various economies - serrie lone, liberia, gambia, providing essenstial services and massive financial clot and gain for Nigerian and her businesses .

* mandating every bank to have an affiliate with a foreign western bank to ease money transfer; this act reduced the time it took to mk transfers from a little over 30 days to 3 working days. massively help businesses to process their goods , as well as postgraduate student mking tuition fees payments.

* what else. .   .   .

* was on the verge of doling out a segment of our foreign reserve to our well performing local banks to manage.

* sanusi said he also made provision for banks who might be interested in running islamic banking NON-INTEREST BANKING, laying the frame work and modalities  .

* sorted out our statistics office. monthly performance indexes were duly published. KPIs outlined.

* . .  .  ,  . i can keep going to like two pages, however the question is



WHAT HAS AGANGA, SANUSI AND THE PAST FOUR TO FIVE CBN GOVERNORS ACHIEVED OR EVEN CONCEIVED ?



Sincerely, it is a shame, a very big shame Soludo is not in GEJ government!

IMO, i think Soludo is the best brain Nigeria has ever produced. Not minding his lapses in not check mating some of the dubious bankers, Generally, that guy is so brainy, well endowed with massive fore-sight, and amongst  all   his skulduggery in pushing for his reforms.

check out his landmarks

* consolidation= who ever tot it wud happen, arm twisted these politico-bank owners to adhere to a reform that wud protect the poor masses deposit. who tot it will let alone be a success. 

* Introduction of polymer naira note to our most used denomination.

*  The ill-fated proposal for a seamless upward review of our currency to tame inflation and save money from paper currency production.

*  compelling every bank to have presence in every of the 36 states- this singular act ushered in the massive recruitment and actual jobs to the teeming labour market.

*  compelled banks to integrate their various branches accounts , so that a person who opens an account in lagos then happened to be moved to another state didn't have to always go to Lagos, same branch to mk a withdrawal.

* encouraged Nigerian banks to spread all over the world, dominating various economies - serrie lone, liberia, gambia, providing essenstial services and massive financial clot and gain for Nigerian and her businesses .

* mandating every bank to have an affiliate with a foreign western bank to ease money transfer; this act reduced the time it took to mk transfers from a little over 30 days to 3 working days. massively help businesses to process their goods , as well as postgraduate student mking tuition fees payments.

* what else. .   .   .

* was on the verge of doling out a segment of our foreign reserve to our well performing local banks to manage.

* sanusi said he also made provision for banks who might be interested in running islamic banking NON-INTEREST BANKING, laying the frame work and modalities  .

* sorted out our statistics office. monthly performance indexes were duly published. KPIs outlined.

* . .  .  ,  . i can keep going to like two pages, however the question is



WHAT HAS AGANGA, SANUSI AND THE PAST FOUR TO FIVE CBN GOVERNORS ACHIEVED OR EVEN CONCEIVED ?



Sincerely, it is a shame, a very big shame Soludo is not in GEJ government!

thats were u get it wrong. these seemingly exuberance of the group could become even bigger. Remember these guys are not learner politicians who pander to a populist sentiments to secure lucrative positions, these guys are thick, all the know is the koran, and the unfortunate mis-interpretations.

I dont see these guys surrendering their arms easily because the now have their eyes on something big , bigger than what anybody can stomach but they still believe with their terror can be achieved. Adoption of the strictest islamic code of conduct for the north.

if these guys are left unchecked, sooner than later, most northern politicians wud lend their hand and voice to the group, not becos the sincerely believe it but  to spare their lives, then it will be some deep shiit,

sorry for the YORUBA name-calling i accept that was very immature of me.

dude lets not degenerate this into tribal shiit, but look, a boko haram is killing people, destroying lives and properties, ruining the economy of the state, everyday that passes these guys get more audacious. in fact they dont need a sponsor anymore, if they ever needed one, when the can easily stroll into a bank and carter away millions.

with these source of funding,
The can easily source more sophisticated armament, then it gets a lot more difficult to quell.

listen, the more time these guy have on their hands the more the wud start recruiting, albeit by force, millions of available naive  almarjiris on the street.

to him much is given much is expected!

greateros:
majority of the murdered officers are Muslims from the north. there seem to be a pattern. it seems the targeted officers has in one way or the other participated in the killing of their members in 2009 [just an assumption] if you study the photos closely you will notice that the injuries are not sporadic but calculated attack to kill [almost all the victims have severe head injuries].

i think the boko harams are sending a message to all the security officers. they seem to say - we know each and every one of you involved in the assassination of our members and we will get you one way or the other. secondly, majority of the vandalized police precincts seem to have been used as a facility for detaining and torturing their members [just an assumption]. I guess this targeted attacks has achieved the purpose of scaring the shi-t out of every police officer in the north, hence their reluctance to participate in investigating the sect. In fact some officers now chose to deny any crime committed by the sect out of fear of being a target for murder.

I dont wish to be GEJ at this point in time cause as it is now, he is between the devil and the deep blue sea. any action he takes will result in serious consequences for him and the entire nation. If he decide to go after their sponsors, he will plunge the country into a civil war - if he chose to treat them with kid gloves just as his security outfits are about doing, the sect will grow into a hydra headed monster that will still end up consuming his government and possibly cast the nation into chaos.

[b]GEJ'S BEST OPTION FOR NOW IS TO GO SILENT ON THE SECT. THEY WILL RAVE, RANT, COMMIT HEINOUS ATROCITIES JUST TO LURE HIM OUT TO THE ARENA BUT HE WILL DO BEST TO GO SILENT ON THEM. THE END RESULT IS - THEY WILL GET TIRED [/b]AND THE SECT WILL DIE A NATURAL DEATH LIKE THE SHARIA LAW OF OBASANJO YEARS OR THE CITIZENRY THEMSELVES WILL GET FEED-UP WITH THEIR OPERATION AND DECLARE A MASS ATTACK ON THEM.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS, GEJ SHOULD TAKE THE COWARD WAY OUT - STAY SILENT ON THE SECT. THEY WILL SOON COMMIT WHAT WILL PIT THE MASSES AGAINST THEM AND THEY WILL BE ATTACKED BY THE MASSES.

^^^ Damn!! you are a coward, right ?

why are u so insensitive to other peoples plight, why do u find it difficult sticking your head out for some other people ?.

if these boys were bombing Lagos or Abuja, would you also be advocating **go-silent-approach-** ?

"allow them till the get tired". Allow them to keep maiming and killing your fellow country men . SMH-  -   -