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absoluteSuccess:
It doesn't sound pleasant to sell the great history of Ijebuland to an obscure spot without historical relevance.

An account claimed there's 'Ode Ijebu' at Wadai, if so, does this singular occurence transplant Ode Ijebu to 'Ijebu Ode'?

Nimrod came to us through the bible and Sultan Bello and Rev. Johnson, not through some scholars, Oduduwa did not come with Nimrod.

How do you accept that story to be truth? Why would only Nimrod and Oduduwa survive from Abraham to Mohamet time without scratch? Why is it that Oduduwa has no sibling but sons named after kingdom?

alake, onisabe, orangun, alafin, olowu, alaketu, onipopo, are these arabic names? if not then Yoruba was before the 'Islamic Oduduwa'.

And if that is the case, the Islamic Oduduwa and his 'club7' has failed. There was an early Oduduwa, whose name was stolen to give credence to the 'hamitic theory' among the Yorubas by the 'Islamic Oduduwa folks', who believed it is theirs.

All we are saying, stop this anachronistic identity theft.

Fancy seeing you kick against the Mecca and Waddai claims.

I'm surprised really

Beautiful, although I wasn't able to read all of it properly due to the writing format



So Oreorelu is Obatala after all?. Susanne Blier in her works made me believe that Oreorelu was a hunter, ruling Ife before obatala

truthman2012:
Find the similarities here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

Why do you worship your allahh the same way arabs worship their idols?

Why is idol worship system and allahh worship system COMPATIBLE?

What do you mean by idol worship system?

KingEbukasBlog:
Lies and more lies . Where exactly in the bible substantiates this claim ?

Here are passages that enforce gaining knowledge and enlightenment


Proverbs 2:10-11

10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

Proverbs 2:6
6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 20:15
15 There is gold, and a multitude of rubies: but the lips of knowledge are a precious jewel.

Proverbs 6:23
23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Hosea 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee ...

Macof , dont forget to prove your statement : "the bible preaches against knowledge and enlightenment"

Christians quoting old testament only when it suits them. I thought y'all said the old laws were abolished by jesus?
OK.
1 Corinthians 2:13 When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths.

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit says clearly that in later times some believers will desert the Christian faith. They will follow spirits that deceive, and they will believe the teachings of demons... (they say this is about islam )

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this age is foolishness with God.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

But why does christianity blackmail people away from seeking knowledge outside the bible? When it's clear that the bible is limited

So why don't you worship in the The shrines of Obalufon since such amazing discoveries were made there ? Can you give me evidence that the above is true . How does it work ? Can you make references to articles that provide proof of your statement ?

oh ignorant one, in africa, we do not worship. . Not necessarily, Shrines and temples are places of Spirituality not religion.
You probably don't know but many Greeks studied in Egyptian temples

If you want evidence you would have to search Google. .or wait till I'm less busy.

Please stop telling lies . I thought God does not exist to talk of Jesus not being His son . Even in the bible , it was clear that the Jews did not accept Him as the Son of God that's why they crucified .

John 19 : 6-7
6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.


You know nothing of the bible and you keep making false claims .

Now ask urself why was jesus rejected by the very people he came for? At his failure the peasant (or his disciples) started an entirely different movement and gullible africans like you are falling for the fraud

somegirl1:
You don't recall the names of movies but you always check names of producers and recall which movies are produced by Igbos compared to those produced by non-Igbos. Bravo.

Most filmmakers are more popular than their films. It would be a chore to name 5 movies from one of those filmmakers with a fancy for low budgets

Crayola1:
If there if there is no "Yoruba-wood" then why does every article about actors who only do roles using the language must be prefaced with "Yoruba Language Actress/Actor". Whether or not you make the distinction other people do and classify accordingly. Sometimes you get the Yoruba branch of Nollywood, but more often then not its treated like Kannywood, a separate entity from the English Nollywood, unless you are someone who crosses over between the two.

It's essentially how Bollywood is Hindi. Tollywood Tamil and etc. To the outsider they are all Bollywood, but in India it is definitely not the case.

The group to suffer most from this are Igbo people who arguably treat Nollywood like Nollywood+1 where Nollywood English (Igbo inspired films) and Igbo films are almost one and the same.

I will not use the word dominate (because that is too antagonistic) but Igbo people still play a major role in English Nollywood. Even in the posh Nollywood films you like to hype, Igbo people are still among the cast in many cases. Considering the fact that many of the actors still in rotation are long runners its bound to favor one group over the other.

Or in one strange case of one Yoruba director who had mostly Yoruba actors answering Igbo names in the film (why tho? just make them Yoruba or have them answer English names).

The more local Nollywood is definitely still tied to the Alaba cartel though

But a Nollywood open to all is a good thing, I hope

Ok. Maybe in a more appropriate thread

KingEbukasBlog:
A big LOL for you

What has the "african shine" given you ? Hate , killing of twins , seeing knowledge as evil , darkness etc . People have proclivities and have to stop when they see it would lead them to destruction . Apply same here as regards to "African Heritage" .

Christianity started in the middle - east before it spread . What were these westerners practicing before they embraced christianity ? Africans used beasts of burden , local agricultural tools , lived in mud houses etc but when a better means of livelihood came we embraced it .

GooseBaba I dont see you living in a mud house or riding your horse to work or wearing animal skin wrapped round your privates in your home or place of work . Dolce and Gabana or Karl Benz must be pleased for they know you are making use of their product

Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying we should discard our rich culture but some practices developed out of ignorance should be left behind

I know Christians are foolish and ignorant whats worse you love the ignorance as the bible preaches against knowledge and enlightenment

But lemme attempt to enlighten you. .
The shrines of Obalufon have given the yorubas brass(near copper) and bronze works of art that marveled the world. The shrines of Sango have given the yorubas the power to manipulate electromagnetism through simple machines like Edun ara. The shrines of Ogun gave the yoruba knowledge of metals

Europeans adopted jesus but turned him into what he was not in the middle-east. Go to Isreal. .he is no son of God

somegirl1:
Where are your statistics from?
You speak poor of quality movies produced by Igbos when yorubawood movies are worse in every sense than mainstream nollywood movies.

Oh I can assure you, my post wasn't to accuse igbos and leave out others. . Its a general Nigerian film problem but I watch all kinds of movies in languages I don't even understand as long as I see subtitles I'm good to go. .and most movies with Igbo producers have the biggest share of this low budget and generally lack of professionalism. ..at least by my observation . That's why you don't even remember the title of the movie you watched yesterday

somegirl1:
Mature and sensible? Says the person who stated that Igbos are too stingy to make good movies. Clearly your interpretation of those words differ from the generally accepted definitions.

Yorubawood is not nollywood. At best it is a sipn-off nollywood that is only popular in the SW.

Nollywood has Igbo origins, having started from the days of Living in Bondage etc.
Popular actors are predominantly Igbo. Executive producers, Producers and directors were predominantly Igbo. This is changing however.
The culture usually depicted in nollywood movies is Igbo.

Growing up I believed that only old people who probably find it hard to comprehend foreign movies patronize Nigerian films, true lovers of television rather watch American television cus they give the quality we demand from TV. How many young adults do you see watching Nkechi and Paul while missing out on the Transformers, Fast and Furious, Underworld, Avengers etc forget the fiction, Nigerian film industry aren't capable of giving us sci-fi and quality supernatural themed movies even if they wanted to

How many filmmakers seek graphic designers? use 3D? All because film producers don't want to spend money But in the face of all this, most igbo producers are fond of the lowest of budgets birthing low quality films


I hope you get it now

Crayola1:
Everyone knows film making in Nigeria's history started long before the 1990s. If someone wants to be thorough you can also included the colonial films that were produced in Nigeria and did feature Nigerians in them.

The Nigerian film industry started in the 1960-1970s.
What we call Nollywood started in the early 1990s.

They are two separate things because until the 90's Nigerian films were not widespread in Nigeria and we're mostly limited to Nigeria.

It wasn't until the 1990s that Nigerian films had widespread spread appeal in Nigeria and subsequently many parts of Africa and the diaspora to a certain degree. Which can largely be attributed to the traders who were mostly Igbo who traveled everywhere. Had it not been for those same traders Nigerian films would have never crosses borders and find audiences in places like Kenya, Tanzania, Jamaica, and co.

Furthermore, the books cited by anyone who has made an effort to write about the spread of Nollywood films will always mention Living in Bondage as the film that started the 2nd wave of Nigerian film making (What is now dubbed Nollywood). The vast majority of documentaries, articlea, books, and etc all list it as being the catalyst for Nigerian film explosion that occurred in the mid 90's and 2000s.

If you can find a source that says otherwise, I would love to see it.

I have no idea why you are so determined to argue that the second wave of film making and ultimately the viability of Nigerian films outside of Nigeria can be largely attributed to Igbo people. Do you always have to be #1 in everything?

I noticed igbos like to downplay the works of Hubert Ogunde and Ola Rotimi especially Ola Rotimi for restriction to theatrical plays. For ur information, his works were widespread, Africans and Europeans were supporting them with patronage, works like "the Gods must be crazy" of how a son killed his father and married his mother, haven't been forgotten till this day. Being theatrical shouldn't be a reason to consider them unfit. . Today in Hollywood, Broadway is a big thing and Many acting talents are a product of on-stage performances. Many of the pioneers used celluloids and gave the world Films like Jayesinmi, Ajani Ogun, Aye, etc which were not restricted to western nigeria. For Freedom by Ola Balogun was showcased at the 12th Moscow International Film Festival in 1981. so why ignore all this and delude yourself that Nollywood started in 1992?

Sure living in bondage was a great leap forward but don't deny the pioneers of the deserving credit and Hijack their spot. What is Time if not to afford us the opportunity to improve on what is already on ground? Kenneth Nnebue and many other igbos were involved in film making as protégé of the more popular personalities who happened to be Yorubas

Nollywood should be a tool to bring Nigerians together but somehow some trouble makers have found a way to breed more resentment


Mr. What we call Nollywood is "Nigerian film industry" simply as that. Living in Bondage was a success, Nigeria probably didn't have such a success throughout the 60s-70s in terms of reaching the masses by availability in stores nationwide but how does that mean Nollywood started in 1992 when the name "Nollywood " didn't exist until the 2000s.. why not say Nollywood started just less than 15 years ago?


This is not about me, but an industry Nigerians (especially southern Nigerians) have built, which btw is nothing compared to Hollywood and Bollywood in terms of quality and popularity of movies... What Nollywood today prides itself on is quantity

Unification of africa? When you cannot unify a single region say West africa

This is a fantasy cause I don't see this happening without a military conquest and political domination of one African state

trapQ:
a fool like you have no right to quote me. on the last day you'll know who the real "peasant" is.

You should have brought forth an intelligent rebuttal not all this insults and worthless threats

somegirl1:
The emboldened sentence is the only part of your post that makes sense.
I never asserted that nollywood in its entirety is the work of Igbos, that would be a lie. Rather, I stated that it is dominated by Igbos, an undeniable fact.
Yorubawood is considered a separate entity, even by yorubas. Your movies are produced by yorubas for yoruba audience.

The rest of your post is "arrant nonsense" in the words of veteran nollywood actor Chinwetalu Agu.

Try to be a little bit more mature and sensible in your responses.

Anyway, my post was a response to a bunch of others not only urs, being the last I had to quote it

I want to know how igbos dominate Nollywood, by popularity of films with Igbo dominated cast and crew or by number of igbo actors and producers. Remember Yoruba movies are part of Nollywood.. in a survey they would be counted as well

Like I said "Yorubawood" is not an official term..That would be like saying Igbo movies are Igbowood, and I'm sure you wouldn't agree to that.
That the hausa movie producers choose to form Kannywood doesn't mean igbos and Yorubas should follow, Hausa movies are afterall not restricted to Nigerian contributions, Hausas from all over west africa are involved.


After all you've said I believe you still get the point which is our collective contributions have made this industry. .
I wouldn't want to derail the thread any further. Thank you

somegirl1:

You've conveniently avoided my question regarding the yoruba word for "trouble".
Even when Igbos borrow/ acquire words where they are domiciled for the sake of integration or because we simply never had such words in our language, we never completely throw ours away.

Btw yorubawood and hausawood are not nollywood. They are spin-offs of nollywood, formed by Igbos, which was and still is predominantly Igbo.

The popularity of yoruba movies stops at the Benin border and Hausa movies are hardly ever watched outside of the north but nollywood movies are appreciated universally and nollywood actors known across the country.

Smh. There's nothing like Yorubawood. . That's not an official term. Yoruba movies are counted as part of Nollywood.

I'm really tired of the denial. It's obvious "Nollywood" refers to the Nigerian film industry, this industry began with people like Hubert Ogunde, Ola Rotimi. .these are the pioneers of film making in this country since the 60s. Living in Bondage, Asiri Nla and others from 1992 were improvements on what was already on ground.

The name "Nollywood" didn't even exist until the 2000s..just in case you are fixated on the name
why then should we be calling Living in Bondage the beginning of Nollywood?


The Igbos, Edos, Efik-Ibibio, Yorubas and even Ghanaians have contributed immensely to the film industry. It's foolishness to say an entire industry like the Film Industry is the work of Igbos. .thereby discrediting Kunle Afolayan, Lancelot Imasuen, Amata family etc Fact is when we speak of quality films we hear non igbo names more often than in low quality films. Igbo filmmakers are known to be stingy with their budget. . Thank goodness for Sensible men like Kunle Afolayan, Charles Novia etc

trapQ:
If you've read the bible before, you'd know better.

JESUS christ "abolished" those laws, and even commanded us to turn the right cheek, when slapped in the left. Jesus christ is our "only" standard in christianity. A christian is someone who is christ like. Jesus christ didn't kill nobody, but rather gave up himself to be killed for our transgressions.

the jews aren't christians, and as such whatever they practice is not my business. They do not believe in jesus christ so they aren't christians.

Jesus had no right to abolish any law. A peasant like him had no authority. The Sahidrin were still in existence so why would jesus abolish any law

neocortex:
Your submission is correct but it doesn't negate the fact that the bible inspired muhamed to
codify those inhuman laws.
If those law weren't in the bible muhamed will have opted for the more humane
arab laws of his time which has nothing to do with stoning adulterers to death.

Well I just might have to agree with you

lawani:
You understate what those empires are. Ogun discovered iron and established a world power in reality. An iron super power. Ire was nothing less than that. Ogun was the first Onire. Where that ancient Ire was located, no one knows. Where Iranje where Obatala ruled was located, no one knows. Those were advanced civilizations that may have covered the whole globe when they prospered. Don't think because they are now represented by tiny villages, it means that is what they have always been.

On your idea about the origin of the Mecca story, what is your opinion about the Lamurudu story and how did it surface among the Yoruba. Lamurudu is a Yoruba rendition of Nimrod as an uneducated Yoruba can only pronounce Nimrod as Lamurudu. The newly arrived Oduduwa obviously introduced himself to people in Ife as a descendant of Nimrod. Nimrod was the most important man in pre Mohammedan middle east history and would have been the ancestor of a pre Mohammedan Meccan royalty. So I believe the story is true.

You should not think that the Awujale manufactured the name Wadai all by himself. Why would you do that?

Ire of Ogun appears to remain today's Ire. the sword Ogun used is still at the spot he kept it

I'm not saying "Lamurudu" isn't the yoruba rendition of Nimrod, due to the accent. Arabs say "Namrud" and it's evident "Namrud" was turned into "Lamurudu" by Yoruba tongue. ..those yorubas who had been influenced by islam
There's more than enough reason to call that mecca hypothesis a nonsense.
1. The legend of Nimrod is from Mesopotamia, Nimrod had no business with Mecca. It would have held more credence if they claim Lamurudu was from Mesopotamia not the Arabian peninsula
2. The Bible and Quran are where they picked up the idea of Lamurudu. .its not native to yorubas
3. According to Genesis 10:10; Nimrod founded Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar. Shinar is what the hebrews called Sumer(alternatively Mesopotamia), Babel is Babylon, Erech is Uruk, but Calneh is unidentified although scholars believe the word "Calneh" simply means "all of them" as in "all of them in the land of Shinar", Hence, Nimrod founded all the cities under Sumerian Influence.
4. The City of Sumer was the first in the middle-east, going back 6000BC. Oduduwa was a 12th/13th century personality. If Nimrod founded Sumer and all its surrounding cities around 6000BC, how can this same Nimrod be the father of Oduduwa who lived in the 12th/13th century
5. Some scholars believe that the name "Nimrod" was originally a cult name for a group of hunter gatherers who decided to settle in Mesopotamia..even Genesis 11:2 isn't far from this. If afterall Nimrod was not one man but a group of hunters, it makes the Lamurudu story into a joke
6. In Sumer, Ninurta was worshiped as the God of War and Hunting, Most Scholars have concluded that the name "Namrud/Nimrod" was the corruption of "Ninurta". Infact the arabs call the city of Calah by the name "Nimrud" . Calah happened to be the center of Ninurta worship.

No, waddai was a real kingdom, Oba Adetona didn't invent it. . I'm saying he like others who claim waddai origin for the Ijebus are ignorant of Waddai kingdom itself. . Many don't even know where waddai was located.
Let's see, Waddai boarded the Kanem-Borno empire, it should be in modern day Chad. many in their urge to cling to Ancient Egypt try to connect it to Egyptian civilization.
The Waddai people spoke a Nilo-Saharan language, how does Ijebu dialect correlate with Maban language of Waddai? . . We all know that Yoruba is the language of the Ijebus, and the surrounding dialects are similar to Ijebu
Ijebuland is much older than Waddai. . The Awujale dynasty alone began in the late 13th century, waddai was founded in 1603 . Pls how can the Awujale say ijebus are from this young state?
Not to forget, waddai was a Caliphate, full of muslims.. Ijebus had no muslims at this time

neocortex:
I don't think you checked the hadith quote otherwise
you won't have claimed Arab have similar traditions.
The reality is the Arabs were polytheist before the
advent of muhamed and they make the rules for their
gods not the other way around, but unfortunately
things took a sad turn with the attach by force
mentality of the prophet which made him adopt
ans sanction every absurd and barbaric jewish/christian laws just
to belong to the Abrahamic fold.

Yes arabs were polytheist so were the hebrews prior to the fall of Babylon. .and return of the jews to their homeland. Read the bible well, Abraham was a polytheist, so was Moses and all hebrews until around 500BC at the time of Babylon's fall to Persia. . Under the Persian King Cyrus, the hebrews were sent back home.
They always knew of other Gods and even venerated them sometimes, The difference is that they were devoted to One of the many Elohim (Gods) they believed in.. pls read Deuteronomy 32:8-9 Israel is the portion allocated to Yahweh (or El shaddai) by the Most High, Other nations belong to other Elohim (Gods). And Hebrews being racist developed this idea that they were special, superior and so was their Patron God. .. hence what scholars call "Yahwism"

In the Canaanite traditional beliefs(of which Israel bought into, they having developed into Canaanites themselves) El Elyon is the Most High. .Infact that's what the word "El Elyon" means. After The most high comes others like Baal Hadad, El Shaddai, Asherah etc

Remember "you shall have no other God besides me"?
And "Let us make man in our own image"?

Why do you think Isreal is often referred to as the chosen nation? Chosen of who? Just El shaddai not the Most high. Do you think the Most high, the true creator will be so partial and discriminate?


Psalms 82:1 Yahweh is just one out of many Gods
Verse 6 goes further to say "ye are Gods, and all are children of the Most high.

At the time when they returned home, they began creating a new religion not quite like the one their father's practiced - the birth of Judaism

Rilwayne001:
loool

What's funny? is that not how ur masters - the arabs behave

Onijagidijagan:
Since d birth of d first albino in yorubaland, Oyinbo has been used to desicribe them. you are foolish if u claim oyinbo/oyibo and Akata are igbo words for any reason.

Akata is a wild cat and Olongbo is d domestic cat.
your claims are not geniune.

it has direct meaning in our language for gosh sake.
yorubas documents their words way better than igbo does.

1.That's why ur people claims Lagos, Ibadan and Akure are Igboland. which brought all d problems u r facing today.
2. Also claiming ikweres, Ijaw, Itsekiris are all igbo because of crude oil

Claiming everything, you igbos are funny thiefs. This words are not yours.

Since when did Oyinbo become the word for albino? What happened to "afin" ?

bigfrancis21:
That was a mistake. I meant 'akamu' for pap in Igbo, and I have corrected my post.

Small in Igbo has several words: obele, nwobele, nwantinti, nwantii, nwantakili, mpe etc. Love Nwantinti is from a popular Igbo long song, Love Nwantinti, of old (80s or so) that I grew up hearing as a child: 'Love Nwantinti Love Nwantinti, Ije mu na love bu na o fodulu nwantinti'.

'tini tini' could also mean small in Yoruba but 'LOve nwantinti' proper as a phrase is of Igbo origin. 'Love wan tin tin' in Yoruba usage is only of usage after the phrase became popular in Nigerian usage. The Igbo evidence is even apparent in the nwa/wan in 'love wan tin tin'. Obodo oyibo is a common Igbo phrase commonly used in Nigerian lingo or pidgin English.

Well, it's obvious "love wan tin tin" comes from the proper igbo words you've given. As to yoruba usage. . I've never seen a yoruba sing that

All languages in nigeria contribute some words to pidgin english it's no cause for argument

Phut:
You are guilty of what you accuse Igbo's. It seems once a word from any of the native languages becomes part of mainstream pidgin, you turn and claim it to be Yoruba.
Kaura5000 and VodlerGrimsbane have already schooled you on Wahala being a Hausa word.

Another is Oga/Ogaranya which a 100 % Igbo word and not Yoruba. Oga/Ogaranya = Rich man/Boss in Igbo. Go ask your elders the Yoruba word for Boss because it sure ain't Oga


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig97XJv8iRQ?t=1s

BTW, I just saw "Mama" on your list. You must be a joker

Oga from the same root of "Iga" meaning fortress or palace. .. Oga would be a strong man

bigfrancis21:
Corn in Igbo language is 'oka'. Isn't corn in Yoruba supposed to be 'agbado' or something? Why are you suddenly ignoring the central yoruba words for these items, which are supposed to be the standard Yoruba words for those items, and claiming the Igbo words as yours?

Please, akamu is not a Yoruba word. Stop this language theft. Agidi also is not Yoruba. In Igboland, there are 2 different types of Agidi, the white agidi and the reddish type called Agidi Jollof. I never liked Agidi for one day but I grew up hearing my grandmothers refer to it as only Agidi. Igbos have just one word for Agidi and Akamu, Yorubas have multiple of them indicating a borrowing of these words into the language. Just as they borrowed wahala from Arabic. Languages often borrow from one another and your people may have borrowed the word from the popular Nigerian usage which comes from Igbo.

Do not let me school you on the seniority of the Igbo civilization over the Yoruba civilization. Because if I am ready, it will take up the entire next 3 pages of this thread.

Yorubas cannot even provide proof that these words are theirs. Most popular soups and food in Nigeria today are all of Igbo origin: Ogbono, Egwusi, Okwuru, Ora, Okazi, Utazi etc.

Or maybe you'll tell me that 'love wan tin tin' (from love nwa nti nti in Igbo) in some Yorubas songs nowadays is Yoruba too?

Oka is also used in yoruba. I've never heard Agidi used as pap in yoruba. agidi is force(ful) or tough

Ehn, Tintin means small in yoruba. . Tinrin is slim so don't conclude just yet

kaura5000:
Some yoruba words borrowed from hausa
Wahala trouble hardship
Laifi fault
Massalaci mosque
Rakumi camel
Gabas east
Kudu or gusu south
Alafia or lafia peace
Dede or daidai equally and many more

I've never heard laifi, gabas or daidai used in yoruba. "bebe lo" is many more, "Ila oorun" is east

VoslerGrimsbane:
Arabic-basl hausa Albasa Yoruba Alubosa


Arabic-naf hausa Amfani Yoruba Anfani


Arabic fatil hausa fitila Yoruba fitila

Arabic sir hausa asiri Yoruba asiri




Scholes0 care to elaborate?

I just don't believe "Asiri" as yoruba say it came from another language.

VoslerGrimsbane:
Akamu is also used in Hausa as well. Though I am clueless as to its origins. I know it's definitely not ours, it's not our food.

I thought it's called koko in hausa

Drchristian:
you are crazy, Albasa is an Arabic word
Wahala is not hausa word but Arabic with yoruba's intonation
Oyibo is not igbo word.
you need a prove? ask an hausa man. all wot u ibos wrote on internet are all false.

Whether it's arabic or not. . Hausa speakers or maybe Songhai introduced the word to Yoruba traders

There's no shame in borrowing some words from other languages, it infact proves how big your contact with the world is

bigfrancis21:
This debate has been had on nairaland before and have provided the link below:

Oyibo has always been the word for white man used by the Igbos since, at least, the 17th century. And no, the Igbos did not borrow it from the Yorubas. It is often said that the word "oyibo" itself was a nickname given to Europeans by Igbo people since they found it difficult to pronounce "onye Igbo" and instead said "oyi ibo" when referring to Igbos. The earliest record of the Igbo usage of the word can be found in Olaudah Equiano's book where he mentioned that his people referred to 'red-skinned' men as 'oyeeboe'. Note, this was at a time when there was barely any contact between the Igbos on the east and Yorubas on the west and both areas were separated by the Bini kingdom located in between. Also, a christian missionary in old Aboh kingdom, an Igbo-speaking kingdom in modern-day Delta Igbo, wrote of his experienced and noted that the people often referred to him as 'oeboe'. This published evidence proves that the Igbos have been using 'Oyibo' since the last 300 years.

On the other hand, there is no evidence that Oyibo is of Yoruba origin. Being sister languages, Igbo and Yoruba share so many similar words in common such as nti/eti for ear, mmili/omi for water, okwute/okuta for stone/rock etc. Proper, Oyinbo can be said to be the Yoruba way of pronunciation and 'Oyibo' the Igbo word for the same thing. 'Peeled skin' meaning whatever is not a definitive basis for your conclusion.

Even more evidencing is the fact that across several tribes in southern Nigeria, the word for a European person is 'Oyibo' except only in Yoruba land where it is 'Oyinbo'. The Igalas who are said to have a Yoruboid language even use 'Oyibo' and not 'Oyinbo'.

At best, it can be said that Oyibo is Igbo pronunciation, Oyinbo is Yoruba pronunciation. Just as Igbos have 'gini' and Yorubas have 'kini'.

No lies, no bigotry

Probably the smartest thing you've posted on nairaland.

lawani:
Our own family retreated into the Ekiti hills, then came back to nationalise as Ijeshas under the Owa Obokun. I am descended from the ancient Ajeros and one of my ancestors was an Ogun incarnate. Many people retreated and held on to ancient identities like Ara, Ijero, Ire, Ogotun and etc. Those are names of very ancient empires. There was an ancient Oduduwa who was a woman, the orisa of love, in the custody of the Awori. She was wife to Obatala, though Obatala has also been portrayed as a woman in Ifa verses. The second Oduduwa is the Meccan who is the progenitor of majority of the most prominent Obas. Awujale is a son of Oduduwa through a woman but has his own distinct lineage which predates the Meccan Oduduwa by I think 5 monarchs. The people from Ijebu are descended from Ife but not an Ile Ife but an Ode Ife. Their Oba is patrilineally descended from Wadai while also descended from Oduduwa the Meccan through a woman who was Oduduwa's daughter. Ditto for the Olowu. Wadai is important because that was what was passed on. Too late to change the history.

I see, when you said ancient empires my mind went far from this. You are right some kingdoms established during Oduduwa's time(and later) were named after old settlements (I wouldn't call them empires) ie. Owo, Oye, Ejigbo, Iwo, Ara (Aramoko is named after it)
I wouldn't say They retreated from Oduduwa, most of them were Princes( so is claimed)

Again with this mecca hypothesis? Have you ever wondered why certain people from Oyo with Islamic influence were the ones that propagated this? Why don't Ife folks speak of this?

No, According to all available reads Awujale - that is Obanta is a direct son of Oduduwa. . His Ijebu links comes from his mother Gborowo. Olowu is the only grandson from a daughter(Oduduwa's first child)... I know there are many books copying from Samuel Johnson claiming Alaketu, and some others as sons of daughters but those are wrong

How many Typical ijebu folks know what Waddai is? not to mention where in the world it is. If not for the exposure of Oba Adetona

plappville:
And Jesus ?? His disciples??

And what about them? Were they not jews? If they found themselves in the position David, Moses found themselves what's to say jesus or at least his disciples wouldn't have killed?

neocortex:
The truth be told, if the stoning of alleged adulterers was not sanctioned
by the the bible , prophet muhamed won't have a source to copy from,
so the bible is guilty by initiation.

I don't think so, Arabs have had very similar traditions to the Hebrews, it might not take the bible for Mohammad to include all those nonsense in islam

trapQ:
says the atheist. you should just stick with the "there's no God" thing. You shouldn't say what you don't know. whenever you hear "Deuteronomy", what comes to your mind first??

Mind you, I'm not defending, God can defend himself. I'm only stating an obvious fact.

Judaism comes to mind first cus the jews wrote the book