₦airaland Forum

Pdizzle:
I, though being a christian, have learnt a lot from the numerous intelligent atheists here trying to debunk the theism theory logically. I for one think they argue with very good points, but let's look in the direction of the African Traditional Religion. This is a religion where worshippers tends to see and feel the effectiveness of the African voodoo on a practical basis.
These traditionalist not only rely on faith as in the case of Christianity.
There are likewise situation in the christendom too, in the case of prophecies, miracles e.t.c even though some are proven to be hoax. But we have some people with one-on-one experiences.
My questions are; What is the stance of you atheists on the African Traditional Religion? These are proofs of supernatural powers.
Won't it be unfair if you accept the existence of these dieties and deny the existence of Jehovah?
Or are you intelligent folks saying 'powers that be' don't exist at all?
What are your views on witches, sorcerers, magicians etc.

Faith in African traditions

omusiliyu:
The south west people are educated and follow the holy books.

Marriage first before sex is their doctrine

Nonsense. It has almost nothing to do with any smelly "holy books"
It's a general yoruba tradition

iconize:
Both Nigerian and non-Nigerian Fulanis are generally not light-skinned.

Some people take Shuwa Arabs to be Fulanis.

The only shuwa arab I've seen is dark skinned

Guys I have a question im a young man from america and my name is Omoyemi which means child fits me,but i want to change my name for two reasons first my father gave me the name and he had no part in my upbringing, and two that name isnt a real name,what i mean is it has to do with my dads wants, I want a true name that means something about me.IM 18,in no way shape or form am i trying to disrespect my culture and i am not ashamed of my name.by true name i mean a name that has a meaning like hakeem means wise not my father was wise,do you understand?

From America

TellingItAsItIs:
Their names are more similar to igbo than itshekiri names are to yoruba.
Most bear conc. igbo names eg chibuike amaechi while the rest modify their names to make it seem less igbo eg onyesom nwike=nyesom wike,nwanodo=wanodo,somto=tonto,nwaneri=waneri etc.
Your The men wear ijaw attires and promote the culture of others because they failed to carve a unique culture for themselves.if they had their own cultural attires and masquerades,they wouldnt need to copy that of the ijaws.
its very shameful.

Why would you say "modify"? Is dialectical difference not a chance?

gistwivkome:
I got the shock of my life today when I went to pay for a house and was told by the agent that the landlord would not accept me as a tenant because I am not "Igbo".
I even told d guy that I'm not igbo but isoko, a tribe in Delta state. He looked at me like "what's d difference?"
I can't believe that in 2015 people still reason this way.
To think that I've spent most of my life in Yoruba land and Yoruba is the only Nigerian language I speak and I am still regarded as a stranger in my country.
What even baffles me most is that there are Indians living in that same house and I was denied cos I'm not frm a certain part of Nigeria even though I was ready to pay the rent n other fees; which were already on the high side.
I'm really embarrassed that we still have such narrow minded and ignorant people in this country. Ajyway, it's d man's loss cos i would av been one of d best tenants he ever and would ever have. *rolls eyes*

You've been on nairaland with this moniker since 2014 but you had to make this your first post? Why? What's your other moniker(s)?

Ihuomadinihu:
Which one is makes sense in Yoruba and fulbe? Topic is Western blacks with Igbo names. Let the thread be for what was original created for,biko zi nu.

Ok

bronzegoddess:
Kamyechukwuoyinye...kanye for short.


Kamyekene ...kanye for short.

The name "kanye" makes sense in Yoruba and I hear it has a meaning in fulbe too

ezeagu:
[size=18pt]Jhene Efuru Aiko[/size]

Jhene Aiko is a musician from America and was given 'Efuru' as a middle name (which she uses on her official twitter handle) from Flora Nwapa's novel.

https://s1.postimg.org/f3c2smfan/jhene_aiko_at_calvin_klein_jeans_celebration_lau.jpg

I love Her music, Btw what does it mean? Anything to do with the clouds?


See wikipedia

Jhené Aiko was born and raised in Los Angeles, California, the daughter of Christina Yamamoto and Dr. Karamo Chilombo (né Gregory Wycliff Barnes), a pediatrician.[7] Her older sisters Miyoko and Jamila were in the R&B group Gyrl, and toured with Immature, who were signed to MCA and Silas Records. Aiko is of African American, Japanese, Spanish, Dominican, German Jewish, French, and Native American descent.

In September 2014, Aiko revealed she was in a relationship with New York City-based record producer Oladipo "Dot da Genius" Omishore

Apparently her father being mostly African American must have given her the name. "Chilombo" her last name, is Igbo right?

She was born to a mother of Japanese, Spanish and Afro-Dominican descent named Christina Yamamoto and a father of African American, Jewish and Native American descent named Karamo Chilombo.

The singer showed off her mixed race by tweeting in Yoruba Language, one of the major tribes in Nigeria. She tweeted “Kuroni’waju mi” which means, “Leave my front/face”, in English.

http://www.36ng.com.ng/2014/06/19/jhene-aiko-flaunts-african-roots-tweeting-yoruba/

I always felt there was something about her

Funjosh has given you the best advice op

StarFlux:
From what I can tell, the kun in ekun is "kùn" and the make up (to paint) is "kun" while to fill is "kún".

Interestingly enough, the leopard is a rather magnificent creature, and its dots are somewhat paint-like. To paint something is similar to filling it with color.

You are 100% correct my brother.

Rope is also "Okun" ..yoruba language ehn

Very foolish op. 2023 that is still far with politicians playing friends and foes at every turn?

Rather than look for development some fools are after public office, so what happens when Rochas becomes president and doesn't give a dime about the Igbos? Obasanjo is a good example

Western mentality. . Before you know it, the dog starts going to places it shouldn't be

Honesty007:
God didn't create us evil ok,but when men slept, the enemy came and sowed Tares among the wheat.
Christ said ''Every tree that is not planted by my heavenly father shall be uprooted ok.
Idolatry is an evil tree in the human race, manifested in our traditional cultural background,heritages.This is what i have exposed according to God's word.
Why r u fighting against the truth? Eh?
What r u going to gain when the god of this world ''satan '' has blinded ur eyes that u should not see the light of the truth.
U better repent and claim back redemption n deliverance in Jesus christ.
Stop galivanting.
Also the scripture says'l the prince of this world- satan cometh and findeth nothing in me.so if u r a xtian and their r traces of satanic bondages from ur tribe, culture, or background,u think he would let u go?
U have to uproot this trees .
U blasphemed the name of christ by saying foolish,i pity u.

''NEVER U TRY THAT WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT'' iaam warning u if u don't want to be eternally doomed without remedy

I see another person that christianity has turned mad

Please spread this photo

yemmynoni:
yes oooo, more reason Nigeria can't break

Nonsense, akpororo is yoruba and he married a yoruba. .so how this ur talk concern this thread?

See Christians trying to paint the acclaimed greatest African king as a bad man


If at all we should believe that exodus story. The possible time of Moses(that is if he ever existed) is about 300 years before the reign of Rameses

absoluteSuccess:
@macof, brilliant.

You need observe that longevity is part of greeting and goodtime wishes among the Yoruba to this day, as in,

Kade pe lori, ki bata pe lese keshin oba o jeko pe', and eepe funwa, ee kowa je pe' meaning long may the king reign.

We also says 'ate pe lao te le yi pe'. Long shall we tred on this land.

Now look at this Yoruba word 'erupe~ile': sand, but the phrase means 'ashes of ancient world'.

ile is Yoruba for land, world or earth. It shares something in common with sticker or adhesive or gum.

The ancient Yoruba may be alluding to the force of gravity that gum us to the earth surface, as in, the earth is gum-gum planet.

Okun as strength is as used in 'a maa se bieni ti 'o l'okun n'nu' that is, he would be (sluggish) as one without inner strength.

Then the proverb, okun inu lafi ngbe tita. We depend on strength within to lift up (strong object) without.

I know "kun" has to do with strength but I'm using tones and pronunciations here, the "kun" there is the same with "kun" in "Ekun".. and " Okunrin" : man, but really meaning " strong metal "(bone: which is made of calcium, a metal)... but that " kun" isn't the same tone with "kun". in " Okun" the greeting.. one is "do" the other is "mi". " kun" here is the same with. "o ti kun" : it is filled.
"kun" for strength is also similar to "kin". for bravery like we have it in Kinniun and Akin

Krishna wasn't born of a virgin, the points is that no man was involved with his mother for his conception

Radoillo:
Exactly what I would have said. Clearly the blood of Mallam Alimi has long since been diluted to insignificance. That man up there is as Yoruba as they come.

This is the truth but they don't see themselves that way. You cannot force a man to take up an identity
He even dropped his Yoruba name "kolapo" ..such a beautiful name

lawani:
I can allign with the view that orisas were irunmale but there is no orisa being worshipped that was not incarnated. So an irunmale must incarnate to become an orisa. I agree that Olodumare is also an irunmale but in thesame way that the US President is a US citizen. This is the failing of Abrahamic religions, they acknowledge the existence of jinns, angels but do not realize that their rulership will be of their kind. Olodumare is more of a title than a personal name. Thanks.

Yes we can say that Irunmole incarnate as orisa. . I agree
Olodumare is no title sir, it's a personal name given by our ancestors to this spirit force. A pity I don't know what it means

Titles will not be that complicated of a word, don't you think? Aseda is a title meaning Creator, or better "maker of creatures"

lawani:
I can allign with the view that orisas were irunmale but there is no orisa being worshipped that was not incarnated. So an irunmale must incarnate to become an orisa. I agree that Olodumare is also an irunmale but in thesame way that the US President is a US citizen. This is the failing of Abrahamic religions, they acknowledge the existence of jinns, angels but do not realize that their rulership will be of their kind. Olodumare is more of a title than a personal name. Thanks.

Yes we can say that Irunmole incarnate as orisa. . I agree
Olodumare is no title sir, it's a personal name given by our ancestors to this spirit force. A pity I don't know what it means

Interesting, but if "E pele" really refers to "living long on the land" at what possible point and with wat factors did it change from "e pe ni'le"?


Although the "kun" in "Ekun" for Leopard doesn't sound the same with "kun" in "Okun" I believe they are linked but not the same as you are pointing out. . Cus I guess your translation of "Okun" as strength comes from "Ekun"

I agree with "fulfillment" . It is the same tone with "kun" as in "to fill"

"EKUN" LIKE "kun" as women say when they apply makeup "mo fe kun s'oju" but what this has to do with strength I don't know yet. "kun" here seems more like "to perch" or "to apply"(make up on the face)


I have a different idea of the etymology of "e pele" but I'm not certain ...
We have iwapele - character of calm, being of a sound and balanced mind. See when someone is not calm due to a deed against him/her, people say "e pele" which I would say means " call on to calmness" from "pe ele" but like I said I'm not certain cus I'm not even sure if "ele" is a real word

SirWere:
Christ!! You missed the point again. What I was trying to bring out is that christians should reform the church.
And besides, your reply is disturbing. "Is the church a gathering of saints" No, but we were called christians because the apostle of then imitated jesus becoming little christs. Don't let us try to hide the truth. The Church is something else. So I had doubts, and that makes me a "fake" christian. I laugh in disbelief. "Take a hike?" With all due respect, you sir are NOT god. Jeez!

And he'll keep missing the point

Ihuomadinihu:
Lolz. Not like being lightskin is an achievement but people are so fixated on igbo skin tones.

what is this peculiar igbo skin tones

blazetitov:
who still listens or take serious the delusional FFK or OFK? Someone that keeps changing his name and talking from both sides of his mouth all the time depending on where the honey is.

Apparently you still have headaches over him. You wouldn't have taken ur time to comment on this thread if you were being sincere to yourself

What's the movement towards bringing Okun folks to the SW?

seunt4ut:
Yes Awo foresee almost everything happening today. I remember sometimes ago;My mom was telling us that Awo warned the Yo-ruba not to follow them engage in crude oil business 'Epo Robi' that it's not profitable and doesn't have happy ending; he knew what our north-er-ner plans were.



Since we don't want this thread to link out this is what we must avoid. don't use word of Bia--f-ra . Yor-u'ba respectively ,because whenever i type Bia-fra in the search column it brings all the list of threads where those words have been used.

Too funny
What is here to hide?

fratermathy:
Speak for yourself o

Most Yorubas dont share the same sentiment! This thing is that most Yorubas believe that Okuns and Igbominas should be given appointments and other political incentives based on their affiliations with North Central Region. However, the North Central majority believe that Okuns and Igbominas should get incentives from their South West brothers. How then will they resolve this dilemma?

Furthermore, Okun and Igbomina Yoruba is seen by the typical Awori man, for example, as "impure" due to its influences from Hausa, Nupe, Igara, Tiv and the Islamic Religion. Hence, whenever they speak their own version of Yoruba, others tend to circle them out as being inferior in standard Yoruba communicative competence. This is another dilemma.

While it is good that some of you are embracing your Okun and Igbomina brothers, the lot have to do better to embrace them. They can only look up to the South West! The Northern folks will never allow an Okun or Igbomina man to "collect" what they see as theirs!

Why would an Awori consider the Okun impure? If it's cus of islam dont Awori have of a large muslim population? Infact in Ebutemetta and Lagos island there are more mosques than churches and most shrines are not in easily accessible places. .hence you find Awori people turning any t-junction to Esu's altar.
Btw Okun are not as influenced by all those people as you think, the lack much ability to communicate in Yoruba except their dialect but it's not as if they are adopting hausa.

Igbomina? ? Don't even say it again. The Igbomina paramount ruler remains an Oba Alade as the 2nd son of Oduduwa. And they hold the largest population in Kwara state. . Because of them people proudly count Kwara as a Yoruba state

fratermathy:
Use Issele-Uku instead. It's the closest town to them. Even Ogwashi-Uku is better than Asaba. However, they are all in Asaba axis like you pointed out.
Those people are really on a long thing though! Thank God that the current government has given some of their people some appointments!.

@Classicool:
I have created a thread that hit frontpage about the Olukunmis earlier this year. This people migrated from current Ondo State in the past to Delta and they are completely surrounded by Igbos. Although most of them still maintain their Olukunmi status and language, lots have joined the Igbo bandwagon entirely. A friend of mine from this place bears Temidayo Nwabueze as his name. The Temidayo is a relic of his Yoruba ancestry whilst the Nwabueze is a product of current Igbo acculturation. However, even in the midst of this, the Olukunmis have tried to make sure they are seen as Yorubas. Their king bears Ayo as his name and in his palace, only Yoruba is spoken! However, in the town itself, it is mainly the older generation that speak Yoruba now! The younger ones have largely been acculturated. I just pray Olukunmi dialect of Yoruba doesn't become extinct in the nearest future! Yoruba Socio-Political groups need to come in and support the plight of the people and enhance their cultural renaissance.

They bear yorubic names up and down but sociopolitically or as a matter of association they don't see themselves as Yorubas. They are infact warming up to igbos more.
I've met the Oloza, a very cool man doesn't talk much. .and he speaks standard yoruba
Unless an effort from yorubas is made to call on the olukumi, forget it cus many are already losing their yorubaness

Typically of Christians. In my childhood this was what pastors made us believe that our heritage is evil, our history is full of satanic manipulation, our father's houses have satanic curses etc

One major thing that made me leave that foolish religion.

Op if the Hebrew culture means more to you than ur father's culture than its left to ur soul. . U have to explain to ur creator why you hate what you were created as. You have given urself up to mental slavery and u might not believe it but it as spiritual consequences

lawani:
Olodumare is the Supreme being. Orisa is orisa, irunmale is irunmale. Egun is Egun. They are not God and Yoruba never saw them as God. We bow down to worship Kings, parents and etc too. Are they then God? Please don't be confused. Orisa were people who distinguished themselves. Irunmales are like fairies. So how are they God? Egun are the ancestors. I am not against polytheism just stating how things were in the past.

Correct supreme being. .leave it at that. Not Taking it a step forward to "only" I hope you understand my point

Irunmole are not like fairies o they are spirit forces. ..nd Olodumare is one of them. . The greatest of them. I used to think Irunmoles were Olodumare in a singularity until a babalawo corrected me. Iwin are like fairies


Gods are what is worshipped or venerated, having a cult following. It's that simple.

Orisa are more than just people who distinguished themselves but anthropomorphized aspects of certain irunmale using historical events from the lives and times of those those who had close relationship with the Irunmole