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delishpot:
My guy the juju did not talk na Haba! As an African man, you should know he went to consult. When someone says "I went to ask or enquire" it means he went to consult. Na him and another dibia dey converse. My Mom told me it happened. she even showed me the place the water stayed. Its kind of a family story too. Passed from generation to generation. BTW, if you want me to think Orunmila exists, why cant you also believe that another diety can exist and choose a particular family/ tribe to worship it in exchange for prosperity and long life?

Oga forget deity for now, it's the message am preaching to you not the messenger
Jst as you have shown preference for the message of Jesus rather than his acclaimed divinity

Anyway as u be igbo, what about Amadioha, Ikenga?

delishpot:
Does he have any rules and regulations apart from the obvious natural laws that guides humans and nature? Jesus is not a god or God, he never claimed to be he never asked to be served. He always said the glory or decesion making was not his to make but that of the one who sent him.
Anyhow, I avoid anything that will say dont eat oil, dont wear red, avoid your pregnant wife, avoid your menstruating daughter, dont whisper, dont sing at night, avoid crayfish, dont look up, dont sit to shit or stand to pee etc etc. I've got 2 words for such gods.......... Hell No
ok 2 more words and am done..Not Me..........ok two last words for such gods and I aint gonna say anything more Fug off.
My Mom told me once about a juju that appeared in my great grand pas house once. It appeared like a stream, they woke up one morning and saw a small pond at the front of their house. He went to enquire and was told the juju has chosen him for blessing and favour if he will allow it stay and be served by my great grand pa and his family. My great grand pa( who wasnt a christian by the way) said ok, what does it require to serve it, the silly demon said just a virgin male and female. He asked is it a virgin goat or dog or cow? The silly thing said ohhh, a virgin human boy and girl.
my great grand said look here, I give you tonight, if you do not leave my compound, we will use you as compound refuse dump site. The woke up the next morning and it was gone. Some of these ish are more wicked than the one we call satan.

you should learn about the African Spirituality. ..I mentioned Orunmila try doing the needful
And don't make quick conclusions

As to ur story, that never happened. Talking juju? do you even know what juju is? I don laugh tire

absoluteSuccess:
You are the only Yoruba with this historical/spiritual duality of Oduduwa's origin. The idea is your baby. No need anchor it on the elders as they may be clueless about it. Where do you think the 'historical Oduduwa' came from?

Am not the only one. Where do you think I got the idea from? An Igbo
I've met a babalawo who talked about Oduduwa in ways that couldn't relate to a King of the 12th/13th century...igba iwa that Oduduwa brought to create the world, would a human being create the world that predated him? priests symbolically use it and no woman can see it
I think it is Odu Osa meji that talked about the marriage between Odu and Orunmila which gave all coming Babalawos the power of the Igba Iwa

What I don't know is the connection between Odu and Oduduwa. ..some babas are never clear

Without any solid evidence I think Oduduwa came from Igala/Okun area

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/whatson/london-naked-bike-ride-article-3067.html

London naked cyclists. ..rubbish culture and some bastard slaves like Atlantian are insulting the Bini beautiful culture

Atlantian:
Europe ? Been there and got the best of education that you mentally slow-and-slaved lower humanoid species with magnified right brain lobes can ever wish for.

you really got no education at all for you to spew such nonsense against african cultur
You are nothing but a white man's monkey
I am free - mind, body and soul but u are caged mentally

delishpot:
Hahaha, clap for ya self. And you think I do not condemn them too? I do not go to church sir, neither do I go to a mosque. I condemn modern day christianity, I am not one of them.

Jesus is not God. You can only gain salvation, light and knowledge from him. Even many so called jujus are dieties imported from other places. Do you think jujus are not also imported? Truth be told, if the whole world lived a 90% as Jesus preached the world will be a paradise.

Well good for you. Religion sucks anyway
But why jesus? Have you ever considered the teachings of orunmila?

scholes0:
Please, What are you saying?
I dont get your point..... According to some Yoruba Oral traditions, Oduduwa came from the Sky.
read up.

What I am saying is the descending from heaven bit is spiritual not about the King
Like other Orisas, it's left for you to identify the historic and spiritual

scholes0:
Edo/Bini people should stop trying to twist history......
You current royal lineage is from Yorubaland (Ile-Ife to be precise)
and before that, you say you were ruled by Ogisos (Sky Kings), which is eerily similar to the Yoruba story of Oduduwa descending from the heavens...... Just accept the truth.

have you heard any yoruba elder tell you Oduduwa descended from heaven? Wtf has "descending from heaven" got to do with a living breathing man? Dats spiritual stuff

teeowl:
Ijebu was part of the newer Oyo Kingdom (after the Old one was burned down)... Ijebu has always been a youruba dialect... as for Itsekiri, it is not a yoruba dialect.

Ijebu would disagree with you there as it their claim that They were always independent
Btw Oyo kingdom was not burnt down. ..the capital was, the kingdom survived but lost its imperial powers on others

Itsekiri surely is a Yoruba dialect

When you have real evidence of Egyptian origin for the yorubas call me

You don't expect me to insult my ancestors by calling them what they were not

ROSSIKE:
You are a liar. You've not read that book. You think we're kids here?I thought you said you'd read his book? You would know the answers to those questions if you had because he reveals them. Liar. Just save your lies for some other gullible fellows. Where is your research work? Where are your findings? You interviewed kings, queens, priests and initiates, and kept your findings in your pocket? Publish your data or STFU. So far all we have from you is loud bombast and posturing. Show us your work plus names, sources, and methodology or get lost. In fact don't bother cos they'll definitely be lies too.

;Dyou really have bad comprehension skills
Pls read my words again and don't jump to quick conclusion
Too hilarious next time try asking for clarification

I am not an author, my father learnt history orally, I have learnt history mostly in the same manner as well, that I can trace my ancestral lineage back 6 generations(can you? ), that I know how my great Patriarch got to our present home is by Listening to the right people and knowing what makes them the right people(is Olumide - an uninitiated - the right person? ) Others should do same and stop waiting for spoon feeding
I know how books from questionable authors have misled me in the past

I am not a jobless unemployed fellow who would jump to writing what he knows nothing about for money. Why would you even think everyone is interested in writing books?
It's obvious your sources fall in that category
I mean who says Obatala is a river God and stil claims authority on Yoruba origins?

tannytex:
ode shey ori e oti ti kpe ni they r nt playin victim they want independence. Simple grammar u cannot read.

Na wa o. . What then do u call them after screaming others hate them when in truth we all hate ourselves

ROSSIKE:
Excerpts from leading works on the Yoruba - Egypt connection:

Read:

"The Religion of the Yorubas" by J. Olumide Lucas
"Religion of Ancient Egypt" by A. H. Sayce
"The Opening Up of Africa" by H. H. Johnston





The gradations of status recognized by the Yoruba as existing between their deities are as follows:

1. The Supreme Deity - Olorun.

2. The Major Orisas, of whom Esu and Ifa are the most important.

3. The Deified Spirits of Ancestors and other Spirits, of whom Oro, Eluku, Agemo and Egungun are the most important.

4. The Minor Orisas.


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Olorun <-> Horu
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Over and above all the other deities classified above and excelling them in power, honor and majesty is the Supreme Deity known as OLORUN. He is credited with omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence.

Olorun (pronounced Or-lor-roon) may be divided into two parts, viz., Ol'-orun. The word Orun means "sky," and the syllable Ol is only a reduplication of the initial letter of orun together with the letter "l" generally used to denote ownership or agency.

The word Olorun therefore means "Lord of the sky or of the heavens."

Now the Egyptian word for "sky" or "heavens" is Horu. Before the establishment of the Egyptian dynasties and during the early part of the dynastic period, the name Horu was applied to the Sun-god (the eye of Horu) who was afterwards known as the elder Horus (Horu).

The changes which the word underwent in Egypt are clearly illustrated in the Yoruba language. From Horu is derived the word Oru(n) - the aspirate is elided and the final vowel nasalized -, "sky" or "heavens".

When the word was applied to the sun-god the following words were derived from it:

Oru(n) -> The Sun
Oru -> Heat, originally applied to the heat of the sun, and afterwards to heat in general.


It will be remembered that after the establishment of the Old Kingdom the faith of Osiris spread from Abydos in the Delta to other parts of Egypt, and was at one time universal in Egypt. Horu the sun-god was displaced by Horu (Horus) the Younger, son of Osiris. Later on Osiris, who was originally the god of the dead, was translated to the sky. Osiris became "the Lord of the Sky".

[A] The Yoruba beliefs of Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence may be traced to elements in the Osirian faith.

Olorun is Eleda "Creator"; so also was Osiris.

Olorun is the impartial Judge; men have to give an account of their doings in His judgment hall; men are commended to Him only by uprightness and goodness. All these are relics from the features connected with the Osirian judgment hall.

The importance of the god Thoth in connection with the judgment has its echo in the words O-ti-to, "truth" and e-to, "uprightness" or "justice" derived from his name.

[B] The ideas of the Yorubas about heaven are identical in many respects with those held by the worshippers of Osiris. For example, the Yorubas usually say Ole ti aiye ko gba, ti orun ko, "An idle man the world refuses a place and heaven also rejects." Compare this with the statement that the "Osirian heaven had no place for the idle and inactive."

[C] One of the titles of Osiris is "Lord of Zaddu," Zaddu being regarded as the place of the dead. The very word Zaddu in its modified form of Sadu is in use in Yoruba land, and it indicates the abode of the dead.

[D] One of the great objects of terror in early Yoruba land is what is known as Ohun Didu. Even a courageous animal like the lion is said to dread its approach.

Ohun Didu means "something which pertains to Didu," that is the Didu (or the black wooden image) of Osiris. Idols painted black, resembling the Didu of Osiris exist in Yoruba land.

[E] Another name for the abode of the dead where Osiris ruled was Alu. Here was the abode of the Osirified Bull. The Yoruba word for "bull" is malu, which is a contraction of omo-alu, a native of Alu (literally, a child of Alu). The word malu therefore contains an unmistakable reference to the worship of the Osirified Bull (osiris-apis) at Alu.

[F] One of the titles borne by Olorun is Olodumare. The meaning of the component parts are as follows: Ol'odu-ma-re.

The word Odu means "a chief", "an exalted personage". Olodu is its intensive form, indicating completeness.

Ma-re menas "I shall go" or "I must go"

The meaning of Olodumare then is "the Chief or the Exalted One to whom I must go or return".

Now according to Egyptian belief the highest reward which will be given to the good soul is to be permitted "to see God face to face and to lose itself in its ineffable glory".

A return to Osiris followed by identification with him is the desire of every devout worshipper of Osiris.

Olorun may only be reverenced and is hardly worshipped by the Yorubas, except by certain priests. It must be observed that although the faith of Osiris was widespread, his worship was almost entirely the monopoly of the priestly class.


It is not clear why the name of Osiris was not adopted and retained by the Yorubas as the name of their Supreme Deity. The name Osiris, however, is well known to the Yorubas who use it in the sense which shows that they are conversant with the myth of Osiris. The name survives in its original form of Osiri in the expression "gba osiri re" or "da osiri bo o" which means "to plot against an innocent person with a view to murdering him".


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Esu (pronounced ay-shoo) <-> Set, Shu, Khepera
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The conception of Esu involves a dualism in which Esu, the supreme power of evil, stands in opposition to Olorun, the most beneficent deity.

With the transference of worship from Olorun to the lesser deities, the antagonism is also transferred to these deities or Orisas.

The Yoruba saying "Esu ni ota orisa", "Esu is the enemy of Orisa" supports this.


Ancient Egyptian religion contains a dualism between Osiris and Set. "Osiris is the good power both morally and in the sphere of outward nature while Set is the embodiment of all that Egyptian regards as evil."

Just as the Yorubas say that "Esu is the enemy of Orisa" so writers on Ancient Egyptian Religion always say that "Set is the enemy of Osiris".

The opposition existed originally between the elder Horus and then between Osiris, and subsequently between the younger Horus on the one hand, and Set on the other hand.


There are three forms of the term orisa: "orisa", "oyisa" and "orise". The word "orisa" may be divided into two parts, ori and sa.

The first part is a modified form of Horu. For example the Egyptian god Horus-Bakhu "the god of the mountain" of the East, survives in Yoruba as Orisa-Beku, signifying "the god of the mountain".

The second part of the word, "se", is derived from Set (the final consonant is elided; this is customary in Yoruba language). The other form "sa" (pronounced 'sha') is the animal representative of Set.

The word ori-sa or ori-se, is therefore a modified form of the word "Horus-Set", the name of a double deity whose worship existed for centuries in Ancient Egypt.

It will be remembered that the double worship of Horus-Set came into existence when the crowns of the two kingdoms were united. Prior to the unification, Horus had become the title or part of the title of the deities worshipped in Southern Egypt, while Set the representative of the North, was widely worshipped there, but was regarded as the enemy of Horus.

The Yoruba migrated from one or more of certain districts in Ancient Egypt where the double worship of Horus-Set persisted.

Further evidence in support of the identification of Esu with Set is supplied by the fact that Esu is represented by a stone. Set was also represented by a stone. Esu is also represented by pillars; so also was Set.

According to Egyptian mythology there was a god named Shu who came forth from the primeval waters. He forcibly separated Sibu, the god of the earth, from Nuit, the goddess of the starry sky. He thus became the god of the space between earth and sky. His representation is that of a god in a kneeling posture holding up the sky with both hands.
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Later on he became fused with Ra the sun-god, and thus became a sun-god. As a sun-god he was regarded as a beneficent deity and an impersonation of power. He was the life-giver, "The principle which animates matter". Through his benign influence, righteousness and truth reign.

At a later period, however, greater attention was paid to the scorching heat emanating from him than to the animating effect of his rays.

He thus became, as the god of the scorching sun-heat, the dread sun-god, most closely allied to Set; and the ass, the animal of Set, which is also called Shu, appears to have belonged to him as well.

The above considerations show that Shu is regarded both as a benevolent and as a malevolent deity.

The conception of Esu is a fusion of the conception of Set and that of Shu. The Yoruba word "su" (pronounced shu) means "to stretch out over something" and hence "to cover up, to darken".

For example, the Yoruba expression, "Orun su" means "the sky is covered up", that is, with clouds; in other words, clouds have stretched out over the sky. The Yoruba verb meaning "to fall" is "su-bu" (shu-bu), that is, stretch out over or cover up the place (bu - a place, both in Ancient Egyptian language and in Yoruba).

The Yoruba deity thus derives its name and character both from Set, the enemy of Osiris, and from Shu, the sun-god, originally regarded as a beneficent deity and afterwards as the dreaded sun-god closely allied to Set. The reason why Esu is credited with the opposite qualities of beneficence and malevolence thus becomes clear. His beneficence and malevolence are traceable to the conception of Shu, whilst his malevolence is also traceable to Set.


The origin and meaning of Elegbera or Elegbara can be explained when it is remembered that the Shu became a sun-god by being fused into the body of Ra. Ra is known by two other names. As he himself says: "I am Khepera in the morning, Ra at noon, and Tum in the evening". The name of Khepera was also applied to Shu. As a result of this, Elegbera, the alternative name for Esu, is derived from Khepera. Every consonant must have its own vowel in Yoruba, Kh in Khepera is therefore elided, leaving epera. The labial sound p does not exist in Yoruba, p is changed to gb, and the word becomes egbera. To signify fullness or completeness, the initial vowel is reduplicated with an l to give El'egbera


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Oba'ufon or Obalufon <-> Typhon
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Obalufon II Mask, 11th-12th century., Copper.

This deity has been described as "the god of a prosperous empire", "the god of the peace of the kingdom", or "the Lord of Speech".

Oba'ufon has two parts.

Oba means "king" from Egyptian word "ba", which means "a soul" the king being regarded as the incarnate soul of the people.

'ufon or lufon comes from Typhon. The name Typhon must have been obtained by the Greeks from the Phoenicians, who identified Set with Ziphon, the god of storms. When the word was adopted by the Yorubas the initial consonant letter was elided in keeping with the rule that ebery noun in Yoruba must begin with a vowel.

The compound word Oba'ufon or Obalufon (since the placing of two vowels together is unusual in Yoruba, the letter l is inserted for euphony) is therefore another name for Esu and is derived from Typhon the Grecian name for Set or Sut. Obalufon possesses considerable power ("agbara" in Yoruba) because he is the same god as Set or Shu, who is regarded as an impersonation of power and who has been identified with Esu. During the last century in Yoruba land he was often propitiated with human sacrifices.

Human sacrifices were also linked with the name of Typhon in Ancient Egypt. According to Plutarch, "In Eileithapolis they used to burn living men to ashes ... calling them Typhoneian; and the ashes they winnowed away scattered. This, however, was done publicly and at on special time".


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Ifa - the god of divination <-> Nefer
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Derived directly from "nefer", the title of Osiris. Again, every Yoruba noun begins with a vowel. The initial consonant of a noun borrowed from another language either receives a vowel-prefix or is dropped if it is a weak nasal consonant.

nefer becomes 'efer or "ifa" since the sound "er" does not exist in Yoruba, and an "e" sound is represented by "i" in Yoruba.


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Obatala - Olorun's vicegerent <-> Khnum
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The name Obatala may be divided into three parts, namely, Oba-ti-ala.

Oba means king

ti means "of" or "pertaining to"

ala means "a boundary"


Obatala was formerly a Nile god. The word ala is a modified form of Iatur-au, Iaur-au the Ancient Egyptian name for the Nile. The Ancient Egyptian word becomes Iaro, Ialo in Coptic. Timon, the mathematician, used the very word ala in designating the sources of the Nile which he called Phi-ala, phi being the masculine article in Ancient Egyptian language, and ala being a modified form of Ialo.

Obatala then means "the King of the Nile" in a literal sense and "a Nile god" in a religious sense.

Obatala has been described as "the potter" (Orisa-popo, alamorere), and "Father Greybeard" (Obaba arugbo). The prototype of Obatala is undoubtedly Khnum, who was given titles identical with or similar to those of Obatala, in Egyptian mythology.


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Oduduwa - Odu-dua <-> Mut
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One of our mothers, an elderly priestess of the goddess Odua, Egbado-Yoruba

Odu - "exalted personage"
Dua - "the other world" from Ancient Egyptian word dua-t

Oduduwa means "Mistress of the Other World".

Another name of Oduduwa is Yemeu-u or Yemuhu which means "the living Mut" or "Mother Mut".

Ye is a West African word that means "the living one" or "Mother".

meu-u or muhu is a modified form of "Mut". The letter t is often dropped in Yoruba.


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Sango - Jakuta <-> Ptah
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Also known as Jakuta, "The Stone Thrower" or "The Fighter with Stone".

Ja-ku-ta means "the living soul (Khu) of Ptah". The Egyptian god Ptah was regarded as incorporate in a stone. The Yoruba word for stone is O-ku-ta, "the soul of Ptah".


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Ogun <-> Khu
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O-gu(n) is a modified form of the Egyptian word Khu. Horus, the patron god of several nomes in Ancient Egypt, was known by his worshippers as Khu. Ogun and Horus are both gods of iron and of war, the patron god of hunters and blacksmiths.

Horus has been identified with Nin-ip, the Babylonian sun-god of iron. Yoruba word for iron is i-rin, derived from Nin. Again the rule that every Yoruba word must begin with a vowel applies. Also the letter "r" is often substituted for the letter "n" in Yoruba and some other West African languages.


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O-l'-o-sa, "Owner of the lagoon". Sa in Ancient Egyptian language means a pond, a lake.


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O-l'-o-ku(n), "Owner of the sea".Khu (Ancient Egyptian)== soul. Oku(n) is the Yoruba word for the sea, regarded as the origin of the watery vapor resembling the soul (Khu) of man.


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Da-da comes from Da, name of the Egyptian lion-god.


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O-shu(n), from Shu, Ancient Egyptian god.


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Aje Saluga, "The Living one of Salug", that is, the God of (Wealth) of Salug.


Read:

"The Religion of the Yorubas" by J. Olumide Lucas
"Religion of Ancient Egypt" by A. H. Sayce
"The Opening Up of Africa" by H. H. Johnston

what's all this bullshit now? Please quit this nonsense it's an insult. ..
Obatala God of the Nile Esu enemy of Orisa
Not only do your sources lack sound knowledge in yoruba language, they display ignorance in our Spirituality as well
Please if you want to learn about the yoruba spirituality go to the right place and right people

What's all this?

ROSSIKE:
Dude you have no interest in knowledge. You couldn't even bother researching who Lucas was before writing your trash, and asking questions about him. He wrote his seminal work in 1948, probably before your dad was born. You are NOT a researcher into Yoruba precolonial history if you have not heard of or read Olumide Lucas. Here: educate yourself if possible: If it's the price of the book that's your problem tell us, we'll contribute for your learning. I've never seen anyone dismiss/critique a book they've never opened, except the irredeemably ignorant.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Religion-Yorubas-Olumide-Lucas/dp/0963878786

At least read the preview!!!!! Don't be a confirmation of the saying ''if you want to keep something away from black folk put it in a book!''

Wait what makes you think I haven't read his book? Must i believe in falsehood just because it is written? You are really gullible, quite easy to deceive into believing any bullshit even when it makes no sense
Would an Olumide Lucas know about my History better than the Kings and Priests I have interviewed myself? Or better than my Uncles who are initiated into various cults and privileged to much secrets? How come non of them, the custodians of our history and culture never mentioned egypt? I have also looked into the Egyptian "connection" and found only fraud

Any dumb fellow just wakes up due to unemployment and writes some shit and you believe, taking it all down without Scrutiny. ..
Didn't I tell you to tell me about Olumide Lucas, his origins and places his research took him to? ?? Is he an Isese adherent? Or A christian?

plaetton:
Are you serious ?
OMG!

You see, it all comes back to Africa.

The Sumerian cuneiform tablets that predate the bible by at least 4000yrs say that the first mother of all humankind, whom they referred to as the Mami Of The Nations , was called Ninlil or Nin-hersag.

She is believed to be the Mithocondrial Eve, a woman that has been genetically traced to South East Africa about 200,000 yrs ago.

So, we can see here that Yoruba Cultural history is much more accurate than the bible's cosmological plagerism.

Sure
what do you think of the Igbo word "nene" being a cognate of "Nini"
And Akan and Ewe "Nana"

delishpot:
forget it jor, all na the same. All na instrument of fear. Plus Oba o, plus who ask for the sacrifice of a mans child. All na same. God does not have time for those types of ish jor. Jesus did not preach about such a god.
The romans have watered down the true gospel. I need to time travel to know the truth as Jesus preached it.

How are you sure jesus preached any truth? U already said the romans have diluted things

delishpot:
Good to know.



But come o,

With all these rules yet people dey wonder why many Africans choose zo follow Jesus instead of all these juju with their plenty wahala.
Its as clear as day and night. No mater the juju, Benin no improve like paradise Thief still dey, kidnapping still dey, wicked people still dey. Abegi

iidiot! In ur church don't people steal, rape, con (ur pastors are master con men), fornicate, bomb(Boko Haram)
Wat have we gained from your jesus?

AreaFada2:
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Abi. Fact is the world is evolving and kings are all mostly educated now. They try to negotiate or marry tradition with modernity. Many practices now are only symbolic, just to preserve culture and history. Same in Japan, Spain, UK, Belgium, Hollan, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc. These are largely prosperous countries.

Our culture or Kings didn't make Abacha loot money, make IBB cancel June 12 or cause our law makers to give themselve huge wardrobe allowance.

Abi, these Bastards just keep attacking African culture and praise the nonsense Caucasians do
The same Caucasian system that has seen Nigeria in this sorry state

If only africans can take cultur seriously, we wouldn't be in this mess
Coping Europe has done us no good

Atlantian:
It appears to me, that traditions and taboos in Africa where designed out of ignorance, fear and illiteracy. But what baffles me is how educated people actually decide to respect and worship ignorant and illiterate traditions. You will even see a so called educated Benin indigene insulting others who dare challenge the barbaric and silly tradition. In 21 century, when other countries are getting rid of taboos that are discovered to be false, in Africa the reverse is the case. we have Obas and so called Kings that are custodians of these ancient instrument of ignorance and fear as a weapon of control and intimidation.

What do we call a person who tells others not to use umbrella when it rains, and he is the only one to use umbrella ?

What do you call a person who doesnt allow his wives (note 'wives') to embrace any other man, not even her own father and brother ? Is that not a mark that he is afraid that a more capable man can take his wives ?

When Africa is ready to accept knowledge and shun tradition and religion, we will invent something better than foo-foo and okro soup.

utterance of a bastard slave suffering from chronic colomentality and self hate

Go to Europe then

ammyluv2002:
And someone will say 'Christ is not coming soon" OYO

Christ ko, Kris ni
Gay rape has been happening before israel became a nation

ROSSIKE:
Oh...so if half the words above correspond it's just a coincidence correct? OH SURE... Talk about magical links. By the way, it is a LIE that half the words do not correspond. And claiming to be Yoruba does not make you an expert in Yoruba history. Olumide Lucas was a Yoruba scholar who conducted proper research into the Egyptian connection and reached very positive conclusions. What research or field studies have you done? You can't just sit on your backside criticising while experts are out on the field working, and you ignore their works. If you really cared for the truth, why haven't you ordered Lucas' work to see his findings? His is the seminal work on the subject. Surely you've heard of him?

First it's very wrong for you to call me a liar without basis, when you have no idea of yoruba language or yoruba in general.
It just goes to show how desperate you are to accept any bullshit you read on the Internet - your desperation to link yoruba to egypt
for what reason, I stil don't know

anyone can come up with 100 similar words between any Two different languages, but this case is even suspicious. .
1. Over 60 of the words in your list are wrong translations into yoruba
2. How can the compiler justify those Egyptian translations? Where did he learn Egyptian language? Infact who compiled that list? Pls can I have a name?
Considering the already laid record of falsehood (in the yoruba part) I believe I am right to question the less than 40 Egyptian words that do have similar meaning with the yoruba words applied

I am a Yoruba Isese adherent, my whole life at least for the last 2 years has been entirely committed to Yoruba culture ,history and Spirituality so I don't need an Olumide Lucas who's origins I don't know, who's aim for claiming Egyptian origin of my people I don't know. This Olumide Lucas, what's his origins? His family name? Lucas isn't a yoruba name so from whom did he get the name? Where did he go to conduct his research? Internet Explorer like you?
Or from earlier books of falsehoods like Samuel Johnson's? Who did he interview? What cult does he belong to?
You think intelligent people just believe whatever they read from a book ignoring the right source?

I know much about the Egyptians and I even know more about the yoruba, I have done immense research on the yoruba nation, growing up until I die. But there's nothing Egyptian in yoruba culture
All there is are typically African similarities like you would find between any Two African people not cultural descent.

stigman:
That you are alive today you think its the rice and beans you ate, where did human being originate from? Where do your soul go to when you are asleep? Do u believe that there is devil and demons?, the magicians you believe in where did their power come from? Why do people get healed at the mention of the name jesus, how come the things written in bible are happening everyday,

Ok pls don't eat again in your life. Just pray and read your bible
Let's see you get 60days without any food

Humans originated from prehistoric primates. Does ur soul have to go somewhere for you to sleep? Can't the brain just take a break?
Devil is nonsense, from the anus of ur Christian founders. Demons are simply negative energies that bring death, sickness, sorrow & pain, etc.
I don't believe magic boy, those are tricks like what you do in church and call miracle.
I see so talking snakes and donkeys happen every day? Women turning to salt happens every day?

ROSSIKE:
You need to read Olumide Lucas' 'The Religion of the Yorubas'. He provides fulsome evidence of Yoruba migration from Egypt.


Example: Linguistic similarities between Yoruba and Medu Neter, the language of Ancient Egypt.

LINGUISTIC SIMILARITIES

According to Ferdinand de Saussure, the surest way to prove cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa).

One of the largest inhabitants of Egypt were Yoruboid , and it will be expected that a good percentage of their language will be Yoruboid, too. See the table below.

EGYPT YORUBA
1. Wu (rise) Wu (rise)
2. Ausa (Osiris, father of the gods) Ausa (father)
3. Ere (python/ Serpent) Ere (Python / Serpent)
4. Horise (a great god) Orise (a great god)
5. Sen (group of worshippers) Sen ( to worship)
6. Ged (to chant) Igede (a chant)
7. Ta (sell / offer) Ta (sell/offer)
8. Sueg (a fool) Suegbe (a fool)
9. On ( living person) One ( living person)
10. Kum (a club) Kumo( a club)
11. Enru (fear / terrible) Eru (fear / terrible
12. Kun / qun (brave man) Ekun (title of a brave man)
13. Win (to be) Wino (to be)
14. Odonit (festival) Odon (festival)
15. Ma or mi (to breath) Mi. (to breathe)
16. Tebu (a town) Tebu (a town)
17. Adumu (a water god) Adumu (a water god)
18. Khu (to kill) Ku (die)
19. Rekha (knowledge} Larikha (knowledge)
20 Hika (evil) Ika (evil)
21 Mhebi (humble) Mebi, humble to ones family
22 Sata (perfect) Santan (perfect)
23 Unas (lake of fire) Una (fire)
24 Tan (complete) Tan (complete)
25 Beru (force of emotion) Beru (fear)
26 Em (smell) Emi (smell)
27 Pa (open) Pa (break open)
28 Bi (to become) Bi (to give birth, to become)
29 Hepi (a water god) Ipi (a water god)
30 Sami (water god) Sami (a water god)
31 Osiri (a water god) Oshiri (a water god)
32 Heqet � Re (frog deity) Ekere (the frog)
33 Feh (to go away) Feh (to blow away)
34 Kot (build) Ko (build)
35 Kot (boat) Oko (boat)
36 Omi (water) Omi (water)
37 Ra (time) Ira (time)
38 Oni (title of Osiris) Oni (title of the king of Ife)
39 Budo (dwelling place) Budo (dwelling place)
40 Dudu (black image of Osiris) Dudu (black person)
41 Un (living person) Una (living person)
42 Ra (possess) Ra (possess/buy)
43 Beka (pray/confess) Be or ka (to pray or confess)
44 Po (many) Po (many/cheap)
45 Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo (head) (Ijebu)
46 Min (a god) Emin (spirit)
47 Ash (invocation) Ashe (invocation)
48 Aru (mouth) Arun (mouth ) Ilaje
49 Do (river) Odo (river)
50 Do (settlement) Udo (settlement)
51 Shekiri (water god) Shekiri (a water god)
52 Bu (a place) Bu ,a place
53 Khepara (beetle Akpakara (beetle)
54 No (a water god Eno (a water god)
55 Ra -Shu (light after darkness Uran-shu (the light of the moon
56 Run-ka (spirit name) Oruko (name)
57 Deb/dib to pierce Dibi (to pierce)
58 Maat (goddess of justice Mate (goddess of justice)
59 Aru (rise) Ru (rise up)
60 Fa (carry) Fa (pull)
61 Kaf (pluck) Ka (pluck)
62 Bu bi (evil place) Bubi (evil place)
63 In- n (negation In-n (negation)
64 Iset (a water god) Ise (a water god)
65 Shabu (watcher) Ashonbo (watcher)
66 Semati (door keeper) Sema (lock/shut the door)
67 Khenti amenti (big words of Osiris Yenti � yenti (big, very big)
68 Ma (to know) Ma (to know)
69 Bebi, a son of osiris) Ube, a god
70 Tchatcha chief (they examined the death to see if they tricked tsatsa (a game of tricks, gambling )
71 Ren( animal foot) Ren (to walk)
72 Ka (rest) Ka (rest/tired)
73 Mu (water) Mu (drink water)
74 Abi (against) Ubi (against / impediment)
75 Reti (to beseech) Retin (to listen)
76 Hir (praise) Yiri (praise)
77 Ta(spread out) Ta (spread out)
78 Kurud (round) Kurudu (round)
79 Ak � male Ako (male)
80 Se � to create Se (to create)
81 Hoo (rejoice) Yo (rejoice)
82 Kamwr (black) Kuru (extremely black
83 Omitjener (deep water) Omijen (deep water)
84 Nen, the primeval water mother) Nene (mother
85 Ta (land) Ita (land junction)
86 Horiwo (head) Oriwo (head)
87 Ro (talk) Ro (to think)
88 Kurubu (round) Kurubu (deep and round)
89 Penka (divide) Kpen (divide)
90 Ma-su (to mould) Ma or su (to mould)
91 Osa (time) Osa (time)
92 Osa (tide) Osa ( tide)
93 Fare (wrap) Fari (wrap)
94 Kom (complete) Kon (complete)
95 Edjo (cobra) Edjo (cobra)
96 Didi (red fruit) Diden (red)
97 Ba (soul) Oba (king) soul of a people
98 Ke (hill) Oke( hill
99 Anubis (evil deity) Onubi (evil person)
100 Kan (one: Middle Egyptian) Okan one)
101 Nam (water god) Inama (water god)


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Am very sure you don't understand yoruba
Half of those words there don't mean what you posted as their translation in yoruba
For the others that do, it can be argued that it is just some of those cases where words from different languages sound alike and mean similar things..
I can think of some on Yoruba - English
Doesn't mean yoruba came from English speaking people

How can I trust the Egyptian words there? If the compiler of this list could fail in some yoruba translations, what's to say those Egyptian translations aren't wrong? Especially considering the fact that the language is no longer spoken


I know much about the Egyptian religion and as a Yoruba I know even more about my ancestral Spirituality... there's nothing to suggest an Egyptian origin for the Yoruba

You see africans are doomed until we learn to not give a fvck about others but care only about our Africa and what is African

Begins with dumping nonesense like Adam and Eve

Why should a yoruba ignore the yoruba tale that described a Woman - Nini as the first human?
It's simply mental slavery

This non of my children shall experience. .

tucky200:
Give buhari what that clueless man inherited,
And you see nigeria become the best nation in africa

Is Nigeria not already the best nation in africa?

This people make a lot of sense but sentimental folks won't listen
They just want an igbo there whether Competent or not

bushdoc9919:
Thank you for answering me.

First...slight correction....China(Uighurs, Tibetians,Koreans, Mongolians), Singapore(Chinese, Malay and Indian)and even Sweden are not homogenous.(Sweden has a minority tribe that lives up North).

(I would have added Japan....Ainu and Okinawans are there too in addition to the majority Yamato people).

But to answer your question....what makes countries great is a realization that they cannot live on the sale of their resources....and that such resources are limited.......and the use of such resources to become industrial.

And homogeneity does not equal development. Ask Somalia and most Arab nations (eg Yemen and Iraq, and even Turkmenistan....seriously underdeveloped nations that are homogenous.Mongolia is another example.).

Thanks for your answer.

You really irritate me with this chicken reasoning. ..am sorry if it's offensive but this is my honest opinion

You keep using other nations to judge the Nigerian Situation. .can't you look at Nigeria and identify our problems without bringing others?
But I can see you don't even know the meaning of "homogeneity"
Again - China, Singapore, Sweden are homogenous And If u have the mind to say Russia isn't homogenous then Somalia isn't either

Look at Nigeria it's a mess, and any reasonable person who wants to solve a mess first identifies the problem. ..what is NIGERIA'S problem? Hatred amongst ourselves, we already got off on the wrong foot from the beginning (am talking late 19th century here)
More bad blood fussing in during the course of Nigeria from 1960 till now

Any sincere human being would admit that we aren't getting along and what's the point of this if we can't get along? If a fulani being president irritates the south. If zoning is done to appoint public workers instead of merit
Where one region's resources feeds the nation but other ethnic groups enjoy a larger chunk of it?
Where the north want to hold on to power? Where one group gets jealous over a project planned for the other, where there's only competition, where there's no patriotism
This federal system of diversity is not in our African system. ..we cannot run like this

How can there be development? When there's only hatred?
Two people even fight when living in the same room, they fight for space and undue advantage
But as neighbors there's more friendship

Best is to be honest and let go, if it is meant to be then Nigeria can be recreated

coolitempa:
Lol... .....like Somalia and Rwanda...... .....I so badly want Biafra for these people.....

You compare some small Bantu tribes to Igbo ethnic group? Look who's fooling you?

If you understand anything about ethnic homogeneity you would know that so many Bantu tribes ought to come together. .hence Rwandans would be integrated along with neighboring tribes into one larger nation

Btw Somalia is not homogenous

bushdoc9919:
Is America homogenous? Canada? Even Russia/the Old Soviet Union?

(Russia today is not homogenous....they have Europeans and Asians)

Is Germany homogeneous? Yes
Is Austria
Japan
China
Korea
Singapore
France
England
Scotland
Denmark
Sweden
Netherlands
Portugal

Yes they all are
I could go an mentioning homogeneous nations which so happen to be European and East Asian nations and are doing just fine economically and free from internal violence that lure your brothers over running away from Nigeria

if you can proudly say Somalia is homogenous then I say Russia is as well...after all there's a greater percentage of native Russian speakers in Russia than Somali speakers in Somalia

Why can't Igbos, Lower Niger/Niger Deltans, Arewa(Fulani/Hausa/Kanuri), Akan, Mande be allowed to develope their own nations?
Why should we live as the dammed British declared? Are we dogs?
Don't you have a mind of your own? Can't africans make their own decisions on how to live and who to live with in the same country?

menix:
U Wey get plenty sense watin u don achieve for this life..

With the shyte u spewed up there, u jst confirmed ur hatred for other tribes..

Well, be informed that I 'bu' Menix don't hate nd I repeat DONT HATE any tribe cous I can't create an ant...

Nwanne, gerrara here!!! Whol up whol up...

Ok. But I didn't say I hate anybody. .. I don't know what stupid confirmation you seem to have gotten from my last post

dinachi:
We are more educated and well exposed than in 1914 when the amalgamation happened. So you have never heard about unity in diversity? The British left since the sixties and we are still going strong as a united nation. The most important lesson is understanding our differences and doing everything within our power to minimize it.
And do you think even if we split along ethnic lines, the Igbo man from Anambra will not love to lord it over and above his brother from Ebony I and vice versa. Or the Yoruba man from Osun will not like to overtake the man from Ogun?
It is about individuals!
Following your argument why should an Igbo man marrry a Yoruba Lady, then? Do they have similar cultures? Or why should an idoma lady marry a Fulani man?
It is very simple! Know your differences and minimize it. Each tribe and ethnic group in Nigeria has something positive to contribute if given the chance.

You are wrong, a nation built on ethnic hhomogeneity would strive on merit rather than where you come from (as it is in Nigeria) because ultimately the citizens are the same

dinachi:
Does it matter the number of cross cultural marriage for you to understand that diversity is actually a blessing in disguise.

what nonsense blessing?