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Qaisar1:
Am no historian but I listened to a Benin Palace Chief.... He said, the Binis conquered and explored so many parts in this country (Off country - Benin Republic)... But they were not wise in terms of securing lands/arears (which were usually done my joining cultures (marriage)... They would refer to other tribes as "Ezon" (/Hay zon/), and not wanting to associate with them (in great deal).

Then this is not an empire. An empire is actively involved with the people it conquered
Describes marauders not empire

comos:
yorubas were enslaved by the binis. They even pay royalties to the oba of benin.
Go ask oba of Lagos, he will tell you the truth.

go ask Omo'n'oba if he ever enslaved any yoruba. .am sure the royal family know their slaves very well better than you

Having Bini descendants in Lagos doesn't = Awori enslavement by Bini

ChristyG:
ohhh okay,i was wondering cos i ave never heard of any bini influnce there.even the way they pronounce the names are different while nigeria it is benin.i know one ajase woman,she would say 'bene republic'.i am not sure if i got spelling right but that is how it sounds.

You are right. . that's probably the French or native accent working

ChristyG:
those who have any bini ancestry in them is the eleko royals(which is now very small due to mixing with yorubas)the aworis dont ave any bini ancestry in them..can u pls explain the benin rep cos that also sounds as fake the kwara own's

the name "Benin" republic keeps deceiving this ignorant lot

Bight of Benin doesn't = Benin Republic
The bight is merely a coast line with no people to conquer

ChristyG:
mtcheww,like u dont say mean things about yorubas here?practice what u preach,u are a edo tribalist yourself.so u should also take ur advice cos u need it more

Funny thing - there was no insult in my post

9jacrip:
It is still not supremacy, they hold different positions and occupy different thrones. It is a matter of old order vs new order.

You can spend your time structuring Benin history you know, rather than waste so muh energy on Yoruba business.

I've decided to ignore the buffoon as I realized he was Esan
Imagine an Esan man who's history is largely unknown trying to teach Yorubas our language and history, teach Binis their history and yet declare that only Awori should talk about Awori
Imagine Awori are 100% unique
When next we need to learn about Aworis we either seek an Awori or an Esan man

The man is so pathetic and hypocritical

Best you ignore him brother, an Esan can never know the bonds of we Yorubas

Jst watch how he would quote me saying Yorubas are divided

@op thank you very much but no Edoid languages in Kwara state

Gejpresident:
God bless edo state


bini kingdom one of d greatest kingdom in Africa

we conquered Yoruba land their first king oduduwa is from benin

oba of benin rule Lagos and name it eko

No doubt Bini was one of Africa's greats but face Bini. Dont bring Yorubaland into ur nonsense
You aren't even Bini or yoruba
Una go dey take panadol for another man headache

Let Yoruba tell it's history

ireneidiva:
What is the relationship between your comment and mine?

aunty try answering that urself ejo

NigerMan1:
macof - I aave a feeling you're AWORI. Are you?

If yes, then accept my sympathy because I know about some Awori groups in Isale-Eko deep rooted DISPLEASURE with the Lagos monarchy. I know about the cold-war between different Awori groups among each other on one hand, and against the family of the Lagos monarcy on the other.

Pls mention this Awori groups against the Eleko
You don't know shit about the Awori

anonymous6:
I agree, a unified currency in west Africa will be tough but a military Definately yes.

One tribal nations will be good but I don't see that happening

We can acquire our various nations if we set out for such a project
(Pls try to refrain from referring to Powers lik Igbo, Hausa, Akan, Yoruba as tribes, we aren't tribes)

ireneidiva:
This is just too childish of you. We are all Nigerians first before being igbo or yoruba. No tribe is superior. So please grow up.

Big delusion

We are first our ethnicity before Nigeria
I have more relatives in Brazil than in some parts of this dammed Nigeria

babyosisi:
Nna na wa o
Like folks don't know how these people went to Brazil
There in Brazil they are considered second class citizens also
What is to celebrate there?
Everything is a reason for owanbe

not true. Blacks in Brazil aren't second class pls

ECOTERRORS:
Next thing some skunks wll turn this int a tribal bashing thread.

So Neymar and Ronaldinho are yorubas.

Its very likely that most Brazilian players are of Yoruba ancestry

tonychristopher:
History don't die but they are recorded and revisited

This is exactly what I have done

Research and thank me later


One thing is that there are things you can't wish away and one is oduduwa was a Benin prince
Two is lagos was a Benin colony
Three majority of people in lagos are migrants

I rest my case

You are mad honestly. When ur madness is ever cured come back let's discuss without running into quick conclusions

Since all I've done on ur matter is abortive. . I have schooled you oon many past threads about Oduduwa not fitting Ekaladerhan personality
Here I schooled u on the Idejo from my first hand experience wit some of their family members

But The urge to insult yoruba history, to distort history placing yorubas under Bini is so powerful in you
I would have loved to see you claim Igbo colony of Lagos lik you do on past threads

Am done with you! Come back when you have gone to Isale-Eko and tell us the chief you interviewed

The ignorance of this Esan man is not the issue but how you try to claim authority on Yoruba and Bini is what baffles me

Oba Akiolu's father isn't Oyekan lik you posted above


If you say Bini conquered Eko because of Eleko being of Bini origin
Then I say Ife conquered Bini because of Omo'n'oba's Ife ancestry

if you can't deal wit Bini having Ife lineages sorry you can go sue them

TonySpike:
This just the problem with these outsiders trying to distort Yoruba history. How can anyone in his right sense rate Olubadan as one of the foremost Yoruba kings? This is very displeasing and abominable! Ibadan did not become a full-fledged city until circa 1820s, and even then was a military garrison and launchpad base against the Northern invasion. I would really advise you, Nigerman1, to desist from distorting Yoruba history and hierarchy. I don't know the profane points you have been trying to prove, but please stay on your original topic!

They leave their dying history and come to destroy yoruba so we can be like them
People without knowledge of their history

tonychristopher:
The members of the Aromire settlement gave land to Benin conqueror on Lagos Island, and thus we can be sure that they, like the Oloto People, existed prior to conquest. Armoire again did not represent a single group. One section of the family settled at Tolo on the western tip of Lagos Island, and it became headed by the Onitolo, a descendant of the Aromire family. Another Idejo title holder, the Onitano, was said to be the grandson of Oshoboja's daughter. Still another Idejo chief, the Onikoyi, was brought into Lagos by Aromire family through marriage. The founder of Onikoyi family lived at Oke-Ipa on Ikoyi Island, named after his ancestral home which was believed to have been in Old Oyo. Adeyemi a leader of the Oke-Ipa settlement married Efunluyi, daughter of Meku armoire, who was believed to be the sixth title holder of the Aromire line. In honour of her deliverance of a son, called Muti, Chief Meku allocated to his daughter and son-in-law a plot of land near Iga Aromire "Aromire Court", on Lagos Island. The house built on that plot became Iga Onikoyi and Aromire's son-in-law the first holder of an Idejo title in Lagos, the Onikoyi title. All in all, four related Idejo chieftaincies came out of the Aromire line: armoire itself, Onitolo, Onitano, and Onikoyi.

The remaining four Idejo titles clearly came into existence after the invasion of Benin. To chart this process, let us return to Ulsheimer. If his account is correct, then it appears that the daily gathering of Lagos governors was one of military commanders from Benin, and not heads of local settlement. Gradually, however, additions were made to that body. The vehicle via which accretion took place eventually was called Ose Iga a ceremonious meeting of Lagos held at the palace every seventeen days. The Osega was attended by a body of chiefs whose agenda was devoted to proposing and debating community policy. Before discussions at each meeting, sacrifices were performed. After each meeting the assembled chiefs were fed and entertained by the Oba. Rights to sit on his highest decision making body of the community were extended to all recognized chiefs. Indeed, the culmination of investiture ceremonies took place in the Ose chamber of the palace. Until a chief was brought into Osega, he was effectively not a functioning part of the larger policy. It does appear, however, that leaders of surrounding village who saw themselves as clients of the Oba could attend the Osega. Village settlement in and around Lagos Island were of several types: those powerful enough to be represented by their chief on the Osega; those that were clients (and the nature of the tie differed markedly among settlements. Ranging from complete dominance and overlordship to a loose control or dependency); and those that retained autonomy, foregoing the political and protective links that representation at the Lagos Osega could offer them.

The number of chiefs with rights to attend the Osega grew slowly and fluctuated. Olumegbon, leader of the Idejo class was said to have been brought into Lagos and given a title by Ado, one of the early Bini rulers. The first Olumegbon came from Aja, east of Lagos toward the Lekki Lagoon. The reasons for his inclusion among the chiefs who attend the Osega may never be known to us. It is possible that the Benin warriors found him and his people located at a vital position on their east-west trade corridor and therefore wished to control that position themselves by alleviating its headman to a chieftaincy title in Lagos rather than subjugating him. It is also possible that he was originally a part of the Ido alliance and brought in as its senior representatives. In any case, Olumegbon was allocated a plot for an Iga in the Iduntafa area of Lagos and thus within the portion of land originally allocated by Aromire to the Benin rulers.

http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=5707


I give you facts with credible refrences now I think you owe me a bottle of beer for the energy sapping lectures I am offering you and others for free. This is what you owe me, Just Heineken thats all

This doesn't dispute all I've said about Aworis. . It disputes ur earlier assertions infact

Read carefully. .
Olumegbon is among the king makers (at least a title chief in the court) of the Eleko
Aromire is land owner to the Bini lineages

Lmao

Esan! No wonder
He isn't even Bini

What then is ur business with Awori - Bini connection? Absolutely nothing
if you say Yorubas are divided pls talk about ur Edo people first

Etsako are gradually losing any sign of connection to you lot. ..what wit the islam and Yoruba names they lik to bear now

Try arranging ur burning house instead of trying to divide yorubas

NigerMan1:
macof - my concern is not about ownership. But the Ancestry of Lagos monarchy

Again here is what Oba of Lagos said:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

In the same vein, the MIGRANTS to Lagos, from Osun, Ondo, Oyo, Ogun CANNOT claim ancestry in Lagos.

Smh.

Nobody says there are no Bini descendants in Lagos. .the Oba of Lagos is descended from Oba of Benin


If that's ur only problem. ..then there's no problem at all
But no it isn't. ..u still want to drag Eleko's Bini ancestry to mean Bini ownership of lagos. ..that's what you can never succeed at

NigerMan1:
This is pure fallacy. In reality Every section does not affect the others, that came to be due to modern political and economy positioning. However it does not diffuse the historical facts on the table.

You're Ife origin:

Your fathers were not buried in Lagos Island...

Your family house/compound is not Lagos...

Your ancestry is never connected to Lagos.

the Niger deltan who thinks he knows yorubas better than yorubas
Who tries to teach Yorubas our language, Culture and history
The man who has no connection to Lagos but talks about lagosians yet dictates who can and cannot talk about them

Were ur fathers buried in lagos island?
Is ur family compound in lagos?
Is ur ancestry connected to Lagos?

Hypocrisy of the highest order

tonychristopher:
Your going basal , your using gutter language brother, nobody is claiming authority..what we are stating is facts..why use the term idiotss

Wat language I use is what you deserve at this point. You are claiming Bini authority don't deny what you've always claimed
Claiming Eko is Bini and all that abominable talks of Awori being conquered without seeking the people's opinion is an act of Idiocy...I say this so you know

A yoruba man is telling you No, Bini didn't conquer us, you igbo man says Yes they did only because u read it from an unknown author
That's nt facts or academic discuss

You jst lik saying the word "facts" who told you what you are copying and pasting is fact? No reference name, jst open blogs by unknown writers

tonychristopher:
Try and be open to learning, brother we learn everyday and nobody is omni potent and know it all sir

But you aren't willing to learn

If you are you would have looked up Idejo by now

But even if you saw anything contradicting ur anti-yoruba plot you would ignore it

NigerMan1:
macof - here is another contraction from you. You openly attacked the credibility of tonychristopher for quoting Internet sources! Now you jumped up, supporting an Internet source that aligned with your belief. WHY?

Anyway, you guys should stop using IDEJO story to supplant the fact that Lagos Monarchy has Benin Ancestry. Stop trying to use IDEJO story to vanquish the well-known story of the Obas of Lagos that their fathers was Benin.

NOTE: Am well informed about the cold war between some prominent families and tribal groups in Lagos for Supremacy, which account for some people sponsoring those IDEJO stories. However the Lagos monarchy has continue to openly admit their Benin ancestry.

Whit this I can say you are a lost course

You lik Google right? Try searching Olumegbon, Oloto and other Idejo . .since you cannot accepted anything you didn't see on someone's blog

All you nd Tony know about yoruba are from blogs and Internet articles wit all ur copy and paste
Only an Iidiot does that and declares himself authority on Yoruba history - both of you are not even Yoruba. .you have never might an Awori chieftain in your obviously pathetic lives so full of Bigotry

I repeat NOBODY DENIES ELEKO'S BINI ANCESTRY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EKO WAS CONTROLLED BY OBA OF BENIN

NigerMan1:
You wrote: "Wrong, Yoruba have no Bini influence outside eastern kingdoms close to Bini"

Anytime you guys wants to HIDE a salient fact you don't want in the open, you quickly applied the word "YORUBA". The man replied to your post about EKO and you're now mentioning "Yoruba"

The question is: Which part of present day Yoruba are you referring?

What are these "eastern kingdoms close to Bini"


You wrote: "Oba is yoruba pls"

This is a complete of history. In the olden days, there is no where in present day Yorubaland, a paramount King was callled or known as OBA. Even as far back as 14th Century, what you have are:

>> ALAAFIN of Oyo

>> OONI of Ife

>> OLUBADAN of Ibadan (wich came much later)

Others like SOUN of Ogbomosho, ALAKE of Egbaland came much, much later as well)

None was known as "OBA"



When Was The FIRST Time The Title OBA Came to Present Day Yorubaland?

Exactly when the Benin King installed a Benin prince as the King of Lagos, known as "OBA of Lagos"

Due to the progress and influence of Benin ruler-ship of Lagos, many tribes such as Ijebu, Egba etc also sojourned to Lagos for commerce, trade etc and many stayed put. The Benin left a plethora of words, vowels, tradition that influenced many Yorubas of those days in Lagos.

Using the title OBA was one of them.

Up till today, there is no prominent KING anywhere in Yorubaland (OLDEN DAYS) that bears that title OBA- except those whose kingship are of recent history.


You wrote: "Idu is also yoruba"

I thought you would also uproot stories from Internet to prove this? My man, all these stuff are in International museums and archives. Idu was 100% Benin.


You wrote: "Eko could be farm, farming in Awori/Ijebu"

That was brought up simply to create argument. EKO was/is a Benin word. Bro the cultural influence of Benin is still LIVE among EKO people till today. And why bringing Ijebu to this? The beginning of Lagos monarchy was Benin/Awori

Before I address this

Are you trying to teach me yoruba hhistory and language?

tosyne2much:
I just smh each time I see people talking aggressively and raining curses on guys each time a topic like this arises

Not every guy who lay hands on ladies is happy doing it. Sometimes it just happens unconsciously which might later put you in deep regrets

Sometimes, my mom can be so annoying that she stretches my tolerance to the end point that I feel like engaging in a physical combat with her, just that it's not just possible

I have never lay hands on ladies and I will never
but I think it can be justifiable depending on the context or situation

Personally, it's very evident to me that many ladies seem to take advantage of the fact that the society kicks against a guy beating a lady, therefore, they ride on you and even do nasty things that warrant beating cos they know that people will rebuke you if you dare try that

My elder brother told me that during his 100L, a lady has once registered a slap on his face in the lecture room just because he missed his steps and accidentally stepped on her sandal. She added another slap even when he said "sorry"... in that case, if he retaliated, would you call him a misogynist ?

Well said.

NigerMan1:
macof - stop going roundabout this simple issue; from insulting, to diverting etc.

On the Lagos State Website website: They freely used the word "Bini Conquerors" - wetin come concern una nau?

Okay, you guys hate the word conquerors, abi? Then go to the editors of that piece and ask them to change it to "Occupation".
But do remember this: The facts are in the archives; in Europe and in the Palace of the Oba of Lagos

Lol have you seen this archives in Europe? Europeans now tell yoruba history better than yorubas
Man! U are lost

Oba of lagos cannot come out to say Awori - he is Awori despite his Bini ancestry
Were subjects of Oba of Benin

NigerMan1:
macof - you and 9jacrip should please calm down. Let's take historical in an orderly manner ans stop mixing incidents of say, 700years ago with one that happened say, 150years ago.

First on the Lagos State Government website here ( http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 ) it is written thus:

"Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini CONQUERORS. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded..."

Now why are you guys fighting me? The ABORIGINAL Lagosian freely used the word "Conquerors" and are not ashame. Nothing to be ashamed, because it was mere incidents of past history and ancestry.

Am perturbed how you guys with no ancestry, no lineage to EKO have now picked up the gauntlet to change this FACT?

pls have yoyou met an aboriginal lagosian who freely used "conquerors"?

What's ur business with Eko history u this man? U can't tell me what to talk about
Tony - an Igbo is parading on the Lagos history nobody says he should quit trying to learn about Aworis
History is not a subject you keep for aborigines alone to discuss . If Others want to learn let them learn, it's the yoruba way. ..btw I am Yoruba I can discuss my Yoruba history as I want
It is you - an Edo who has no right dictating Yoruba history based on the nonsense you read from blogs

NigerMan1:
macof - I wish a discourse like this remain what it should: Pure academic and scholarly argument. Unfortunately you Yorubas cannot stomach such once it counter or faintly differs from you age-long held beliefs.

Can you imagine calling me "you just too pathetic" which is akin to rude culture and Agberoism

Please don't accuse me of forcefully inputting anything. First the Olukumi story is far more diverse more than the elder claimed in history, but however it provided a great clue and support the well-known facts that some present day Yorubaland, most part of Niger Delta, a bit of Igboland and down to Lagos were once directly or indirectly under the RULER-SHIP and influence of Great Benin Kingdom.

This glorious has been attacked by Yorubas over the years, and tried to either supplant or wiped it off.

As for Eze Chima, no - I did not claim he was Benin. I supported my thoughts by posting Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe testimonials.

Academic is exactly what history is not claims. History is defined by Maturity and Not Hate
So get over ur problem with my people and open ur brain to knowledge
If you disbelief anything I tell you quickly take a trip to Isale-Eko

Read this well BINI NEVER CONQUERED THE AWORIS OR CONTROLLED AND INCH OF THE LAND having Bini descendants doesn't = Bini control
Oba of Benin never had authority in lagos. .
Eleko having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos a Bini conquered land. . His pilgrimage to Bini, burial in Bini doesn't mean The Awori acknowledge the Oba of Benin
All that was the Bini lineages recognizing their Bini ancestry
Same way The Ife lineages in Bini recognized their Ife ancestry - ur Oba of Benin recognize his Ife ancestry
Go sue him

NigerMan1:
macof - I will be happy if you guys stop accusing me of hatred. A neutral fellow reading this thread will clearly see who's brimming with hatred.

Now to your analysis - yes macof - to an extent you're right, and I do not disprove others in Lagos. That's not my area of interest at all However Lagos Monarchy ancestry is DIFFERENT from all these points you're bringing up. The Oba of Lagos said the above - why don't you talk about that?

Again relax - nobody is claiming Lagos as his property - you're deliberately mixing things up. (And remember Lagos is also not your own property, today's Lagos is an exclusive design of the Federal Government funded by the Niger Delta OIL money!)

You wrote: "Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants"

Why do you people from Oyo, Ogun, Osun are claiming Lagos as solely yours?
Anyway please add the Igalas and Nupes - who brought Igunuko masquerade to Lagos

You filled with Hate, even ur sources dnt agree with you yet u propagate ur Bini claim to Lagos

Lmao I am a Yoruba
Wait let an Awori slam the door to my face and tell me out oof the Awori history and land
But we know that can't happen, I have been given so much access to Awori chieftain families, many (potential) Future Idejo are my close friends
Oba of lagos (Eleko) is of Bini ancestry, nobody says otherwise but you go to insult us all by claiming Bini owns lands or conquered the Aworis

While you seek to brand urself Yoruba historian from ur favorite blogs (Edofolks) and dictate who tells Awori story
Why don't you follow ur advice and leave Awori alone ..you aren't yoruba I am, you have no access to the Idejo ...probably you've never been in Lagos

All yoruba are interwoven, does it bite to realize that Bini are alone? Even Esan don't stand with you in most cases
So you seek to divide and conquer

Sorry the ties that bind the Yoruba cannot be broken

NigerMan1:
Macof - You have continue to either divert from the main point or whipping up sentiments. Look just calm down and stop fighting for Lagos. Am not telling you Benin own Lagos, just as Yorubas from Osun, Ogun, Oyo, Ondo have not palimony claim in Lagos.

And is good you later-day Migrants to Lagos shouting "Lagos is Yorubaland" know a bit of the formation; culture, languages, names, kingship etc about Lagos from the olden days.

On the Lagos State Government website I shared here: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 it is written there that BENIN CONQUERED Lagos and established the Kingship which still exist till day. Please macof why are you offsiding this fact?i

Oh I guess lagos is Bini land
If it isn't Yorubaland pls go and tell the people Ijora, Island, Ikorodu, Isolo, Ebute-Metta etc that they are Bini and watch what happens to right there

ggo to the Aromire family to seek knowledge pls
Internet can't tell yoruba history better than the owner of Eko himself