₦airaland Forum

tonychristopher:
Who will tell me the meaning of
Oshodi
Lekki
Idumagbon
Idumota
Eko


This question is for yorubas.


I will want to ascertain the no man land status of lagos

I think Benin owns lagos first

Am sure you are an history enthusiast
If it's not too much for you take a trip to Isele-eko and learn the history of lagos

Osodi and lekki arent even iin lagos(island) nw you lot are extending this Bini claim to all of Lagos state

Mee234:
They speak Igbo and bear IBO names. Unless u are told that a person is olukumi ,u will pass him up as aniocha person

they also bear Yorubic names

squaddy:
"The illiterate of the 21st century is not he who cannot read nor write but he who cannot learn,unlearn and relearn" Alvin Toffler.

This describes the average Yoruba youth who has been brainwashed into believing fallacies and only result to vituperations when faced with facts.

Nigerman1 do not bother educating these philistines.

Another mad man. You make silly claims and call them facts

Wat is fact about a mad man saying yoruba were slaves to Bini

rockingpink:
Nothing wey no dey dis delta state.

honestly. The state is a melting pot for major southern Nigerian ethnicities

chuna1985:
Bini people came to Lagos first.

Ok bt kindly furnish the records, the Bini descendants in Lagos who's ancestors came before the Awori
If you can't I have to call this what it is - trash

johnydon22:
alright i get the point... You are right tho... they colonized us tho, they imposed everything on us..

especially their religion

logica:
Na by force to insert yourselves in Yoruba history? Why don't you go discover yours? Yoruba's told a story mentioning a certain "bush people"; una say na una. Yoruba say no be una; una no wan gree. Na una sabi the story pass the teller na?

Lol

bigfrancis21:
You are merely repeating stories that have been told to you. A simple DNA test on a sample of 50 random egba males from abeokuta and the oluyares will solve the issue at hand.

I posted a DNA test result previously, on page 2 or so, of an Ijebu Igbo lady whose father happened to be 35% Igbo, and having an Igbo mother herself, she turned out to be 65% Igbo, and 25% Yoruba in her genes.

With the rate of marriage of Igbo women by Yoruba men, the Igbo gene is effectively being injected into the Yoruba gene pool, and in no near time, the Yorubas will be said to have partial Igbo ancestry, while the Igbo general genetic make-up will still remain pure.

sure what I've been told by the people who's history you are ignorant of
While you are merely repeating stories you read from the Internet blog of a man mad who doesn't know his igbo history
You have to be intellectually deficient to believe that writeup you quoted about Egbas being Igbos
have u ever seen an Egba tell you he is igbo
The 'gb' in the middle is what is driving you crazy.. o ma se o


And to the DNA stuff pls kindly furnish the name of the geneticist and company that organized the testing
And provide record of the girl's family hhistory, her father might be 2nd generation igbo hustlers who settled in Ijebu

royalcatier:
This is an impostor, Ghanaians have many problems, history of Nigeria isn't one of them.

Maybe

bigfrancis21:
Those were ex-slave returnees of Yoruba ancestry who knew where they were taken from and they returned home. This was also easily achievable due to the fact that Yorubas were taken the most into slavery during the latter half of the slave trade and towards the end of it, and they arrived to meet earlier slaves and their descendants who had been stripped of their african identities. Arriving at the end of slave trade, when strict slave policies were piping down and arriving in mostly portuguese-speaking areas (the portuguese allowed their slaves to freely practise their beliefs unlike the English that strictly banned and prevented any form of african beliefs and worship whatsoever), many of these Yoruba slaves still had their identity and religion fresh within their memories which they established in the new world. While not forgetting where they came from, some did indeed return back to Africa - Sierra Leone and Nigeria.

These Sierra Leone Yorubas (Akus) most likely didn't leave Africa.
The Portuguese actually went hard on yoruba slaves and tried to force catholism, it was the commitment and intelligence of the Yoruba that saw them through..they had to hide the Orisa veneration under the Catholic faith forced on them. .so began Santeria and Umbanda etc

bigfrancis21:
THE EGBA ARE IGBO-

Southwest Nigeria is commonly referred to as “ Yorubaland “ which is home to a mosaic of distinct tribes and tribal states who collectively form the present day Yoruba tribal identity, however the original Yoruba designation exclusively referred to the Oyo, a tribe who
at one time lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria.

In fact the word Yoruba is of Hausa origins.

Misrepresentations of Nigeria the Facts and the Figures by Yusef Bala Usman PH.D – Center for Democratic Development, Research and Training-

“ The fact is that the earliest record we have of the use of the very name Yoruba was in the Hausa Language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alfinate Oyo. Don Masani wrote a book on the Muslim scholars of the Yarriba.”

Over the centuries the Oyo were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerers of the indigenous people of “South-west Nigeria “ who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbo. The Southwestern Igbo were protected by an army of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba.

Olumida Lucas states that the name Egba is synonymous with Igbo. The indigenous Igbo (Egba) lived in the forest area surrounding Ife. The name Ife derives from an Igbo system of “divination” called Ifa. It was at Ife that the Igbo (Egba) were first confronted by Odudwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo (Yoruba) Kingdom at Ife.

At the time of Odudwa’s invasion the indigenous Igbo(Egba) resided under the leadership of Obatala whose name means the Oba or Obi Ala. Obi or Oba was initially an Igbo title of authority and Ala is the land deity of the Igbo. Amongst the Egbo tribes of Calabar the Oba appears in the form of the deity Obassi who is also called Abassi.

Like the indigenous forest dwelling Igbos,the present day Egbas are historically associated with the Obas. In fact the name of the Egba ruling council known as the Ogboni relates to the Igbo word Ogbonna which indirectly refers to an elder.

The Wikipedia Encyclopedia- “ Yoruba “

“ The numerous Egba communities found in the forests below Oyo’s Savannah region were a notable example of elected Obas though the Ogboni ,a legislative judicial council of notable elders wielded the actual political power” ( The Ogboni “ Cult “ played a central role in the Brazil slave rebellion of 1809.)

In their initial encounters the Oyo (Yoruba) were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbo) as these intimidating masked forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. In defense of their homeland the Egba(Igbo) went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.

The Egba were first defeated through the scheming of a woman named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo (Egba) King into revealing the secrets of the masked Egba warriors.

She later returned to the Oyo providing her countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) Kingdom. This defeat of the Igbo(Egba) is celebrated every year at the annual Eid Festival of Ife.

In 1835, the Egba declared themselves to be independent of the Oyo (Yoruba) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out
of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta.

As a result of contact between the Ijebu and the indigenous Igbo the city Ijebu-Igbo was established.The founding of the Egba Kingdom of Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last kingdom to be recognized within the “Yoruba federation of tribes .” By this time the term Yoruba had expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and now generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwestern Nigeria.

The tradition of the masked Egba(Igbo) warriors is likewise documented in Southeast Nigeria amongst the followers of the Egbo Society of Calabar.

EGBO- A se

Francis this is why I tell you to be careful what you read from the Internet

1 . Yarriba was first used by the Malians, Hausa don't even know where they got it from. Katunga is what they call Oyo(so the records say)
2. Oyo never lived among Hausas
3. The indigenous people of SW Nigeria were not known by one name
4. In what way is Egba synonymous with Igbo? Do you (or the writer of this message you quote) even know what Egba means?
5. When Oduduwa first confronted the "Ugbo" oranmiyan wasn't even born
6. Obatala = King of White cloth(Oba ti Ala). .not king of the land (Obi Ala)
7. Every yoruba society has Ogboni not just Egbas. Ogboni began in Ife
8. Egbas and Ugbo - Ilaje are different people
9. Moremi had nothing to do wit Oyo. .she never came from Oyo so why would she return there
10. Egba don't fight wit masks

ezeagu:
Not trying to stir the pot, but I always found it funny how some ancient landmarks and peoples name (which are undecipherable today) can be translated into Igbo. For example Ife in Igbo is 'light' and 'civilisation', and Odudu nwa in Igbo is the last child. No assumptions o!

Ife could also mean civilization in some context of yoruba

pazienza:
Onitsha is not being ruled by a Bini Prince, Onitsha is being ruled by Igbos whose ancestors once resided in ancient Bini, but returned back home when things went awry. Of course, having spent sometime in Bini, they became Bini influenced but retained their Igbo core.

Bini is not even older than Agbor, Agbor always stood up to Bini, they are not Bini,and there are no Bini princes in Agbor, Oza Bini people, know how they became a part of. Agbor.

Nnebisi the founder of Asaba had an Igala father and an Igbo mother, but Nnebisi and his descendants are but minorities in Asaba, for Asaba was already an Igbo town before Nnebisi arrival to the town, Asaba had indigenous Igbo speaking groups like the Ugbomas and the Eze anyanwu groups, domiciled there already. The wise Nnebisi unified all those Indigenous Igbo groups and established a United Asaba( Ahaba).

So, saying that Ahaba is being ruled by Bini prince is a gross display of Ignorance just like calling Onitsha a former Igala village is a display of tomfoolery. Onitsha was already an Igboland before the return of the Igbos in Bini, aka the Ezechime clan to the land.

Interesting! You would notice the identity crisis exist only wit igbo ares once under Bini

DrBulalaa:
Thank God I came across this. I am an Olukumi but problem is I know zilch about my culture and people. Please I would love you to shed more light.

You can try the Oloza and elders in ur town

babestella:
The bottom line here is that we are all one, brothers and sisters, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Efik, Tiv, etc we are all one. That is most important. One people, one nation, one love. Stop the hate and killings. Let's. Love our nation forward. Live and prosper anywhere you are, explore, discover and show love always. Period.

We are black africans but not one Nigeria
Stop ur delusions
If all ethnic groups are allowed to build their own nation and control their own land and resources we would be a much happier people

cbrass:
You are a Ghanaian and you are interfering into what you know Nothing of.

There's nothing wrong with a Ghanaian wanting to know about his fellow west africans

Radoillo:
Is this theory based solely on the similarity in sound between 'Igbo' (as in the Ife stories) and 'Igbo' (as in the modern ethnic group), or are there more anthropological/ethnographic evidence to go with it? I just want to know.

Lol obviously the confusion is from the similarity in sound

vanbonattel:
stop twisting and lying, ijebu igbo is a village in Igboland. Fact.

smh
Stop insulting ur ethnicity wit this shameless attitude
Ijebu igbo founders came from Ijebu-Ode royal house
And have nothing to do wit Igbos of Se Nigeria

riddler4real:
You are funny, so you think you can distort history with your fairy tale. I am a student of history and from what I was taught. Oduduwa came from the ancient Benin kingdom. Not the east. He was the royal heir to the throne. After the death of His father the King of Benin and the plot against his life by his half brothers, brothers and step mother, he left benin with his entourage and settled in a town within present day Edo state. That town shared a border with Present day Ondo state and yoruba was widely spoken there as their traditional language even as at today.

Oduduwa was gifted in magic and black arts, part of which gave him popularity everywhere he went. From there he gathered many loyalist whom he enjoined as his entourage wandering from one town to the other until he settled in Ife and became useful to them with his black arts and magic. He was made King over ife town, for helping them overcome in their time of urgent need.

After the death of the subsequent King in Benin, by an unknown cause, the chiefs requested that Oduduwa should return back as King, which he refused. So he sent his son instead, Hence the title Oba being used till this very day.

The word Oduduwa in Benin has several meanings. E.g The road to wealth and Great god....

Do you think Oduduwa is a yoruba word? or Eastern?

The Bini version doesn't fit Oduduwa
And there's no Edo presence in Ife unlike the Ife presence in Bini

babyosisi:
All these fairy tales
Where is the source of these "tales by moonlight"
Our history is more of myths and handed down stories that are told differently by different people with salt and pepper added
Not much documented evidence of anything
No body in Nigeria can trace their ancestry and origin properly
It wasn't written anywhere and oral stories are not valid

Many nigerian parents aren't even sure of their proper date of birth

Anything ever written is passed orally first. . Even the history of Europeans were passed orally
You are just a lazy and ignorant lady who finds history too difficult to dive in and give the excuse of oral is not valid

angelo82:
Don't mind that stupid analysis or should I call it magomago mathematical ways of laying claim to something that is not yours...........Something tells me those winrinwinrins might be asylum seekers in the ancient times judging from Yoruba hospitalities of peaceful coexistence............

Nah Iwinrin is one of the 13 villages of pre-Oduduwa Ile - Ife...it got integrated into the new system of a unified government
It's different from the Asylum thing

MannyAgyeiK:
Then, why did the Yorubas of that era call them 'Igbos'? Fine, I'm Ghanaian, but dismissing a theory cuz it's unfavorable to your tribe is a bit parochial and myopic. You could easily have shredded this with actual facts, instead of sneering at it with no objective basis. Your fellow Yoruba simply put forward a counterclaim about 'Ugbos' that was a fact, without ad hominem attacks. By the way, I read somewhere that Olukumi, along with Itsekiri, were initial settlements of Yorubas before they reached Ile-Ife, which explains the Yoruba link.

ok, am sorry But whether Igbos trace their origins to Ife or not It doesn't bother me neither is it unfavorable to my Ethnicity. .its just a shame some people resort to such historical distortion

Here's what the deal is
"Igbo" is the Oyo dialectical version of "Ugbo"
These Ugbo were part of the Ife country, (I personally believe they resided at the outskirts around modern Ipetumodu before Ife put the place under their control )
During Oduduwa's time (before he was king) the Ugbo began a rebellion, they attacked Ife but were defeated
Some generations later(Moremi) Ugbo began attacking Ife again but were defeated again, this time some prisoners were taken - these are the Oluyare of today residing in Obawinrin's land
The survivors of the battle retreated and formed their kingdom in modern Ondo state..today they are the Ugbo section of the Ilaje people

P.S they were called Ugbo(forest) because Ife saw them as uncivilized people living in the forest...like Greeks - Barbarians

Yes there's yoruba link between those two, I don't know about Olukumi origins but their language sure is a yoruba dialect
Itsekiri are Ijebu sailors who probably missed their way

dollarlander:
Sir/ma, I've come to the conclusion that igbos are not Africans they emanated from the ancient Palestine that why its difficult to tell their history. They have no history that can embed them effectively to the evolution of African, they have to go back to Israel.

Bros. Pls stop this. . We all are africans. ..black africans
Igbo nd yoruba infact have identical origins going back 4000yrs

it's jst a pity for the igbos that the sire to foreign religion is overwhelming the igbo consciousness...I see no reason why any igbo would claim hebrew if not for the Sire that comes with accepting a religion wit Hebrew origin

AreaFada2:
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Correction:

The Bini and hence all the Edoid tribes (Urhobo/Okpe/Isoko/Esan/Afemai/Owan/Degema in Rivers State and many more) DO NOT come from Ife.
If they did, Bini language would be much more closely related like the Edoid languages are.

Like you rightly said, Ife is called Uhe in Bini. Bini Royal Family and relatives, however, claim to descend from Ife. Hence the saying " Uhe obioba". Meaning the Oba is from Ife. As descendants of an earlier warrior Benin King, we're very conscious of it. Our morning greeting and accompanying "oriki" are constant reminders.

Though the Benin have a different version of Ododuwa as a banished Benin Prince Ekaladerhan who entered Ife from the East.Stopping temporarily at Owo. The Link between Owo & Benin , especially Royalty cannot be ignored.

Interestingly Benin is roughly 70 miles from Owo and Owo is about same distance from Ile-Ife.

Hopefully, our descendants 100 years from now will be less tribalistic and have more confidence in themselves as Africans.
Maybe, they will start to scientifically analyse and study African history with a view to deciphering migrations and foundation of Nigerian Kingdoms.

For now, we are still monkeying about with ideas of progenitors crossing seas and deserts coming from Arabia, Egypt, Sudan and what not.

You are right. ...at that time I said I "think" I wasn't saying more than my thoughts

If we continue to treat history this way our descendants won't even know their grandparents
It's a pity that the new cool is to claim middle eastern or northern african origin

bigfrancis21:
http://www.edofolks.com/html/osahon_oduduwa_controversy.htm

[size=8pt][/size]lmao this clown must be kidding me
quoting from a bigoted site of ignoramus
I want records not claims from edoworld/edofolks

Flytefalls:
She should have focused her argument around the impact of her mothers homosexuality on her life. But no, she chose to get it all muddled up with the realm of single parenthood. It detracts from the seriousness of her declaration to LGBT groups.

Where two sexes come together, there will never (naturally) be a child generated from their relationship. It ain't my business to concern myself with same sex relationships, but once a child is introduced, we cannot be ignorant to the fact it may be not in the child's best interest. Nothing proven as yet, but we cannot turn a blind eye to such issues.

But where there is a heterosexual relationship, children are created naturally and it can be that the couple will split and that child will have to endure life living mostly with one parent at home. Why should anyone advocate adults to remain together if it's obvious they will not be happy together?

She lost credibility with the above. Sorry.

I assume you are a lesbian. Am I correct?

bigfrancis21:
You are really slow. Descendants of Bini-owned slaves of 100 years back walk around in Yorubaland today bearing 'slave' on their faces for easy idenification, right? Dumb, huh.

Well just go around and identify descendants of ex-yoruba slaves to fellow yorubas living in Yoruba land today, and freely publish your findings and method identification tools and I will gladly use your tools and find those who were equally slaves to the Binis. Thanks.

Oh my! Ethnic bigotry and full on hatred for Yorubas has turned you into a fool. If you cannot identify any descendant of the so called "yoruba slaves" in Bini city today how can you justify bringing such a matter up? You cannot even prove this and you are here ranting like a dog

If we say certain africans were made slaves in the Americas, we know that because of the records and African descendants in the Americas
so pls as you say yorubas were slaves to Bini, kindly furnish the records and identify the descendants of such slaves in Bini city today

bigfrancis21:
I should identify bini-owned yoruba slaves of 19th and 20th centuries who have long integrated into the greater society today? You're really slow.

Identifying them could be by stating where in Bini they were made to reside? What household they labored for? Where they were taken from? Their homeland? their descendants today
if you cannot do this then you are the dumb and slow one here
you don't come here making assumptions out of your wild dreams

tpiadotcom:
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yes, the safer usual mentions which are randomly parroted on nairaland.

You for say the entire southwest, nay the whole world, was under Bini?

btw, where is this area of yours which you place under Oyo while assigning other people's area to Bini? And how do you correlate your Oyo claim with your nairaland Bini grabs?







seriously, you sound like you browse google and nairaland and obtain your info from there.

what's this one saying? ?? face the facts pls
I have no time for ethnic bigoted nonsense

bigfrancis21:
Are you this dumb? When a slave master has a slave, he OWNS that slave. Certain Yorubas were slaves to the Binis, and thus Binis owned those Yorubas. What's wrong with his statement in the first place? Or you just feel that you are obliged to reply every post irrespective of the thrash you're spewing?

and you are the dumb one here If you don't identify these certain Yorubas that were slaves to Bini
come on, what family in Bini identify as descended from yoruba slaves? Where were they taken from?

Fulaman198:


People of Yarba <> Fulani. Again reading all passages posted here, it sounds like your "evidence" is working against you. It seems to state that the Yoruba people were subjugated by the Fulani. The Christians being referred to, were they even Yoruba...... Yoruba have only been Christians for less than 120 years.

Pls stop embarrassing urself
nobody is claiming yoruba dominance, open ur eyes