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Fake prophet of a fake religion

The major reason is that young people have active minds and are in a stage where they begin to reflect on life. They realize church is bullpoo and move to more progressive things

Wulfruna:
It is not fair to say Revd Johnson just made it all up. As a matter of fact, he didn't. The version of Yoruba-origin story that Johnson used in his book was obtained from an account given to Hugh Clapperton by the then Sultan of Sokoto, Muhammadu Bello. That version appears to have been relatively well-known in Muslim circles.

Muslim propaganda but it is not fair to Samuel Johnson to say that it was he who just sat down and made it all up.

People often accuse Johnson of making up things, when most of the times he only related what he was told by the Oyo arokin of his day. What he was told was sometimes not accurate, but it was not he himself who originated the inaccurate bits in his book.

I guess you are right

trigar12:
The visit is irrelevant, the man is irrelevant .... No integrity whatsoever

and you have integrity? Just because he supported Jonathan and received a contract you lot wont let Gani rest

naijanoni:
May God Forgive you.I see your problem is Ignorance.

ignorance is everybody's problem. ..but u are more ignorant than I am

Zuluzulu:
Heard of how Orunmila climbed down a tiny rope from the sky, landed in Ife and a calabash of sand was all he needed to create the world?..... That's the origin of wisdom! Lol

PS: His roster scattered the sand that formed our continents......him scatter beta sand sand for America and Europe dem

Lol rants of the uninitiated

delpee:
@scholesO

Thanks! Rest of the interesting story please.

Been reading some Yoruba history lately. ..including how Lamurudu may have been Nimrod of the Bible! We are all interwoven in a way.

it's a made up tale by Samuel Johnson
lamurudu probably never existed

All this arguments are something you can put to rest wit a little research

How are Itsekiri/Ijekiri not part of the Yoruba family? Even names like Oritsefemi, omawunmi, ayo oritsejafor should make you think

1. Counting in all yoruba dialects are identical -this of course includes the beautiful Itsekiri
2. All Yoruba have a history that is interwoven- includes Itsekiri . Their migration from Ijebu tells it all
3. The very meaning of Itsekiri/Ijekiri - Voyage of wandering about
4. The Itsekiri king is still an Oduduwa descendant through the Omo n'Oba n'Edo
5. Every yoruba Speaker (regardless the dialects u speak) understand Itsekiri. I even understand Itsekiri songs better than Owo. .Owo has too much Bini influence
6. Itsekiri language is closer to Standard yoruba dialect than Akoko...yet you don't see Akoko saying they are not yoruba
7. Itsekiri communities have Yorubic names
8. Bare in mind yoruba dialects are all different so saying Itsekiri is not yoruba is like saying there are no Yorubas
9. Ilaje, Owo, Ondo, Anago, Awori, Ijebu watersiders dress differently from the major Yorubas too, so Itsekiri isn't the only one
10. The messed up political structure of Nigeria shouldn't destroy a people

DikSin:
how, you must be a sore loser if you think someone is more confused than you are; oloshi ode yanma_yanma

for a dumb idiott like you its no surprise

ProphetUdeme:
dont tell me that youre one of this people who believe in traditional african practices. You believe in ogun the gods of stone and iron? Do you also join the likes of macof olaochi folykaze and the rest to serve the gods of sango, iron stone, silver which cannot see or hear. The God of heaven whose hand your breath is, you have not glorified. His mercy is still out there for you not willing you should perish but you should repent and be saved. Jesus loves you

before ur little piece of trash dead jew There was Sango, Yeye Osun and the rest and they surely see and hear in measures you can never comprehend
Jesus is gay. ..only reason why he would love a man
disgusting fellow

isalegan2:
I think we have to separate Oduduwa, the king, from Oduduwa, the deity.

I've read more than one version of the Oduduwa story. I've even seen versions reading Oduduwa the orisha/god was female and the wife of Obatala. I will find the link.

We discussed it here: (BTW, Thanks, PastorAIO, for your explanation in the IFA thread. )
https://www.nairaland.com/590933/buzugee-nairaland-want-talk-living/73
https://www.nairaland.com/207887/ifa-philosophy/1


"(3) ODUDUA.
Odudua, or Odua, who has the title of Iya agbe, The mother who receives," is the chief goddess of the Yorubas. The name means "Black One" (dit, to be black; dudit, black), and the negroes consider a smooth, glossy, black skin a great beauty, and far superior to one of the ordinary cigar-colour. She is always represented as a woman sitting down, and nursing a child.

Odudua is the wife of Obatala . . ."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/yor/yor03.htm

exactly! This is what many don't realize when talking about Oduduwa
The deity is known by different names and both genders across Yorubaland

An2elect2:
i detest being called a negro doesn't translate to preferring the Caucasian or whatever tag.

That adjective sounds offensive to me. I cant take anybody who calls me or other blacks that seriously.

how does it sound offensive? Negro means black in Spanish and Nigga/Niger for Latin
it best describes us in their language

I guess Caucasians should take offense at being called Oyinbo/Ebo/Oyibo

9jacrip:
Yes, I was going to state on that thread that my questions back home proved negative - both are not the same, neither are they related.

There is this book/manual written by my uncle given to all Omo Ile Olorisa or Awo (&Ogboni Obatala) containing the chants, rituals, propitiations and sacrifices of Obatala and its Ogboni process - in it contains the Oye Ile (titles for male omo ile orisa and fenales) derived from the names of Obatala's children from the first Olufon (who left to start his lineage) to Oloja Iranje (supreme head representing Obatala at Idita Iranje - my family land/area from Mokuro to Ife/Ilesa boundary) with Obalesun the second in command representing Obatala at Iranje ile to the littlest, Leemo.

Obamakin/Obalufon were not mentioned in the work which was collated after 8 years of intensive research.

I'll snap the cover for you tomorrow for proof.

If Obamakin or either of the Obalufon were Obatala or connected to him, the chants of the deities would reveal this and the family compounds would share a bond meanwhile it is not so.

Yeemo's compound and mine share a bond till tomorrow and we observe it at every festival.

It is an eewo for Obatala offsprings/devotee to attend Oduduwa offsprings/devotee functions till tomorrow likewise Obameri, his general - vice versa.

Obatala and Orisa Ikire share a connection and we observe this at every festival.

I could list a number of deities who were BabaYeye's allies and otherwise
.

So you think sources that state Obamakin/Obalufon(sometimes considered one person) as son of Oduduwa are right?
But what if Obalufon is variant of Olufon?

Why then is the name Obamakin showing up around Obatala/Iranje
this Obamakin personality confuses me

Anyway let's not derail too much. .what's ur take on Jewesun? A herbs expert maybe

DikSin:
macof is confused

Not as confused as you

isalegan2:
All these names with "gangan" in them. What does it mean exactly? Is it pertaining to the drum, emphasis on authenticity, or something else?

(I really wanted my moniker to be isalegangan, but NL max was 10 characters when I signed up. Was hoping Seun would accede to my wishes and fix it for me during the mass username streamlining he did. I'm not even sure I asked him after I found out dude doesn't like name changes at all. I kinda understand sha.)

Surely it's different
different tone to the pronounciation of the words

9jacrip:
Are you implying a link between them or both being the same person

Either. Remember on that thread where I sited bits from what I grabbed from a babalawo on TV. .connecting Obamakin to Iranje

SOjaTHug:
when we express ourselves , we need not do so with harsh words. such is the way he has addressed you and your friend who have come to tell him god is God. he posted a dictionary evidence to you and you are now asking if you are babies, well you might be because understanding a simple difference is a very big deal to you bro. this is not a matter of noun or capitalisation, it's a matter of meaning and significance. conventional meanings of god and God cannot be altered by you or anybody.
The question here is if a God, god or gods even exist at all, so don't change the subject matter by your lack of differentiating between God and god

Let me without religious sentiments

Is Obatala a God?
Is Brahma a God?
Is Esu a God?
Is Jehovah a God?
Is Allah a God?

9jacrip:
@FolyKaze

@ Macof

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Ever thought of this excerpt:

Kutu Kutu Oba Ugbo

Osan gangan Obamakin

Obatala Oseremagbo


And relate(d) it to Yoruba hours of the day classification:

Aaro Kutu Kutu -- morning

Osan gan gan -- afternoon

Ah here's a point I've been trying to make. Osangangan and Obatala have relations

9jacrip:
Yes, it is the Ugbo you mentioned.
They were part of the original occupants in Ife before Oduduwa but they left to where they are settled now.

Although both sides corroborate the history, my grouse with it is that if it truly happened then it means Ugbo raided Ife for centuries since Moremi is said to have been an Offa indigene.

Aren't all Yoruba originally from Ife? or at least the culture began in Ife
I always imagined Ugbo as people at the outskirts of the Ife country, and they were subservient to Ife
Didn't Oduduwa's first encounter with them result from their terrorising Ife, such that Oduduwa engineered the victory of Ife?
I think this also brought him into prominence

Why would they terrorise Ife, if they were Ife
They seem to have already become a separate people organized into a separate nation during the attacks against Ife, probably left Ife many years before oduduwa And not during oduduwa

niceguy7:
U hv to repent and turn to God.....

Thank you, I am with God

mmsen:
How can I know about something that has never been proven?

What do you mean by spiritual or spirit? You seem keen on talking around the matter.

I don't claim to be an expert on this issue, just as I would not deign to be an expert on other myths and theories.

If you have proof present it. Otherwise you are just as silly as the Christians that you look down upon.

First you need to understand the meaning of spirituality, pls take away ur mind from religion.
Spirituality is proved by observation, it's not what you present in pen and paper

The religious society and media has destroyed u

tpiadotcom:
You obviously have many issues you want to discuss pertaining to gender.

Why dont you open a new thread for that instead of posting offtopic on this one.

yh shift the derailing on me when you started it.
You are the one with issues here

niceguy7:
And you shall knw the truth and it shall set you free
And that truth is called the "BIBLE"

Says the book without a reliable author

theAtheist101:
Nuclear power is generated from the conversation of mass to energy. As far I am concerned that is manipulation. Even if we went with influence, it means man influences god.

Sure, man influences god just as god influence man.

mmsen:
Do you have proof of any of these spirit beings? Who created these spirits that you speak of? What purpose do they serve?

Are you saying that rain dances cause rain? I'm sure you are smarter than that. There are people who have died in droughts who pleaded with their various gods for rain, to no avail.

Who is this 'famous astronomer'?

Just because people excel in one field does that mean that their knowledge is complete or that everything that they are convinced of is accurate.

you really don't know shit about spirits. You take it all this Christian and media conception of Spirits
Well, spirits are no magical beings that grant wishes or play dance hall. They are incorporeal entities that serve as integral parts of different aspects of nature

To prove the existence of a spirit is to identity the existence of that aspect of nature and understand it's principles, spirits sustain the universe

Am saying I don't know about rain dance neither do you, until you interview a rain dancer you hand nothing of note to say

You can read about Carl Sagan
If world renowned astronomers, biologists and physicists can acknowledge spirituality than you don't hold much on this matter...especially as you don't even know spirituality to begin with

niceguy7:
Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and life.....no man cometh unto God except tru Jesus.

Says a book with no reliable authors

KoloOyinbo:
I will address all your three posts in one to save time.

If JUJU worked you guys would be on top of the world! But it clearly does not.

Now you might fool people without an education who are susceptible to the older and more out of date parts of your culture but really...

Do you serious expect educated people to fall for this moronic crap?

As for your analogies with Christianity. Like all religions it can neither be proven and cannot be disproven. Juju can.

Now just try cursing me and see me laugh in your ignorant face at your impotence!

Sure juju works, it is learnt and can be improved upon
But Africa today is majorly Christian and Muslim, such religions that only relies on superstitions
without these religions Africans would rule the world. These religions have plunged Africa into it's dark ages like it did Europe

Light started coming to Europe immediately people began dumping the ridiculous dogmas of christianity.. But illiterate ones like u Irish slaves won't hand sense, you still want to keep hunting witches

Misogynist2014:
Read on wikipedia, not the same.

"Ananke" is derived from the common Ancient Greeknoun ἀνάγκη( Ionic: ἀναγκαίηanankaiē), meaning "force, constraint or necessity."

hmm true Literally it means "to force" "to compel" to make necessary
ultimately consciousness is not free will but a force, a compulsion Infact to exist within our being
Just like you didn't choose to be born but you had to based on necessity

Take it as a decree by nature
Consciousness of the universe is what makes us what we are, what we see ourselves, what we see our environment and what we would become, only time reviles
It is the consciousness of the universe that makes what will be - be
Destiny, fate

Similar to Yoruba concept of Ori

I don't know if you are familiar with Greek mythology but the fates(daughters of Ananke) are said to choose what everything was, is and would become

theAtheist101:
Really? Would we now argue English? What is your take on nuclear energy? Does that look like influencing anything? We are manipulating energy, jor.

Sure bro, I just sited that manipulation is a strong term to use
Influencing is much better

everything we do influences energy around us

I don't know much about nuclear energy but I know it involves a nuclear reaction from a change in atomic structure. We simply influence the energy released

KoloOyinbo:
You believe in Magic and you call me foolish? Seriously you do need to spend more time in civilization and less time in the mud hut!

The greatest civilizations of the world practised juju...not magic
Juju is an act of influencing spirits to ur favour. It's a huge part of Africa - Africa that gave the world civilization

You are a caucasian Christian bigot so I would expect you to try to tarnish the image of African beliefs like ur missionaries did

KoloOyinbo:
Hunt witches? Rubbish. Your information is several hundred years out of date just like your savage and ignorant beliefs in juju/MAGIC yes trickery and MAGIC all it is!

You are wasted

@ Misogynist2014

Your ideas are similar to Greek spirituality
the greeks observed that Time and consciousness (Chronos and Ananke) are infinite - probably the only things without a beginning