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9jacrip:
Ha LOL!

Obatala, alamorere tin mori omotuntun, jo wa bi wa tun ori wa se.

Bros, I cannot give you proofs since you're an Obatala initiate.

Esu does not own ase.

Obatala, Alabalase.

He is the one every other deities go to for ase.

Ogun did not make bones bros, his only role was that he paved way for Orisas when coming down to earth and he was war like.

You're mixing these things up.

I hate using online sources for discussions such as these as most writers are surface but google 'Alabalase' or ask your awo.

Ogun actually made bones

per1:
. I am not good at this pls I am sorry. We have better things to learn here. But take note I am a' fool' for CHRIST.

Refrain from posting nonsense on threads that don't concern u
You came looking for trouble

Fool for Christ indeed

KoloOyinbo:
To reiterate, in an EVEN SIMPLER manner to assist your limited understanding - I deliberately use the term Magic to illustrate how ridiculous juju really is.

Juju can and has been scrutinised. It has FAILED miserably every test. Birds falling from skies and turning into old women, BULLET PROOF CHARMS, money charms, etc ad nausiam. All your tantrums and screaming at me will not make it work at all nor will it make any civilized and educated person ever believe such primitive rubbish!

You may fool those who have been unfortunately denied the benefit of a proper education but do you SERIOUS fell that you can fool educated people who have travelled the world? There is little hope for you if so!

Scrutinised by who? Where are the reports?

It's only uneducated people who believe Virgins give birth.
all those examples u give there don't explain juju. Again u prove you are a foolish slowpoke who speaks on what he knows nothing about

KoloOyinbo:
Hunt witches - why waste time hunting what clearly does not exist?

People who believe in juju/magic have nothing to teach anyone. They just need to go back to school!

I don't attack African religion only the stupid, savage and ignorant belief in juju/magic.

Your displays of crass ignorance are really quite amusing!

Ur stuupid people still hunt witches as ur dumb religion instructed.. Even u know ur religion is stuupid.and all talks of things that don't exist
attacking juju is attacking African spirituality, you won't quit Calling magic juju because u are foolish
I already told u they are different and we call them different names as they take different methods
Magic is trick, just to entice and aren't related to shrines and spirits but juju is the real deal.
If you doubt it come over to Agemo or Ayelala shrine and scrutinise all you want

You cannot believe a Jew was born of a Virgin and hope anybody would take ur attacks on juju seriously

mmsen:
Spirituality does not exist to establish truth - spirituality is accepting ignorance. The reason why life expectancy was so low for much of human history is because of superstitious, unfounded practices such as trepanning, bleeding and human sacrifice that have no scientific basis.

People used to do 'rain dances' in several cultures - we now know that such practices are entirely pointless.

If you believe that your spirituality will save you then I hope that you never visit doctors or take medication.

And what do you know about spirituality? not only have you the littlest knowledge of what "Spiritual" is you also don't know the history and evolution it has undergone through ages and civilizations.. You just have a problem with it through your perception but there's more to spirituality than you think

A famous astronomer and physicist once said spirituality and science are not only compatible but the profound source of spirituality

Spirituality has preserved the lives of many before modern scientific methods and still today the ancient sciences can be applied in many occasions


And rain dances to achieve what? Have u ever spoken to one of such rain dancers to know why they dance in the rain? Or u just take delight in making assumptions aimed at attacking a people who are different from you

before ur very elevated medications existed spirituality held the solutions and the human race survived.. If they didn't work you would not have been conceived

theAtheist101:
Why would we say that? But if you oppose, then I would say man can manipulate god, as we do energy.

Manipulate is such a strong word, influence it's action seems better placed

tpiadotcom:
did I say it does?

My point was Yoruba is a patriarchal society, same as most of Africa.

you folks shouldnt try to sneak in some funny agendas here, seems like you want to introduce gender neutrality as part of your overall plan.

that is not african but maybe western.

besides, the thread is not about language.

if you want to prove your point, why dont you ask masquerades if they are gender neutral.

There's no gender inequality in Yoruba. There's division of functions and separation of powers. Women have their own cults too
Many women began cults and created positions for women alone

Akin1212:
Hmmm laughable......
How about the ones started with lower case eg god.. I know nouns starts with upper case, but in the case of God and god, it serves a purpose. You should be the one opening yourself to knowledge...

So we all should go crazy because of such religious sentiments

Take this in...

Jehovah is a God
Zeus is a God
Obatala is a God

Yet in the original Bible - Hebrew language, the word Elohim is used in all cases
whether Yahweh o, or Baal...all we called Elohim

Stop ur nonsense. People who know better than u are talking

FOLYKAZE:
Thanks for the challenge

Exodus 22:28

King James Bible reads
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

English Standard Version reads
“You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

KJV reads thou shall not revile gods while ESV reads thou shall not revile God. This is coming from the same Exo 22:28 and it proves they are one. That is what is been referred to as gods is the samething as God. Unless you want to prove the bible is wrong.

Elohim or elohim it makes no difference. Christians should seek knowledge

niceguy7:
Stop this and fear God........Jesus is a consuming fire..

Why should I fear ur Jesus, I don't fear dead men, I don't even fear the living

Stop being afraid of your imaginary god

theAtheist101:
First, you make it look as if time is absolute, which is not. The time we conceive is relative, that is, its origin is with an event. That is the why we have so many calenders.

If god came into existence at a zero state of time, what was in existence at a negative state of time -- the before-god time? If nothing, then why nothing? Where did god get the energy to spring into consciousness, and energy to create the/our universe? You Bible verse claims he is everlasting, yet his creation is not, why?

The main fault I noticed in your argument is that anything everlasting shouldn't have a begin -- just like infinity.

We can say that the God or better the Creator, is Energy itself

niceguy7:
U need Jesus in ur life.....

Yh I need Jesus to kiss my ass

remember007:
do I need your permission to make comments on nairaland? pls get busy and stop suffocating me

Just like I don't need permission to quote whoever on nairaland

Akin1212:
Lol, seriously ? I think you should listen more to yourself. "There's no difference other than the capitalisation".. Isn't the capitalisation a difference ?
The difference the capitalisation gives is what I'm talking about, you can't overlook it

How were you taught to write? Am sure your English teachers took time to tell you to always begin a noun with capitalisation, so writing "god" is a sign of idiocy or lack of education

In real sense however, just as Goat and goat mean the same thing, so does God and god

Try being open to knowledge

mmsen:
Why is what the 'whites' do your barometer for what is right and what is wrong.

Pleading gods is a sign of foolishness. That people are buying souvenirs does not mean that they have any true value.

this is not about whites. If the idols of the God weren't useful nobody would buy them for such large amount...I think I saw 20million
who buys something of no value for 20million naira?

Pls quit your dishonesty

niyi20:
Wrong dis ode irele not all Ondo . there are places in Lagos that still worship idol do u tag Lagos backward for that??

Nobody worships idols.. You morons don't want to ever learn
It's the Gods that are worshiped not the idols

remember007:
Pls don't quote me next time mr

Then you shouldn't comment on such threads

niceguy7:
Go n read john3:16

it doesn't answer my question, how has your life become better?
Don't give me nonsense verses from a book of no truth
But give me facts about ur life

KoloOyinbo:
No proof. No dis-proof hence we call it FAITH.

As for magic and JUJU (same thing to any intelligent person)

No proof LOT OF DIS-PROOF!

While people like you delude yourselves with this nonsense your development will be held back by your inability to face reality.

funny how this ode keeps talking about what he knows nothing about..intelligent people don't talk in matters they have no knowledge of. You are so lousy and foolish
A fool like you don't know what being intelligent is

you should rather ask people who know about the topic to coach you on it's principles and descriptions, rather than open ur gutter to say thrash

What disproof do you have to juju?

There's a whole bunch of disproof to your stuupid dogmas of a religion and your so called miracles
Only a bigot would appreciate ridiculous tales like we have in Christianity And come attacking African beliefs and practices
You dumb Irish who still hunt witches and rape little children

KoloOyinbo:
I chose Magic deliberately. Juju is also merely a trick. Get an education before you start calling others illiterate!

Fools like you will believe just about anything!

You fool, juju and magic aren't the same thing
We know both and call them different things here.

Juju can be scrutinised- many have done that and come with good report, many have witnessed it first hand
But magic is a mere human trick for entertainment

You don't know what juju is. you only know magic

theAtheist101:
Where did you get your data? Anyway, i was only calling his attention to the fact that those who wrote the quran must have read some Bible's books, to consider the inclusion of the Bible's "great" prophets.

From everywhere that discuses Christian history

mmsen:
The purpose of science is te establish the truth.

To claim that scientists do not debunk myths is an outright lie.

Spirituality serves identical purpose. But before scientific methods, spiritual methods were used and they yielded excellent results

Scientists refer to myths - Greek myths on many occasion

But you won't see it because you choose to close your mind to it

KoloOyinbo:
Not telling anyone about their religion mere commenting that Juju/Magic and rubbish like that does NOT EXIST. ALL educated people know that the world over. If Nigeria is to progress then she must rid herself of these ignorant superstitions.

Tradition is OK and ceremonies for entertainment and tourists but to believe in Magic?

You are so foolish. Magic is different from juju u illiterate
They have different words in African languages

Magic is merely a trick. You don't know juju

Omode ri Oogun o n'pe l'efo

KoloOyinbo:
Not telling anyone about their religion mere commenting that Juju/Magic and rubbish like that does NOT EXIST. ALL educated people know that the world over. If Nigeria is to progress then she must rid herself of these ignorant superstitions.

Tradition is OK and ceremonies for entertainment and tourists but to believe in Magic?

You are so foolish. Magic is different from juju u illiterate
They have different words in African languages

Magic is merely a trick. You don't know juju

tpiadotcom:
Thats an erroneous view because african society is overwhelmingly patriarchal.

Yoruba is not an exception, males and females are not considered the same.

You just like arguing. What starfulx stated is truth Yoruba language doesn't recognise gender

mmsen:
A cultural that ignores scientific investigation and jumps straight to baseless 'spiritual' causes is backwards.

And the forward scientific investigation has done what in this case?

Even scientists and researchers don't debunk Myths, many actually refer to myths to guide their research
Many "scientific theories" have been known in spiritual cults for ages...so yh backward because it's ancient doesn't mean useless

olushowunm:
If they need Jesus [a white man god] then why r the whites buying the gods?

not Gods but idols, you cannot sell the GODS

ewizard1:
@pagan9ja should relax joor... Do you have to insult and say all those dirty words to prove ur self right?

Just state your belief and let them understand.

#Simple

How long would we keep trying to get them to understand? Let religiotards refrain from insulting the Spirits then those like pagan 9ja would relax

SonOfDavid91:
The Bible has described it all that "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because thou hast rejected knowledge". Hosea 4:6.
I wonder why some part of this world are still putting themselves in this idolatry bondages and thereafter, they will say it is deity of their ancestors!
It is what they are still worshipping in ondo state that is endangering the residents life(Malokun or whatever it's bn called)
Ondo Idolatry worshippers, you are suffering from the sins of iniquities (Exodus 20:3-5, Matthew 5:17) of your so called ancestors. You can't be serving God & gods at the same time(True God & Mammon's), decide to follow Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth (John 4:24) and He is able to deliver your land from this unknown assassination disease.
Light and darkness are not friend, The hour is now for your liberation.

you are one of those destroyed by lack of knowledge

Our ancestors don't have any sin, sin is a Christian crap brought to cage the African man
If ur Jesus is powerful and you trust that you should go lead a team to Irele screaming the name Jesus let's see how far

TheBlue5:
http://igboisrael..com/2010/08/igbo-israel-origins-history-and-culture.html?m=1

Quote from a reliable site if you must resort to internet

adamskutty:
No! No! No! Someone tell this people that this act is barbaric , This is horrible, disgusting and profane.

Tufiaaaaaakwa!

The gods are lifeless woods.

Witch hunting by Christians is barbaric
Child molestation by catholic priests is barbaric and disgusting
Opening a church business because you are too lazy to look for another job is barbaric

fool Gods are not lifeless wood, the wood is not the God

TheBlue5:
I did show proof you just deny it,

All of those:

•The Ancient Hebrew writing on the foot of the throne (And yes my Jewish friend can read it)
• The Nigerian coins with the Star of David
• The Stone throne of Gad

And I also read that some Igbo male tested positive for the Cohen DNA (Aaron brother of Moses's DNA) your just ignorant.

1. Such writings Haven't been scrutinised as to when it was likely written
And all we see are internet pictures..hmm

2. Nigeria is not igboland pls.
we also have cowrie on some of our currencies, portraying a true African people
We also have Arabic on some currencies..yet we aren't Arabs

3. DNA by who?what are the names of the people specimen was taken from? The names of the geneticist?
Is it the same anonymous DNA testers that said Yoruba have Eurasian gene
Such nonsense