₦airaland Forum

KazukiIto:
That's because it is niqqah! Wole Soyinka didn't win a Nobel with pej. Our languages are inferior. Ur post is clearly written in English abi?

Even WS loves Yoruba language and culture, if u read his work and follow his activities, you would know that he's all about "Yoruba"
the man is even a proud traditionalist so u got no case here

starlingleanets:
It no easy na to combine dad's dialect,mum dialect's and come top am with Tribal dialect. You see i give up on speaking my dad's dialect nd remain content on my english language as a matter of fact i gave up on Yoruba. When u look at a d negative effect of those dialect u will join my group; There is this beautiful Lady,so endowed then in our computer centre,she got addicted to dialect that she cannot say "How are you doing" without skipping like crack CD despite she schooled in a private school.

If there is need to speak my dialect i will do so but if talking to people i had use my english supplied with small high vocal.

Doesn't matter...surely speaking multiple languages affects each other in proficiency nd ur common accent but ur father's language is first.
It's totally disgusting nt to speak ur the language of ur ethnicity

mhyra:
I Don't fully understand my language.. and I wish my children would understand it like xoxo... how can that be possible.. please advice.. no ofiennce

Take them home during holidays and seek help from the elders...they won't only learn d language but culture nd history

jonezz:
What can we do?Since every gadget are been Made by these English people we just have to follow follow.

Lmao
I can bet China alone makes more gadget than all of Europe combined

It's about will brother, Africans are unwilling to stand up for the sake of their identity and heritage

Divepen:
Although lecturers and student of the linguistics department are trying hard to make sure our languages does not die, it is up to you to keep our 527+ languages from dying out completely and being replaced by a foreign language: English.

I think some languages need to die in order to create a better cultural assimilation in some parts of Nigeria...
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't wish for Africans to forget their language for a foreign one but rather another African language better organized, popular and spoken by more people

KLand:
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Jesus is alive forever more. Neither your unbelief nor your skepticism can silence that fact.

You couldn't have been a Christian, as you claimed, and still talked like this. I am sure that what you had might have been a form of religion, but nothing close to what Jesus Christ truly represents. That's why you sound so so dissatisfied.

Of course if you never made Jesus your Lord and personal saviour, what you had was a dead religion, which I agree wouldn't have helped you. I think you need the living Jesus in your life. It will make a whole lot of difference.

Lol dead Jew who supposedly lived 2000yrs ago still alive
In space right?
I remember when i was so dumb to believe this...thanks to Ori I was freed from mental and intellectual slavery and dependence

You don't know me more than I know myself, so when I tell u i was a die hard lover of Jesus once you best believe but of course you could keep deceiving urself as if thousands aren't leaving christianity on a yearly basis

There's no such thing as a living Jesus, it's all up in ur dogmatic and brainwashed mind...a delusion infused on u most probably from childhood...If Jesus being alive is a fact, I believe facts are backed up with evidence...pls tender some here or forever remain silent

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery and face reality, The Europeans brought religion to ur lands and successfully caged ur mind worse than they did Africans in Americas, at least many still have their mind intact and still affiliate with their ancestral heritage

itstpia100:
tribes are not defined by numbers but rather by the fact of colonization.

it is futile to take offence at a depiction when you know the reality remains what it is.

Rosikke is right...You can't refer mega African groups like Yoruba, Hausa Igbo as tribes...these are Infact cultural nations on their own

Abuamam:
I am not talking about your pagan religion here. I am talking about different ethnic groups only being divided along tribal lines in Africa.
Gulf Arabs segregate according to their family lineages or Religion, not tribe. They all speak more or less the same language. Hindus are segregated based on the caste system; sort of like the osu caste system among the igbos, but more complex; not a tribal system.
Only Africans are segregated according to tribes in modern times. Although, we do hear occasionally of some undiscovered primitive jungle tribe in the Amazon jungle etc., but there is no emphasis on tribalism in other continents.

Perhaps delineation according to tribe in Africa, was a divide and rule tactic used by the colonialists. Sort of like the Hutu/ Tutsi divide encouraged by the Belgians.

BTW, there is no evidence of the Catholic church enforcing inter-ethnic marriages anywhere.

We can't really say it's the catholic church's doing but it was rampant at the church's imperial period...the Holy Roman empire, Britain.. comes to mind

Faith is the assurance and confidence in things we expect. But there's always something that gives us this "assurance"...it's either we gain this feeling of confidence through thoughts or by weighing the sides and going totally for one...with faith there's no room for doubt because ur mind has already gone through that and conquered it.
With faith you can bring others to ur beliefs without threats and fear but laying factual points that appeal to their cognisance.

You can't preach "have faith" to others or teach them how to have faith, you can only teach them what led u to faith and it's left for them to acquire that faith

Faith is not absence of proof but trust without reservation, that is to say complete limitless trust and this can only be attained when you have factual points, undeniable facts that you have seen that suggest it's plausibility...even when u haven't seen that thing u have faith on...say it is yet to happen

Example could be Having faith in Chelsea beating West brom at home, knowing fully well that West brom are injury stroke and have an even weaker team to face in form Chelsea.

KLand:
I am aware that there are fetish practices everywhere in the world. But that doesn't make them right. As an African born one has been involved in such before .....but not anymore........

I wasn't really asking people not to practice their culture. I said Christians should not be involved in the ones that contradict their faith.

I do not preach religion which is man's way of trying to reach God. But rather I refer to Christianity which is God's way of reaching man, through Jesus Christ.

You said you hardly care about Christianity, but I am sure you would if you really understood it as a relationship with Jesus Christ, who is the only way to God. I know that sounds offensive to some people, but that's the truth as revealed in the BIble.

As for your reference to Catholics, well, I have my reservations too. But it is better to let them speak for themselves.

You call my believe false. Well, once again that's your opinion. So no offence.

you need education cus am sure you don't know the meaning of "fetish"
Chk d dictionary and you will find out that Christianity is very much fetish

You said Christians shouldn't practice their culture...there's no two ways to what you are saying

Speaking nonsense...christianity is a religion, as such you are preaching ur Master's(European) doctrines

Jesus is dead and useless, I know this. As an ex-Christian I know all there is about the religion and the mind of a typical Christian as I was once one

Of course your beliefs are false, there's more than enough points to buttress this

Weah96:
Your phone is God. Your vehicle is God. He's trying to engage in semantics and derail the thread with foolishness. He knows exactly which connotation of God atheists talk about but prefers to engage in this game where he goes around calling household items and celebrities God.

No. You use the word "God" when it means tons of things to different people.

If u wanna tackle Abrahamics use the name they gave their gods...God is a title that affects every thing spirituality, at least when we speaking English

Weah96:
He doesn't mind presenting absurdity as rationality. The iPhone is God, too according to him, because it happens to be a very influential thing. If you follow his logic, or lack thereof, you will soon realize that there is no limit to what can be God. Even your favorite pillow or pair of shoes can be God.

Actually yes, since everything is conscious and capable of being exalted in it's glory, then yes there's no limit to what can be a God

I was watching spartacus just yesterday and people revered him so much exaltation that it was said "he becomes like a God"

nice one Op but jst before I begin to read then comments, I want to say this.

God/Gods are labels or Titles, anything can be a God to anyone, all that's needed is exaltation and worship
There's difference between God and The creator

In Yoruba, we don't have a word for God, but if I must fit one into a translator it would be "Orisha" which when broken down means "selected by Ori" or selected consciousness" referencing their status as Stand outs in glory and exaltation
however we have words for various Energies/Forces which have come under personifications with the lives and times of some Great ancestors

a God may not exist but you can't deny what the God is said to represent...take Ogun lakaye Osinmole for instance...he is said to be an Orisha wielding two swords clearing the path of life, forger of bones, brains behind metal work, a man who baths in blood and his eyes soaking red, one who touches the blood with his tongue first, setter of the earth's foundation...all these are of course nt describing an existing entity in the sky but a personification, of certain aspects of existence...thorough study will prove that all there is about Ogun in his Pataki and Oriki as connected even scientifically...all having to do with Metallic elements

So don't take the "God" seriously but what it represents

KLand:
You are entitled to your own opinion, but don't take it beyond bounds. As Christians we don't partake in cultural practices that are fetish in nature. We do only things that don't contradict our faith and belief. And we owe no one any apologies for that.

It's nt jst my opinion..I hardly care about christianity.
the problem here is discouraging other sons of the land from their ancestral heritage.
This christianity does, and it's nt Christians(or more appropiate, Europeans) that would describe fetish to us.
I see more fetish in European culture than African culture, we are more spiritual and nature-minded than them, as such we understand The creator even better, and use much less "idol" references...jst take a look at Catholism as a perfect example...even the common priest is practically worshipped

jst as u feel u owe ur false doctrines of a belief, we also owe our ancestors, ourselves and our coming generation

koyyess:
Looool...no be the same gods of your fathers dey declare themselves as peoples spiritual husbands and wives?Old man, you have a lot of reasons to appreciate christianity other wise, you and your children would have been living a doomed life. Before you die, try and acquire a little wisdom and knowledge by reading books on your own.

Lmao can u prove the bold? What Deity has claimed to be ur mothers spirit husband?

koyyess:
Sounds like a description of yourself only Clueless is the word I would use to describe you cause you can't be tagged as anything, not even as an atheist. Your illiteracy is just oozing all over thiS thread that it would be much better conversing with a brick wall. I know your kind- a weak,immature ,stuupid african oldman that loves to have the last word. I'll leave the floor for you to display your show of shame. Next time you want to argue about this same topic,make it concrete- start by stating the achievements of the 21st century african traditionalists/atheist, then we can talk.Skirting around you say? Guy, only faaggoots use such phrase. No wonder you are so pained about christainity.

In all ur posts u had nothing to say about the atrocities of traditions

KLand:
Not all aspects of our culture are idolatous. But some clearly are. I don't see why a Christian should take part in Igue festival. Better things to do........

then a Christian is another term for bastard, if Christians shouldn't take part in their cultural practices

henryadex:
When you talk about our culture we are talking about our deities which aren't related to God of the bible
So judge for yourself

Good. You have admitted that the God of the Bible isn't the Creator of the universe our ancestors have worshiped for thousands of years before christianity

dublinkmy6:
if idol worshiping was a good thing and had no negative effects on the worshipers, it wouldn't have been losing it's popularity. Just a point to ruminate on if you have the cells.

there's nothing like idol worshipping.. We Africans don't do idol worshipping..it's the Europeans who call us that to intimidate us
We are proud spiritually conscious people, Africans taught Europeans all they know..but years after we have Africans as mental slaves to the same Europeans...pathetic!

dublinkmy6:
No celebration, activity, e.t.c. Is evil or idolatrous except it glorifies something other than God.

And what do u understand by "God"
I guess only what u do in ur church is good

Funjosh:
Hey, who is omoale

Mind you am a typical yoruba man and becos you cant realy comprehend my post doesnt warrant you to refer to me as a bastard.

Read and reread my post so that u get full understanding of it

Oh! I didn't call u a bastard..our ancestors did.
A man who lacks that Omoluabi way and rejects his ancestors is an omo-ale..so that's what you are, it's nt jst a mere word..it describes u right now

M4gunners:
For years we have been practicing it, we end gaining not.Now it's time for God not idols.

Slave, ur god is nothing but an idol

jonescyras:
Blame western world and hellenization!......




If Africans and africa weren't colonized!........believe me, every religion, culture, norms and our traditions will be observed respectively at the best of it peak!.........






















AFRICA,,,,,,, SLAVE TO HELLENISM!!!!!!!!

Exactly! There's only one term for those who hate their African identity - Mental slaves
It's saddening that these bastard slaves are everywhere in large numbers

PerfumeRepublik:
I agree with you to an extent , but there are still a handful of those practises that are interwoven with idol worship. In igboland most of these practices have evolved, when Prayer Liberations are made you see them maintain the traditional market days , and in the stead of their ancient gods they mention forefathers/ancestors.
People still take the Ozo title in which sacrifices are made to the gods of the land and once Sunday comes,they still go for thanks giving at the church

Wat practices? You freaking hypocrite, why not go to Europe and quarrel over the idol worship of Christmas that Europeans brought to our shores, or Halloween, Valentines, Easter, Thanks giving, October Fest or Arabs on Eid El Malud, Eid El kabir which they also brought to our land.

we are Africans and must identify as Africans, if u are ashamed of yr ancestors then bastard you take a way one trip to Iceland and never return

Funjosh:
*modified*

We dissociates ourselves from our cultural practice because of the fetish way of their worship, yet we still bear names (ogun, osun, oya, oje etc) that associate with these Idols SMH.

Idiot. Cultural practices are a way of life of a people...their mentality, their character...

u are a slave however, my ancestors called children like u Omo-Ale...so u can't possibly know what culture is, you have no identity, u lack history and lack pride...many of such omo-ale exist in Africa today due to the brainwash of religion, their non-existent gods and their false doctrines

It's to be expected that Africa will continue to suffer and lack progress until it stops playing "follow" to the West and Arabs

I am proud Yoruba, African, and I love my ancestors and will surely name my children after their Great fathers and mothers, and train them to the Omoluabi way...so omo-ale, we Africans should give our children African names in honour of our ancestry and identity

Ifeann:
Your points are weak and poorly researched. As a skeptic, you do a bad job of convincing anyone with any modicum of intellect and willing to investigate.

I am well aware of the truth,my grand parents were, my parents are and believe me, my kids will.

Cheers buddy.

your opinion. But then I don't intend to convince a dogmatic Christian like urself cus that would be like pouring water in a basket.
Let those who have a Great spirit seek the truth and know it

Ifeann:
You say. "Your quotes are false, there's no single validation to it."

Prove it, prove I made up those references.

You say "My links are backed up by every non-western sourced article u can find about Chairman Mao."

That's my point. U back up your silly opinions with silly website articles. Ï have written an academic dissertation and if you were to write one and back it up with website articles, you will fail. Go to google books, or any .edu site and provide credible references.

You said, "At least u admit the catholic church has an evil history, one that needed cleansing made men like Hitler."
NO, I don't agree. I said its has not lived up to expectations. Even the catholic church knows this. Evil history as u put it is a grave exaggeration.

Finally, you agree hitler "cleansed the church" an euphemism for killing clergy. Congrats to you, u once again defeat your arguments.
You have no points my friend.

Oh! I have made all the points in relations to this topic but blind religionists like urself find it hard to accept truth in the shame of ur religion.
I understand the state of mind u are of right now...I was once there, but truth is stronger than dogmatism. Eventually if you don't accept the truth your kids will

kabiyesiii:
How could the name "Yoruba" be of Hausa origin? Let's give Samuel Johnson a break. He was away for a while due to slavery, and despite the circumstances, he did the best he could do. Some of his mistakes in "The History of Yorubas" were not intentional. What of the 21st Century historians we have today, what kind of archeological research are they doing, and what are their references?

Hausa called Ọyọ Ile, Katunga. Hausa would definitely call the the people of katunga, Katunga-bawan. How did that then change to Yoru-bawan (Yoruba)? Even the often quoted Sultan Bello of the Sokoto Caliphate would not explain that.

Yoruba people were known as ANAGO, from the ANAGO language we speak. Mali and Ọyọ Empires were contemporaries, and they had diplomatic relationship. And it was from Mali, that the name "Yoruba" was first used to refer to ANAGO people. As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" appeared in treatises written by the Great Songhai scholar, Ahmed Baba, in the 1500s, that refers to people that speaks ANAGO and its dialects.

An ethnic group is usually known by what its neighbors call them. Germans don't call themselves German, but that is what their neighbors call them. And Chinese don't call themselves Chinese, but that is what outsiders call them. Same with Finland (Suomi), Hungary (Magyar) and Japan (Nippon).

At a much later date, the "Yoruba" name filtered to the Fulani, and to the Hausa, to the Europeans and to the rest of the world.

It was through Mali, that Yoruba first encountered Islam and muslims. That was why Yoruba called Islam "ẹsin imale" (religion from mali) and a muslim is called "imale" till today. It is because of muslim fanaticism that Yoruba now call Islam "ẹsin imọle" (fanatical religion). Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL, Salafist jihadists, Wahhabism are case in point.

Yoruba were excellent traders. Ọyọ traders were all over, and were nicknamed the "Jews of Africa" (no pun intended). Their remnants, scattered all over Africa, could count (owo ẹyọ) into millions. I would love to know how they were recording those transactions. I hope i still have the genes of these computing geniuses. Our historians need to go to the Library in Timbuktu and translate many of the manuscripts w.r.t Yoruba (Ọyọ), for posterity, instead of "attaching" Yoruba history to the biblical/semitic crap. Garbage in, Garbage out.

The question then is what is the meaning of "Yoruba"? People are usually known by something distinctive about them. A Yoruba returnee group, that settled down in Liberia and Senegambia areas, are known as the "AKU". Yoruba have greetings for everything, and each greeting starts with "Ẹ Ku / A Ku". As a result, their neighbors named the Yoruba returnees, AKU, because they always say "A KU" every time. And the name stuck. Yoruba and their greetings, embedded in their DNA. Yoruba call themselves "ọmọ karọ-ojire", because of their greetings.

Our Ndigbo neighbors nicknamed us N-GBATI (when) because we say that a lot.

To "stand your ground", to "draw the line in the sand" when push comes to shove, YORUBA would say "yo ba iya ẹ", "yo ba baba ẹ", "yo ba ipọnrinpọngba ẹ", "yo ba idile yin", e.t.c. From this common saying, was how the name "Yo(ru)ba"was coined, and it became synonymous with these Great People, of the Great Empire of ỌYỌ AJAKA.

Ọyọ Ile, itself, was derived from "ibi tio yọ" (slippery place). Ọyọ Ile is not the same with Agọ Ọja (present ọyọ). They are as different as night and day.

The Yoruba of today is 180 degrees, out of phase, with the Yoruba of old.

Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you very much for this brilliant piece not the pseudo-Yoruba history we have people posting here and claiming authority.

If only we had more of u on the culture section

Ifeann:
Wow, u just want to stay ignorant. I provide you with book reference on hitler you provide me with some silly weblinks listing information based on peoples opinions. nonsense. Any child can get information of the web. There are websites claiming Santa clause is real, but is he. Maybe you believe that too conspiracy theorist.

You say you have Germany friends that have told you this and that, are u serious? Dude I schooled abroad I have tonnes of British friends, I can say the same nonsense you said but I won't. Anything they say its opinion until proven as fact.

I won't address other points you raised because I am tried of correcting you.

However, I will agree that the catholic church hasn't perfectly lived up to expectations in the past. I have always known this. Have you always lived up to high moral standards yourself. We are human and will always err. But I thank God he put the church back on the right path. let me quote what one of the sites said about the church before criticizing its past and I quote," This list is not a denunciation of Roman Catholicism, which dates back to Christ Himself. The Church today is a VERY HONORABLE institution. But there are a FEW moments in its history when it did not live up to its OWN HIGH MORAL STANDARDS. This list constitutes an honest, unflinching look at some black moments in Roman Catholic history.

With this friend, I rest my case.

Again the dishonesty and why are u running away from my questions?

Your quotes are false, there's no single validation to it.

My links are backed up by every non-western sourced article u can find about Chairman Mao.

It's left for u to accept truth or lie to the shame of christianity.

At least u admit the catholic church has an evil history, one that needed cleansing made men like Hitler.

Ifeann:
You have said 2 things that show me that you are either ignorant of the facts or you are being intentional dishonest.

You say Mao is the most celebrated man in the Asia where is your data to support this. I deal in facts and figures not personal opinions. He caused 70million deaths but to you it means nothing.

I said he is the most celebrated man in modern history. this isn't my opinion, I couldn't care less about him...but for the Chinese, he remains an immortalised political and military idol
www.beckyances.net/2012/09/top-10-most-influential-people-in-china-times-2/
www.themost10.com/important-leaders-in-20th-century/
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10537651/In-China-Chairman-Mao-still-bigger-than-Jesus.html

Most of the hatred against him, has been propagated from the jealous West.

Again I ask how did atheism cause this?

You say hitler was catholic till death but you won't provide credible references on this while myself on the other hand have provided validated quotes and books showing he was an idealistic atheist who hated Christianity.

ur quotes have no validation. I have German friends who have discussed this with me. He was a damed catholic...no valid book would say Hitler was Atheist or non-catholic
Ur quotes are false

Would a catholic kill people for no reason. NO, Its against their doctrine
Would a catholic promote Germanic pagan worship. NO, Its against their doctrine
Would a catholic commit inc.est. NO, Its against their doctrine
Would a catholic promote hate. NO, Its against their doctrine
Would a catholic commit suicide. NO, Its against their doctrine
But hitler did all these things and more.
You obviously want to deliberately remain blind to the truth.
Stay in your folly if you wish.

Yes, a catholic would do that, Hitler was one of such catholics, many priests also...I don't know wat they teach in catholic churches but by history we know the catholic church is the most evil and corrupt organization...why do u think it's imperial period is called the DARK AGES?

www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2014/03/some-of-roman-catholicisms-worst.html?m=1
www.listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/

Read the links and know just how disgusting the history of the catholic church is.
corruption of the worst, which Hitler helped set straight today...at least to a considerable degree
The catholic church needed cleansing, this Hitler did

italo:
I have given you a link to read how Hitler persecuted the Church. Have you read it...or have you sworn to die in ignorance?

I have given you a link that shows how Catholicism invented Science. Have you read it, or have you sworn to die in ignorance?

As usual, no proof of anything. You just open your mouth and talk like a drunk.


Preserved by Catholic monks from Barbarian destruction.

Oh! I knew u would deny it..but then such is expected from a dogmatic Christian

Ifeann:
You are quite stubborn. lol . Look its okay to be wrong. We learn everyday and our opinions evolve as more facts become apparent. Your support for atheism is WRONG and its time you accept it.
Apparently you can NOT find reasonable evidence to defend hitler as your ideals about him crumbles under the weight of my superior argument. Now you want me to educate you on Mao Zedong. Look if you want an ideology to fight, fight Islam because in an Islamic state under sharia law atheists such as yourself will be forced to say the shahadda and convert to Islam or be executed. As it was the case with the ottoman empire. Islam is growing in the UK, France, Germany and many other multicultural western European countries largely due to immigration and exponential births.

Just a point to remember about Mao Zedong, his rule caused the death of an estimated 40–70 million people through starvation, forced labour and executions, ranking his tenure as the TOP (Number 1) incidence of democide in human history. But I know you would like to focus on the beautiful, polluted and corrupt modern china he helped create. Just as pagan/ atheists Nazi Germany became the economic hub of Europe after Nazism eliminated 7million Jews and countless others.
Do you see a pattern here with atheism. Or do you just chose to be blind to facts.

Pls address this.
Mao remains the most celebrated man of modern history in all of east Asia due to his socialist policies...we can't of course leave out the horror of the millions lost but this same acts have made China what it is today
But how was this driven by atheism?
I want to know

Back to Hitler, pls I don't want to have to waste my data looking for links...jst spend a few hours reading about Hitler...he was a catholic till death