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tolustx:
U don't understand religion at all. That's why u talk lyk dat. And are u comparing religion to a computer set? That's totally wrong.

Every program u load on a computer will only work on it "if and only if" it is compartible. U can't load a 64-bit software on a 32-bit system, u won't load windows 8 software on a system dat's windows XP, etc...That's showing u a flaw in ur own example.

The religions don't ve d same root. They don't ve d same beliefs. Not d same holy books. So u can't jst switch btwn them.

Jesus has sent we his followers out to preach d gospel to all. That takes care of the buddhists, d muslims, etc. The ultimate thing I wanna tell u is dat "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can get to God except tru Christ"
Peace be unto you...

Every little child is compatible to any religion
when he gets old it becomes difficult to evaluate and decide the authenticity of his religion because he is emotional attached to it
Any moment of doubt becomes work of the devil

2cato:
I get ur drift. Jumping from one religion to another is not bad for somebody who do not believe in God like you the op.
I ask you again when last did you threat malaria and typoid fever

This is dumb
Wat makes u think ur God is true and others are false? All u stand for as a Christian are baseless emotional sentiments attached to ur God from childhood
For all it's worth, try Pagan spiritualities, particularly that of ur ethnicity

loco4love:
I PRAY IN THE NAME OF ELSHADDAI AND YESHUA THAT YORUBALAND WILL BE FREE AND INDEPENDENT BEFORE MY FATHER DIES. AMEN


YORUBAS BE FREE AND INDEPENDENT. IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN 1 NIGERIA. YORUBAS FIGHT FOR YOUR UNITY, SEPARATE FROM NIGERIA.

Instead of praying to Yashua- a jew who has no business with u
Why nt get up and do something

Join the struggle, nothing can be done with prayers alone

GenBuhari:
Why would we not place our culture as inferior after hundreds of years of colonialism.

Actually before colonialism, Africans have accepted Islam and christianity in large numbers, killing themselves over different religions and betraying their people, colonialism was jst icing on the already prepared cake

GenBuhari:
It does not necessarily follow that the adoption of religion is always due to being conquered and enslaved.
There may be other reasons. I can speculate that perhaps all it requires is for a very influential African leader to convert to Islam and spread his influence.

I never said adopting foreign religion is due to enslavement..whether physically enslaved or not it's a sign of mental slavery to adopt a foreign religion that has nothing to do with ur race or ethnicity, it's totally wrong..u have jst placed ur culture as inferior

muafrika:
Even worse is when you drop your meaningful, historical African name and in exchange take a vain name of a foreign culture.

But a correction about worship. They did not bring a new God, for Christianity. They just introduced a new way of worship. You would note the name of the supreme/Creator God acknowledged by Africans remained the same in all tribes.

I once attended an ancestral worship religion? Creepy, esp when they start addressing the dead directly.

And wats wrong with addressing the dead? Many movements are underway on the possibility of using modern technology to communicate with the dead

iamord:
When I talk of atr. I mean ifa and co. We need to picture what the future will be like . And we have to shape it. For me I want to see the atr practitioners as I would call it. Use their gifts in medical science,astronomy and innovations.. Be masters of the art. Just like we have in india . The likes of soyinka have done it in the literary sector

yh u right, African spiritual philosophies aren't respected by the larger population of Africans so it's very difficult as priests aren't given a voice
There's more adherents in South America and the Caribbeans than in West Africa where the true slaves lay

gbadexy:
Winsh. Aje is actually jinns. Its the source of powers of witches and spiritualists.
The elder (agba) I interacted with was literally also elderly and was titled. he was also learned. I doubt if any of you online could have a fraction of the knowledge he had of ibile.
The white ajes or jinns actually do go to heaven to liase with angels and take prayers to them to. I actually really did found the whole thing fascinating before but my problem with traditional worship is that they don't worship the creator but praise deities.
Just know that the forces that operate in this world are mostly jinns. They however have various level of powers. They have male or females too; like the ako and abo ifa. Ifa is basically white jinns.

Good finally a reasonable person answers me
U nt exactly correct tho
Aje are spirits that can be manipulated by anyone through ordinary prayer
Witches themselves are possessed with Aje of the black energy (black doesn't mean evil) but I don't see any similarity with ur Arabic Jinns

Your know nothing of Yoruba traditions and spirituality. We honor the creator which we call Olodumare, Olodumare is made manifest through these deities, you can't get all of Olodumare in one place, it's only in bits, this bits are the Irunmole (sometimes mythically as Orisha), wat do u think the white Aje represent? It represents Obatala or is it Ori? Sorry am nt sure
But my point is Obatala created humans and Ori holds human(actually all things nt jst humans) destiny and spiritual prowess
I have seen places where Obatala is referred as the owner of human Ori until u get initiated into another cult
So am a little confused on the white aje, but am sure it's nt Ifa

iamord:
True Talk
My question is this. If they can revamp and reform this ancient writhing. Why can't we do the same for atr?

ATR? Is there really ATR?
I see it more as African Spiritualities cus if u really get to understand the philosophies u realize it's nt a religion

you probably mixing traditions and culture to it..hence "traditional religion“

sammieguze:
Even twitter reckon with yoruba language. Yet some people will still be forming with fake irritative American accent.


Btw....
God bless me...
God bless the yoruba race...
God bless the federal republic of Nigeria

Bros abeg remove that last part

God bless the future Oduduwa republic

Horus:
[img]http://3.bp..com/_TFdF--fOnx8/SOsgSl_XVXI/AAAAAAAAAP8/JuU1HRDHZd0/s1600/lock.jpg[/img]
Ramses as an adolescent youth with the side-lock

https://nubianhairsupplies.homestead.com/hair14.jpg
African youth with the side-lock

Perhaps the curious feature about this cultural expression, is that the youth side-lock is strictly an African custom, and the fact that the ancient Egyptians shared with Africans south of the Sahara this custom, is significant.

The little boy is of what ethnicity?

Beautiful most of West Africa should use this form of alphabet, it should be well developed to fit in with different accent and tonal variations, but I don't see this possible.
Everybody seems too sired to Europeans and Arabs

GenBuhari:
Does the fact that some Africans adopted Islam automatically mean that Arabs conquered Africa? I think not. If adoption of religion is proof that a nation is conquered then why did India and Arabs countries that were ruled by Britain not adopt Christianity?

Stop letting these European Devils write our history for us.

And whenever there is anything in our ancient history that is positive, then they would ascribe that to Arabs or to themselves rather than giving our ancestors the credit.

You just make sweeping unsubstantiated statements backed by no evidence other than the facts that some parts of Africa practise Islam.

Sure, when u accept a foreign religion you have put their culture as superior to urs

Only slaves dump their ancestral worship system for a strange foreign one

sleemoon:
For wiki
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
U still never believe? Den watch dis video on YouTube... Pls mk sure you don't watch it alone and not in the night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6nWmvwS8XI

Your video was useless.

I repeat there's no alujonu in Yoruba culture, only Arab slaves know of any alujonu

Shankboye:
really?

yes.

amiskurie:
Just shut up and read if you dont know poo.atleast your assertion are baseless.
He backed his with thousands yrs old Quran verses.

And wat is the Quran supposed to prove?
My assertions are baseless? U fool...ur Quran is baseless

gbadexy:
They actually exist outside Islam. This further gives credence to the religion for me.
I've been opportuned to interact with an elder some years back and what is called Aje in yoruba is the one who possess these jins that carry out their wish.
There are three types and the white ones which are the good types are the ones ifa worshippers use for divination including most of these white garment churches and alfas that do so.

Wait! I want to understand u properly
Do u mean Aje,the child of olokun or Aje the spirit of the Iyaami?

Horllamideh:
Alamu gidi ni eh,if spirits don't exists in yoruba....What are d explanations for Egbere,Emere,Iwin and dia kind??,are they also derived arabically??

Pls we talking about "alujonu" or wats the name again

Is Alujonu the same as Iwin, Egbere or Emere??
Take in mind that you need to provide us with their characteristics to prove ur point

letu:
macof do you even know that Arabs of pre-Islam era, their history and origin are highly rooted in the Kushit/Hamatic civilization eg east africa.

Well I don't know much about that, I never liked Arabs

Anyway I was jst trying to get those supporting the Op eg. Rosikke to see that oral history and books tell of Africans keeping slaves even before Europeans came to Africa

Shankboye:
I don forget say u be Igbo!

Actually I am proudly Yoruba

9jawear:
They stole our culture, our ethics, our symbols, was wondering where the usa coat of arms came from

Americans foundation was truly built with Ancient Egypt in mind

Shankboye:
go tell this in ilorin, I'm pretty sure they will show you on ur works with jinn.. Seek knowledge before talking... Go to ilorin, and ask this same question..u will probably welcome a visitor in your house overnight

Ilorin is a slave camp, a place for cursed bastards and confused people

When I talk Yoruba, a mean pure Yoruba devoid Islamic nonsense

GenBuhari:
You are wrong there has been proof presented in this very thread that Africans had a writing system before the arrival of the European. But you say it was introduced to Africa by Arabs , so what? All that matters is that we had a system of recording our own history.

Even your claim that those ancient Afirican writing system were introduced by Arabs is without any foundation. Nobody has provided any evidence that Arabs ever conquered any part of Africa.

I never said African didn't have writing system...of course we did, I only claim we had nothing on history.
but u looking for African written source devoid of caucasian influence to back up the general belief that Africans were into slavery long before caucasians came..this u can't get

Arabs did conquer Africa, through Islam. As the Islamic religion spread so did Arab culture
That's what you get for accepting foreign religions

APC are behind boko haram. for buhari to win, watch how boko haram would disappear

We however can't let this evil.man win...vote for GEJ

ROSSIKE:
I'll just put this incomprehensible gibberish down to your low IQ. I'm happy to discuss the topic with individuals whose brains developed past age 6.

You have nothing to discuss

igbo2011:
https://www.nairaland.com/973985/nsibiri-pre-colonial-writing-south-eastern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge'ez_script

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroitic_alphabet

Check out those writing systems.

Also learn about Timbukwu with alot of writing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heh_91lhenA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLcQsobtG0

Yh I know all this. The issue is, there's no known script written in any African writing system on history before the arrival of caucasians
Without this the OP has said any other thing doesn't count

ROSSIKE:
You think like a cow. So the fact that you are typing in English now means that whatever you are writing is influenced by the English people or by whites? Is Arabic itself not a derivation from ancient African hieroglyphs? Does the Meroitic script of Nubia not predate the Arabic script by nearly 3,000 years? When the mighty Sphinx at Giza was being built by black Africans 10,000 years ago using advanced mathematics, geometry, and hieroglyphs, did Arabs exist? Who really taught who? I mean, I really don't know where to start with you. You know nothing yet you keep coming here to proclaim black inferiority as if you were cursed or something. As for ''the Malian records speak of slavery'', that's another piece of gloriously inane dross. WHAT RECORDS ON EARTH do not ''speak of slavery'' from the bible and koran to the Sanskrit texts and the Egyptian Book of the Dead, plus a thousand other works? The word slave itself is derived from the European word slav. Slavery was the NORM across the entire globe for thousands of years up till just a couple of centuries ago, so why on earth would ''the Malian records'' not ''speak of slavery''? Really, you have issues.

It's ur father that is a cow olosi. You never stick to one argument do u? Always running around as it suits u
You as an active supporter of the OP, you asked for evidence of slavery in Africa without any white influence, I replied Africa has no written records of history before the caucasians came...you then talk of Timbuktu scripts which shows how dumb and stuupid you are for supporting the OP in the first place
1. Timbuktu manuscripts are Arabic-. the OP, which u support, has already stated to do away with historical records involving white man's influence. Any thing written in non-African language is made up and not authentic evidence according to the OP's logic
2. The same Timbuktu library has scripts speaking of slavery in Africa by Africans

So why support the OP on his claim that slaves weren't sold but caucasians forcefully took Africans into slavery? That is wat I want to know
Here's ur previous post

The op actually raised a very good point, by
highlighting the rarely acknowledged fact that
the story we get about slavery is actually the
white man's account. I'm not aware of any
African derived historical accounts - written
or oral - which state categorically that
Africans sold slaves to the whites. It is books
written by foreigners that make this claim.
How do we know they're telling the truth? Do
we actually trust them to tell the truth, and if
so, why?
Why would a ship armed with cannon and
mortar stop at a coastal village and look to
buy anything when they could simply order
the local king or chiefs to supply a given
number of young adults or face instant
annihilation?

Ukutsgp:
i know u are very sick. Can u now go and cure ur sickness. I dnt even know why i'm replying a dumb and silly post this?

am sick? Well am nt as sick as the man waiting for a ghost to make him understand words written in English

GooseBaba:
I think he can perform some "ghana must go"with clean naira notes...

But Atiku get big head sha....

A pity! This Obas are jst disgusting me by the day

Ukutsgp:
u dnt understand the bible. so quit being foolish.

I understand the Bible more than ur dead holy spirit that is sucking ur brain

Given Aare of Ogun's city Wat was the Oba thinking?
can Atiku perform any traditional duty to Ogun or the people?

mcfynest:
CHRISTIANITY ISNT A RELIGION TO CHRISTIANS, IT IS A TRADITION, IT IS AN HERITAGE, A CULTURE, A WAY OF LIFE.
DO YOU KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE JUDGED FOR EVERY OF OUR FRIENDS WHO WE DIDNT TALK TO ABOUT CHRIST? I LOVE(PART OF) THE TRADITIONAL RELIGION, IT IS OUR CULTURE, THE YOU KNOW HOW THE GOSPEL SOUNDS TO THOSE THAT PERISH? WELL AM NOT A JUDGE, ALL I AM TELLING YOU IS TO PICK A BIBLE, READ AND UNDERSTAND YOURSELF, AND COMPARE THE BOTH.

N.B MY MUM IS FROM THE OJE(MASQUERADE) FAMILY IN MODAKEKE, MY DAD IS FROM AN AYAN FAMILY(DRUMMERS). AND I HAVE SEEN BOTH RELIGIONS AT WORK.

So much idiocy and contradictions in one post.

If christianity is ur culture and not that of ur ethnic people people (yoruba) then u are a bastard and a son of a slave
You can't claim to respect traditional religion when you have already disrespected it by ur act of bastardry and slavery
You worship a dead Jew wat my ancestors would have sent u on a one way trip to Israel for
And u claim to love Yoruba traditions such rubbish