₦airaland Forum

tpia1billion:
what do you mean by "our" Yours and whose ancestors?

as per omoluabi, its interesting an oponu like you is presuming to use the term

Keep asking me...it's nt my fault u lack basic knowledge of ur ancestors

theunusualmoon:
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what other thing can your five senses not sense....
Or could it be that your five senses are only sterile when it comes to sensing GOD?

Your problem is you take "God" too seriously, so seriously that u are now dogmatic
But u fail to realize there's a difference between "God" and the creator

Emusan:
I believe this increases the more join Nairaland so the truth of the matter is this, you're never a Christian but just Church goer.

Through out your life as a Christian, have you ever be baptized by the Holyspirit? I guess the answer will be no because if you are you will never doubt the existence of God.

"Wherefore I give you to understand, [size=14pt]that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."[/size] 1 Corin 12:3

It's better you regain your salvation by enter into serious prayer and get delivered.

And pls tell, what does a man have to do to be accepted as a Christian by u?
Cus even as an ex-Christian myself, ur talk of holy spirit disgust me as it shows ur weakened intelligence due to religious dogmatism

The muslims, hindus, African traditionalists, Chinese, Shintos(Japan), all lack ur holy spirit yet they have their own beliefs of what is holy and worship the creator in their way nonetheless...many of them live better lives than Christians, contribute far more to the world and live morally
What then can we benefit from ur invisible spirit that doesn't exist anywhere other than the pages of a book

christemmbassey:
don't look for religion in christianity, yes the bible contains a religion, its called 'Judaism' the religion of the Jews. Gal 1. Maybe u were practicf Judaism and thought it was christianity. Christianity is not a religion, its a new way of life dat Jesus gave us to live for God and humanity. Its simple, easy and meaningful.

Same old tricks and lies...
Christianity is a religion of the Bible, wat makes it different from judaism is it's inclusion of the new testament and absence of some core Jewish ethnic culture

Judaism itself can be argued as not a religion because it's an ethnic standard, ordinarily only Jews by ethnicity are Jews, like Hindus are Hindus(Hinduism)

Islam is pure Arabic culture sold to the world as "worshipping the creator"...such fraud

learn the history of christianity.@ajfive, you'll only find it's coning transitions from judaism to a new religion over the centuries past by Europeans especially with the catholic church, which happens to be christianity's biggest player

The OP is very misleading

bigfrancis21:
Idoma and Igede are classified as Idomoid and sounds very different from what you have just claimed. Listen to the Igede language here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of3R5LCH6fw

Actually to agree with u in contrary to what illicit posted...
Idoma(which I have heard severely) is closer to Igbo than Yoruba

NobleG1:
This Boko Haram problem is not gonna end. The only solution will be to split Nigeria into three nations:. Igbo (Biafra), Yoruba (Oduduwa) and Hausa (Arewa). And let the Huasas fight BH for their nation's survival.

When Nigeria eventually splits it would be into 5...adding Niger delta and Middle belt

tpia1billion:
Yes, you are very sneaky.

but you're also overconfident.

anyway, like i said, the info is not yours to steal, desist.

what's this ode saying?...if u got a problem with this beautiful thread, then go create your own and let's see it without flaws

Bridgetown:
Youngman you will not provoke me to insult you never, you day of retribution is near.

oh! Pls shut up

obiZEAL:
No need for that....two of them will be cooling off in kiri kiri come february.
I trust GMB

Ode...Jonathan won't be relived of his duties until May...that's if Buhari wins

These are the illiterate supporting Buhari, illiterates like their Master

yemaldo:
For what exactly?

Buhari should be in jail
For the deaths of hundreds of Nigerians at the aftermath of his 2011 bid

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Bridgetown:
Pastors should leave politics for politicians, too many prophecy for 2015 and they are all contradicting themselves saying different things.
I am seriously fed with Nigeria politics of region, setiments, tribes and religion.

Tunde Bakare is a politician and pastor, that's what he is...so he should stop being himself because of ur dumb opinion

Kei144:
The topic of this thread is somehow complex; complex because advanced spiritual knowledge is required in order to correctly answer the question posed by the title of the thread. There are two spiritual kingdoms that have influence on mankind, represented by the two trees in the middle of the Garden of Eden. We all know that Adam and Eve chose to follow the way of Satan. Virtually all the descendants of Adam and Eve followed the kingdom of Satan. In those early days, knowledge of God was still available, but most people were not interested in meeting the conditions for drawing near to God. Only rare people like Enoch, Noah, and eventually Abraham cared enough for God to attempt to meet His conditions. With time, people began to lose knowledge of God. By the time of Abraham, only Abraham had enough faith that was acceptable to God; so, God chose Abraham for perpetuation of knowledge of His kingdom on earth. As time progressed, the rest of the world knew nothing about God and all followed the kingdom of Satan.

Abraham had two sons; Ishmael and Isaac. Apparently because Ishmael's mother belonged to a people that were deeply covenanted with Satan, God knew that Ishmael would not be able to follow Him acceptably; so, Isaac was elected God's remnant on the earth. Isaac had two sons; Esau and Jacob. Esau related too closely with and married a woman from Canaanites that were too much involved with the kingdom of Satan; consequently, he could not concentrate on the way of God. That was how Jacob became the only son of Isaac to hold the light of the knowledge of God. All the children of Jacob (renamed Israel) were elected to be the people of God.

Why were other people not included in the people of God? It is spiritual affair. Other people are deeply covenanted with Satan. Their environment was ruled by Satan. Satan makes it very difficult for people under his domain to seriously follow the way of God. However, people in ancient times that moved to live with Jews were able to join the people of God, because Satan's influence on them became minimal. Even Jews, due to influence of Canaanites (who were covenanted to Satan) also abandoned the way of God to join the kingdom of Satan.



In 2009, I had a dream in which I knew that there was a virgin land located to the south of Israel. The virgin land was also located to the east of my fatherland and was separated from my fatherland by two countries. I also knew that my people (Jews of Nigeria) and Israelis have the right to go and grab portions of this virgin land a their personal possession. It is very easy for Israelis because the virgin land shares border with their country; whereas, for my people they need to get visas for the two countries that separate my fatherland from the virgin land. I saw myself in the dream telling my people about the opportunity to grab a portion of the virgin land. I told them that getting the visas for crossing the two countries is very easy. Then I woke up. I couldn't understand why it was easier for Israeli (white) Jews to get to the virgin land than for my people, until recently. Just like @Macof wrote in the quote above, white Jews are descendants of Jews that returned from exile in Babylonian. Their ancestors forever rejected Satan and accepted Yahweh as their God. Jews of Nigeria are descendants of Jews who were not exiled to Babylon, but went down to Egypt (Jeremiah 43) against God's word. So, our ancestors got deeply covenanted with Satan. Even though we are Christians today, the deep covenant with Satan by our ancestors still limits how close we could get to God. The two visas that my people must get has a lot to do with ancestral covenants with Satan.

From what I have explained here, you can see the implications of descendants of Ishmael that were deeply covenanted with Satan suddenly springing up a new religion (Islam) and claiming that God has suddenly chosen them over the Jews and gave them new laws. Wonderful!

madness

Read ur Bible well. Anybody who tells u that Yahweh is God of all is a candidate for the Hell he peaches

Chk out all u can abt d history of that god Yahweh, he was brought to the Hebrews during the time of Abraham by Kenite travellers who later settled in midian and initiated Moses to it's cult
Read the Bible, Moses father in law wasn't Hebrew but he was a priest of Yahweh

Read ur Bible, The early Jews recognized other gods but sake of covenant they worshipped exclusively Yahweh, occasionally going back to worship other gods. It wasn't until the return from Babylon at 5th/6th century BC that the Jewish elders like Zerubabel proclaimed Yahweh as only existing god

Before the Hebrews came to Canaan, Yahweh was worshipped as one of the 70children of a much greater deity called El Elyon

gatiano:
Nice one bro, i really love to know more, especially the histories or the story about the deitie and the relationships between all the deities or ancestors. I'm not 100% sure for now, but with the knowledge of the deities and their relationships with one another, We can have a full knowledge of chemistry. example- Ogun is metal and can also be class as alkali metal, Sango is fire (can go with the group where nitrogen is situated on the periodic table, Yemoja is water (liquids) and the Osun (lakes and gases) etc. whiteman's chemistry is incomplete as it deals with three states of matter (gas, liquid and solid), But the blackman's chemistry is complete though we have forgotten, it is complete in the sense that, there are 7 stages before the creation. ('Obatala- magnetism', Sango- electricity, Oshosi- light, Eshu- ether/space, Oshun- gas, Yemoja- liquid, and Ogun-solid).
I do not in anyway mean that the deities were or are non-existance, but we give them less credit than they deserve, because i see them as greater scientists and of supreme knowledge. thankyou.

Beautiful. I believe what u are trying to pass across is that The Imole represent many universal elements known to science today.
In the past, our ancestors learnt science through spirituality, we presented now scientific facts in so called myths and symbolism thereby the foolish sons of today cannot understand and they make crazy meanings to them and some even utterly insult the knowledge of our ancestors by calling the Imole demons, dead spirits, wood nd stone etc.
I blame foreign religion and it's false doctrines

What many of u fools attacking these "superstitions" is that you fail to realize

1. many of these ideas are made up to put children in order
2. Some of these have actually happened and the people take to caution and spread the news, overtime others view it as mere superstitions

more useless traditional rulers of no value. Government should take these fools out

All these the OP posted is rubbish! Best u stick to worshipping ur Jewish/European god in English because ur beliefs aren't consistent with Yoruba language and culture

Take "olorun emi mimo" for instance...in Yoruba this is jst stuupid cus "emi" strictly refers to breath of life...that which grants sentience...and The creator Olodumare is not sentient as such can't be refered as "emi"

Asorodayo and Atorise doesn't refer to Olorun but Orunmila baba Ifa

"Olorun omo" that's jst funny...Olorun is no son to anybody..
The name "Olorun" Doesn't jst mean "God" it means "owner of the spiritual realm" and in Yoruba this God is nothing like the god of the Bible

quest003:
i would also like to know, is it a cult?

Ifa itself is nt a cult but in order to get first hand exposure to Ifa you need to be initiated as an Awo(Ifa priest)

5. Tele - to follow
9. Ara - Thunder
16. Imale - Malian
17. Iwaju - front
19. Suru - patience


These 5 from the 22 in the list are pure Yoruba words...
"Imale" being wat we called the Malians

Funjosh:
If only we can consult an oracle

Brilliant point. Where in Odu-Ifa was "Yoruba“ mentioned to describe us, as it does now?
All these people killing Yoruba history on this forum just make me laugh

Instead of looking to Yoruba culture for Yoruba history, they look at middle eastern cultures for Yoruba history

Oduduwa here is pure spirituality and filled with much symbolism

Odu Ogunda make it clear that Oduduwa is the 16 cosmic energies known each as Odu
Oduduwa here is not the king from the east but a spirit during creation, according to our ancestors, Oduduwa was made to bring about construction and reanimation of the physical plain...after Obatala had tried his much..
Infact most Ifa priest call this spirit "Otete"..by who's power existence came to earth.

According to the Yoruba creation story, Olodumare planted Odu in the world, but it was chaotic as it came with a blast moving fast and needing control, so Obatala was sent to follow up using Odu to set up stars, the stars were however chaotic until Otete came to put them in order and set a boat filled with the remaining Odu to carry existence to all parts of the universe, expanding and animating their structures...in all Otete aka Oduduwa possesed all 16 Odu from Olodumare, and whenever the Irunmole needed the power of Odu, they came to Oduduwa

Oduduwa parented Yemoja, Aganju and Ogun

muafrika:
Al Kibula.

Before "Africa," this was the continents name.

Oral history.

From what tribe did you get this oral history?
It sounds Arab

Bluetooth2:
Omo ale - bassstard

are u not the basstard supporting a fulani that has put so much trouble for the Yorubas

ogaofficer:
Mr fasehun thank you. G. M. B 2015. Mr jona who you think is fit and capable has tried bt not withstanding we want to change our pattern and style. Gmb 2015

Change to Islamic shari'a pattern and style?

Upon all the money their papa get two of them no fine

waldigit:
You are celebrating year defined by whom you claim never existed. Indeed every kneel is already bowing!!

The calendar that says today is new years day was defined by Pope Gregory...I have never said he never existed
So I don't know what you are talking about

Faru:
This controversy has already settled itself. What is needed is application of common sense and logic. Considering the era in question it's impossible for a total stranger to be crown a king in an already established empire. secondly, the Benin empire predates any known Yoruba empire and lastly it's a common fact that the binis established Eko (Benin word for camp).

Hypocritical liar. You feel so comfortable stating that Binis can't accept a foreigner as king..pls was Oranmiyan from bini? Or Ife?
Was Igodo from Bini or Oru(ijaw)?

Your pride is in Eko, u either forget or don't know at all that Bini chiefs in Eko were on invitation from the aborigine Awori. Also Edo(Ado in Yoruba) means Camp in Yoruba

To all of you quoting me...that's ur damned business, I've spoken what it is.
I am Nigerian and don't engage in more 5 of these things

Btw it's only common sense to note that "Nigerian" is not an identity that reflects common character, we are different people from different regions and ethnicity...there's nothing like typical Nigerian...what applies in Enugu can never apply in Nassarawa

Happy oyibo new year to you Pagan 9ja

DickDastardly:
Please this is brutal abuse unless done by consenting adults themselves on themselves. In as much as we need to retain our culture it need not be forced on innocent gullible children. They need to be allowed to reach 18yrs and then allowed to choose to look like wild cats or not

circumcision that is written in ur Bible as a command should be done only by consenting adults themselves on themselves

Fulaman198:
I know what you mean, like the Fulani people in North West (not North East where I'm from) who have forgotten how to speak Fulfulde in favour of Hausa.

Don't u think there's more unity and understanding as the people speak one language there?
That's the biggest reason why Nigeria as a whole is a mistake...when we can't understand what we are saying how can we understand ourselves?