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Ihuomadinihu: That was a rhetoric question subject to further examination.
Maybe we are waiting for some Western Linguist to prove it,lol.
We are only look for similarities bwt igbo and bantu,cos we believe bantu slightly influenced igbo.

I've been away for.long I just realized the argument has gone past Igbo being bantus

TonySpike: As a digression, could there be link to Bini too. Bini say "Mina" to mean "Me" and the Zulu use the same word also.

I read once that Oba Ewuare went to Congo could be a connection if there's any truth in that

Ihuomadinihu: I know am not the only one that is tired of this thread,but we wanna have a decent discussion or even smart argument. Why can't Igbos be bantus? Uptill now,you have no solid evidence. I find it downright insultive that you consider my inputs 'trolling'. If you feel distrubed you can just walk out of here without snide remarks. I believe we are here to learn,that i quote you does not mean it should swell your head.

No reasonable person would conclude that Igbo are Bantu Because there's no proof

Abagworo: Igbos are semi-bantu. The term "Bantu" is widespread as word for "mankind" or "people" which in Igbo is "madu". At least the similarity is clear and becomes even clearer when applied with Akpo dialect of Ikwerre which is "Bandu" for "mankind". Some other variations are "Manu", "Vadu" and "Nmadu".

And no expert would imply such based on these
Efik-ibibio as semi-bantu yes, ogoni as semi-bantu very likely but come on saying Igbo is laughable.
Igbo have more in common with Igala-Idoma, Yoruba and Edo speaking people both linguistically and culturally than any other group outside Nigeria

You need to come up with more, everybody would except it only if you come up with clear pointers otherwise we can as well say Igbo are of Chinese ancestry

bigfrancis21: Total balderash. Keep losing sleep over affairs that are not related to you.

Ok yes it doesn't relate to us but then it relates to you.
So answer this question
Are you of Jewish ancestry? Or you don't know your ancestry so you claim the people you admire most as your ancestors

lepasharon: Every one wants access to the Jewish god!

Yes to the extent of disposing of the legacies of their ancestors.

Imagine an African saying he is a Jew when he has his own ancestors.

Legendoscar2: You read a little of that ancient 6 century BC religion called Zoroastrianism or Mazdaism then come out here to feel like something...
I think you better pay attention to what you are reading from Chrisviral....it will save your life..

and you have been reading 20th century BC - 6th century AD tales of Jews and Romans and come here feeling like something.

Pls take ur nonsense out of her

JesusisLord85: Hast thou read the prophecies regarding to regathering of the lost tribes of Israel? That includes us negroes.

Those in Israel today are foreigners, converts. Edomites. The most high shall drive them out, as prophesied.

Shalom

wow! If am to believe you that means Yahweh is a disgrace to Godhood.

He promised tremendous land and I say only the small piece of modern Israel he gave them but here saying he gave them nothing.
Even Israel doesn't belong to the seeds of Abraham

Image123: @OP. Of course not. Knowledge of God or the Bible shows that God does His part and man has to do his too.God gave them all that since the days of Joshua. Same way today God has given us ALL things needed for life and godliness. Play your part, it is unto you according to your.

Pls shows us where God gave them the land he promised??
Old testament reference pls? Or any other authorised source for Jewish history

Tolexander: actually in the post, i said since they were able to seize some territories of the neighbouring arab nations, one can still say Yaweh hasn't totally failed.

Bro, left to me, i don't really believe the stuff that Israel is a chosen nation.

Come on.

If am your father and I promise you a carton of goodies but only give you little pieces not enough to fill the wrapper would you say I succeeded, considering you have always thought I can afford 100 cartoons but actually can't afford one wrapper

Rilwayne001: Surah Al-Hashr, Verse 23:
God is He save whom there is no deity: the Sovereign Supreme, the Holy, the One with whom all salvation rests, the Giver of Faith, the One who determines what is true and false, the Almighty, the One who subdues wrong and restores right, the One to whom all greatness belongs! Utterly remote is God, in His limitless glory, from anything to which men may ascribe a share in His divinity!

Surah Al-Rahman, Verse 5-6
[size=20pt] [At His behest] the sun and the moon run their appointed courses. [before Him] prostrate them­selves the stars and the trees. [/size]

Limitless is his Glory, high above what we can ever imagine.

Thank you for this post bro.

so hilarious. Pls tell us when the stars and trees prostrate to any alien called Allah?

Show us that the author of dat Quranic verse isn't high on desert sand by proving the stars prostrate and that Allah is who they prostrate to...if you can't then that verse about Allah is a complete work of a drunkard

lastmessenger: Like you have fulfilled all Gods laws and commandments.there will be surprises when the judgement day comes.

How do u know there's a judgement day coming? or you don't know you just say so because someone wrote it in a book and wrote in that same book that if book that if you don't believe you would suffer for all eternity?

finofaya: At times I'm inclined to believe that.

Like when I wonder where the survival instinct of the first life forms (according to the evolutionary theory) came from. The mindless creatures could not possibly know the difference between life and death. Why prefer one over the other?

But then you realize that the ones that preferred to die, have died. This doesn't entirely explain the presence of the survival instinct, but its a start. And it does not require such an extraordinary explanation as a universal consciousness.

I would rather have ordinary explanations.

What ordinary explanations?? If you understand the concept of consciousness you would know why everything has to be conscious

RayMcBlue: Afterlife is within the auspices of the supernatural.

How? What is supernatural?

Apatheist:
The Afterlife is a concept of religion.

Do u have problems reading and comprehending simple words?

RayMcBlue: I'm well aware that NDE is not a direct proof that the concept of an afterlife is imaginary. However, it is a direct proof that the NDE (which many people use as "indisputable" proof that God and eternal life exist) has no supernatural meaning. We can scientificaly prove NDEs to be chemical side-effects rather than "a gateway to the afterlife."

Supernatural What's all this about supernatural?.what is supernatural and what makes it different from natural.

Because as I know all things are Natural, because you can't explain it doesn't change that fact
Btw I've been trying to explain afterlife since so I don't know why you call it supernatural

RayMcBlue: Do mosquitoes get an afterlife? Clearly not. Think of how
many mosquitoes have lived and died over the course of
millions of years. No one imagines heaven being full of
septillions of everlasting mosquitoes. I could be wrong though.

And what stops a maggot that dies before it metamorphosed into a fly from getting an afterlife??

As long as you have life, the moment you loose it and begin to experience something else, that's afterlife
I don't believe in heaven, and I believe in reincarnation so don't worry about billions of mosquitos

mazaje: If you present objective evidence for an afterlife or reincarnation then i'll believe and accept it. . .till then it remains one of the many fantasies that humans created. . .

We are discussing this through aren't we??
I haven't experienced afterlife in any sort but it makes total sense as I have thought about it's possibility..

I don't care about heaven or hell, but having an experienced after death

RayMcBlue: -Consciousness is a byproduct of the human psyche as a result of chemical reactions.

-When the chemical reactions cease, you die. That's the end of it.



A body left with little consciousness at the period of demise and at the same time in a lifeless state is a scientific impossibility. The dictionary defines "Lifeless" as dead or apparently dead, hence, something that is "apparently dead" couldn't possibly be left with the remnants of consciousness, however negligible.

When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense. It's the kind of reasoning a sane person can call "delusions of grandeur."

first sit down and think through consciousness, the statement makes all the sense in the world

A lifeless body still has consciousness, I didn't say sentience.
Sentience is just a high level of consciousness

RayMcBlue: "Near Death Experience" is a natural, chemically induced state that the human brain enters. The trigger for an NDE is lack of oxygen to the brain and body. If you read scientific papers, you find that there is a completely chemical and completely non-spiritual reason for the features of every NDE.

There is a drug called "Ketamine" that produces all of the elements of an NDE when it is injected into normal, non-dying people, BTW.

Lack of oxygen to the brain and body triggers NDE, now this is just for a short time, ok maybe not short but temporarily

Death is a permanent case of lack of oxygen to the brain and body leaving you to a long (probably infinite) period of The experience of NDE

Now tell me if that's not afterlife what is??

Apatheist: It's all the same.
Afterlife is a concept of religion, not science.
I don't believe in any God, I don't therefore see how the "afterlife" affects me.

Afterlife really isn't religion. It's what you believe happens in the afterlife that is a concept of religion

Afterlife doesn't affect anybody, it's nt suppose to

mazaje: The afterlife is just a human idea and creation that is why there are many different versions of it. . . Some have moved from the after life to reincarnation. . All human ideas and conceptions. . . This is the only life we have and we know. . .any other thing is a lie and pure fantasy and fiction. . .

Hmm. You seem to know all the truths and lies, but how can you be sure that there's no afterlife or reincarnation??

Even the most famous of your masters(past scientists) never made such statements

MrAnony1: You seem to lean towards the believe that it is more likely the case that there is no such thing as an afterlife because you are not conscious of any events that happened before you were born (let's refer to this as a "pre-life" ).

1. I hope you do realize that it doesn't follow that if you don't have a pre-life, you won't have an afterlife. (If you don't realize this, please take some time to explain to me why you think it follows).

2. Now that said, your question leaves us with two possibilities:

a. An afterlife exists
b. An afterlife does not exist.

3. I will argue that:

a) If an afterlife does not exist then man really has no actual moral obligations i.e It is not reasonable to act morally

b) If an afterlife exists and it's outcome depends on the way the present life is lived, then there are actual moral obligations and hence it is reasonable to act morally.

4). Expanding upon the above....

a. If there is no afterlife, then there are no consequences for the sort of life you choose to live i.e. whether you spend your life taking pleasure in smashing the skulls of innocent babies or whether you spend your life taking pleasure in caring for the helpless little ones, in the end you will just die and rot forget everything and eventually be forgotten. There is no way we can objectively say that one pleasure is better than the other. Therefore there is no reason why one needs to act morally.

b. If on the other hand, there is an afterlife and our present life determines it's outcome, then there is an objective way in which we ought to live this present life and hence there is a reason to act morally.

5). Now I must point out that the above does not prove that there is or isn't an afterlife however it shows that the absence of an afterlife is not consistent with the presence of moral values. So if you believe that there are moral duties that we ought to adhere to, then an afterlife would be consistent with such a belief.

If on the other hand you don't believe in an afterlife, then I struggle to see how you can make a case for why we ought to live morally especially if we can derive pleasure from doing evil deeds. (If you think the two are rationally compatible then you may need to explain to me how so)

mr anony this really is funny as you have just implied that having a good afterlife is judged by living morally not the belief in Christ

enigmaotr: Dogs and Apes? What about them?
And which business do Honey Badgers mean? It's still a fact that all animals, but Man lives by instinct

What rubbish fact?
Animals are intelligent, not as intelligent as humans but all animals, even a maggot acts for a purpose

enigmaotr: Animals are also sentient beings.
Why is it that only humans seek to have a purpose in life?

And what makes you think animals don't seek a purpose in life?

RayMcBlue: I agree that energy is a constant, and undergo all sorts of transformations, but imbibing it in your delusions of afterlife is a no-no. "Consciousness" is not a form of energy. It's a byproduct of the human psyche as a result of chemical reactions. Don't complicate the issue.

The big bang is a result of Consciousness,in essence the physical universe is born out of consciousness. So you can't say this consciousness is a byproduct of the human psyche when it is intact the source.

Maybe when you understand what consciousness is you would take this topic differently

RayMcBlue: The "miracle of life" is no miracle -- it is a big chemical reaction. When those reactions stop, the cell is dead.

The human body is nothing but a set of chemical reactions. The chemical reactions powering a human life are no different from the reactions powering the life of a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. When a human being dies, the chemical reactions stop. Finis.

There is no "energy" or "soul" mixed in with the chemicals, just like there is no soul in a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. Why would there be an afterlife for the chemicals that make up a human body?

The whole notion of your energy transforming when you die is completely imaginary. The concept of a "soul" has been invented by religion because many people have trouble facing their own mortality. It makes people feel better, but the concept is a complete fabrication. Don't mix science with delusions, please, both have absolutely nothing in common.

it seems you don't know the meaning of miracle. Because everything is a miracle not just life.

BossTtdiamonds: Please do learn to format, you don't just copy and paste articles. The way the whole thing is presented is quite annoying and would throw people from reading at first glance. Please do make necessary corrections the next time you post.

Well let me try to point out a few things in what you've written.

For a person trying to coach us on how to post, does your post look smooth and easy to understand to you?

Apatheist: Premise 1: Consciousness is brought about by the brain, agreed?
Premise 2: The brain dies during death, agreed?
Corollary: Consciousness ends with the advent of death since the brain that "produces" consciousness is dead.

I could be wrong though.

No, No And No, I don't agree

1. Consciousness possesses the brain
2. nothing ever really dies, in the case of the human body or the brain it jst reduces consciousness
2. Consciousness is let loose at the advent of death, living the body with so little consciousness that you call it lifeless

Apatheist: So do we all.
Your answer is in your question:

That's pretty much what happens.
The same way it was before you were born, that's how it'll be when you die.

You can leave your mark in the world, like the people who you mentioned did-- Jaja of Opobo and Lugard.

And you know this how??
Why can't you just settle for "I don't know"?

donroxy: Nonsense , the dude spoke the truth from the deepest core of his mind , he said he couldn't bear marriage nor engagement based on his meagre salary ... Some dude like me could say this outa sense of responsibility ..... So instead of me letting you down , kindly know what it is now !

By the way Macof, my meagre salary may not be enough to marry your sister nor engaged with her, but it will be more than enough to buy weeds and dryGin for bomboys to kpanshing your life for me !

Than he is an idiotic bastrd. Why go into a relationship at all when you not ready for marriage? marriage is the whole point of a relationship.while idiots like you and some loose girls are in it for fun, mature sensible individuals are in it to build a foundation for marriage life.
It's nt even supposed to take a year before you start talking of wedding...
Now to wedding; who ever said weddings must be extravagant? Man should cut his coat to his Size and plan wedding to his pocket.
When you are fully married you both work together as one family.

Can your stupid weed stop the curse I would place on you with Esu??

MarieSucre: nonsense time wasting. I read in a Jehovah Witness youth magazine that dating without the intention of getting married is like playing with a toy only to throw it away immediately. purposeless and directionless. all this "dating" ish masef. ---- AFRICAN MAN COPYING THE AMERICANS SINCE 1900.

That's it. colo-mentality
It affects us all in our society. Dating dating , relationship this that but before they marry they would taste nothing less than 3 different partners
I still ask tho, why go into a relationship when you not ready cus this is supposed to be a stage before life time vows and matrimonial rituals aka wedding.

Some are even talking of money as if a wedding can't hold with just both parents and maybe 2 friends, must there be money lavishing??