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Phinity318: I just hope they won't start sacfricing small babies,white cocks,brown goat e.t.c to appease their gods.

Imagine if this religion wants to have their practical in sacrifice to appease their gods in school?
Omo na to begin dy choose who dem go sacrifice inside class be that Oº°˚˚°ºh ...
No be here #TRS
Dis one no follow @ all

So much rubbish

PAGAN9JA: Good Move for YTR.

However, that pilgrimage to Cuba/Brazil was not necessary. I know many Babalawos who go there to officiate celebrations, gain converts ,etc.


But I have been telling them not to go there and leave those people alone.

The reason they are going after these South Americans is because Yorubas on the mainland have no interest in the religion.


I hope that when the number of Yoruba mainland reverts increases, this Brazil nonsense will stop.

Yorubas must speak up against this.


As for funds, they must be allocated to building and renovating shrines, etc.

True! It's not pilgrimage exactly but to reorganize ourselves and identify with the practitioners in South America.
The folks there have been a Great factor in the strength of Yoruba spirituality

Funds should be used to construct shrines and temples

jibbish: its only their Ifa dt can tell, sometimes I feel Ifa doesn't av appetite,yet dey bring Eko n Efo. I avnt seen dem drop 5alive and Fried rice wit Chicken in a stainless plate remain until d nxt day. Till dey start doing ds I feel we should ignore dem

And who ever told you they wanted your attention?

vicchi12: My religion doesn't sacrifice men.. Jesus died for me... He was killed by the. Enemies, but he rose! Amen!!!

Lol, so you can't see the stupidity in this??

1. Your religion doesnt sacrifice men but Jesus was a sacrificed man
2. Jesus committed suicide for you but He was killed by the enemies

vicchi12: I'll rather stick to a foreign God who blesses and answers me, than a god who gives me little, but takes soo much from me. A god that didn't benefit my forefathers in anyway. A god that doesn't answer....U digg?

And you think my native God doesn't bless and answer me??

What do u know about Isese and the Gods that you say they give little and take so much??
Defend yourself if you are not a damned liar

abdulkayus: You dey mund dem. Even if dey are to be recognise, is it d brazilians and d cubans that are support to come here for pilgrimage? Dey are lookin for avenue to cut out

And what's your business with this??

You go to Mecca,
You go to Jerusalem
You even go to the Vatican
Let me also go to Bahia

MORNDEW: Where were they when wen d whites brought jesus nd mohammed. Why did dey nt resist dem. Nd beside y were dey demanding hard things frm ppl like d left leg of a day old spider. Nd y were there gods brutal toward members. All this made dem lost it.

too much Nollywood has fried this ones brain

All this u have displayed are results of a Christian/Muslim controlled media where everything to spread their religion is to attack the already set up systems and poison the mind of people with lies.

if it's nt that Ifa kills, it would be Ifa is a mere wood and stone, or Ifa is a demon...sometimes he's a dead ancestral spirit
Why nt jst stick to one?

Pls this is enough reason to note that the Christian society is all about lies against Pagans, they can't even stick to one

abdulkayus: Absolute rubbish and balderdash.

Really?? So you like how China has ban Ramadan in their country??

You like discrimination against a religion/spiritual sect??

abdulkayus: And who will even offer d subject in school. Ajimobo shld nt listen to them abeg

Lol, All your clamours are useless...but I don't understand the fear and hatred in you

vicchi12: I guess the gods wanna go international, tired of being featured mainly in Yoruba movies.. Just hope they're ready to compete with the baddest in the game; Jesus, and Allah.

The Gods are already international...in fact places like Cuba and Brazil have more devotion than Nigeria
it's also growing in Germany, as christianity is fast dropping in Western Europe

Odenigbo Aroli: "Nwaologbo" and "ogede" aren't the only words we share with Benin or Yoruba; How about okwute,nti and nmili. Yoruba; okuta,eti and omi. These are similar words with little variance and we don't know who borrowed from whom.

That's because all southern tribes were one at a point in time...some thousands of years ago before migration, expansion, isolation and finally innovation separated the people

Igbo and Yoruba were probably separated less than 5000 years ago

bigfrancis21: I've always had a feeling that the Igbo race is the progenitor of so many tribes in Nigeria. But today no tribe will want to acknowledge this fact due to the detrabilized name and status given to the Igbo after the civil war.
The current trend within Igboland nowadays is claiming origin from other outside black tribes even when it could be false or vice versa. But the truth is gradually seeping out again. The Igbo people have been present in Africa for a very very long time, long before other tribes for them to be originated from them. Carbon dating results proves this fact.
Olukwumi (also called old yoruba) is spoken in two Igbo communities in delta state(though Igbo is more spoken). I believe that this is linguistic evidence and a reminder that some yoruba communities may have originated from Igbo land long long ago during the language spread and they moved westwards, leaving some folks behind. The migrant olukwumi group that left developed their language the more to what is now known as Yoruba dialects.
The history of Abeokuta has it that the area was originally populated by the Igbo people before it was invaded by foreigners who conquered and chased the natives away. The initial name of the place being 'ebe okwute' in Igbo meaning 'Place of stone' named so due to the heavy presence of stones and rocks, which was later corrupted to 'Abe okuta'. Interestingly enough, the meaning of abeoukta still remains the same in Igbo language as it is in Yoruba.
One doesn't seem to understand why there are many Yoruba communities that bear names with 'Igbo' attached to them. The 'Igbo' pronounced exactly the same way Igbo is pronounced natively in Igboland. Ijebu-Igbo, Igbo-ora for example.

see complete rubbish

Apatheist: What exactly did they worship?
what was in their shrines?

Isn't it a little to late to ask this question has u in ur arrogant stupidity have claimed what you know nothing about

Apatheist: I mentioned the USA because they were sold to them.
where did African Americans come from?
isn't it from the children of the former slaves?


really? slavery is moral?
I guess you wouldn't object if your children are used as slaves.


Magick, theirs is different from the Africans.
or is their "majick" stronger than your ancestors?

FYI, the British have been Christian for millennia, the soldiers were Christian, and they used the Bible to justify slavery.

I mentioned colonization, and you mentioned USA...don't u see ur folly?


oh! I see u are a waste of time, ur brain is natural a pile of shiit..

mahleeq: whoever is called Ooni is not descendant of Okanbi.

The first Ooni was Adimula(as Oduduwa never bared Ooni) the eldest son of Akanbi. Akanbi slept with a slave whom was to be sacrificed the next morning.
as the sacrifice was to begin, it was revealed that she's already pregnant. The essence of the sacrifice was to bring children to Akanbi, so he was delighted and after Adimula he had other children. following his death before Oduduwa, Adimula was made king and his mother(the slave) became queen mother, she is also regarded as the first Iyanifa in Yoruba history
Adimula was deposed by Obatala's household, Oranmiyan (last born) however returned and sacked Obalufon who ran to Ekiti region.
Oranmiyan's household has since continued the Ife royal line till Olubuse II(current king of Ife)

Apatheist: Where did I say this?
other aliens.
I said might.


The wooden and stone sculptures your ancestors worshiped as gods are in museums now.
Do you want pictures?



I think you have a comprehension problem.
did you even read the post?
I said devils do not exist, that we humans are the cause of evil.
since when does "human" = juju?

"might" to aliens because u consider it a possibility..but a God is no go area...why? Your hypocrisy

my ancestors never worshipped a wooden and stone sculpture as God. you buffoon

[quote author=Apatheist][/quote]And how do u know they are powerless when u don't know their ingredients??

How sure are u that u were not involved with a conman claiming to have juju when he had a powerless toy??
Because u went to a store to get a gun and you got a toy gun doesn't mean all guns are toys...it depends on the way it's made

So I ask how was the juju you tested made? If you can't answer then you should shut up

Apatheist: Never said they were.
Are you sure you can read?

moral? really?
slavery is never moral, it wasn't then, it isn't now.
That people did it doesn't make it moral.


escape slavery. would you love to be enslaved?


because they lost every war they fought against the British, if they did it and it worked, they would have won, wouldn't they?

lmfao. you're kidding, right?
because they didn't and still don't believe in it.

Then why bring up USA?? You use words and then turn around to say you never meant such.

Slavery has always been moral around the world...like having more than one wife is moral in Africa

What is the essence of slavery?? Labour.
and who says the British didn't use juju?? Or what u think British don't believe in magic??

Ray McBlue: You guys should read up on your histories and stop making unfounded claims. Thor is not even the supreme god of the Vikings, that accolade goes to Odin the Scandinavian God of thunder, a direct equivalent to the famed Greek's Zeus. Odin had two sons: Thor and Loki.
Thor without the iconic hammer is almost insignificant but very powerful whenever he wields the hammer of Thor (Mjolnir). Loki is the god of mischief and deception.

Marvel's screen and comic interpretation of Thor and Loki are inaccurate at best. The real mythologies of the Norse gods are more fantastic and complicated than what you see on TV or read in the comics.

Yoruba's sango mythology have been around for the whole of 800 years give or take, while the Viking's mythology have been around for more than 2000 years. Vikings are one of the earlier civilizations known to man and arguably the oldest in Europe.

Marvel doesn't need to steal any ideal from the Yoruba's concept cuz here is more than enough from the source - Norse Mythology - to give them going for many years to come.

And BTW, Odin is way stronger than Sango, while Thor and Sango might be equal in strength. Loki is smarter than both.

Nah...Sango was rebranded say 800yrs ago but the character has been for ages long

And how did people know it was Elijah that appeared?? Elijah lived about 2000yrs before Jesus, no photos, no sculptures..nothing.
How was Elijah recognized??

plaetton: Great answer.
Let me add that even if there is a being responsible for what we call universe, the bigger and next question would still be who created the being, considering, as the op and most people have asserted that something( in this case the being) cannot come from nothing, and that whatever exists must have a creator.

Therefore, the existence of god would contradict his very existence.

@martian
In addition, let me also point out that God/Gods (as in ancient spiritualities not Abrahamic religions) are personified characters based on the people's knowledge and understanding of the universe.

So the greeks would have a different God representing the same force as an Igbo God

Reiyvinn: Please help me slap some senses into macof, I'm done trying to fix his warped brain settings.

I just don't want to start with you...I'll let this pass

Apatheist: Find out the meaning of "might"

What's to say they didn't? or was it your stone gods that are in museums that created the universe?

Never said juju was evil. learn to read.

Oh so there "might" be aliens(as you watch in silly sci-fi movies) but there's no "might" in a conscious God of no organic principles what so ever. According to u, If there's a creator, it has to be living, breathing like every other organism in the universe? What then created this aliens??
Maybe you should have considered this before making such a stuupid statement.

More display of your stupidity, How can Gods be in museums?? Wat kind of damned illiterate is this


This was from your post in response to Unbias's statement on juju

"No, to believe in them means you believe
in the gods that created them.
Humans are the cause of evil."

You have subconsciously ascribed juju as evil in this statement.

Apatheist: Many places.
-Aguleri, Anambra state.
-Mbaise, IMO State
-Ijebu-Ode, Ogun State.
Johannesburg, South Africa.

I don't know the ingredients, I was told not to ask questions.

The Dibia in the east, Babalawo in the west, Sagoma in South Africa.

What do you have to say?

The very evidence that you know nothing about juju...you claim to know so much that you don't even know simple ingredients to the charm you tested??

How can u eat what someone sells as soup when you don't know the ingredients and still say all soup are tasteless..

Apatheist: I know there is a difference.

The slave masters in the USA.
Remember? When your ancestors sold their people for mirrors?
Why didn't they use it to escape?

Why didn't they use it in the Anglo-Aro War against the British?

And when was USA ruling over the Nigerian area?? U see how stupid u are?

We sold labour for goods...a proper and moral business activity in pre-20th century earth
Espace what?? Escape work??

1. How do u know they didn't use it?
2. How did u know the British didn't use it too?

penmate101: I’m new on NL, and tough very green, I’ve been reading lots of threads expecially relating to culture and history. Ere are my two cents on this. Though I’m Yoruba, I bear no tribal sentiments or ethnocentric tendencies against any one…. Except Caucasians, be them human or dogs… Sue me.

Ile-Ife according to Yoruba belief is the earthly origin and fountain of all; it is also the earthly end to which all must return to be told what to do next. Mysteries and legends abound. Infact, German explorer Leo Frobenius concluded that Ile-ife was the lost Atlantis rediscovered, and that Yoruba were descendants of that lost civilization. In reality, “history cannot help because Yoruba is a pre historic race. Ife traditional history maintains that from Ife scattered the various species of mankind. An idea that finds expression in the name Oyibo the term early Yoruba refered to the white man by, meaning Ooyi-bo i.e. the breeze/weather/climate has scorched this man white. (Personally, I believe the story of Yakub, the black scientist). Did you know white men turn black when they die?

Research on early Yoruba history tells that the personage Oduduwa migrated to Ile-Ife where where he reigned and held sway, established the Yoruba dynasty, and Oduduwa could not have been his original name. As tradition has it, he had several children who in due time became the progenitors of the various clans, when taken together are the Yoruba people. Oral traditions tell us that early ife history is divided chronologically into three. The first was Ife Oodaiye, Ile Owuro (the land of the most ancient days where the dawn was first experienced. Tradition tells us that this Ife ended as a result of a flod. The survivors formed the nucleus of the second Ife, Ife Ooyelagbo(Ife, the city of survivors) this existed until the arrival of elements from the east whose attempt to seize power led to a bloody struggle between the strangers led by Oduduwa and the aboriginies led by Obatala. Oduduwa conquered and founded Ile-Ife (Ife of peace). Oral tradition of Ile Ife tells us that many communities existed in the second Ife. Each having its own Oba and each Oba had his Chiefs. Archaeological field survey shows that 13 of these communities have been revealed. Oduduwas victory le to the centralization of these communities and became the first Ooni(ruler). The word Ooni was never used until the first centralised government in Ile Ife. Oduduwa’s was believed to live before the deluge, and decended with his kith and kin from their lifeboats, which anchored, on Oke-Ora (Oramfe Hills) (EAST of Ife) by means of chain ropes.

Tradition tells us that Oduduwa had many children, male and female. Oduduwa’s first child was a daughter, and mother of Olowu, Asunkungbade the founder of Owu Kingdom. Towards the end of Oduduwa’s reign, He became blind and lost four of his powerful sons. On the demise of Ooni Odua, his eldest living son Obalufon Ogbogbodiri succeeded him as Ooni. Before his death, Ooni Odua, reformed the government he crowned all his children and sent them abroad with orders to show filial obedience to their brother who he first crowned his successor as Ooni. At his death, it was common knowledge that next to Obalufon Godo or Onibini was next, and Oranmiyan was next. Oduduwa crowned his children thus:
1. Ogiso, alias Godo or Onibini – Oba Ado (Benin)
2. Orangun – Onila or Oba Ila (Igbomina)
3. Alake – founder of Egba Kingdom
4. Alaketu founder of Ake and Ketu
5. Obarada who was driven to found the Kingdom of Dahomey
6. Oni Nana who founded his kingdom in the old Gold Coast (Ghana)
7. Owore – founded Otun Kingdom (destroyed by the Fulani)
8. Oranyan (later the progenitor proper of Yorubas), Oloyo or Oloyooro who founded the Oyo Kingdom
9. Awujale (Olugborogan or Ogboroganda) founder if Ijebu Kingdom
10. Deji Ajaponda – founder of Akure Kingdom
11. Olowu son of Odudwa’s daughter – founder of Owu Kingdom
12. Owa Obokun – founder of the Ijesha Kingdom.

The list goes on to 26 of the crowns Oduduwa handed to his children.

According to tradition, Oonile of Ife is the Father of all Obas in Yoruba land. In 1937, when the Conference of Yoruba Chiefs was inaugurated in Oyo where Obas of Yourba land including the Oba of Benin, the Ooni was declared and appointed the Primus interpares. Until the late thirties, Yoruba Obas refered to themselves as brothers, though their kingdoms waged war against each other. The kiriji wars ended with the insistent declaration of the Owa Obokun that the Aalafin of Oyo was his brother, not subordinate. In 1903 dispute between the Elepe and Akarigbo, they refused the authority of the Aalafin as matters paternaining to giving crowns, but both subjected themselves to the decision of the Ooni. In 1916, when Aguobasimi was installed as the Oba of Benin (after the death of his father in exile), messengers of the Ooni went after him with a series of requests and delivered the Ooni’s message as thus: ‘Your Father greets you’ (see Nigerian National Archives NNA: Oyo Prof I, File 133, 24th May 1916)

According to Ife tradition, Oranmiyan led an expedition to Benin and subdued the people. Reigned for 13 years and and returned to Ife, not understanding the language, but promised to give them a king from their own blood. He took a Benin wife, and the result of that union was Eweka I of Benin.

Up till today, the site is called Orun Oba Ado in Ile Ife where oranmiyan set out to found the Yoruba dynasty in Benin. And it is to this spot that the heads of the kings of Benin were brought for burial. The last time this tradition was kept was with the burial of King Adolo.

The picture up there is not this location though. It differs significantly from the original site.

Nice one.

Unbias: I have nothing to gain telling lies about juju and other African traditional powers here. If I share some stories with you, you will not believe me. I also do not believe in them anymore not bcus they don't exist or work, but bcus there is a power greater than the powers of the rulers n darkness of this world.

Sorry to say that you've not used or tested real juju before. There are so many things I cannot share with you here but my brother, the devil exists n witches n wizards n others r his agents.

Though many acknowledge God by faith which He requires, some have the oppurtunity to encounter him like so many prophets of old. Note that no holybook or religion character or preacher can convince you that there is God. It is God himself who can by revealing himself to you.
Thanks.

You not making sense.
You not believe juju but you say juju is real
Are u reading what u post at all?

Apatheist: I have done that several times, and I can assure you it's all fake.
Since you know someone who can do it, why not enter the contest?
You'll be able to prove your point, win a million bucks, and you will gain converts.
Win-win situation.

Where did u test juju? What town, what ingredients were used to prepare it? Who prepared it for u??

Apatheist: Yes, I have.
If your precious"juju" was real, why didn't your ancestors use it on their slave masters?
Why haven't we used it to win world cups?

If you think it's real, use it, let me shoot you in the head at close range, if nothing happens to you I'll convert to any religion you want.

Or if you're scared of dying, you can enter John Randi's prize contest and you can win a million dollars.

dude u are big fool, what slave masters?? why do u keep using that word when there's a big difference between slavery and colonialism

Go get some education

Apatheist: I can't speak for all atheists - only myself.
It depends on your definition of "god"
If you mean the religious gods, then no, they do not exist at all, and they come off as stupid about the world they supposedly created: In the Bible, it is written that the Earth is in the middle of the solar system(geocentrism) and that it doesn't move. If the judeo-christian God Yahweh was real, he would know.
In the Koran it is written that public hair is unholy, so is menstruation.
I wonder why Allah would make something evil? Aren't they supposed to be infallible and good?

There might be a Creator- or Creators- like aliens and the kind, but it is definitely not the religious gods.

No, to believe in them means you believe in the gods that created them.
Humans are the cause of evil.


Refer to my second answer.
Even if there are, no one has been able to prove them.

Cheers.

And you believe in aliens?? Wat an hypocrite.

You disgust me, because u think u so smart to say God doesn't exist but aliens(which haven't been proven) are the creators

even if aliens existed whats to say they created the universe??

And when has juju become synonymous with evil?? Do u even know what juju is??