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Yoritshekiri: And they are busy castigating Igbos for ensuring that such carnage doesn't take place in our land.
Well if Yorubas do not value human lives, we do!

Lol are u now Igbo?

9jacrip: I thought Igbomina state should top the list or is creating a state by merging all Yoruba towns in Kwara no longer of importance? I still think the Ijebu State is not necessary at all, just utter rubbish.

True, that i forgot to mention. Igbomina people should be let loose from kwara state - top priority
Ijebu state is also very important, sooner or later it would be made, the Ijebu have been clamouring for this for a very long time on basis of inappropriate use of funds by the Ogun state government and marginalization from the Egba

Yask2guy: It is of no news that the security challenges in Abia state has gotten to the extent of being vigilant over the issues concerning scares of bokoharam insurgents due to false acquisition of about 400 traders travelling through the state.
This led to scares amidst the dwellers of the state and as such got to the extent of accusing any Muslims (even just by names) in the state as bokoharam counterparts. Even when it is very clear to them that most of us are from the south western part of the country.
This is not the first time a Muslim corps member will be harassed publicly, even when fully kitted.
They have started calling us bokoharams to the extent of arresting a fully identified (Muslim) corps member at umuahia, abia state. Threatening him after his release that he will be dealt with if he is found again in the state.
The information getting to we residing at the MCAN's lodge in Umuahia now is that if there is any bokoharam attack in Abia state, the first places they will go to ransack are the MCAN lodges.
This must stop...
They are really threatening our lives here... We are going back home!

I have long awaited such news from South east.
The region is just too low on the Islam radar, discrimination is no surprise especially coming from Christians

efficiencie: It seems to me sir that you are more mentally lazy than i am...If i have been able to put forward line after line of deductive reasoning and still you cannot get my line of thought then i doubt if Aristotle, Betrand, Lakatos or Popper can be of any help if they were on this thread...No hard feelings sir, do not be offended. we are all just stating our different positions and positions are always in relation to another. We may not agree but that should not make us denigrate ourselves or our respective philosophical or religious stance...one love bro!

Guy answer my question or simply run away.
You are disgracing ur religion with your stupid comments

phuckNL: Stop being naive. Show the video. How can i believe the first worked when I KNOW FOR A FACT that the JUJU is fake. How many times do i have to scream PROVE it? Why the secrecy. Why hasn't anyone been able to FILM the BULLETPROOF test?

And what's your fact?

phuckNL: Here's where you are wrong. It has mainly been hearsay and a situation of "take it or leave it"
How many times have you heard of people saying a witch changed into a cat but nobody was actually there when the witch changed. They happen to see a cat from the same location an old woman is spotted and then bam..."she's the one that changed into the cat"

As per the bulletproof thing, the same applies. When it fails, which it always does unless the shooter misses, they claim it was because the person didn't do something right. It is really simple. If this thing is real, film it and show it for all to see.

lol even in this very article, the first test worked.

If you can believe the second didn't work you should take the article in full then
Because you have no reason to accept one and scream foul on the other just because you can't bare to be wrong

If I showed you a video you would say it's trick, what then would you ask of again??

InesQor: I don't believe Jesus was created by God the Father. Rather, the pre-incarnate Jesus (i.e. Jesus before he came to be born on earth) was the method by which other things were created (in my mind, I think of it like how you use a formula to solve an equation / fix a problem). In your Yoruba religion, a close analogy might be the Ori, but more like an Ori for ALL of creation.

Sorry for the late reply.
Before I take this against christianity, is this what you just believe or what the Bible tells you.

If it's through your knowledge of the Bible, pls provide Bible passages to support this


I personally like this analogy but what does it have to do with a Jewish man??
Ori by Yoruba philosophy is the reason for existence not just one individual...Ori concept is a vast study

Ori is simply consciousness, not only of you or I but the entire universe.
It is by Ori that Olodumare initiated Akamara

Kind of like "the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God"

God (Olodumare) is literally everything, I am in God as it is in me, but the beginning started with Ori. So Ori has always been since the beginning with Olodumare but at a point, Ori was used to perform something resourceful or something resourceful was finally achieved


Another question for you..
Do u consider "the word" literal as Genesis 1 denotes?

All this syncretism are not.needed anymore.

We should start coming out with the true traditional teachings devoid of foreign(Abrahamic) concepts

Even the Santero and Umbanda people in South America are dropping some of that catholic element for the true African deal

Oduduwa shall be my children's nationality, I reject Nigerian for them

Sango, Ogun and Esu would destroy this nation very soon

Rubbish! You are asking of Oduduwa state instead of Okun state which is the first priority for Yoruba people in terms of state creation.
Ijebu state comes next and then Akoko state from Ondo and Edo.

Ikorodu and Epe areas in Lagos should also go with Ijebu state if we want to really construct this thing well

efficiencie: well sir you must understand that proofs are subject to the 'field' within which you operate.

In plane geometry, the sum of angles in a triangle equals 180 but in geodesy the sum may exceed 180!

In a real field, √-1 does not exist but in a complex field
√-1=i

if a spherical ball falls through a 2-d world a transition from a dot to a full circle and later to dot would be observed but in a 3-d world the entity remains constant

Bro what's my point, you may ask! God is an entity yond our much narrow dimension and hence you can't validly use the scientific method, and it's sequence of refutations and corroborations according to Karl Popper, to prove or disprove the existence of God!

That's why belief exist! So no one can say i have a valid scientific proof of who God is and hence which religion is true, we only have our beliefs!

So hold on to yours while i hold on to mine...in the end, we'll know who's right and who's wrong!

What's all this bullcrap?? I asked for evidence of your God as it relates with his personality and stories surrounding him not maths

This is a clear indication that christianity is bullshiit for the mentality lazy

phuckNL: Your analogy is so off.
The existence of pluto has been substantiated by academia. There are telescopes, light calculations etc that prove it exists. The existence of pluto does not defy logic so it is not a question of my belief. Pluto exists. THIS IS FACT. Has nothing to do with what i believe. You can not say the same for your JUJU

The existence of juju has also been substantiated by many. There are open challenges and cults specialized in this sort, there are energy calculations etc.
The existence of juju as it relates to logic depends on the type of juju.
Not everything you watch on TV is so

Anyway, I am not saying juju is real, am just not saying it is non-existent
Juju makes sense to me but it depends on what techniques exactly, cus we know all things are liable to exaggeration

LandLord1: God has promised to end evil and suffering. You should be concerned about working out your salvation with fear and trembling. The Lord Jesus is not coming to save those who criticize his word and who do not fear him. I ask.....what does it mean for you to call someone GOD?. The mystery of God(the creator of heaven and earth) cannot be understood by mere mortals. It's like trying to put an ocean or let me say large body of waters into a small hole. If you continue like this without going to the creator for answers to your questions and if you keep pondering over them, You Will Lose Your Mind. Like any serious student maybe in a university or sec school with a time table, God also has his own time table and you must know or realize that he has promise to end evil, pain and suffering. It pains me people only read the bible to pinpoint and look for way to criticize the creator. I mean the book of revelation clearly presents and points how God intends to end all evils and put his own government on the earth through his son-THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. He knows the beginning from the end. It's awesome how a Boxer for instance clearly presents the way he is gonna defeat his opponents. Mind you, The Lord Jesus is not the counterpart of the devil(the devil is too small). If you truly need answers to your questions go to the creator, go to the HOLY SPIRIT. Jeremiah 33:3- Call Unto Me and I will answer You And Show You Great And Mighty Which Thou Knowest Not.

And you know all this how?? From reading the work of another man or from hearing directly from God??

emotional: @Op. Energy,force,universal laws(by which d earth is govern) spirit,Nature, the unseen etc. What ever you/we might choose to call it, l think for easier references it was named god. It is insanity for any faith or religion to assume the right(monopoly) knowledge of these elements(permit to use d word) mentioned above. The totality of 'THE ALL' is and shall ever remain a mystery to the Living. Do to others what you want them to do unto you, the golden rule. For those who are for/dispute the supernatural, let your experience be your authority. My thought.

True. Gods are simply Energies personified

And it's insanity for a sect to claim absolute authority and knowledge on even one form of energy talkless of the entire mysteries of the vast universe

efficiencie: Educate us bro, if you have a contrary or nesting conceptualization of the Yoruba polytheistic belief!

My brother, sociology teaches that it is erroneous to judge the rightness or the wrongness (permit my choice of words) of the culture or tenets of another based on yours.

Your philosophical cum religious stance enshrines and venerates reason and empirics above any conceptualization of God. Another person's stance deifies an entity other than self, reason or empirics. One cannot validly and objectively invalidate one on the basis of another with the use of the scientific method of inquiry. Such arguments are in the slippery realm of normative thought.

So sir, worship reason and empirics as your God while I venerate the Trinity as my God!

to discuss Olodumare would derail the thread


you didn't address my post, how can we say jehovah exist when we can't use Evidence or logic to prove it's existence??

I can tell u, a flying spaghetti created humanity and all things in the universe, it doesn't sound less childish and silly than the jehovah story
Because basically, jehovah is jst a being floating somewhere in the sky

phuckNL: I do not need to see it fail because like i said earlier, JUJU is a fallacy. How can it fail when it doesn't even exist?
The same JUJU that Sango used to breathe fire from his mouth, the same JUJU that people used to disappear, the same JUJU that people use to change to cats (yet this has never been proven, it is always hearsay). So much JUJU, we can't use it to find the Chibok girls. So much JUJU, they couldn't use the BULLETPROOF against the colonisers and slave takers.We need to wake up. This is 2014. JUJU is a freagn myth.
As rampant as it is, you would think it would have been proven at least once. My guy, i am being rational. Believing any of this crap would be IRRATIONAL.

And because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

have you ever seen the planet Pluto?? But am sure u believe it exist??
If so, How can that be possible??

I hope u can identify your little hypocrisy

doubleDx: e done come again with ignorance...spirit get picture? Even if Elijah had sculptures do you think John would look like him? It's the spirit that dwells in John makes him Elijah! For the fact that King Yeshua said, John is Elijah; it's true....

Matthew 11:13-14 (KJV)

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Dummy in was talking about d transmigration, where Elijah and Moses were said to be with Jesus ..now read my previous post

urheme: It is not a requirement,
The so called business men who called them selves men of god that make u think so

So there's really no reason to church

efficiencie: well bro we sum differently. Polytheism suggests divine structure just as Christianity suggests divine structure...Polytheists such as those of the Yoruba tribe, believe in one supreme being 'OLODUMARE' who is himself worshipped by other lesser gods (ORISHA) who happen to be mediators such as: sango, obatala, sopona, oya, osun, ogun etc but in Pantheism these lesser deities are not considered to be in the same class as: 'OLODUMARE' the supreme being...in contrast to Christianity, The Holy Spirit is seven but yet one (Revelations 5:6), the Father gave birth to Jesus (John 3: 16) and Jesus is one with the Father (John 10: 30). So you see, in Christianity we serve a FAMILY and not a UNITARY DEITY...and since they exist in a FAMILY they are ONE! They act CONSISTENTLY with eachother, have the same goals, the same emotions, the same thoughts, the STANDARDS.

Hence I am not a polytheist who serve gods that are not in the class of their supreme being...rather i serve a FAMILY that is ONE!

The GOD I serve defies logic and often times Christians are often acclaimed to be the EPITOME OF STUPIDITY but yet I am glad to be considered a member of this group characterized with STUPIDITY...So you see I BELIEVE IN GOD, if i had logical and empirical proofs of who GOD was then it would be unnecessary to BELIEVE (Hebrews 11:6)

Lol u have not fully understood the concept of Olodumare. Pls don't use Olodumare as example.

the very fact that christianity doesn't appeal to it's adherents to seek knowledge in rationality and logic shows it is false...
Why is jehovah afraid of humans being intelligent?
He even punished Adam because he wanted to be intelligent and knowledgeable

dont8: I pity your folly, you know nothing about running a business. Can government shutdown for a day without having a negative effect? The same applies to business, go and learn business 101 and thank me later.

You can always go back to your village

phuckNL: Calm down juh. Is it that time of the month?
I am not choosing to believe the part i want. I am simply being RATIONAL and LOGICAL. I do not believe in myths and i know NIGERIANS lie a lot so why would this case be different. Especially since this is the same case of "them say them say". They have been "saying" for thousands of years yet we CANNOT capture "at least" one of these events on screen. Why would i believe fallacies. 500years ago, we had no camcorders so we would have let it slide. Today we have all sorts of cameras and no one can capture any of this "spiritual" effects. I have not chosen to believe the part i want mister, i simply ensured my folks didn't waste money on my education by utilizing the rational skills i developed. If you choose to let yours lie idle, then that is your own bruhaha

Dude, maybe I understand but have you seen juju fail??

Why does you not seeing juju work mean that it always fails??

This article said 1 out of 2 worked, you choose to believe that's a lie, that both didn't work
and you say Nigeria is full of lies

What makes you so sure that the news that the second one failed is not a lie??

Be rational

frankben: I will never get over the
embarrassment of belonging to the
same species as you. It's quite shameful and despicable to abhor your creator with your previous comment which is typical to an ungodly... In one sentence, "I'm disappointed in you(re.tard)."

Then you should go and die with such embarassment.

What comment?? U said Something very stupid and I showed you your stupidity with a simple reverse attack and you are screaming foul.

Next time don't insult God, any God just because you don't worship that God

frankben: I didn't expect an atheist/ a traditionalist to quote me... If you're one, just unquote me cos i gat nofin to do with the ungodly

Well sorry you fool. I don't fall into the category of "ungodly"

phuckNL: In nigeria, it is always "them say". The fact that they said it did not "penetrate" does not mean that is what actually happened. Humans lie and NIGERIANS are KINGS when it comes to lieing so why would you believe what they said. I maintain the jazz is fake and the initial shot was a miss. The second was on target, hence, the guy "modded"

Yh believe the part you want and scream lies on the part you don't want.

Fvckard

9jacrip: First shot did not penetrate - he could have stopped here. Stuffs of this nature are not meant for intentional/expected shots and it is meant to save one from first attempt which signifies taking flight!

I've seem some who had juju to prevent metals/bottles from penetrating their skin. After few punches of bottles, stabs or slashes of the knife/cutlass, the spot beings to swell with black mark but eventually gives way.

You should never intentionally test these things.

But how can you have faith in the charm if you haven't tested it?
Believing such a thing which hasn't guaranteed itself to effectiveness is hope

We can't always live by hope and wishes.

nathdim: I wonder wen nigeria will realise how to make analysis if you get to the bank you see armed police men with bullet proof vest and cars not babalawo or any kind of magician even America the most powerful country in the world don't believe in black magic

what's exactly is your definition of "black magic"?

frankben: I pity the poor boy... Don't trust in god but trust in God

Yh like the God that let his worshipers get killed by boko haram??

I've read this some where else...that article said he's a traditional ruler in Ondo state who has imposed Christian rites to replace Yoruba traditions on the throne...
He even pleaded to other traditional rulers to do same

How reliable is this news??

declaro: We Igbos are wise, we remain Nigerians forever and ever. Do not listen to the people that call them Biafra, they don't understand that meaning and what brought it, they are just shouting Biafra Biafra. I believe in One Nigeria and United Nigeria. Thanks

Am nt even talking about this, personally I think Biafra is best for the Igbo as Oduduwa is best for the Yoruba

Am talking about the star of David in the anambra logo...why not use something Igbo-ish rather than go to Israel to inspire a state logo

declaro: What you said is true but the same hatred is been incited to other tribes once we continue mentioning the past, Biafra as a name should be abolished for us to move on. We can also avoid inciting hatred among other tribes by avoiding being tribalism in our comments in the social media. There is no point of remembering what has past since it will not contribute to our current welfare. Let's take other tribes as our people and see if that love will exist in Nigeria. Where Love and charity abides, God is found.

I agree with you. But apart from bigotry and tribal discrimination and hatred from Igbo, Nigeria has much bigger problems

Nigeria was never meant to be and it's very clear Nigeria was a mistake by the British

mu2sa2: There are many traditional religions. Are they calling for the recognition of each of them?

Yes, each and every deity must be recognized

Nigeria is a secular state, even Hindu and Chinese Gods should be welcome