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AFRICANS are doomed. We are gradually losing our identity, We refuse our religion, culture and traditions but the most painful is that we are losing our Languages. But this mostly happens with Igbo and Yorubas. I know this Hausa family, very exposed to western life but yet the kids of 3yrs speak Hausa like licking candy, their father always communicates wit them in Hausa, they watch hausa movies, in fact everything they do is Hausa, but regardless their english is also close to perfect. Am yet to see a family from my Ethnic group to be this proud of

ajayikayod: If u ar a Christian, i need to let u kno dt all ds u wrote doesnt hav a place in d Word of God
If u r not, then first thing i need to let u kno is dt thr is a creator and a savior. We can pick from thr when u r clear on ds two.

wat word of God? have u heard God talk that u say u know the word of God? word of Jewish men u call word of God. Am sorry for ur gullibility, u really need to advance past ur current level of intelligence.

Am aware of the creator, that's wat I explained in my last post, but that saviour u talk abt doesn't save anything. U can believe u would go to hell unless u worship ur Jewish master, u can believe the words of men are the words of God, U can believe only Jews know God. But don't preach nonsense and deviate people from intelligent reasoning

joel lala: You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

ooman this is very true.

philfearon: You are very lame to have asked me that question!!
And is good to know that you are not a Christian,you are a Moslem!!
I dont do your Muslim and Islamic crappy bigots!!
Infact,if i had known earlier,i would not have replied you...
Not that i condemn your Religion,but know That Pagans are better than you people....A pagan will be easy to convert,unlike you people,brainwashed to buy into that Mohammed crap!!
I pity you,cuz unless u believe in Jesus Christ,no salvation for u...But here is the good thing,you still have time to come to ur Lord God!!
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I hate going Philosophical about God,but dont drive me to that point bro...

see hypocrite u better shuttup whether christian or muslim u are all the same brainwashed, fools believing mohammed or moses or paul doesn't matter u are all believing foreigners over your fathers. You are insulting a muslim as if u are any better than him

pristine7: Here is one point. "the lord said to my lord sit thou art my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool." ( psalm )

A jew never calls a fellow man or prophet Lord or even an angel lord. God was referred to in so many places in the bible as lord so?

Angels were called Lord many times by the early,Jews that saw them, notable once were Abraham and Jacob

joel lala: So the pagan supreme god gave instructions to other gods to be wicked sometimes to humans right? Does that make him a good, all loving god? I will suggest that u guys stop painting other people religion to be black in an indirect attempt to make yours righteous..if your belief is the best then prove it.

I've never said pagan supreme God is all loving. No pagan religion attributes ultimate purity, holiness and righteous to their supreme God or gods. God is the source of everything, good and evil. that's why it's important to keep a balance

joel lala: @macof, the pagan god aint no nice guy too if thats what you want to aim at..however, i believe that your arguement should be thrrown at ooman and not striktlymi

NO the pagan gods not GOD aint so nice because they dont have to be, Their duty is to keep balance. they are nice sometimes and mean at other times. This is the very instruction given to them by their father(the supreme God). And going by my Religion u dont have to worship the gods, its not neccessary, But there are people who worship when they need help from the gods and still continue to worship out of gratitude.

philfearon: If those forms part of your belief,then i can authoritatively tell you that Your beliefs are Kiddies Show,quote me anywhere!....
Someone must have forgotten his Biology lessons lol!!

Kiddies show you say? so are u looking for X rated?

I told you u cannot understand.
reasons why I keeping calling Christians hypocrites, you debunk my statement saying its against the laws of biology but you believe a virgin can give birth, you believe a man can exist before a man who lived on earth over 2000years before him. mtcheew pls just stop ur hypocricy

striktlymi: What is important to you? The way someone portrays you or the way you are?

The way I am is how I am and thats how people that claim to know me should portray me, If otherwise there would be problems for those who dont me to understand me.

philfearon: Bro,if at all you understand English language,you will know that the right English there should have been "I can asuredly tell you That before Abraham,i Was or I have Been",not "I AM"...
I am is always in the Present,not Past Tense bro,Thats why in Exodus,"I AM WHO I AM" was used too....stop reading the Bible like a robot bro...

2ndly,you are supposed to be showing/telling me "the other views" that are better..Dont u see doing 'em! Whats wrong?

Do u believe that U existed before you were born? Do u also believe that you are probably as old or older than your grandfather? well am sure u wont understand, these are things I have learnt from my Religion.

this thread is about Christianity and their views of God.
If you want to discuss OLODUMARE u can open a thread and invite me, I'll be glad to contribute

striktlymi: How do Christians portray God?

as a wicked, bias, discriminating, most-worship me and believe in my son or go to Hell God, a god that claims to be holy but allows evil. pls the list is so long, I dont want to type too much.
Any reasonable religious person can see that the way Christians portray him is degrading

Mintayo: John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,that He gave His Only Begotten Son, whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

boring zzzzzz

ooman: what do you mean by omniverse?

i believe in energy, i just cant believe it is conscious...

Ominiverse the totality of everything in existence, including all Alternate universes.

philfearon: The "I AM" claim by Jesus was written in Capital letters,not in small letters like the one you quoted above,so i dont know Why that is difficult to understand by You!!
And remember he said,"I can Assuredly tell You,that Before Abraham 'I AM'".....Its dificult for u to believe cuz u dont want to believe that Jesus is God...Yet,He said it Himself...All the bible translations said same thing,so keep avoiding the truth.....

so that statement makes him God? that statement simply means that before Abraham existed he existed, not that he is "I AM". that statement in no way relates him to the "I AM THAT I AM" statement in Exodus

ooman: believe me, i have been there, commented there, but in there, you only explained your religion, you offered no proof as to why it is true, or why energy has consciousness...

note that this conscious energy has also been called yahweh by a xtian, so how do you really prove which god this conscious energy is?

ok I offered no prove as to why its true but all I can say is that THE EXISTENCE OF THE OMINVERSE IS PROVE enough to establish the existence of a creator Energy

ajayikayod: Ok, sometin lik OLUKO AGBA. Actually God is not in everytin.

God is the the very reason evrything and anything exist. his Energy is present in everything and even more is present in us Humans. You once asked if it applies to animals like dog, goat etc. and the answer is YES!. when our bodies were formed, God deposited more of his Energy into us making us come alive, our souls are part of Gods essence because they are directly from him.

Normally God shouldnt be attributed as a male or female by using "He" or "She" but for the purpose of Christians who have been taught about God as a male figure, I would continue.
God is pure and living Energy with consciousness, that is why everything in existence is formed from Him. It is more appropriate to state that He is the Ultimate form of Energy, where other energies are formed from.

Everything as Energy, and those Energies have a Source= God

ooman: Tell me your story, perhaps I ll make sense of it...

I believe you can read some of it here. https://www.nairaland.com/1463158/aborisa-yoruba-religion

ooman: So you base your religion on your ancestral belief... Make sense...

Yes, you're right

olumidaie: If I may ask, why is it that Ijaw history/origin is intertwinned with Yoruba? I am not here as a Ilaje-Yoruba dude to claim Ijaw; but to get the truth of the question.

Ijaw claim Ideresoake as a founding father. Ideresoake aslo known as Osangangan Obamakin (and nicknamed OKANBI: as he was Oduduwa only son for a long period of time), was the 2nd Ooni of Ife, after his father, Oduduwa. (check History of the Yorubas by S. Johnson).

Ogun, Oduduwa second son (from Oduduwa palace maid/servant; ORUNTO) is also claimed by Ijaws.

Finally, Adimula (Oduduwa grandson fondly called OWA OBOKUN: the SEA SEEKER) is somtimes called the father of the Ijaws. Some Ijaws claim that on his way to get salt/sea water to clear his father Oduduwa's blindness; he impregnated a woman whose ofspring was Ijo. Adimula later went to Ife to found Ilesa( Ile ti a sha).

These claims are usually postulated by the Apoi-Ijaws here in Ondo state, and other Ijaw sub-groups. It's even the accepted origin of Ijo on the net in most/all Ijaw sites.

As an Ijaw person, do you see these claims as facts? Do you have an alternative origin to it? Do you see it as a political move by some expansionist Yorubas to get hold, and LEGITIMACY of your oil: probably when the country dissolve as predicted
I need you answer. Thanks in advance!

I know Ijo(Ijaw) and Yoruba have a link. but its hard to believe this

The Ogisos of former bini have Ijaw names, that means Ijaw is older than Benin or Benin came from Ijaw. We know that Oranmiyan was the one that set the current benin kingdom displacing all Ogiso claim to Benin's throne. So now to say Oranmiyan's father(Okanbi) founded Ijaw seems impossible.

the most excepted theory would be that, some Ijaw tribes are mixed with Ijaw and yoruba. Not that the entire Ijaw is of Yoruba Origin

ooman: that was supposed to be sarcastic, there can be no such thing as a god. its too complex to just exist.

the complexity depends on the story u dwelling on

NativeBoy: That is a non-sequitur. God doesn't belong to one race of man. He is the God of all. Was a Abraham Jewish?

technically, he was.
Abraham is the progenitor of the Jews, that makes him Jewish.
take Oduduwa for example. He is regarded as father of the yorubas that makes him yoruba

this so called God of the Jews is no God atol, he seems to be more like a Man

ooman: Ok, you are saying olodumare is energy, right? And do you seriously believe energy is conscious? If yes, offer proof pls

my Ancestors believed and thats the very reason for My religion. The consciousness of the Energy that created the Universe

joel lala: If your own understaning of the origin of life hasnt been found yet, is it then right to say that other religious beliefs on the origin of life are wrong? Also, how can you say someone evolved from something without proving where the original source came from?

thats the Irrational part of Atheistism

ooman: There is no such thing as a first ape, evolution is continuous.

I think where this question drives to is the origin of life, and that hasn't been found yet

It has been found but people like you refuse to believe it.

ooman: Just where does your god derive his own energy and who created him...

Don't tell me he's uncreated, that would make me claim I was not born too.

OLODUMARE has no begining, he has no creator, he has no end.

U know the scientific theory of "ENERY can neither be creator nor destroyed"? am sure u do.
OLODUMARE can neither be created nor destroyed, HE is THE SOURCE, THE VERY FIRST FORM OF ENERGY. your life is being preserved by your soul, which is part of OLODUMARE's essence

nnofaith: i dont dwell on any story.I am atheist.

u meant not believe the Jewish story but u dwell on it. The very essence of this thread is to discuss on the God the Jews/Christians talk about

ooman: care to expatiate about this god of yours?

-My God is OLODUMARE
-OLODUMARE is the source of all Energy
-OLODUMARE's very existence preserves the whole Universe
-OLODUMARE's energy is present in everything
-Our souls are part of OLODUMARE's essense
-U call say OLODUMARE is pure and living energy that controls the Universe

nnofaith: Hmmm! let me guess. olodumare?

am nt talking only about Yoruba but every other group. there are other religions that have something to say about God, If u dwell only on the Jewish stories, u cant really understand God

truthislight: Some times i have a lot to say, but find my self not saying it, reason being because of that statement above > "the christian God".

What really is "the christian God" ?
What is it ? Trinity ?

'Trinity'.

Aka 'God came to die'.

How does one defend such really baffles me. Smh.

No wander!

*We know the culprit/reasons for the attacks*

If u get to learn wat other religions say about God, u might find answers to ur questions

noblefada: No I don't think you were ever like me, because if u were, u won't talking about any yoruba religion, nothing can be compared to the HS in a man.

So wat are u trying to say? Are u trying to disrepute the Religion of my ancestors?

And this Holy spirit as u describe it has no power outside Jerusalem cause if it did it would keep Christians in good character unless the holy spirit is incompetent.

I prefer to thick with my Yoruba version of Irunmole

Op God exist just not the way Christians portray God. He is the much more than the Christians say he is. If you want to understand more about God, check out what other religions have to say.