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Image123: Thank God for the Bible. Embrace it and become civilized.

civilisation ends as soon as you become Christian

proevan: Op I am trying to think of a scripture to back this your experience, anyone at-all and I will agree totally with you. Can you share ?

and u can't find any.
Must everything that happens be about your book? Can't u Christians use common sense to solve problems. Am sure u would need your Bible to complete a puzzle game

ajayikayod: Well, u r the Rabbi (Master, Teacher) because u told me dt i kno nothing. So my Rabbi talk to me, Lets discuss on point.

your username is AJAYI so I assume you are my brother being a Yoruba. And it wud make more sense to use Yoruba words instead of Hebrew words

noblefada: I guess this ur advice is coming a bit late, because if salvation was only for the Jews I don't I think I should received the Holy Spirit, but alas I've rocking the Holy Spirit for more than 10 yrs now.

I used to think like you, I believed so much in wat the Jews said, and had no regard for my Yoruba beliefs. You better open your eyes and don't die for another man's course.

Maqp2: ..u say shame?....na 4rm pocket i dey take moni pay tithe?...hahaha ..so na winners chapel go solve nigeria problem ...u beta watch ur mouth and say wat u knw ...nd tel me.did oyedepo or adeboye tel u its tithe moni dey used 2 buy d jets? Nd hav u asked ursef wat re d jets used for?....plz my broda i dnt knw wat church u atend bt am very such dat evry church dat plans 2 go worlwide wil nid a private jet nt 1 nt 2 bt many...i am happy abt it..ur blames should be goin 2 dose receivin d taxes...wat wil dey do wit d moni?

So if Christianity isn't solving any problems why be a Christian at all. It's just a waste of time.

Maqp2: ....nd wat re u doin abt it?....tel ur pastor 2 sell his car and feed d starving ppl....cum dnt provoke me oh...it jets belong 2 d church nt oyedepo or adeboye...its 4 missionary purpose...oda pastors make use of it....dia re oda churches out dia 2 feed u...mst it be winners or rccg?...u hear of crusade here and there around d globe nd u knw fully wel dat 1 man can nt be in different places at d same time...therefore he sends delegates jst like federal government...plz stp criticizm..its nt d way 4ward..nobody is forcin u 2 pay anytin...do ur part nd leave odas alone

We know you attend the church,.pls shut up already

tobechi74: What makes the verses great?

it proves your God supports wickedness

femi2131: Now I see the fulfilment of the bible..'Tell the righteous it shall be well with him' how much does the poor pay in church? To start with transportation is free To and fro in winners how come it is the poor sweat! You people don't know how the kingdom run...is better you kip quiet..who is Dangote and Otedola that you guys are comparing with men of GOD? Is it their sweat they are eating?? It is Govt money..we all know the story behind their wealth. This men of GOD don't sleep around with woman don't drink don't party. Yet you don't want them to have the best aircrft. If Bimbo Odukoya would v had private Jet...am sure she would still be alive till now...may GOD 4give you all..

shut up u fool. Dangote and Adenuga run big companies in Africa, it's no surprise that they have the money for their jets.

But imagine a pastor having more than them.
Are u Christians not supposed to be acting according to the works of Yeshua? Did Yeshua own a single horse in his life time? Fooling brainwashed hypocrite

This just proves The Jews are wicked souls and their God is worse than their Satan. Christians I hope u reading this. What your God condoles.
So annoying that it's this same wicked God, they call loving and merciful.

Alfa Seltzer: Judges 21:10-12

10 So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12 They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

And how were they supposed to know the Virgins?

Maqp2: And moreova did dey tel u haterz al dis ministers dnt hav dia own private investments?...did dey tel u haterz dat dey dnt help d poor masses?....most ppl who use dem as dia role models succeed ...like i said earlier stick 2 wat works 4 u...2 al winners chapel members out dia ..double portion!!!

I can see Oyedepo is your master and role model. save journey on ur proposed career of fraud and deceit

noblefada: Again u err, pls read the bible esp the book of Isaiah u'll not only Jews eagerly waited for the messiah, let me just quote one passage Isa 60:3-5 KJV 3 And [b] the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising [\b] . Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
Though salvation originated from the Jews, but was made available to all, I'm a partakers and I'm not a Jew.

Do u really believe this shit applies to u? Damn!! How gullible can you be?

Salvation came through the Jews
Who brought the story of sin in the first place?

And did your ancestors ever preach about any salvation? Cause my Ancestors did not, If the Yoruba people needed salvation, the ancient Yoruba would have preached it.

This salvation shit applies only to the Jews, cause only them preached it. you have no business with Jews and their beliefs.

Wait a minute, wat ethnic group do u belong to? I know for a fact that no Nigerian ethnic group preached about any Adam and Eve, or any Saviour coming to deliver them.

[quote author=Mr.T Anonymous]This days,pastors now enriches their pockets at the expense of their church members,SMH
I wonder what will make me believe in christianity again

Why can't they use those money to help their church members

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P.S:This is why I hate them;they come to church on SUNDAY and pray for forgiveness knowing fully well that they are still going to sin on MONDAY,smh


BLOODY HYPOCRITES

Infact,how did I come across this thread

*walks out of the thread angrily*[/quote]you are blessed my bro. Thanks for this comment

noblefada: Because everything in the bible is about Christ, you guys only see Jesus in NT but he is actually revealed from genesis to malachi, it will amazed you to know that everything about Jesus was already predicted n revealed in the OT, it didn't do anything new, but only fulfill what men have been waiting for years, reconciliation with God. So Jesus did not just wake one day n took it upon himself to save the world, no he had been revealed long long ago.
Again Jesus was not the first to be killed by the Jews because they oppose their way of life, go read the OT, you will see so many, starting from zachariah the priest to Stephen, the first martyr of Christ n James the brother of John

point of correction- what THE JEWS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR years

These are the kinda questions that proves Christians are confused folks

striktlymi: I see your ish is probably not with Christ but with those who claim to follow him. If we continue to look at people and what they say, we certainly will never see any good because of the nature of man. I stopped looking at people a long time ago and focused my attention on the person of Christ. Would have wished you come back but hey...wishes are not horses.

Yeah it's not about Yeshua himself, he was a great teacher, a man of great value and I try to follow and learn from great men(Yeshua included) but the people who claim to worship him are disgusting. I can't take seriously a group of people that preach one thing and practice another, a clergy who is as corrupt as a notorious armed robber, mindless, brainwashed and self imposed mental slavery, hatred for ethnical traditions, etc. there's just too much that Christians do not know and you are wrong to even think their Piece of man written book explains half of the world's mysteries. Christianity is honestly a waste of my time, I can't be affiliated with these kind of people.

NativeBoy: We are probably derailing the thread a bit. I hope the OP won't mind too much.

Jesus didn't come to undo the belief system of the Jews. He was the very embodiment of it, the perfect fulfillment of the law. If any thing, Jesus showed us that the law was more difficult to live by than what the rabbis taught. But more importantly than that he came to show us the heart of God.

With regards to the sabbath, it was a matter of the rabbis worshipping the creature more than the creator. Yes, God commands the sabbath to be a day of rest, but did that mean you couldn't heal the sick, or prepare a meal. The rabbis saw Jesus as a threat because his understanding of the scriptures superseded their own and he taught the people with authority.

I don't understand by what you mean by saying was looking to get promoted in heaven.

I thought everything u Christians do or say is according to wat is written in ur Bible. Pls do not assume anything here, the Jewish priests were not threatened, they never were, Judaism has never for a day been threatened by Christianity, they don't take u guys seriously. But u take them too seriously, Afterall they are your masters

That I don't even like talking abt cus, it irritates me to think about it.

noblefada: I'm not too bothered about what the Jews thing about me, I'm more concerned about what God thinks and I know for sure He loves me much.

good. But why do u think Christianity is the only way to God?

NativeBoy: You should believe in Jesus because of your sins. I am neither judging nor condemning you. I am also a sinner; every single person is a sinner. Jesus is the one who has reconciled us with God the Father that we may be able to stand before Him knowing that our sins don't condemn us.

Indeed most of the Jewish leaders rejected him, but not all Jews rejected him. The early church in fact was almost all Jewish. The jewish leadership rejected him because they knew his truth was a threat to their rule. But you have to ask, what was so special about Jesus especially in a time when so many claimed to be the Messiah? Why did the Jewish leadership want him dead so badly that they chose to vindicate a known murderer? You see, Christ was proved at every opportunity even when it was told that he rose from the dead. Even his own disciples didn't believe it (no doubt you know the story involving the disciple thomas) which is to show you that they weren't the gullible unthinking minds as Christians are often arguing of being.

You rightly state the crucial piece. If Jesus did not rise, then Christianity is vain. But if he rose again, then we must all look to him for he us truth.

He rose again.

I don't need anyone to reconcile me with God, I was Never apart from him

The Jews were against him not because of power or any threat but because Jesus was blasphemous against their religion. He tried to modify their laws, he wasn't as discriminative as a typical Jew, he didn't observe the sabbath day rule.
He opposed them, that's why the people wished him dead.

And the Jesus of the Bible is so smart, he allowed himself to be crucified, knowing that he would resurrect and gain promotion in heaven. Your Jesus was very ambitious, he knew wat he wanted from the beginning and honestly didn't give a dime about Christians.

[quote author=*Kails*]you are aware that many african tribes are the result of two or more tribes mixing right? [/quote]there's a difference between tribe and ethnic group. tribes can be created by the mix of other tribes of the same ethnic group but ethnic groups have the same origin, no mixing.

The reason I pointed this out is because am very sure u mixing the words "tribe" and "ethnic"

dasparrow: @Post

Compatibility is more important than whether the person is from my tribe or not.

there's the highest probability of being compatible with someone from your tribe

NativeBoy: Christianity is not irrational. There is evidence for the historical Jesus if Nazareth and moreover, the evidence of the Holy Spirit evidences that he was who he claimed to be.

The question is, are atheists open to the evidence? If you scoffed about my statement about the Holy Spirit then you mostly likely aren't open to the evidence?

It comes down to this. In the natural world, we follow the scientific process in order to gain knowledge and understanding of the things that are natural. But with the things that are spiritual, a different process is required to gain knowledge and understanding of those things. Now, the process Jesus laid down is this: believe on me and you will see. It's not "believe in your pastor" or "believe in your church" or "believe in your denomination", it's to believe in Jesus, to seek Him.

So the question the honest skeptic must ask him/herself is whether they are willing to follow the process Jesus has laid down or not? If the answer is no, then the skeptic will run up against a wall every time since "the things of the spirit are spirit and the things of the flesh are flesh, and they are contrary."

and why must believe in Jesus to gain knowledge? even the Jews don't believe in him. But u see Africans condemning their ancestors and worshiping a Dead Jew with their lives. The Ancient Pagans have got more knowledge and wisdom than modern day Christians. THE ONLY THING U GAIN FROM CHRISTIANITY IS STUPIDITY

ajayikayod: I dont practise religion, i m a christian.
U still havent answered me.

ok then ur use of the word "Rabbi" can't make me take u seriously

striktlymi: That is not exactly correct. In Sacred scriptures Christ made us understand that he had other sheep that are his but not of his present flock.

That would imply that a number of folks were following the way of Christ but unaware of it. Whether one follows Christ directly or implicitly, we are all part of his flock and that means we all know God in our own way.

I never knew you were a Christian. Mind sharing why you left?

I like your points. However, going by what u hear in churches U can only make heaven if u accept Jesus as ur personal lord and saviour. by that u deduce that muslims and other religions can't make heaven, whether by acting righteous or not. A Christian would tell u that you can't achieve righteousness outside Jesus.


I left Christianity because of the hypocritical attitude of Christians, the way they have tried to demonise my ancestors, the fraud and immorality by pastors etc. Honestly there's nothing righteous in christianity. The moment christianity came, the world began to have more problems

InesQor: Yeah Israel has already served its purpose in the context of my post above. Their job was to produce Jesus in their lineage, and their job is now done.



I just used Egypt as an example. I could as well have used the Incas, China, Greece, Persia or any other ancient civilization.

So pls tell us, What if Yeshua was born Chinese? Wat do u think would be the difference?
And also why wasn't it China, India or any other Asian country? Why Israel? Why David's lineage?

noblefada: I've done severally, check the threads I've be commenting, you can start with "contradictions in the bible", but the most important thing is that Jesus loves you so much he gave His life for you, all you need to is to just believe and accept what he has done for you!

I prefer to believe the words of my ancestors than the words of the Jews who don't even regard u

InesQor: This is primarily for nwuyag:



This is not true. Yahweh was not exclusively God of the Jews.
Job was an example of a man who lived in a faraway land of Uz in the East and yet his God was Yahweh.

Job 1:1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

John 10:16
I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd.

Believers all over the world
There were pockets of believers all over the world, people like Job, Melchizedek and Jethro, who were non-Jews. But God chose Israel as a nation that would be entirely dedicated to him. The outsiders still had their instinct and conscience in the doing of right and wrong, which is something none of us can deny. They did not need to hear God use words explicitly to each and everyone or to send prophets to each and every nation. The law of God is already written in all hearts.

Romans 2:14-16 (MSG)
When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.

Why not?
And why not choose a nation? Politics and religion were hardly divorced from one another in the ancient civilizations. Almost all nations had a national religion which influenced their policies on war/ conquests, political and socio-economical decisions etc.

Why not Israel?
And why not Israel? If God had say, chosen Egypt (assuming that there had been someone like Abraham, from way back in Egypt), today the sceptic's question would be "Why did God choose Egypt?"

pls u should know that in Israel, they hate the idea of calling Yeshua the son of Yahweh. Only about 10% are Christians. The prevailing religions are Islam and Judaism

And u know why Egypt couldn't have been drowned into such. They already had an organised religion with the gods that they worshipped.

Honestly Abraham's family was a confused one. They worshipped the moon god of Uz, but Abraham was quick to change loyalties to another god.

Its possible that moon good was Halel but at the time there was a fight between halel and El. Halel was however sent to the underworld. And Abraham changed his loyalties.
During Abraham's time, there wasn't such a logic as "Only one god". Those u call angels were gods in the Original Jewish Pagan religion

ajayikayod: Nigerian

a Nigerian practising Judaism?

noblefada: He gave me the Holy Spirit and I received it by faith! the Holy Spirit has taught me so much on the mystery of Christ and the bible

so share wit us wat the holy spirit has taught u.

ajayikayod: Rabbi, u dont need to abuse, we are discussing intelligently.
Pls answer wat i asked before

U said god is everytin. And i ask if d god u talked about is also a goat and can be a pencil too, or possibly d sand under ur feet.

Before I answer ur questions. are u Jewish?

noblefada: You know u can get ur message across without insults, I believe we're having gentlemen's conversation. What I did was just to show you were switchicgurl was quoting from and as u see its describes perfectly the reason for this thread. See it doesn't matter ur intelligence, for a xtian Christ has been made wisdom unto us.

ok sorry for the insult.
U say Christ has made wisdom unto u. how so? wat has he impacted in ur life? how have u made contact? and wat has he taught u, dat u think u have become wise and knowledged?