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Olu317:
Just to save face,you keep drifting from one angle to another . Well done. Mind you, if it was my imagination, then researchers with names won't pass any comment as the following :

1. According to Johnson (1921:146), the iron studs are suggestive to represent Hebrew letter Resh and Yod

2. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, “There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,” but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees “horn and Johnson sees “ancient characters”- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod.
The written character on the staff actually gave us a clue to the fact that Yoruba at a point in history had developed some forms of ancient writing that is evident in Ifaodu corpus (signatures) in walls of Oluorogbo, Akire and Obalejugbe Shrines in Ile-Ife.

3. Wi Lizzie and others, in a 2008 article express view that “The meaning of these is unknow the interpretation of Johnson in connection the design is that:

“… the 61 nails in midline represent the number of years Oranyan lived, and that the 31 years either side indicates that he was 31 when he began to reign, and he reigned 31 years, that he began to reign being counted twice as manner of the Yorubas;”

It is not appropriate to interpret the arrangement of the nails as the numbers of years Oranmiyan lived and reigned. In the first place, if the ca on the obelisk are not regarded as “horn and axe but ancient characters – hieroglyphics definitely means the artists that designe obelisk was not a stranger to the writing cult Egypt. The Egyptians did not just write alone, they also wrote numbers because hieroglyphs accommodated both the writing of words and large numbers.

4.. Slideboom in 2011 says, ‘The significance of the arrangement of the nails can on comprehended if it is viewed from a perspective as a ‘t' trident. Among the Yoruba, it was connected with Poseidon of the Greece, by  Professor Leo Frobenious, a German School Newafrican (2010) writes “This was definitely a mistake, but the artwork in the city Ile-Ife was so sophisticated that it was easy to mistake it to that of Greek culture.

5. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, “There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,” but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees “horn and Johnson sees “ancient characters”- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod.

Commenting on one of the characteristics of hieroglyph writings Siculus writes:
From this explanation, it is clear that Dennet sees the shape of the letters in animal and implied forms while Johnson sees the letter per se as ancient form does in any way justify the differences they in the area of the number of nails on the obelisk. The discrepancies in their observation  not withstanding, the two of them still present design of the nails on the obelisk to be of t formation. This unique design -the t arrangement of the nails – is more than embellishment; it has symbolic meanings.


Note:
From the above commentators, how is it my imagination of the ancestors of the dynasty founders of Yoruba people to be from west Africa? What does the trident (pitchfork )mean in Classic Hebrew or Yoruba's writing culture or west African culture ? Why does subsahara not anything like the obelisk in their culture ? Why are Yoruba work compared with western culture and not Africans of subsahara groups ? Perhaps, you will explain it to us,since you have more advance Yoruba knowledge than many of us .

The 5 points you have made here actually contradict themselves in several places.
First you quote Johnson, then quote Fatunbi who draws a critic on everything people think they see on the obelisk, then in 3 you quote someone who interpretes the studs as lifespan and length of reign of Oranmiyan only to say the person is wrong, if you knew the person is wrong, why quote them
then in 4 , the person you quote says the studs are shaped into a 't' trident- just wtf is a t trident
and in 5 you repeat your point 2.

so what exactly have you achieved with this post? is this not irrelevant as you are known for?

Here is the picture of the studs on the Opa Oranyan and tell me where you see a Resh and Yod ( ר י)
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Here is an article by Claudia Zaslavsky the author of "Africa counts", here she references johnson respecfully and uses the reviews of William Fagg and Frank Willet to set things straight

2prexios:
Of course, that's the line you draw when overwhelmed. My point is established, you will always run from pillar to post.

Just think the thought, let me deal with it.

When you are tired, you will go back to where you truly belong. As often as you imagine, as often as I will provide you with better understanding.

LOL. Of course overwhelmed with irrelevant nonsense and whining. I'm not interested in your personal philosophy and life's dream and experiences

Please, I'm waiting for the day you will final provide better understanding and not word play
Because so far... All na wash
All this Odiyan na Odion people sef
You are a fraud that's all anyway

kayfra:
Egypt o gbe pali ni

kíákíá lo fẹ́ gbé Egypt sọnù
Ẹrin fẹ́ẹ́ pa mi

2prexios:
This further proves that you are not Yoruba. However you want to hide by bringing me to insulting you.

I have left that level of conversation. It's should be your strength for lack of home training. Nkiise omo irankiran. Baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje.



Who cares where you learn methodology from fella? Use the process to solve problem, nna. If you like, learn it from Cambridge, better insight await man from least expected people and places than what you know.

I've told you before that your education made you push value around rather than create value. We're not talking about process, but application of process for results. Leave the hide and seek game unless you can't.

I've told you to tell us what you mean by Green Sahara, you are no longer talking about that. So kiddish. Soon you bring that up again as though it's something. I don't blame you, I get your time na im cos.




This doesn't interpret the antique word "Eletu Iwase" or "nigba Iwase". Does it? We are tired of your grammar, exploit methodology and let's see how you use the process on the simple historical words.

That it's costing you this stress implies that you have no idea. Tell us something. Talk is cheap.



Bro, I am Yoruba. Bomode o batan, onilati ba arobba. Aroba ni baba itan. Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe Ife. Owo Omode ko to pepe, tagbalagba o wo keregbe.

Elders in Yoruba are people who want to know why an oriki of the great ooni would say omo agbegbede Oyinbo, or that of Eletu Iwase, omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona. Olu will equally want to know.

It's not my first encounter with such either, I also have mine that says "mogbo ayato, omo oyinbo aise, omo afija sinu pete erin..." from my maternal grandmother.

Although she's Wae Agonnenu like my paternal grandfather. Her mom was the Scion of Agoro, resident in idojigan quarter of Ado. I dwell on this for a purpose.

At age 9, my family were preparing for "agogbo" meaning great burial feast. I was sick and laying beside my grandma. She was speaking about her mom and said if she knew how to write, she would have written about her mom.

It's at this conversation it occurred to me that people wrote books, I said in my mind, "when I grow up, I will write my book" So, I'm not seeking relevance here, I'm just on my path to greatness.

So, what is constant here is the "Oyinbo" and it's no crime in finding out for more. You have no such experience as mine, I understand your concern, you are a necessary obstacle to become a stepping stone.



You are not capable of thinking out of the box. This imaginary authorities have cowered your ability to be free and formulate your thoughts based on what you can see through tradition.

You can read up on the philosopher called Baruch Espinoza, he was the first to introduce historico-criticism of the Bible. He was excommunicated from the synagogue, but he was fulfilled by the simplicity of his works.

Espinosa teaches that God is not the master puppeteer, but that he lives in us to make the choices we make. We are thus a passing in the rains of time, doing what is in our mature to do.

You are doing what is in your nature to do, being a stumbling block. I am doing what is in my nature to do, using you as a stepping stone. So, we are here helping each other to be fulfilled.



If so, have you found the Niger Congo to be a historical fact that had evolved to become a better fact? When was that discovery? According to Goethe, "a man who cannot draw from 3,000 years is living from hands to mouth."

Okay, so the discovery that came after the observation of the similarities in Sanscrit and European languages explain the origin of Yoruba. An hypothetical classification of language in the same family for linguistic identify became our antiquity.

You are not sick.



Use the same words and their true meaning to burst my ruse. If I say ijebu is double for Jebusite or Jebus as you have it in the Bible, you use the true meaning of Ijebu to expose me.

Just as I am after Hebrew, you are not. "For the product of an action to be in equilibrium, there must be equal and opposite reactions." Says Sir Isaac Newton.

You are equally sick from the opposite direction.

When you are tired of seeking relevance you will go and seek mental treatment.
You have not yet found what you want from life, this history thing is not your thing at all

Olu317:
macof, I have answered many questions through my paleography knowledge and the transliteration . But your uncultured vulgar words pisses one off because, you are contesting what you don't have knowledge, which is highly shocking. Therefore, if you want intellectual juxtaposition, then rebrand yourself and I will teach you more on Classic Hebrew's language. In fact,the comparison between the Hebrew block letters that came into use after the Babylonian captivity (that commenced about 586 BC), the proposed original alphabet of "Proto-Hebrew" and the Egyptian Hieroglyphs may have been the basis for many of the letters. (from Douglas Petrovich)

Additionally, the discovery of many other alphabetic inscriptions in the Canaan area dated to the period from 1200-1050 BC helped facilitate the understanding of This lettering and its migration which was also found in Egypt.

Mind you, I am from an ancestor whose is from ‘Oru', which imminent in my general oriki. And it is of good note that,Oru/Or, are true cognate with same in meaning.

Even the Hebrew you claim to know we haven't seen the result of this master fluency in classical Hebrew in your attempt to link it to Yoruba

We have dealt with this, I specifically opened a thread for you to go wild with your knowledge only for you to make more ludicrous baseless claims and turning the whole thread into a shit show
Knowledge can be verified, this your own knowledge na only your imagination e dey

Olu317:
It seems you think that I am novice of some sort on this subject matter. Sir, I know paleography and I am familiar with written books by Yorubas or Africans or western researchers on Yoruba and even with the so called language of spoken in Egypt at one time or the other. However, kindly answer the following questions if you think Yoruba didn't traveled from Mesoptamia through Egypt and West Africa Nigeria.

1. Why did the Yoruba language you claimed to be Egyptian's not written in hieroglyphs ?

2. Why was a siniatic language different from the real Classic Hebrew found in Egypt ?

3. Why were the headgears of ancient Yoruba kings not like the ones found in Egypt?

4. Do you know the year the language left Egypt ?

5. Why didn't the Egyptian's kings head wear not having birds designed inscription in their crowns ?

6. Why isn't the opa oranmiyan obelisk not classified as Egyptian lettering but Hebrew's?



Let me stop here. And wait for your response .

@lawani
This is not my business as both Egyptian and semitic origin of yoruba holds no water but its interesting how every single one of you who are adamant on a "into West Africa migration of yoruba language and civilization" don't agree on a single point
Everyone is so dependent on their imagination

@olu
Every single question you have here is valid as scrutiny against lawani yet similar questions you cannot answer for your claim on Hebrews

How is it that you become a good critic and wish to be analytic when it came to Egypt but all that drops when it comes to Hebrew
@nlposter, kayfra are you seeing this?

2prexios:
Your examples are Turkish, Vikings, Norse and French when you are dealing with a Niger Congo linguistics. So no worthy examples within the linguistic family?

You are a good 'electronic historian', you have no intelligence to postulate instances in the languages you claim to know so much about.

But you know everything about distance languages that you can draw instance from such to explain your blind spot.

Your blind spot is that you are not versed in any indigenous language that you can't figure out online.

Deal with the post if you have anything to say.. Those are valid examples of languages inheriting words and elements from the original language of its native speakers but of course as it doesn't lead to Hebrews you must attack it.. If I had said Osun is Esther oh woah you would have gotten an erection.
Rather than try to look for my blind spot show how that post is wrong if you think it is
Dullard

2prexios:
I don't know what you are referring to here bro. Yoruba dun l'ede, baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje. You are not Yoruba, so I understand your frustrations.



How does methodology became a crucial subject on this thread brother? You don't often get it when I push you to the edge of your intellect. "Methodology" is a "process", not "result".

You apply a process to get results. How I wish you understand the difference. A good instance present itself to you earlier, but you blow it with the need to be a 'phantom authority'.

It's not methodology that's the next port of call. It''s appraisal and classification. You seem to be stuck to the word and failed to learn further.

Classification And Appraisal

You can classify an oriki by it's literary specifics as inherent in it's content and plot of it's composition to enable valid appraisal on it's historical importance.

Methodology was the word I first used here replying you at page 3, at page 42, it enter into your lexicon and recently, it's your validation for development of history by a university product. History is not all about this register, you can talk about something else.

Folk tradition derived from a group of people on their own, the details are transmitted orally or otherwise through the culture, and it gets to the receiver at the other end of time.

There's no methodology about this other than mouth to mouth transmission of ancestral pedegree. This was how oriki get to us.

Must everything be endlessly enslaved to methodology?



Well the box you operates from is apparent to me. Your character defines you: your SKA Skill, Knowledge and Attitude is the feedback from rational reactions to the Hamitic theory of the last century.

This theory produced a historical activism in you as in many and people react to it differently. People are unique and your angle is a good example of this.



Well sorry if I've attacked you. What do I know when all I know is that I don't know anything. Tell me what Green Sahara means. Seems history depends on it.



Kindly call my attention to it. How do I come to that conclusion? Except you want me to buy any junk that cannot be validated by another tradition as pristine tradition.



My brother, you are not Yoruba, so don't bother your head trying to teach me my language. But if you must do, Yoruba is a tonal language, try interpret the word to suit your argument. Then give us your version.

That's the deal. I am waiting.




Well I don't know how to get you to understand. Let's say the history of the Yoruba has some entries that matches with the history of the Levant in place names, this create double entry in human history.

If such come across to you as phenomenal, you are at liberty to write about it to further the understanding of knowledge enthusiasts. The same thing may be thrash to another person.

It's the same thing that inspired at first the interest in Indo-European language, which spiralled down to Greenberg work and classification of the language in linguistics. I never learn this from you, but now you know.

This gives a hypothetical framework of the original language that the people so classified could have spoken originally. Note "hypothetical".

If you have scientific background, you should know that idea moves from observation to hypothesis then to theory and if unchallenged, it becomes a principle. Your own is from observation to principle.



This is the core of your intellect. You need not teach me your worldview. Rather, it's like saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I don't equate "emigration" to "civilization". You are aware of your limitations, not mine.

I know things are hard for you to swallow. I duly respect every source of Yoruba tradition and do not buy into seeking from the Oduduwa stories to validate my findings, but from common Yoruba tradition. So, I don't share the imperial bug.

I don't peddle Hamitic theory, I never claimed some people mixed up with the Yoruba. I said Yoruba ancestors emigrated from the Levant, I know that's breathtaking, kajiko? Hence the Yoruba claims to be "omo anibi ni Iran."

The Yoruba Civilization

Civilization is human property. Civilization is part of the characteristics of man. Every human being that gathers and agree to common purpose and fraternity are already on the way to building a civilization thousands of years ago.

The moment the Yoruba ancestors migrated from the Levant, a civilization is borne. Wherever they anchored, they become a civilization and since they were derived from earlier civilization, you have token from such in their culture.



Thanks.

This dullard just likes hyping himself
I am not yoruba so I will not understand? your father is not more Yoruba than me.. Go and ask him for your Hebrew ancestors

I learnt the principle of using a methodology in historical research from you??
No, not my professors, not my studies but some dullard on nairaland who doesn't even respect nor use a methodology

The folk traditions you keep mentioning very well dispel any idea of Hebrew origin, the oriki and sayings do not remotely imply Hebrew connection. Your obsession for Hebrews is so unhealthy and I've said it before that you have never seemed psychological OK
The elders are clear on the fact that Yoruba believe to be the source, not sourced from others
But a dullard who has no single significance is so out seeking for relevance to challenge those who know better than you... Where the case such that your challenge came with points that actually disprove the position of your betters, we would have taken your claims seriously and maybe even awarded you honours for seeing what scholars and elders failed to see

After stating that science is borne of observation and evolves through stages to become fact
You still went ahead to proclaim Yoruba migration from Isreal as if it were a fact
Your so called observations have already been flogged off as obsessions and overstretch. You already have a conclusion and only use word play to attempt to fill the gap between observation and conclusion, basically refusing anything that could lead you away from Hebrews
You are not after facts... You are after Hebrews
You are a fraud and a mentally sick one

Obalufon:
Retard Bantus Do you know the essence of religion in human evolution ..At what point did yoruba break away from Niger congo batoid..40,000yrs or what .?laughing caged brain some much believe all junk written by white people that can still be disproved later .. read books written by African scholars

1. Languages are not grouped by the religion of the people.
2. Yorùbá religion/spirituality is not of the middle East but very West African

oh do tell me what books you have ever read in this your life
If only you knew how dumb you are

2prexios:
It's interesting how persistent you are in your phantom expertise and onerous debunkery business. Do you roll in as multipurpose linguistic and historian here?

So, "Niger Congo" and "late Stone Age" are debunkery of my claims? Or slamming my posts with "furgery" and what's not a debunkery?

You can never think out of the box or box me up in your convenient convictions. Your claims are your views, not fact. No one argues with fact. So, your education is not my education, so just keep your lane.



Well it's because you are not Yoruba. If you are, you would know that when Yoruba says "nigba Iwase" they were referring to "the inception".

Now that you know, don't mesmerize, just give another better word for this in your findings or understanding. Use it to butress your next points.

If a section of the Yoruba, a family for that matter has a credible contribution to add to the memoirs of the antiquity of the Yoruba, would it be dumb to categorize the entry in a time suitable to the PLOT of the oriki?

@the bolded, by the name of the family in question, Eletu Iwase means "coordinator of the arrival at inception". If you have a better meaning, offer it.

So, how do you expect me to understand this about the oriki and still fail to see that the pioneer of that family line played a crucial role at the inception of Yoruba?

I am not the one doing the talking, the oriki is my guide. The patriarch was long gone but a family kept the memoirs, others might be descended here that have lost connection.

Many leaders were on the ships of the founding fathers, and we have contacted the family whose father captained the ship. Oduduwa was not everything Yoruba. There were others too.



And "omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona" means that they were trying to establish their confidence in "Niger Congo linguistics" and had never had contact with any other race talkless of spotting a mention of such in their pedegree?

What stops them from mentioning a place like Fon or Igbo that better butress your point? How did I implied Odiyan means Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East?

Instead of searching for a parralel (oriki Eletu odibo) and referring us further to "what we cannot see" as "fact", kindly do us a favor,

1. Pick the one you have and tell us what it's plot is all about,

2. Compare it's content with that of the parralel if necessary.

At some point, history calls on folk tradition. Let's see how your proficiency solve this traditional problem. It's not Everytime you have to insults, sometimes you delve into tradition.

You talk of METHODOLOGY very often, apply it on this piece as an authority.

you had posted this before and I ignored it being another useless irrelevant post which you are known for
Editing it to mention me to it doesn't make it less useless

I have addressed everything here from the importance of having a methodology and taking folk traditions seriously to what language families are all about. Thinking outside the box does not mean dismiss every fact and present delusions in its place. You are not thinking outside any box, you don't even understand or know what the box is
Coming from a dullard who couldn't comprehend what the idea of Green sahara is or any other thing you jump on to attack

Neither Oriki nor any form of yoruba traditions is your "guide" you have here on this very thread proclaimed Yoruba traditions wrong when you cannot overstretch Hebrew into it. The Eletu in question traces his origin in that oriki to Benin and not Edom or Jordan or Israel. And nothing implies the act of migration in the words "Eletu Iwase".. And even if we start talking about migration, why Semitic people, chiefly Hebrews?
When you are obsessed with Hebrews you want to see them reflected everywhere

I have also taught you severally that saying Yoruba are local West Africans doesn't mean Yoruba are uncivilised. Africans are not uncivilised people who need the middle East to "have a history"
But of course a relevance-seeking-know-nothing cannot get it and would rather keep running in circles

lawani:
I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

didn't find anything though

absoluteSuccess:
Again, I will tell you that adding "Niger Congo" (from Greenberg) and "4000 years" ago (from John Hunter-Duvar) and matching it up with some place names in Yoruba as "The origin of the Yoruba people" is a "history" that a university professor would have "developed" for your kind.

It's scandalous.

If that's education to you, better keep it and keep the gate shot eternally to me. I am confidence in the oral records of the Yoruba, I don't need to ask for your permission to choose my convictions.



I have infested your brain. What I can remember from you is "methods", "Niger Congo", "linguistics", "anthropology", and horde of insults. You claim to know but your knowledge is stuck somewhere.

All you do here is fight with watery basics. You lack hold on any Yoruba tradition, only grammar, polemics and insults. You have no joy because you have nothing that gives you one, so you must rob others of their own.



My confidence is backed up by my background: omo iwaju oloko tii s'owo. The Yoruba explorers of old were paid for their works of exploration and discoveries as that piece portends, I will earn healthy profit from my talk about them. You have no need to cry over this na.




I thought you used to have a counter thread to this one? Did you ever smell me opening it? So it's not enough to do your bidding, why pay me any regards being on my thread when you are that grandiose?

Bro, I don't think I'm doing this to rob you of your fame. You are a pathological case and a gay, can you please get behind me, devil?

I know you have subtle means of making your wrong turn to right. Please from now on, pay me no regards. I am writing from my ancestral pedegree. I am not ashame of it. Please live your life and let me live mine, dirty psychopath.



Oriki As 'Domestic Rite' Dating Back To Yoruba Origin

My grandma was Ohori, and in the Levant we have the Horites. Her oriki goes thus: "Jaka ara 'weme, omoba tente lori omi".

Weme means "people of the book", omoba tente lori omi means "progeny of the king on the surface of the sea".

The Horites were the original people that inhabited Edom, where did they went? Here we have Hori who claimed to have came through the sea.

My maternal grandpa was Fon: and a line in this family pedegree goes thus: "aho mede yonwe, nyon en, aho mede gbewe, n gbe eh":

The family trace back to Ahoru Jaka, and the people pride themselves as "Waenu" meaning "people of the grey haired couple" fuwa or ewu is owa in Fon, meaning grey hair.

What do their oriki implies? To the Fon, oriki means "Ako" which is ultimately from Yoruba, where the word means "pride". Therefore, the wae-agomenu (where I hailed from) pride themselves as

"atin gragra no donu dawata, aho degbato masiken, aho mede yonwe nyon en, aho mede gbewe ngbeh e'

That's such a meaningful piece: a despiteful stick is sounding to become a sought after merchandise, the royal that crush civilizations is wary of no foe: royal who knows you, I know him, royal who forsake you I foresook"

The tetgrammation

The name of God among my mom's lineage is Jehweh, and among the Fon, "Yahwehnor" is their word for "man of God". This is the sacred tetgrammation with the Hebrew. So all this are mere coincidence?

However, it doesn't mean they were followers of Judaism. They have their own totem called "manumanu" or "dagbe". It's the root for Dahome, meaning home of the boa. The totem is called "baba", meaning "father".

The people of the book

This folks were conversant with the tradition of the people of the book too: it's featured in their praise for their totem, Odan (serpent), and it says,

"Yan bio me wema ton, o baba o, o lese" meaning "pursued into the people of the book, the father, he can do it". Do we have a people of the book in Niger Congo antiquity, I will like to know, but until then, Phoenicians have it.

The people of the book were Canaanites, Byblos. This are good tradition or starters. Some have no pedegree, but I have and I'm exercising authority based on my pedegree. I am born in history bro.

There's no rule against finding out what you want to know from your antiquity in your oriki, which compares to "origin" in English. Both would have been cognates if you want.



Satanic bantu, get thee behind me.

How to sight a fraud.

nlPoster:
The sculptures I believe are by Susan Wenger the Osun priestess of Osogbo who was from Germany (correct me if wrong).

So they were probably made around the 1960s or so, not sure.

Osun Osogbo groove (sculptures featured by the op) is a UNESCO World Heritage site and national monument.

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1118/

https://zodml.org/discover-nigeria/heritage-and-culture/osun-osogbo-grove

It is also a fertility symbol.

From Graz Austria

RedboneSmith:
"Ancient"?

I'm curious, in relation to African history or more specifically West African history what time would you say is "ancient"

lawani:
I am surprised you don't know the Yoruba we speak is over 50% kemitic Egyptian by vocabulary. What I call kemitic Egyptian is what olu317 calls ancient Hebrew.

Nobody can know this without evidence oga
Lets not water down what it means to "know" something
If you THINK Yoruba people ever spoke Kemitic Egyptian, that one is your own o but there's no evidence of that and I think study of yoruba language has gone so far that if Egyptian influence was over 50% like you say it should be obvious and very easy to highlight

And what you call Egyptian is not what he calls Hebrew. Both languages are two distinct languages not even in the same immediate language family

lawani:
The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian, yet it is classified as Niger Congo. The pidgin English spoken in Nigeria today maybe classified as Niger Congo in 2000 years.

that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

absoluteSuccess:
LOL, do you have to guess after I have my link to the facebook profile on my older thread where you are a contributor? Your style of lying is of ivy league university class. No wonder thrash started coming to my facebook timeline once I added you as friend, only God know the extent you wont go with your penchant for hatred.

And thank you for weeping for me, I've discovered my "place of primary assignment" in Yoruba oral tradition, and I am very committed to it. It serves me more than all the great jobs and degree in this world and I have burn all my certificates for the pearl that I have found in Yoruba tradition, keep the key to your harvard.



Go back to my post and read very well I know how taking ones point out of context is important to you. I am only giving constructive critism on education and a caveat to taking 'false history' as gospel truth in Yoruba history.

It does not take a magician to know that you have no specialised education nor regard for methodology, what a university trained individual would have developed.
You are only seeking relevance and testing the waters thinking history is an easy discipline to milk with imaginary tales and word plays that don't add up ie. "Aramean is Oranmiyan", "Ebora is Abraham", "Edo is Edomite" and all that. Unfortunately there's no money for you to make but you might mislead unsuspecting readers and no lover of knowledge or educator should be ok with that
Me your facebook friend?
You must think I ever pay you any regard

absoluteSuccess:
Very candid observations. All that macof is here to do has come to the open, he wants to "debrief the Yoruba" on hold to her tradition, which makes her stand apart from what the linguists want us to belief, as Yoruba tradition is a mystery that could possibly upset the apple pie order that is coming over us as a people, where our oral tradition will no longer amount to anything in the telling of our history.

In this scheme of things, we are being reduced to spectators and meant to spend to obtain a degree in history (to be further confused and speak whats not as proper history) before we could ever open our mouth in the assembly of people to tell a history about our origin, its the taking over of "the university" in "modernized" history telling. Whatever does not respect tradition is a deviation.

This is the man weeping over my accuracy in interpreting whatever he meant by green sahara, and was sharing banter with co-bantu about the Yoruba Oriki tradition, he could mock the veracity of oriki as a valid testament of history but his word, a figment of his imagination must be robed in royal mystery because kato seju pe nisin, a gbe precision machine were kan jade again pe story oun lo accurate.

Bloody clown
Linguistics and historians are wrong despite the evidence
But a Jobless frat like yourself who has been debunked time and time again is correct. You have failed to make a superior argument yet wish to be accorded superior respect

I have never mocked any oriki. I mocked your interpretation of it as an obsessed attempt to link Yoruba to Hebrews. Nothing in the Eletu Iwase oriki connects the family to Hebrews
What's more you try to apply the oriki of a single family to the origin of all Yoruba. How dumb is that
Even members of the Eletu Iwase and Eletu Odibo families in Lagos who have the "ọmọ odiyan" in their oriki have never claimed to be from Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East but some frat wants to use their oriki to say something that isn't there

Olu317:
Kindly go to Politic section, where you will be heard because you are a pathological fraud claiming that someone else is a fraud. Zoom off this thread if nothing tangible to advance this course can not come out of your medulla Oblongata.

Something tangible to advance your cause of directing yorubas towards the Hebrews is what I've been asking for
We both know none you can provide a sound argument
Just look at the other nincompoop

Obalufon:
Your generation na Congo. I dont give a Damn about Christianity or Hebrew religion but fact and truth will always prevail . I'm a direct lineage of Obalufon... I can believe anything else except Congo ..Our religion predate abrahamic religion more than 10,000yrs .If you know the importance of religion and social cultural system in tracing peoples Origin you will know better ...Don't merge yoruba with your Niger Congo or bantus ..You call yourself scholar you are still talking about Niger Congo 70yrs research that was done by racist whites folks that know nothing about us, they tag us savage because of some backward animals they merge us with .. Ibo boy macof your people are breed of monkey and human,,that's what yoruba believe you people are

Confused nincompoop. You have no idea of anything in this world
So it is religion/spirituality that determines language classifications Not syntax, not vocabulary, not Semantics but religion
The religion/spirituality in question that is also very steeped in West Africa and similar to that of yoruba neighbours.
What a dumb fuvk, a disgrace to the Ọbàlùfọ̀n you claim to descend from
So in your mind Yoruba spirituality is not related to that of the Igbo or Fon or other West Africans but rather similar to Judaism/Yahwism of the Hebrews

Unfortunately for you, Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language

Obalufon:
you are the Niger congo not me ...who conduct the research? y... we don't share the same religion with Niger Congo people ... Religion is the key to unlock the mystery.. bantu people share comon religion pattern and how they relate with their environment .

slowpoke
O má ṣé o

So the Christianity/Islam religion you practice that is driving you insane you think it is local to yorubas? Or what exactly is this one saying because I know for a fact that you have no dealings or concern for Isese or Orisa traditions so that can't be what you refer to as your religion

Obalufon:
Niger congo says who ..white master..You need to update man knowledge is not static..

Whites may be your master, after all you follow their religion... Which is the only reason you want to be Hebrew by all means necessary. Not mine

However people of European descent do not have a monopoly on intelligence and capability for research and study. Research and study has shown Yoruba to be a Niger-Congo language, you go challenge that with superior argument

absoluteSuccess:
Well we can see through your input and my input and arrive at a valid inference. It's possible you want to make "Fraud" a way of escape, but the true meaning of the word points to you.

1. Meritocratic fraud

This played out when history of the Yoruba is reduced to the linguistic concept of "Niger Congo", a phrase that the people do not have in their lexicon, which was rather coined by Greenberg in the 1950s.

And then the "Stone Age", which derived from the work of John Hunter-Duvar, The Stone, Bronze and Iron Ages, published in 1892. Then the timeframe of the late Stone Age became the time of origin of the Yoruba.

Thus, the Yoruba history was reinvented from careful combination of the above, without any point of reference to her indigenous tradition of origin even such as adjudged prehistoric.

The Yoruba history is therefore submerged into the literary concepts of the above named authors, but with local place names as 'elements of stability' in the claim of Prof Akintoye.

That kind of history is a hoax at best. Hunter-Duvar said on page 205, "Were it not that folk-lore has almost died out, more than one domestic rite might be traced back to the stone age."

So how does the linguistic classification of Yoruba language became the phrase and place of her origin and antiquity? How does Greenberg handed us our folklore and Hunter-Duvar a year of origin?

2. Green Sahara Fraud

This is the imaginative claim that the Sahara was a barrier separating the Asian and Africa such that the two people never had anything in common in antiquity.

But linguistics placed Hausa and Hebrew as Afroasiatic. How manage that the Hausa and other indigenous Nigerian languages had common origin in Afroasia?

The insistence that the Sahara is impenetrable is casting a blindfold on the intelligence of the simple folks for ulterior motives. This is yet another silly fraud.

3. The Metascience fraud

We live in the era of artificial intelligence with machines that portends to be smarter than human being. Some folks were made intellectually incompetent by this.

For instance, the electronic gadgets can only serve as medium for human automated gradients and not a gradients of its own intelligence.

Therefore, if it's reading on it's sensors gives 2% difference from what earlier gadgets could have, it's impossible for the gadget to tell you what has not been programed into it.

It's left to human interpretation whatever to make of this, whether or not it is a contact with aliens or the ancestors some 43,000 years ago or 43,000 years into space.

We are wise to know where to look, but some rather warm up to "the history" that will spin from this in future time. Yet it's human input and output going through gadgets.

The implication of this is WYSIWYG.

You can predict the outcome.

Dullard, I've told you that you understand neither what the idea of a green sahara means nor what it means for languages to belong in a single language family. You hardly understand anything you try to respond to no matter how clear and obvious the point is.
Calling Yoruba's place in the Niger-Congo group of languages a fraud while claiming Yoruba is Semitic.. Smh
You don't understand anything.. .just look at this mess of a post

When you provide substance of worth that can be followed up with historical methods that supercede what renowned historians, linguists and anthropologists are doing then I would take you seriously.
Imagine one jobless fellow trying to stage himself as an expert on a topic he knows nothing about. At best if you have any education at all it would have seen you drop out early and certainly not in any field relevant to this discussion.. I'm guessing mass comm. in some backwater polytechnic that didn't serve you well
Because it takes some real shiity life to say education is useless or experts are fraud but you some lowlife has been ordained master of yoruba origin

absoluteSuccess:
You are entitled to your opinion sir, I've made myself very clear upfront to the public for the upteenth time about me. So that anyone can be familiar with the writer and his thoughts.

You can choose to agree or disagree with my findings, but I'll make sure I don't coerced anyone.

I would like to be a medium that oral records can channel itself with minimal personal interference, so that the fact can speak by itself. This require native intelligence, not university degree.




I am not teaching the principles of philosophy or further maths here bro. All I need to know about my ancestors I have learned that from childhood.

There is something called "home" where you receives 'informal education', you are born into it, you don't have to go to school for it. Once you have sort out your "homework", "classwork" is easier.

The education we are talking about here is a branch of knowledge that has not been upgraded to a classroom curriculum because our educational system was not 'home grown'.

The British educational policy to her colonies bordered itself in training the common people, some basic grammar to educate folks for colonial clerical duties they were prepared for, hence it's either grammar school or comprehensive high School.

A people with this educational background in their recent history are at disadvantage, you are programmed to parrot the worldview of your Masters. How would you expect to have Yoruba history different from the advent of the British as part of the syllabus?

That makes Yoruba history the story of 'British West Africa'. Is that a history for all time Yoruba as it could be? It's either the slave trade or colonial history. Now there is class work and there's homework.

Then if you can dig deep and unravel unknown record, would you have become the man of the moment to the keepers of the meritocratic institution like yours? Up till now, not all knowledge had been classified.

Some knowledge are not yet plucked from the privy, as the Bible says, 'the secret things belongs to God, and those that are revealed belong to us and our children...' So God reveals knowledge, not the school.

Again, since we have the premier university, how many indigenous knowledge has made it through SUPEB to be accredited as a subject in the classroom?

Because such could not be thought of or it's mindless to expect that to solve the tetrahedral problems facing the country. So it's always going after foreign subjects.

You can see why Nigerian youth are running out of the country for menial jobs in the developed countries because the original plan of the "Colonial Masters comes to play.

Your education makes you serve their children at the expense of the poor whose taxes pay for the educational instructions, and rather than make life better for them through creation of value, you blame the "country" or whatever.

Your education is a meritocracy that has failed to create value but only push value around at the expense of the poor. That's why 97% of what you do here is "curse" and not "discuss". You can't create value.



I don't think I drop a line here without an anchor word that is Yoruba. All my thoughts are activated by a Yoruba word that I found to be wonderous and thought provoking.

As such I love to share with like minds our rich heritage as a people. Who loves to discuss with someone who makes up accusations at freewill, who says I've used negative words on elders that I never been acquainted? Let's leave that aside.

The Yoruba intellectual of old coined most of such words, hence they were meaningful and praiseworthy. I don't expect a man whose only identity is 'Yoruba' to find my thoughts impressive. Because his bases is lacking.



Can you prove anyone wrong or right on a matter that you can't comprehend?

Go back to page 3 where you join this discussion in 2018 and consider your idea about Yoruba history in response to horla, then crosscheck it with your response to geosegun.

Till date, your knowledge is playing around Yoruba or isese. You have contributed no single vocabulary from Yoruba Lexis and structure to this discussion, so how do you now claim authority on difficult Yoruba imponderables?

@the bolded, you are a blackmail pro, having arguments with you is unhealthy. It's all you have been doing. Making yourself a referee in an intellectual matter that you have made rather a boxing contest with the opponent.

Should anyone ask you a question, you blow hot and ask 'do you know bla bla bla?' I don't that's why I asked, tell me about it. You can never do that, but to hide or rain insults.

Nobody gets you to ever make a sane reply, but that's what you demand and 'bully' them to do for you with this line of control that never applied to you.

How do you 'question' me in a civil discussion? Are you mad? Am I in anyway answerable to your judgement if I made my point known? Does your being right when you feel so put you at any golden advantage? You are not mentally healthy.




You are not serious
When you have gotten to the level of self aggrandizement that you think you can challenge institutions and people who have put in rigorous work on the topic of the west African past.



Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe; owo mode o to pepe, tagbalagba o wo 'keregbe. Aja iwoyi lom'ehoro iwoyii le; b'ifa ba kifunni a a ki funfa: imo o pin sibikan.

Lodifa fun enimoyi o moyi: ogun o roke; agbede o ro baba. l'owe l'owe laalulu agidigbo, ologbon nii jo, omoran nii modie.

Make your choice. Knowledge is already ended in the past with you. No innovation is possible again or afterwards based on the excruciating toils of the early experts.



You alone and those who Band together with you are the ordained historians and leaders of the Yoruba everyone else is wrong, how dare they question you eeee oo
That is some crazy shiit



We are not using their templates in our discussion, because we're not working on electronic history and and classroom curriculum. This topic is "extra-curricular" activity, trying to enforce a binding rule is yoking the freedom of discussion.



3. You actually don't comprehend anything. you are throwing the term "green sahara" in mockery and in such a way that shows you don't even understand what that actually means. Goes to show that you do not even allow yourself to process any information that doesn't say Yoruba are Hebrews.



You have earlier said 'knowledge is greater than imagination', I thought you are making a universal statement. But you are the last man with valid intellectual principles.

Now you have 'imagined' Green Sahara as food basket for races at either side of the divide, which will not warrant a search for Greener pasture and ultimately interbreeding. That's what you are cloaking guy.

Then how come you have afroasiatic languages comprising some indigenous Nigerian or West Africans? Hausa is at least West Africa, part of her tradition speaks of banza bokwoi, one of which is Yoruba.

Charity begins at home, tell your experts too to find a new name for afroasiatic languages that place Hausa and Hebrew as genetically connected languages.

You failed to see that your green Sahara is created as a great wall of China to keep either races apart in their 'era of splendid isolation'. Now you have that at your backyard to deal with. Your conclusions on it will be inimical to Prof. Akintoye on how Yoruba came to be I expect.



You are so obsessed with Hebrew people who you were indoctrinated into worshipping in church


You have this boogyman experience around the Hebrew. The Bible is a portable Homeland to the Hebrews and like an ancient compass, you can read it and rediscover your root if you have it's calibration in your culture.

We do in Yoruba. As a result of this, I can choose to enrich the tradition with sleeping records of old and make it my best contribution to the fringe of present knowledge. I've not acted against the law or the Constitution of the federal Republic.

It''s not wrong to be dedicated to just proving that point with my lifetime, remember I'm not using your lifetime? So you can find pretty much things to do with your lifetime if you have a reason to.



You also obviously don't know what Bantu means. And I have never said Yoruba are a Bantu admixture (you morons keep saying this I wonder where you got that from. Imagine 3/4 people misleading themselves over the same single point )



Every time you think people don't know a thing, assume you have the knowledge as artifact and no two people can have one thing at the same time to themselves alone. I don't know what Bantu means sir and I didn't want to know.

I asked you to make a stand on your 'electronic history' in your response to geosegun, you refused. Is there no interpretation on the genetic codes you cited from the source on your post?

I believe as a proxy intellectual, you don't know. But you are pain on this but love to imply the wrong meaning to others in their points and still blame them for not getting along with you.

How you cried around that I said Deborah is Ebora, did I take that against you that you are a slowpoke?

Meanwhile what I said back then was that Ebora means 'sacrifice vanished' and that it's metaphorical, and the concept is memorial for Abraham, whose sacrifice vanished in a trance.

You countered the point with Avram instead of Abram, and I said both words have rhymes in the two culture, Deborah rhymes with Ebora. I don't know how I mean rhymes as two separate words meaning the same thing.

I also said both Abram and Avram could be variant from the same source.

I draw your attention to Ebo and Avo, Yoruba and Egun for sacrifice, then to Abore and Avoseh, both meaning priests. I also said even Avoseh is Yoruba, afose, yet it's rooted in Egun.

My rejoinder to this now is that based on the new understanding on Abore as Avoseh, it means afose in Yoruba. And Afose is the horn that the Yoruba priests normally brandish as fetish.

The Hebrew connection is that the horn is useful to the priest in the yum Kippur, and the priest were prophets, 'awon ala fose': people who say things and it comes to pass. That's the analog.



4. Please I encourage discussion on yoruba history but don't talk trash, better you stay quiet if you can't handle being questioned or shown your mistake where you make one



You don't have to encourage anything, it boasting upon nothing. Your only identity is Yoruba, when we get there, we will call you. Won maa peyin kotii kanyin. 'Yoruba' has no Yoruba pedegree, and you have no pedegree to value this discussion.



5. You yourself have declared your Hebrew you are no longer Yoruba. Go back to your country in Israel
I am Yoruba, West African and proud



You have clarified that you don't have a sense of antiquity with your triffling. You think in Bloc when it comes to history, you handle with current affairs, when you are discussing antique topics, like Edom, you dropped 'Jordan'. Now, West Africa.

Yoruba is an appellation, not identity. West Africa is demographic nomenclature for a portion of the African continent to better understand geography and current affairs, not a validation of antiquity.

Proud is not a topic in history.

Your intelligence is at the lowest ebb of understanding, you have no innate clue to antiquities because of how you were probably trained. Look at the redbonesmith conclusions again.

Antiquity of the Yoruba is a carefully drawn origin from a linguistic family tree, rooted somewhere in the Niger, related to the list of places on that course southward.

Look properly at it, it's not an original idea but prose chart for Niger Congo chronological detail, not antiquity. It's indenignisation of a foreign concept.

History did not happen in science laboratory, it's science that seek to adapt itself to history. So, Niger Congo details of Yoruba history is mere "adoptive history". It's 'ex post facto' because Nok civilization could equally march northward, Westward, Eastward or whichever.

The Yoruba language and it's prototypes are family language of common origin. That's the originai linguistic claim. DNA cannot give it's root. Then the Prof looked covertly to archeology.

It's a cheap scholarship to hide under this cloak to build 'origin' for Yoruba by any veteran. It's slaving for foreign linguistic exercise at the expense of indeginous tradition.

So, this kind of education is what we deem as merit, hence our educational institutions churned out folks who have failed to solve our problems. Because our educational tradition is not home grown but accentuation of foreign education.

Another stupid rant of desperation
You are a Fraud and all this keeps exposing it

EsomahJD:
Interesting read. It will be nice to get more contributions from ppl with historical facts.

Cc moderators

the whole article is just about concocted and holds little historical information
Where does one even start to address the whole thing

Best ignore it all together

chinjo:
That Oba is a mad man na. Him don sniff Lizard shit again. He don dey yarn okpata

. Akiolu never said that. Don't mind all these useless Yoruba haters online carrying around fake news
Your insults should be directed to the fools whose destinies are fake news

It's because of people like them that social media should be regulated

Olu317:
It is obvious, whenever you see my post It, you always want to self-service . So,in your wildest dream, they walk with barefoot to present day Yoruba's land? Have you no knowledge of what I posted on beads found in IleIfe that which some were identified by W. G. van der Sleen (in Willett, 205-06) as an Indian trade-wind bead. Did India bead flew with wings?

Like, some silly ass says, If you don't want a black man to see a thing, hide it in a book! So you re unread colour man. What a disappointment to behold. Perhaps, when you are ready to call my attention because, I am not interested in your wailing since you are entirely entitled to your watery opinion that has no value in present time.

Smh. More bullshiit

Olu317:
Seems you feel bitter about what I have done to exposing your ignorance . Instead you result to diversionary pattern but wait up! Alaba and Alabama are not the only semblance which can be said to be cognate because Yoruba's Die and English's Die are also cognate . Glorified olodo to the brim . It is a pity your sponsor at the tertiary institution did wasted his/her financial support.

There is no iota of doubt that I am enjoying your so called sly lifestyle online because you're a weakling and a fish brain. So, when you are defenceless, you pick up irrelevancy and make it relevant,when in reality, it is valueless. Perhaps, you think, I can fall cheap for trick to showcase methodology for a work of mine in the offing? Intellectual theft at peak from the fake scholar macof

As far as I can see it, you will disappear in the same manner, others did because shame caught with them , which await you. A pseudo scholar thought, I can't read paleograph simply because I give you attention on this platform. Paradventure, you dont know, I can read classic Semitic language of, so, there is no iota of doubt in my heart about the research work in care, which will be ready in due season. My question : How do you want to promote Yoruba's heritage? Ponder over it because one who stand in for a course must have answer for one believes both traditionally and academically. Obviously, fish brain as yours lack the pedigree.

Nevertheless, your action can be predicted easily, over regurgitation of questions; provide this,provide that as you have never for once stopped doing,since you failed to realised, untrained personality ask such questions in an open forum .I am not trained in linguistic nor have knowledge on paleography, says the soothsayer macof to score a cheap point but as far as I am concern, when I am done with my research work, you will read what academic qualification I possessed before I can write book on Yoruba language which is of semitic origin through migration . And I will expect you to criticise my personality publicly at that point in history if you can.


Note: Go and read books and be closer to awo Ifaodu to learn more about Isese.

" authors on Yoruba history claimed Yoruba ancestors arrived here in Caravans."

In all of this post with all the nonsense you are talking about, as expected you cannot name the authors/books and what pages any thing like this was mentioned
Just like everything else from you, it's all a load of hot bullshiit

absoluteSuccess:
When your education told you your ancestors were Hunter gatherers, did you meet with them before you agree that it's the Holy Grail of your genetic makeup?

You went to school and got educated about this kind of thinking, taking it to mean the "history" that should be enshrined in the consciousness of the people because it's "history" to you.

I see. I don't border about putting up a "perfect history" bro, but a plausible linguistic study of the materials in the Yoruba intellectual culture that is repeated in the Middle East.

Then you can make your conclusions.

As you can see, I am not your rival. You have it figured out already, you are the historian. I'm just a man making annotations from repertoires of curious human intellectualism that Green Sahara failed to restrict from spreading till today.


You are not ready to conclude that the Yoruba is Bantu but is admixture with Bantu, being unable to establish a simple connection for the group you choose for yourself comfortably for years and always going in circles.

Yet you know how to make it impossible for others to make plausible claims in the area you reckon as taboo. that's not my reason for not responding here.

Rather, your question here is questioning your intellectual capabilities and your non Yoruba background.

A simple summary of what a con and a fraud is.
1. You have admitted that you lack the education and qualifications.. That's not something you can lie about for too long anyway but to call education useless exposes you as a con.

2. You have exposed yourself as someone who only wants to listen to people whose "conclusions" are much like your corny word plays with no basis. You are not open to discussions and contra arguments just as you always cry over being proven wrong or being questioned. Ultimately even scholars with years of experience and contribution backed by facts are nuisance to you once they don't support your dreams of yoruba being Hebrew. You are not serious
When you have gotten to the level of self aggrandizement that you think you can challenge institutions and people who have put in rigorous work on the topic of the west African past. You alone and those who Band together with you are the ordained historians and leaders of the Yoruba everyone else is wrong, how dare they question you eeee oo
That is some crazy shiit

3. You actually don't comprehend anything. you are throwing the term "green sahara" in mockery and in such a way that shows you don't even understand what that actually means. Goes to show that you do not even allow yourself to process any information that doesn't say Yoruba are Hebrews. You are so obsessed with Hebrew people who you were indoctrinated into worshipping in church
You also obviously don't know what Bantu means. And I have never said Yoruba are a Bantu admixture (you morons keep saying this I wonder where you got that from. Imagine 3/4 people misleading themselves over the same single point )

4. Please I encourage discussion on yoruba history but don't talk trash, better you stay quiet if you can't handle being questioned or shown your mistake where you make one

5. You yourself have declared your Hebrew you are no longer Yoruba. Go back to your country in Israel
I am Yoruba, West African and proud

Olu317:
How can I run out of idea because of a lazy you who practically knows nothing about what my research is all about. If you think ancient language is easy,then kindly pick up interest in it and go study it. Anyway, my intention is to focus on work, though using this platform to expose people like to the might of Yoruba ancestors from time immemorial Professor, I am not like you that posts incoherent information online for cheap popularity. Perhaps, you didn't read much on African history during your hay days at the tertiary institution because authors on Yoruba history claimed Yoruba ancestors arrived here in Caravans.

Therefore, stop misleading people by claiming Yoruba had no migrants status. Besides, these overrated knowledge of yours is the reason that you lacked being studious.

1.Do you know that oka baba is also a cognate in Classic Hebrew ? Assignment

2. Do you even know some beads found in IleIfe have some that were of 12th-14th century of India origin in Asia?

Perhaps, the Yoruba ancestors teleported themselves around 12th-14th to bring it to Yoruba land in Nigeria.Abeg, go study macof.

You are an uneducated ignorant mofo and you know it stop hyping your failed life it's so distasteful

You have no skill in linguistics or palaeography or any form of historical irrelevant discipline, I have exposed your so called cognates to be random, forced and delusional
It is your kind that would say Alaba and Alabama are cognates if you thought it would help you in your claims of Hebrew-Yoruba connection

A so called expert who doesn't make use of etymology
You see two words that look similar and boom, you call them cognates just like that
If only a semi-illiterate like yourself were so qualified what do we need studies and academic qualifications for

PS. @bold I know you have nothing but I will still ask..
Provide the names, books and pages were you got that from

Olu317:
Sometimes, I wonder if you're actually read ,with your dubious information. macof says, ‘Going by my limited knowledge , I would say Ebora is a generic term for all "unseen beings". See me see professor .
So, macof do have limited knowledge?

macof says, ‘I have heard Esu refered to as an Ebora. Yemoja as an Ebora...and when these two can be Ebora then all Orisha in certain context are Ebora'.

Ebi Ora,Abi Ora,E bo O ra; O Ra mfe, Ora, Ra :- remain self explanatory. Go to school?You refused because you claim, you are all in all. Perhaps, you need to know the complexity of Orunmiela to understand who Eshu is. Orumiela is Ora. Go study. ‘Read Myth of IFe'.

Obalufon:
esu is not ebora ebora is unseen force or being, spirit

If you have anything to say about my comments on ebora go to that thread and point them out.
Use your head and stop requiring me to tell you the proper things to do

Not when you run out of things to say you start ranting stupidly

kayfra:
That is one crazy dude

He needs to be locked up in Israel for real

He would be so happy to finally be in his ancestral land