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absoluteSuccess:
Your claims can be anything to you, but you can never get anywhere near the history of the Yoruba that you really love to suppress.

When you are cornered, you start to boast of your self importance for doing nothing



Permit me to state this here, I was on Lagos island on Saturday and walked to the entrance of the Obas palace. A poster caught my attention.

It announces the death of "Olori Ebi Eletu Iwase" Pa AbdulrasakIsola, aged 93 years. When I made a post the last time, you said it's funny.

Well, my claim is validated by this tradition.

Oriki Eletu Iwase

Omo odiyan
Omo Ogun niwase
Omo arofoba b'egun
Omo aseu mapekan
Omo apekan ma f'obinrinje
Omo afelele wole oba
Omo Erin obeji
Erinbeji o yaso
Omo oyinbo f'oju orun Sona
Eye f'oju orun sorere
Omo Oro sese niba
Omo ibini arokuntayo
Ogbono igbado ota.

I have no access to this oriki when I made the claim that the Edo have a tradition of Odion and Akere, which establish a valid case for Yoruba and Edo being twins at the onset of time.

And that if that tradition should be repeated in Yoruba, Odion will become Odiyan, that is, "one who preferred pounded yam". Then Akere will be Yoruba for "one who claimed the blessings".

You can share the oral tradition that validate your claims here.

reading meanings into things that don't exist.
You went to a funeral and read the family oriki off the funeral booklet and now you think that you've cracked the code of the century on yoruba and edo origin through one family's oriki without giving due consideration to the implications of your claim

Not only do you totally misread the oriki as telling of yoruba and edo origin rather than telling of the family origin (that is from Bini) . Now you've gotten no information that can be used to know the family better (what the oriki is intended for in the first place) because of your obsession with trying to connect with Hebrews.
Not to mention how you attempt to get Yoruba meanings out of Edo names

Where you did not find a sly Hebrew connection with Taiwo and Kehinde you want to connect Odion and Akhere to Yoruba then declare Israel as Akhere to be Yoruba and Edom as Odion to be Edo
It's interesting but just fiction not history because you have not provided any historical context by which this one family oriki can refer to Yoruba and Edo origin from the middle east

And what makes you think Odiyan in Lagos is referring to the "eldest twin" in Edo language ? It is not implied in the oriki
And to reach such conclusion you should have a logical reason

Na wa o

But this is too harsh. When it's not like they fixed matches or owe money. All this threats just because they spent over a certain limit, is it not their money
They won the title fair and square regardless

MusicSots:
Happy Sunday sir. I read is yesterday on a site that Eshu is related to planet mercury and this is contrast my initial thought that is the manifestation of the sun. Please whats your take on this site?

I would advise you to not gather your information on Yoruba traditions from "a site" as there are many random people who don't know much themselves but just keep up their act as they go

There are many Facebook groups with Babaláwo and olorisa that can answer your questions

absoluteSuccess:
I've been here for some time and know your smart games. Take time to digest my post and supply your feedback.

The reason you are weeping that I keep on talking about the Hebrew is more mill to the grill. You should have something to complain about.

Already you know I'm a leader, so why should I expect anyone to have done what I'm doing? I will rather reduce your invalid claims to shreds.

People reading know how to deduce inference.

I already gave feedback. You failed to comprehend the material you want to criticise

You're a leader? nobody has done what you are doing? What are you doing? Inventing stories in your head of Yoruba migration from the middle east?
Sorry to burst that bubble but people have been doing that since the early days of Islam in Yorùbáland. So you saying Yoruba migrated from the middle east is not new

I am always open to be proven wrong.
A favor I have done for you repeatedly by repeatedly exposing you as a fraud and a quark with no knowledge of the topic he likes to discuss

absoluteSuccess:
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reread the post, most of your questions are answered in both the post and the articles shared by geosegun and I. Seek to understand and reduce your obssesion with Hebrews, because the information shared does not imply Hebrew connection you are quick to jump on it thinking you are delivering an intelligent critic .. Without even reading properly. Like your first critic to my comment on yoruba traditions of origin being local is made clear in my post obviously you weren't reading to understand
And finally.. don't make conclusions for people
Don't assume my position on the matter has been fully expressed in one post. I don't rant or post everything I know on a topic in a single post

One way to know a con is that they are quick to dismiss research and evidence
But want to sell fantasy they create as truth
Ask a con for evidence and he would cry a river
Provide a con with evidence and he would dismiss it as nonsense without giving it a thought

This whole Hebrew claim is just con

We would expect that before you dismiss genetic research as nonsense you must have some experience in genetic research or any scientific reasons for that
But it does not surprise me as this is just how you dismiss historical and linguistic research from scholars as nonsense to make up your own from your imaginations. I still remember you calling Prof. Banji Akintoye negative names because of his position on yoruba not having middle eastern origin

The whole band of Hebrew wannabes continually exposing the lack of qualities needed to discuss Yoruba origin or any topic of historical proportions for that matter

Rossikk:
The Igbos and other black groups with Jewish ancestry are right. Their ancestors were blacks who fled from Israel after the Roman invasion and destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Following that invasion, 1 million Jews fled into Africa to escape capture, death, and slavery at the hands of the Romans. That number would have multiplied to several hundred million by today, meaning that around half the population of black Africans today comprise the descendants of fleeing Hebrews from Israel.


There is BIBLICAL SUPPORT for the ethnicity of the ancient Hebrews.


''Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD.'' Amos 9:7

“My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.” – Job 30:30

“I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.” – Song of Solomon 1:5-6

“Their visage is blacker than coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.” – Lamentations 4:8.......The word “visage” means “appearance” (Strong’s #8389)

“Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.” – Lamentations 5:10

“And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.” – Revelation 1:15

...


Thanks

funny as these Bible verses are actually implying that the Hebrews are not black
Only using the word "black" or "dark" to express suffering and affliction on the body
Obviously telling us that the writers of those passages thought darkened skin to be negative and unhealthy

Rossikk:
Great points. The Yorubas, Edos, Itsekiris, Hausas etc, all have ancient Hebrew ancestry mixed to varying degrees with that of the ancient Egyptians, Nubians and Canaanites. Hausas are descended from the land of Canaan according to my research, and the name 'Kano' is a rendition of that ancient land. Yorubas and Edos are closely linked to ancient Egypt, with often stunning cultural similarities to the land of the Pharaohs.

. Sure because Africa South of Nubia was empty and all these Egyptians, Nubians and Canaanites just travelled south to populate the uninhabited parts of Africa

You seriously want to shove those Africans who existed as contemporaries of ancient Egyptians out of existence and deny their own civilizations.. What a white anti-african racist mentality

When you think about it and not just try to attach to people you think hold some spiritual /divine importance you would realise that these Hebrews are as basic as humans can be
Nothing special, Infact for all the fuss about being chosen people there is nothing of significant contribution to human civilization

So all this claiming of Jews and Israelites is a symptom of the religious indoctrination of Christianity in it's most pro-Hebrew form on Black people

So you mean to say a couple hundred thousand Hebrews migrated to Africa and in the space of 2000 years, half of all Africans are descended from these Israelites?
So the indigenes of Africa who the Isrealites met in Africa could not reproduce as well as the foreign refugees?

And now Israelites were black, what about the nations who were related to Israel? Like the Himyarite, Edomite, Assyrian, Philistines, Babylonians, Amorite etc who are the Arabs, the Mesopotamians and other fellow Canaanites

geosegun:
The new findings below sounds quite interesting to me. My thoughts, though vaguely, is saying some revelations are about to be made. Searches are narrowing down to West Africa now - the next will be South West Nigeria. and a final revelation close to IFE which may possibly will be the bomb.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-ghost-idUSKBN2072X9

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-51508616

Now the knowledge of Ifa will now explode and made more acceptable in the world at large. There was ifa corpus that says, Dudu lagba, Funfun/pups ni aburo ( Black/Brown skin is the eldest while white/pink is the junior. The same Ifa states that expansion start from Ife. It may as well refer to Yoruba race alone or the entire world race? Only time will tell.

Yoruba traditions are quite clear that humanity started from them, however Yoruba centric and bias this might be it does say a lot about the reality of yoruba origin and what the people think of themselves. And most scholars have realised that the traditions are not to be ignored, as today traditional relics are held in highest esteem as primary sources for Yoruba historical research and you will find many students of history and African/Yoruba studies diving into some element of Isese, what was almost absent some decades ago when the educated class saw these traditions as too vulgar and sometimes referred to them as demonic due to religious indoctrination.

Recent genetic studies has kept showing that the modern Yoruba as with most West Africans are descended from populations who have long settled in West Africa and not from populations from the Southern Africa or East Africa and certainly not the Middle East but modern Middle Eastern and East African genetic analysis often show traces of dna that come from outside their region. The East African Cradle of Humanity argument is of course a good one and still valid due to more fossil discoveries and geographical factors but it is interesting to think about the implications of some of these new discoveries like the oldest Homo sapiens bones found in Morocco not anywhere in East Africa

Articles like the one you shared also raises the thought or question: how is it that Africans are the most genetically diverse yet share the most common genetic lineages if not through either 1. paleolithic Africans splitting from one population or 2. Unrelated African populations mixing
Take a look at the spread of typical Y-DNA in Africa like E-M2 haplogroup and E-V68 haplogroup they ultimately share common lineage

You might find this interesting

"In the new study, published in Nature, the researchers reported that modern humans diverged into four major populations between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago. One of those populations is new to scientists; few traces of it remain in the DNA of living Africans.

The vanished population may have consisted of bands of hunter-gatherers who lived south of the Sahara from Mali to Sudan until just a few thousand years ago".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/science/ancient-dna-africa.html

And whenever I think of Sahara a few thousand years ago, I imagine a green sahara whose desertification must have driven populations towards the Nile to the north and the Niger to the south

gregyboy:
On behalf of edos we reject this offer


God bless Nigeria
God bless edo state

There's a difference between Edo state indigene and ethnic Edo

All ethnic Edos are Edo state indigenes but not all State indigenes are ethnic Edo

There are several ethnic Yoruba settlements in Edo state

lawani:
Olodumare rules in ogotun with 200 I males on the right and 200 on the left. Olodumare himself is an I male, he is one of them.

I am familiar with this school of thought and I gravitate towards it too. I cannot however make argument based on it

Rossinky:
WE WERE COMMANDERS OF THE ''MIDDLE EAST'', you conditioned man.

Egypt, a black African civilization, was the most dominant power in that region for THOUSANDS of years. There was no such place as the ''MIDDLE EAST'' in antiquity. That region was really just an outpost of African dominance that came to be later peopled by wandering Asiatic tribes. The ''MIDDLE EAST'' is a British-coined term which arose with colonialism in 1850.

Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt, circa 3000 BC, showing clear black African populace and monarchy.
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THE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE

Note: All of Africa South of the Sahara was known to the ancient Greeks as ''Ethiopia''.


Famous Greek historian, Diodorus of Sicily

From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract.


"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws."

Diodorus's declared intention was to trace the origins of the cult of Osiris, alias the Greek Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus. The Homeric Hymn "To Dionysus" locates the birth of Dionysus in a mysterious city of Nysa "near the streams of Aegyptus" ...and much of Book 3 of the Bibliotheka Historica is devoted to the intertwined histories of Dionysus and the god-favored Ethiopians whom he believed to be the originators of Egyptian civilization.  [emphasis added]

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).


"Now they relate that of all people the Ethiopians were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".


Diodorus continues regarding the ancient black Africans south of the Sahara:


"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"


"The Aithiopians say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement. The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."



"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))




Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.

Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.



"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)



Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)



The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) is as explicit as that of the previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:



Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."



Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)


Herodotus (circa 400 bc) (Known to western historians as the Father of History)


Herodotus also asserted that "the names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt . . . for the names of all the gods have been known in Egypt from the beginning of time . . . It was the Egyptians too who originated, and taught the Greeks . . . ceremonial meeting, processions and liturgies . . . The Egyptians were also the first to assign each month and each day to a particular deity, and to foretell the date of a man's birth, his character, his fortunes, and the day of his death . . . The Egyptians, too have made more use of omens and prognostics than any other nation. . ." [This holds true till today. Africans, especially NIGERIANS, majority of whom descend from ancient Egyptians, ''have made more use of omens and prognostics (or juju for short ) than any other nation.'']

(Herodotus, The Histories, 149-150; 152; 159).


''There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.

The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised.'' (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)


The opinion of the ancient writers on the Egyptians is more or less summed up by French Egyptologist Gaston Maspero The Dawn of Civilization (1894), when he says, "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they [the Egyptians] belong to an African race which first settled in Ethiopia on the Middle Nile: following the course of the river they gradually reached the sea."

The German scholar, Eugen Georg, in his book The Adventure of Mankind (1931) p. 121, tells us about the ". . . world-wide dominance of Ethiopian representatives of the black race. They were supreme in Africa and Asia. In upper Egypt and India they erected mighty religious centers and mastered a perfect technique in the molding of bronze --- and they even infiltrated through Southern Europe for a thousand years."

In his book Egypt, British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South." He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." (Some historians believe that the biblical land of Punt was in the area known on modern maps as Somalia.)


Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.


Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.

He thinks that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says: "From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the  civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found. The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished."


The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."

Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869


Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of The Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."


"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)


http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

You are indeed foolish. The aim of this thread and subject of discussion is on the possibility of Yoruba having Hebrew heritage not Egyptian hegemony over the middle East. What has Egyptians conquering several semitic settlements got to do with my comment you quoted?

The discussion of this thread is also not about the exploits of the Ethiopians

You have written all this long epistle absent the required intellect to stick with the topic... This is something common with every single Hebrew wannabe (I'm not even sure if you are exactly one but you nonetheless support the movement), you all rant off topic, you just use any opportunity to post everything you might know in one post, whether it has anything to do with the comment you want to reply or not

There is no time at which I have stood opposition to saying Egypt conquered many lands and spread their knowledge to non Africans, nor have I ever challenged the notion of Ethiopian influence in world history.
So this long epistle of yours is misdirected, but more importantly irrelevant to the topic

I would rather you post something about Yoruba being Hebrews since that is what you came to this thread to support. Don't derail Mr. Man
Btw you appear to have Pan-African tendencies much like myself which these folks you support do not. Next time you prepare yourself if you know you aren't that intelligent and not embarrass yourself like this

Rossinky:
Thanks for the knowledge you're sharing bro. I wouldn't bother too much with maceof. He's been like this for a long time, and I've had my own battles with him. It's like reasoning with a brick wall. He doesn't want to hear anything about Africa beyond the 'mud hut illiterate villagers who did nothing' narrative. He doesn't study or research anything with regard to African history, least of all from African historians or sources. He isn't really worth your time. Just give us the info abeg.

Another fool.

This is what you think of Africa? A continent of nothing better than mud hut illiterate villagers?
So you would rather look to the middle East for a history that is not your own because you don't know the Greatness within Africa?

You have failed to provide any evidence or results of any worthwhile research, I have continued to stand by sanity and made arguments based on evidence available. You are indeed foolish to say I don't study. I would like to know where your studies has taken you

You insult Africa with your foolish inferiority complex. Africans don't need to be middle eastern to feel good about themselves. You seek fantasy from me, but fantasy you can't get, I would rather give you history

Olu317:
I am a sore loser ? Lol! I am sure you fail to realize that, there are many things you dont know which make you human and imperfect. So I am not angry at all but to show that you do love Yoruba culture but not conversant with certain reality that's beyond your comprehension. I will address the meaning in the right platform.

Mr man move along
There's no reasoning with a lunatic, so I won't even try. Keep going through my posts since 2013
If you were normal you would have gone to the university to gain the right knowledge and experience on how to conduct historical research.
Not embarrassing yourself saying Ebora is Hebrew and all that nonsense. Your other lunatic friend said Ebora is Abraham

FOLYKAZE:
The christian faith is centred on gospel of Jesus and Jewish history as narrated in the bible. The account of Jesus's life and all his theological teachings stem directly from the Genesis creation narrative, Noah flood, Israelite exodus, and Babylonia exile down to the birth of the so called messiah. But since it is found that many of the accounts have no basis in history, how come Christians still hold onto their faith? In the face of reality, vividly exposing that the accounts and narratives from Genesis till the end is fiction, and the characters captured in the entire bible are legends, on what exactly are Christians rooting their faith? Are Christians really trusting on folktales to bring them heaven/paradise they hope for?

The bible accounts, as interesting as it sound have no single basis in history. The creation story, many churches have accepted that it is metaphoric or philosophical which shouldn't be taken as happening at a historic time or place. The catholic and many Christian denominations admitted that the story of Adam and Eve is more allegorical, specially designed for theological purposes, without any basis in history. The Noah and the global flooding account too have no basis in history. Up till this moment, not a single shred of evidence have been found to buttress there was any global flooding on this planet. The global flooding and ark narration have so many parallels which further exposes the mythical nature of the account, having no basis in history. Up till date, no single shred of evidence have been presented that Noah or his Ark existed.

One of the story I loved back then as a child is the Exodus. The account detail Israelis enslavement in Egypt, emancipation by Moses, sojourn through the wilderness and the military campaign that rounded up Canaan. Findings have shown that the whole Exodus is pure work of fiction, not having any fact. There is no Moses, Israelite were never in or enslaved in Egypt, Pharaoh and his people were not plagued by any Yahweh, the Red sea was not parted, the wildernesses sojourn have no basis in history, and Canaan was not overran by Israel military forces. Archaeological evidence revealed that all the accounts about Israel in the bible is myth.

The monarchy reign of David and Solomon in the United kingdom of Israel is all false. Archaeological findings expose that Israel is a small clan in Canaan, having no king. There is no evidence or traces of the Solomon temple. The captivity by Babylon is more reconstructions of facts though. However, the bible rather provides half truth laced with propaganda which makes the whole account unacceptable as historical fact.

The Jesus account is majorly work of fiction. While many would argue that there is a historical personality known as Jesus as recorded by Apostle Paul, Gospels, and non Christian sources like Josephus and Tacitus, the fact remains that these are not eye witness account which can easily be dismissed. The earliest manuscript that recorded the person of Jesus is written somewhere around 60yrs after Jesus crucifixion. The gospel of Matthew, Luke and John all copied from accounts in the book of Mark. The authorship of the gospel of Mark is a subject if debate. However, the general consensus among the scholars is that whoever wrote the gospel of Mark is not providing an eye witness account but simply relaying heavily distorted traditions.

The Zombies invasion and the wingless ascension of Jesus is a popular incidence which would supposedly be witnessed by many people, but no one expect in the gospels wrote about it. Josephus and Tacitus mentioned that a person called Jesus or Christ but left out the major events recorded in the gospel. Josephus original writings has not been found, and scholars argued that the word 'Jesus' found in the Testimonium Flavianum is Christian interpolation. Tacitus was born 25yrs after the death of Jesus. None of this writings provided an eye witness account. They are majorly tradition with no factual basis.

The gospels have loads of inconsistency and contradictions. Apostle Paul admitted he learned the creed. As a matter of fact, Paul's sister and nephew were converted Christians before he converted. He also confessed he met with James and Peter for days, many years after his conversion. So it is nothing new, Paul converted base on tradition he was told to.

At a point, Paul questioned the basis of his faith, exactly what I wanted Christians to do. Apostle Paul, who didn't met Jesus or witnessed his death queried if Jesus truly died and resurrected. He questioned the historicity of Jesus crucifixion, noting with doubt that his faith and missionary job is in vain if peradventure there is no Jesus that died and resurrected. The inquiry furthermore buttressed that Paul only knew the traditional story of Jesus, and not the historical fact. Reason he added that one should find and stick to truth only.

My questions to my brothers who are Christians, how do you keep onto faith knowing that all the narration recorded in the bible have no basis in history? Where exactly is the confidence of hope drawn from knowing that the Bible stories are fables having no substances in history? How can you strongly trust that a Jesus who never exist as accounted would take you to heaven/paradise? What is the basis of your faith; historical fairies or historical facts?

Cc shadeyinka, EMILO2STAY, Maximus69, MuttleyLaff

Folykaze the man. You are back again

Olu317:
Oh my lord ,I can't believe these . So, you don't even knew the true meaning of these three names and you claim to be expert in Yoruba language history? But, you suddenly addressed the etymologies with amateur approach. ‘ Ebora is Generic term indeed' .

You are a damned lunatic so I don't expect you to display any sense.
There's nothing wrong with that comment you just want to throw jab.. Going through my posts looking for ways to attack because you are a sore loser still angry that I challenge your madness of calling yorubas Hebrews

Olu317:
You are correct but the coverup of not separating the weed from the fruit is one of the major reason we have people amongst Yoruba that betray easily. Having opined this, I have never seen any one who claims to be Yoruba as non Yoruba but there is a limit to which, one use vulgar words, that such person will be seen by I as not being a Yoruba person.

In Yoruba adage, there is a word that's called ‘IWA' which when prefixed with Omo,it becomes a popularly known identity known as Omo Elu Iwa Bi( a child born of exceptional character without fault i.e born of God). So,when I stylishly use slight words to draw the uncultured man who at every instance damn people with negative statement then it is worth it to call him as non Yoruba,which was the reason, I asked him to Post is Oriki(panegyric) because he has being the one who is more Yoruba than everyone on this platform.

Note: If in doubt, kindly investigate his posts and see how many times he has used vulgar words on different monikers without tangible reasons, but simply because people's opinion differs from his or his school of thought.

@bold another comedy of the month

Coming from the person who wants to sell Yoruba identity to Hebrews by all means
Coming from one who suffers from such a huge inferiority complex that he must see himself as hebrew in order to feel self worth
Coming from one who aims to turn Yoruba history upside down and has no regard for Yoruba traditions and culture

What you call vulgar words I assume are words that agitate you .. But of course, any form of questioning would agitate you plus I give you advice that you don't want to be told
I will give you ọ̀rọ̀ as it as it is no mincing words to massage your ego. I don't need that
You are looking for who will not challenge you but compliment you. All this are schemes that you would not need to resort to had you educated yourself before deciding to dive into history.

Running around, anything to avoid the needful

Just wait, let's get the first things sorted out, your likes would be exposed and disgraced, all your cleric sponsors won't save you

GreyLaw:
You sound sympathetic to their plight, but I can smell your hypocrisy from a distance away.

People burn their salary on girls, clubs, gambling, etc... How many times did you speak about that? Someone decided to give his to a church voluntarily how is that your business? If he goes hungry and God doesn't provide for him then next time he would learn and teach others also. Why bear his cross on your head?

Some of you don't understand the kind of spirit you have and what is pushing you to write the nonsense you write on social media. You cannot even fight your politicians raping your country blind and all your venom is poured out against the church. The man did what he felt is written in his Bible, and you are here wasting your time.

People blow up themselves and die for their religion, others give their money to the poor and needy and to their church. What is your business again with that? He didn't blow himself up. He gave his money. What again is your pain here?

Pain pastor sighted

GoTV:
As a born again Christian who is meant to speak the truth at all times, i think the only solution to these clashes is for all states to accept the proposed Ruga settlements for herdsmen and watch peace reign. Instead of setting up regional security outfit like Amotekun and forest guards, why can't we Christians states especially be tolerant and live in peace with our neighbors? Infact, we Christians disown Amotekun and Enugu forest guards. We are all Nigerians and we have equal rights in every part of the country.


Instead of blaming every tragedy on our Muslim brothers, why can't we Christians dialogue for peace sake? Recently a Christian suicide bomber was caught in the church and we quickly rejected him to be a Christian but if he were to be a Muslim we would call all Muslims terrorists just because of the actions of one man. We Christians have a lot of lessons to learn from our Muslim brothers. Honestly

fake

Obalufon:
Your head is so block you can't understand what i'm trying to come up with ,I didn't mention bornu state Mr Macof vascular dementia, i said bornu and chad region .. Bornu is not middle east , i said that to let you know they've been migration of people from middle east and Mediterranean to the region for centuries also during the golden age of Egypt if you don't know , also a well known trade route in ancient time .. to know more about yoruba study the bariba, nupe, igala bornu , kokobiri, hausa soninke, leave oout the bantu of south south or ibos

Yeah right.

Obalufon:
.Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu?... Middle east is as close to us as bornu state .. Did you know that Ancient kingdom of yam is located in bornu ..you can do more research on bornu and sudan because you will find the missing puzzle there to confirm the middle east migration

You better go and seek healing for your inabilities.... From a medical professional I mean not some pastor

nlPoster:
The problem I'm having here is this careful distinction between who is Yoruba and who is not "properly " Yoruba.

Too subjective, explain better.

For those you say are Yoruba but not authentic, what are the parameters used for this conclusion?

Parameters are :
You ask me for evidence and I feel offended so you can't be Yoruba. If you were Yoruba you would just believe that Yoruba are Hebrews like I say no question

Spazolas:
Hausas are from Bhagdad, read up your history. Yorubas are not from Mecca, we migrated from Canaan.

What history told you hausa are from Bagdad and Yoruba are from Canaan?

Obalufon:
you know nothing Mr man Africa is diverse continent .. you need to have DNA test on people from borno and chad region you will be surprised of the ancestry lineage that will come out ... your problem is your brain has been programmed to believe in savage naked Africans living in jungles .. we have the aborigine African those are the one that never had a clothing culture or organised society and religion , ...Yoruba religion never reflect our present location ..knowledge of sea and some elements that are not found in this region , Religion is created from understand of environment and its unseen forces to control the material world .

just look at this.
Accuse someone of exactly what you are guilty of and even go ahead to express in the next sentence

You say I think of Africans as jungle people..which I don't. only for you to say in the next sentence that Africans never had clothes or any form of complex or organised culture.
And in all this, the post you quoted was not actually addressed rather you move to another issue. But of course when you say nonsense and I sight it you wouldn't want to dwell on it. #Middle East is as far as Bornu state#
Sad reality for this one and his vascular dementia

You are even worse than the others

Olu317:
Don't mind the Bantu macof. It is obvious, he is not a Yoruba man with known ancestry but looking for cheap popularity. Even at it, a Yoruba descendant who is maternally linked bloodline are welcome to Yoruba fold any day anytime although the one who intend selling our identity with Bantus need be dealt with intellectually and corrected. In all the gloey of the Bantu language, it is even not closely related to Yoruba language ,talkless of Semitic languge of Ancient Hebrew. As far as I am concerned, he is not worth the stress.

mumus
He say I am Yoruba maternally linked
Ó ṣe I didn't know you have super powers to know my maternal ancestry is Yorùbá while my paternal is Edo
Joke of the month and the month only just started

Fools, a thousand times they will be told that nobody is calling Yoruba bantus, a thousand times it flies over their heads.
The fact that you actually keep saying I say Yoruba are bantu, when I never said such and have repeatedly corrected you on that is testament to your intellectual deficiency

Obalufon:
.Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu?... Middle east is as close to us as bornu state .. Did you know that Ancient kingdom of yam is located in bornu ..you can do more research on bornu and sudan because you will find the missing puzzle there to confirm the middle east migration

real sad the type of thing this one is suffering from
Middle East is as far as Bornu state

Olu317:
No wonder, he flips from one angle to another without having anything fundamentally relevant to address on the issue that,he always counter well established fact at researchers have within their fold that there were large group of people who were immigrants.


As far as I am, he is a an assimilated Yoruba man. He is probably an Igodomigodo lineage,whose ancestors came to learn Yoruba through service as a votary . This is what he uses as a defense line as if he is even an initiate. And it is obvious he is a liar because, he has never even mentioned anything on ifaodu corpus. I guess it is high time one needs neglect this guy because he is the real fraud!

funny enough you Hebrew wannabes are actually the ones exposing yourselves as people without a Yoruba background

And did I just read I flip from one angle to another Mofo, that's exactly what you do. You are really incapable of addressing a single point at a time
You just go off the rails

Olu317:
Burns, Sussan Blier, Conton, Akinjogbin, Akinkiitan, Sabiru Biobaku, Lucas, Aderibigbe, Folorunsho, Al Ilori, Beier etc are authors that agreed, there were some people who subdued the local to form a bond through their expanded civilization.

Interestingly, it is obvious you're not well read a d being online has exposed your weakness,with the pride of claims that you introduced me to Sussan Blier ? I just can't imagine this your inconstancies. Obviously, you forget things easily but let me remind you of your shock om Yoruba language, when you intended to disprove the fact that Odudua and group came with tbeir culture and language. As ignorant as you're, some of the above mentioned authors, writers specified this same information.


Apparently, when one is without defense, he/she look at irrelevant statement to hide behind. But , you have no where to run to until, I see scholarly references as you supposedly claimed Susan Blier, and others, will do cross exmaination on the identities of these Yoruba emigrants, which she did! Please, can you teach how written book is arranged according to it contents on ethnography, because you are remotely more professional than some of us ? olodo at his highest order, forming ego!

Lastly, so if one say Distant Yoruba branch family meant the people Yoruba subdued were Yoruba historically ? It is certain you didn't understand clearly, what has been stated earlier by some authored books, which I had referenced about wave of migration to the present Yoruba land by different people but submerged with the most powerful group that came with even multiple twin birth,which was never in existence in the part that is named IleIfe by these immigrants Lol. . Perhaps, Osun ,Ado, Ekiti, Igodomigodo, Nupe,Hausa land,Fulani, Oromo, Wollof, Amon, etc, was where Odua came from? If that is your claim, kindly furnish us with only lexical similarities to buttress your point to make the oral account encoded in Ifaodu more juicy. I know f ask you to do justice to Pictographs interpretation, you will run away from this platform, so let mebe lenient with you.

You are all over the place again. I asked a simple question, give the full details of the references

And while you are at it, this is the page from which you quoted Suzanne Blier... This article does not in anyway buttress your point so it baffles me how you keep mentioning Suzanne Blier... A scholar I introduced to you, and I remember you said some trash about her work then

Olu317:
How's it irrelevant ? Caught in the act!
Lol! I thought you will post something of significance to null the references but you did as usual,with your predictable disappointment because you basically have no understanding of how I came up with evidences to damn your little knowledge.Without any iota of doubt, you are lost intellectually on this platform because nothing tangible to add can be pointed at your direction.


Contrary to your pseudo information, I have explained it times without number that written books by renowned scholars accept that Yoruba are emigrants, which is the reason, I posit once more that no language in the world is without an origin. ‘The origin may be from where it is being spoken or near it ' . The language spoken may change from the origin but still, there must be traces or elements of this origin in it that will show emergence of this language from this source. This is what happened in the Arabic diffusion of Arabic, Egyptian Coptic language and Classic Hebrew etc, to Yoruba Language either by borrowing or historical connections historical connection, Burns (1972: p. 120) explains that before the first settlers of Yoruba stock at Ile-Ife led by Oduduwa, there was a black tribe called Negro, which was small in number but these emigrants (The Yoruba) later dominated this tribe with their ‘language and culture'.

Furthermore, Folorunso Says, (2009: p. 16) that it is of the opinion that the origin of the Yoruba people remains uncertain, that no definite knowledge has emerged. He explains that the general trend of theories on it are based on Yoruba oral traditions that of a possible origin in the East especially from the Arab according to history on one side. The other side is that they came from Egypt because of similarities of culture, religious observances, works of arts and burial between the Yoruba race and ancient Egypt. This assertion made some scholars concluded that they migrated from the Upper Nile of Egypt.


Therefore, I understand you if you're trying to save face by accusing me of deviation, when infact, you're the one who deviated,when you claimed that Yoruba couldn't have come as migrants into this land called ‘Niger Area' but shockingly to your dismay, I have posted 19th century, early 20th century and 21st century writers( Yorubas and non Yorubas) , who agreed that some large foreigners/ migrants, invaded and suppressed some minutes people ,in which the aborigines identity were made to conform, with the new powerful group's identity . Meanwhile, I have loads of information at my disposals which I posted minute out of it to silenced your baseless criticism. The point is migration of people and intermingling is time immemorial.

Note:
Go get books to educate yourself.

Burns 1972 and Folorunso 2009 are supposed to mean what?
You have started reading a few articles and have made notice of the way references are made in the argumentative section of papers but you most likely don't consider the fact that references are further stated in full details in the bibliography where they can be examined

Good that you have actually started making references and you now read unlike months ago.
But I need to confirm that the two references you just made exist and know exactly what they talk about. so provide the full details
Because just as you did for Suzanne Blier's article and many others, you make references without actually understanding what the articles are saying

Olu317:
I knew it as usual, you will never learn because you're intellectually shallow minded, which has made me to silence you on this platform with my view and written books to back my information.Unfortunately, you hardly give any references to support you kangaroo approach. Little do your type know, some of us are actually specialist in what we profess on this platform. So, let me teach you more since you are a stiffneck individual. As it is a fundamental part in Human history that it, is filled with adventurism , migration for greener pastures, exploration and conquest which has been ageless as a result of human development. So go read:

a.The Idea of Human Prehistory: the Natural Sciences, the Human Sciences, and the Problem of Human Origins in Victorian Britain Matthew R. Goodrum

b. Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc

c. NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S CONQUEST OF EGYPT, CONFIRMED FROM A CONTEMPORARY HIEROGLYPHIC INSCRIPTION.

Secondly, Cognate either true or false in any language in the world does not change its tradition from its birth to its death. Greek language, with its many dialects, through time and space, since the Mycenean idiom, will always remain Greek, and never some other language like Phoenician or Latin. Likewise, Yoruba has been always been Yoruba since the remote past. If Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian pharaonic language,Semitic languages show close sound correspondences in them, then , it means that the these languages are genetically related. Indeed, Phonetic laws and sound correspondences have exceptions, but their help is very crucial in eliminating false etymologies and dubitable reconstructions. For example Greek theos, “god”, and Latin deus, “god”, seem to be very similar, therefore related, and developed from a common predialectal stock( Theophile Obeng).

Thirdly,go pick up written biography of these two Yoruba men :
a. Rabbi Arnold Josiah Ford: A ‘Moses to His People By Rabbi Sholomo B. Levy

b. Biography of Rabbi W.A. Matthew By Rabbi Sholomo Ben Levy, to understand one out of a thousand reasons that made me understudy classic Hebrew, which I find interesting as well as revealing.


Fourthly, admixture in humanity has always been immemorial so, it is not new even as it is seen in centuries before now and today's world. Kindly go educate yourself with:

a. ‘Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean'

b. ‘Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant

c. Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

d. Comparative Analysis of Genetic Ancestry and Admixture in the Colombian Populations of Chocó and Medellín .

Perhaps ,from the above information, more value will be added to the little knowledge have, so that people who surf this platform will see your weakness as a lazy scholar !

Stick to the issue raised by the post you are quoting and stop ranting and going off like a loose cannon.

Most of what you are saying here is irrelevant to the topic ie. Human origins? We are talking Yoruba origin, not Homo erectus... Then another interesting one : admixture in Colombia.. Ehn "transatlantic slavery" from the 15th to 19th century is your clue to Yoruba origin? And since when did Colombia become Israel
Don't mix up chronology and geography and confuse yourself

And some I have already addressed in the past like you bringing words from your Hebrew book and trying to pass them off as cognates of yoruba words with similar spellings... I trashed that


Seems like you just mentioning books and authors again without actually knowing or understanding what on earth the book is talking about

Obalufon:
you are senseless...your brain is full of junks ..

coming from a uneducated ignoranmus that keeps posting senseless and irrelevant shiit
Like seriously, I have never come across a more uninformed and gullible individual l, you are even worse than the others

It is not enough to use words thinking you are insulting.. You don't know how to insult yet, man up to the occasion and educate yourself on topics before you dive into them then your insults might actually be taken seriously

i am trying to broaden your mind bantu man to know that human migrate alot, life then wasn't as stable as we have it now .. No Logical basis? your brain lack logical capacity to comprehend the evidence given to you ...So you haven't heard of Aryan race with all your history and etymology knowledge .

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Again with the bantu thing
100 times you would be told, 100 times it won't sink in
You probably suffer from Vascular Dementia which if true is really sad that you are not seeing a doctor or being watched by loved ones

It's no wonder my two points were just skipped over. it's a reoccurring theme with you lot
Jump over points and make more statements that I raise more points out of and jump over those ones too
If only you had the brain capacity to comprehend my posts this very comment you just made would never have been made

kayfra:
Alaba - Yoruba
Alabama - America

Yorubas are the original native Americans

Man if we go by this crazy people's logic, Yoruba might as well be native American, Hebrew, Chinese, Persian, German, Viking.. You name it
All at once

Anything but African