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Obalufon:
Ibos are the true Israelite they came to Nigeria butt naked

these guys are confused

I thought Yoruba were the Isrealites?

Pagan9ja my old pal.

I was scared for a minute there

Obalufon:
ibos believe abia is in the bible ibos are the real Hebrew Israelite ,,

lmao
That Abia governor is using the same logic as most of you. See one word in the bible that is spelled similar to a word from your language and boom! We are from Israel or its us the Bible is talking about
Apparently it's a religion problem

African Christians and Muslims want to be in the bible and quran by all means
Common sense off

MetaPhysical:
Beyond words, all aspects of living in Yoruba has symmetry with styles and features of life in Afro-Asia.

You dont have to prove anything on the forum. You deposit your theories and hope people with interest will give it a befitting analysis, for and against.

By exploring, you are exhibiting innate capacities of the mind to formulate and concretize what had not before thought possible outside of abstract imagination...and you therefore develop potential to be a teacher and awakener of mankind.

Be confident in yourself, you stand in their way...you control the conversation and the theme. You spike their blood with your novel hypothesis and wide ranging ideas...let them hold you still if they can. They cannot.

When you make a claim it is only expected that you should be able to defend it
And precisely what you are saying here... Others with interest analysing your claim is exactly what you don't want when you can't defend your claim

Self confidence and self delusion should never be mistaken for each other. If you remain adamant on a claim that has been debunked before it even lands for inconsistencies and discrepancies you are deluding yourself and cannot move forward in the subject in question
That is exactly your condition

AreaFada2:
Well, I have Ghanian inlaws who have acknowledged it. Ga inlaws and friends in diaspora. As far back as 30 years ago. I was quite surprised how confidently they asserted it.
I heard Yoruba, even Ooni Ojaja has been claiming them lately.

What you do not know is that over the last few years, there has been visits to their leaders in ACCRA area tow and fro reaffirming these ties.
Benin are not noise making agbero style people. I have pics of these visits. But I won't upload here. A halfway smart person will fine some of those online. But not all.

Benin has no real slave diaspora. Only very few Benin if kidnapped traveling by slave robbers got into slavery. So you do not see Benin going to Americas looking for long lost kin. We have none. We never cosy up to those without historically links to us.

Macof in your infantile and gargantuan overestimation of yourself, you are King Solomon of our time. Everyone not dancing to your confused tune is deluded. You will be alright las las

In laws, friends, acquaintance we all have, you are not the only one who would know some Ga people, that is if you weren't even lying about that. So this is no answer to the question

Mr. Man all this personal attacks is nonsense. Address the post and leave long talk
I didn't attack you

Here are the two points of my previous post again in case you missed it
1. What's the correlation between Benin and Accra
2. That certain families in Yorùbáland and elsewhere have Benin origin doesn't make them Benin till date.

AreaFada2:
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You are very correct.

Imagine if the Olu of Warri & Oba of Lagos did not recognise their Benin origin? Many Benin detractors would have been very happy. But rulers of two of the richest oil & corporate/business cities in Nigeria do. It's what made Oba Akiolu so unpopular among other SW Obas & people. Oba Oyekan of blessed memory also clearly recognised his Benin ancestry.

Benin origin people in Lagos, Delta, Rivers, Ondo, Bayelsa, Accra/Ghana and other places if added to those in Edo, Benin can never be called a minority tribe. This awareness has grown recently and Benin Youth are rediscovering this. In a way these people arguing without any knowledge have jolted us to see that we cannot be quiet while envious people seek to distort a great history recorded over centuries and narrated for several millenniums.

In Benin history lives and breath. Even in your morning greetings daily.

You are seriously being deluded here though

That some Benin individuals settled in Warri and Lagos doesn't make these descendants Benin
For example, The Benin descendants in Lagos acknowledge their Benin ancestry because they are not Bastards and they know their history but they are Yoruba today
Don't delude yourself by counting them among the Bini ethnicity


Also I keep hearing Bini guys saying people of Accra migrated from Benin Where do you guys get that from?
What's the correlation between Bini and Ga people?

@lawani

Here's another excerpt from the blog

On the possible eastern origin of the Yorubas, Tariqh Sawandi says: “The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger. Archaeologists, according to M. Omolewa, inform us that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region.

Come on..
I don't know how much or how little you know about history and if you understand timeliness and chronology but come on
65,000 BC the Nok culture occupied Nigeria? Wtf!

And so many times people think too far and too much of this "East"
First of all, Yoruba traditions do not talk of an Eastern origin. It rather speaks of oduduwa coming from the east to settle in Ilé-Ifẹ̀
There's a difference there

Secondly, oduduwa coming from the east is in reference to Òkè-Ọ̀rà (east of Ilé-Ifẹ̀) before we start looking at China and Japan

lawani:
Didn't you read the paper I pointed you to? It is on the strength of that paper that I assumed like the authors that such a migration from Egypt took place.

I just did and there's nothing written in the blog that I've not heard/read before
However, the article is just expressing the writers fascination and opinions and not actually stating facts
And the article is in many points incoherent and goes off point and jumps to another point.

Is the article talking about Yoruba, Itsekiri as separate from but related to Yoruba, or Nigerian ethnicities in general?

But this statement is probably the main point that is relevant to what you are saying

Many traditions point to a fact that an alien group (Egyptians) immigrated to Yoruba land and mixed with the original population. Many oral traditions are replete with these stories. The Awujale of Ijebu land has shown that the Ijebus are descended from ancient Nubia (a colony of Egypt). He was able to use the evidence of language, body, scarification, coronation rituals that are similar to Nubians’ etc, to show that the Ijebus are descendants of the Nubians

Since the Nubians were descended or colonized by the Egyptians, the Ijebu, and by extension, all Yoruba customs, derived from the Egyptian. Many traditional Yorubas have always claimed Egypt as their place of original abode.

Now let's examine this
1. Many traditions? Traditions from where? How do the traditions point to Egypt migration?
2. Awujale 's statement was that Ijebu originate from Waddai not Nubia. The people of waddai sultanate were not Nubians
3. Well, Egypt was also a colony of nubia (Kingdom of Kush to be precise). So being a one time colony doesn't mean that you refer to this fact everytime
It appears to me like the writer just found an opportunity to squeeze Egypt in
4. Awujale was not able to give any damn evidence. The whole "Ijebu are from waddai" narrative holds no water, not in anyway
5. Nubians descended from Egypt? Lmao
Quite the opposite as most pre-dynastic Egyptians migrated from further south and the oldest Egyptian province Ta-seti was actually a nubian cultural and linguist area
6. Even if we say oh ok ijebu came from Egypt, how does that by extension mean all Yoruba subgroups came from Egypt
7. Traditional yorubas have always claimed Egypt as place of origin. Lmao what is the Yoruba name for Egypt again?

You see how ignorance breeds more ignorance and just leads before far astray

lawani:
The man oduduwa was apparently very intelligent. He dropped that name as a signature. If he had not dropped that name you would have won the debate easily.

and how can you know he dropped the name when the story you got the idea from has discrepancies that even you notice instantly

I've asked you for prove of the Yoruba traditions giving authenticity to "Lamurudu". So far we can conclude that there's none

lawani:
but you ought to know too even if you weren't told that Nimrod can't be oduduwa's direct father.

That's what the story you are referencing says.

What I know is that oduduwa has no connection to nimrod, whether father or great grandfather or whatever is not the issue

lawani:
Of course the DNA of a single man does not make much difference and he did not come from Egypt but probably somewhere in the Middle East. However, millions of Egyptians relocated to Yoruba land a few thousand years ago enough to change our vocabulary. However, Yoruba are west Africans.

Where are the records of such migration of millions of Egyptians?

lawani:
The name is inside Yoruba oral history as oduduwa's father. Not an orisa because the man intentionally dropped the name as a signature. I have not heard the version of the story saying lamurudu was king of mecca and if it exists I don't believe it. We were taught the story in school and there was no mention of King of mecca in the story.

I keep asking you to provide the traditional source of such history since you want to believe its part of yoruba oral history


The story goes that oduduwa was a Prince of mecca
And his father was Nimrod (Lamurudu)

I think 1 + 1 should be expected to be 2 even if we weren't told

lawani:
The man called himself a son of nimrod the same way a modern Yoruba will call himself a son of oduduwa. He was not a direct son but a descendant of nimrod. Lamurudu is not a recent addition, it is part of the oral history.

Smh. In what context is Lamurudu part of yoruba oral history?
What's his oriki? Where's his altar? Or what sort of evidence do you have that Lamurudu is part of yoruba traditions

He was not a direct son but descendant, yet the story you got Lamurudu from clearly puts oduduwa as a son of Lamurudu, king of mecca
What a load of bull

Hmm. Interesting and could be very well not far from the truth

But the northern minorities and Christians are political foolish. Instead of banding together you prefer to remain small

AreaFada2:
Then there are many ignorant Yoruba people who grew up in Yorubaland. I have seen many who grew up in Ibadan, Lagos and so on and refer to everybody after Ore as Igbo.

Even many Igbo believe Benin & Yoruba are virtually same. You cannot imagine the level of ignorance among the larger ethnic groups. The Yoruba do not surprise me. Most only travel within SW until Abuja became popular. Many Yoruba probably know more about Peckham & Hackney than Nigeria. Aside military, NYSC, NNPC and banking jobs that take some Yoruba outside SW, most do not go out. Those professional cadre would have mixed with many ethnic group through higher education & work anyway. But still VERY many Yoruba display outstanding ignorance.

Even Igbo that usually cross Edo State to enter SW, many still err in that regard.

2.
In any case, having several tribes within Benin Empire was the normal thing. We didn't see it as unusual. Even today Edo State TV reads news in Igbo, Yoruba, Urhobo, Izon, etc.

But of late this accommodating attitude stemming from imperial times now seems a weakness. That will have to change. It seems everyone is now going towards tribal supremacy, nationalism, etc.

Well I think such ignorance is innocent and understandable. Edo and Yoruba do share immense similarities

2.
you have no option but to accommodate the diversity in Edo state because otherwise a problem will arise. Its not their fault that they are in Edo state
Maybe treat the minorities in Edo state respectfully and Nigeria can treat the minorities more as they wish.
So don't act as if you are doing them a favour

akanbiaa:
Is that the hair of the 5 year old child? My problem with you is that you have feel it's okay to go against constituted rules you are not comfortable with and only adopt those you are comfortable with. So in essence you prefer the life of lawlessness and greed /selfishness. Instead of you to make effort to ensure laws not favorable to you are changed you prefer to disobey them.

we both know that the problem here is letting the hair grow out. So yes that picture is valid. You still didn't answer my question
Does that look like a mad man?

My point is the hatred for letting the natural African hair grow is bad. And nobody should be castigated for just having a lengthy hair
So yes any school with such a ridiculous law needs to do away with the law

2prexios:
It's not scientific if not repeated twice. Every culture sharing this traditional should be family all across the world, not just lower guinea:

Because Sargon and Moses shared the same tradition of birth, then the two historical figures should be the same.

Because Bible and epic of Gilgamesh talked about flood, then Noa and utnapishtim should be tthe same and both Summer and Semitic culture should merge.

Because the Hebrew claimed to be descended from Jacob and Esau, their story should be combined with Romans who descended from Romulus and Romus because they were twins too.

You can see how I mentioned names and places here, stop your stupid superficial copy and paste nonsense. You copy stuffs and make it your own.

Knowledge is different from information.

Again, what is your point? What exactly is to take home from this post?

2prexios:
Work out your history and allow the Yoruba work out her history. You can explore the "we" relativity the way you like but "we" don't share common original tradition, so explore science for your "Igbo" history.



Kindly assume I know what's on my mind for once if you are clueless about my point. I know exactly what you want to do here: I didn't say "traditional thought" if that's what "common tradition of origin" means to you.

How hhypnotism works

Earlier, all I said is that the Yoruba and Igbo doesn't share common tradition of origin. Tradition of origin to me is how a people claims they originated.

But the hypnotist created a different phrase to take us from my point to somewhere else he can do the kill.

Once done, he can party with the Igbo man he is backing up and they can have party after party, party after party after party sort of things.

Meanwhile, this is a man who did not provide any indigenous proof of connection between Yoruba and Igbo, but whose slander phrase "traditional thought" is the joker

The joker is meant to do the talk while I do the proof. At the end he has brought nothing to the table but kindled my fire to devour me. But there's something foundermental.

Communication Theory

One of the basic theory in communication that we learned at school was that information derived from a source, then travel through s channel to a destination.

I am the source of ikoko and okoro, macof is the channel, he adds nothing to it for like, 8 years. Here is the destination.

Effective communication generates feedback. Mr. Daramola (para) would say.By this, my claims are effective.

Knowledge emanates from a source, it travel through a channel as information. If macof is knowledgeable, he should draw from his own resources.

But no, he wanted to hypnotise and take us from the issue to a smokescreen where he can laugh with his brother doing nothing.

Another nonsense.
Even on the issue of tradition of origin
We find similarities driving the conclusion that there is a pattern among Lower Guinean cultures
1. A flooded world. 2. An ancestor coming from the heavens 3. Creation of Dry land by this ancestor 4. The ancestor settling and becoming the father of the nation
This "tradition of origin" is hence "common"

So what exactly is your point with this post?
You just rant without making any real point

Obalufon:
Your white master has put demacartion. Are negro or african or sub saharan, Soon they will carve out yoruba with all Unknown DNA and neanderthal DNA present in yoruba DNA...can't argue with you Mr macof is not my fault you were born into monkey lineage, live with it enjoy your kingdom of ape. and stay off yoruba.. No sentiment bruh, you are who you are ,You know nothing .. if not for useless white people that merge us with useless people you will not be talking rubbish..

. Just look at this disgraceful nonsense that this one has in his mind
You even lack coherence

akanbiaa:
A mad man's hair to grow naturally.

so this looks like a mad man?
https://media.haircutinspiration.com/photos/20190506220330/Shapely-Afro.jpg
Guy you're not ok
You have been seriously conditioned by colonisation to hate natural African hair
People with your type of mentality should have no place educating the next generation of Africans

Obalufon:
stop this ibo and yoruba nonsense we are thousands of years apart in evolutionary tree, we are not cannibals or naked people , the point you people were 70yrs ago we yoruba were not like that 10,000yrs ago. no point in yoruba history we were ever roaming the forest bucknaked ,we are city builders our history go beyond Nigeria. Sudan , Mali , morrocco. gambia . Mauritania.. The steps and foot print left behind by our ancestors can still be seen ,,Ibn battuta renown world traveler and historian wrote about Yoruba oyo greatness in the 13 or 14 century Even Ahmed baba greatest african scholar .... Yoruba had been writing in ajami since 12 century ..so trying to merge us with ibo hairy gorillas is sacrilegious

You are the biggest of the buffoons I've told you this before

Let me just correct few things here
1. Ibn Battuta never mentioned the Yoruba. I have read the reports of his Rihla. If you want to argue just present the page and quote where he mentioned any Yoruba kingdom or Oyo empire as you say
2. Yorùbá greatness does not negate the fact that Yoruba are a native African people. Africans can be great too, you dummy

MetaPhysical:
Stop typing rubbish and beating around the bush. You are a Yoruba-wannabe! We have seen it and know who you are. Nairaland rules forbid posting of personal information about members. Your cover is blown.

Do you not see that we no longer respond to macof on Yoruba topics?

Your cover is blown, omo atohun rinwa!

I said tell me more about myself since I don't know my lineage, you say nairaland rules forbids you. so how can you prove that you know who I am and that I am not yoruba?
You see how stupid you are

I'm just enjoying this new campaign of yours. No more ludicrous origin claims for the Yoruba nation, your energy is now towards the individual yorubas who see you for the lunatics that you are

BTW. Of course you don't respond. Do you have anything of worth to respond? All your time trying to force semitic origin on nairaland did you ever give a sensible response? I can't even count how many times I have corrected you on basic things you fail to realize

2prexios:
Be whatever you like to be, you are a pretender with excuses you will never take from anyone as you can see in your response.

I don't have to put you to shame about this, you are helping me to putting yourself in perpetual shame on autopilot every time.

Why do what your enemy will do against himself for him? The fire of my enemies shall devour them.

Just let me handle the complicated part.

Lmao. When nairaland discussion has made this one call me his enemy
So dramatic
Dumb church boy

2prexios:
Yes I said that years ago, probably 7 or 8 years back. I said now that Igbo doesn't share common tradition of origin with the Yoruba in the simple sense that Oduduwa will appeared in their tradition.

By this token, I respect the uniqueness of Igbo tradition as different from Yoruba tradition. If I know nothing about it, the limitations are mine not Igbo tradition.

That difference extends to the uniqueness of Yoruba tradition too. If an Igbo man doesn't know a thing about Yoruba tradition, its not the limitations of tradition but that of the fellow.

The methodology inherent in this scenario is the principle of Set.

We do not share common tradition of origin. So on our original circle, Oduduwa is part of Yoruba property that does not extend to Igbo or others.

However, we were not neighbors by accident.

Whatever we shared with every other culture at our neighborhood (or beyond, as the case may be) with each having the same explanation is the "intersection" property so to say.

That property is what I mean by relativity: whatever it is we have in common with the Igbo or any of our neighbors. I am not dealing with the intersection, but with the unique Yoruba tradition.



Your sickness is assuming my inferences to twist my point to your information. Whatever you know multiplied by the fact that you are not Yoruba but pretending to be one equal to ZERO.

How does this address the post? another episode
You weren't talking about oduduwa moments ago. Suddenly you start ranting about oduduwa being exclusively Yoruba
Duh! Who said oduduwa was igbo?

samuk:
To the average Igbo, Edo is Yoruba and to the average Yoruba, Edo is omo Ibo. This confusion is largely due to ignorance.

this is not true. To the average Yoruba, edo is actually just "a distant Yoruba group"
No Yoruba person who grew up in Yorùbáland around Yoruba influences would think Edo are igbo

ghostwon:
I guess you were not only there in the 1400's but that you were also in the heads of the europeans and that you watched stayed there and observed over the centuries. That would be the only logical explanation for your statement. You are not only a time traveler but also a mind reader.

You claim europeans met only costal kingdoms, yet their maps show kingdoms very far away from the coasts, e.g mali.
The capital of Benin empire is not a costal city neither ! But the europeans visited it even though many towns are between Benin city and the coast, they saw Lagos, they saw Warri, but they had to go to the nerve center of the empire, Benin city.

You are trying very hard to rubbish actual history and replace it with your fabricated fiction.
Your logics: "the people who witnessed our ancestors and wrote what they saw were wrong, I did a time travel and also read their minds. I who was not born when history was taken place, I know better than those who actually saw what was taking place and wrote it down."

With these your superpowers, can you tell me what is happening in my house right now, let us put your superpowers to test.
You are a medium with magical powers.

Shiver99 is quite correct. You don't have to have existed in the past or read minds to tell things that can be identified with study and common sense
If in 2020, you still think 16th-18th century Europeans knew enough about African empires and states then you have a problem my man.
How do you expect people who never left the coast to know enough about big empires and wealthy Kings in the hinterlands?

European sources of that period have been studied and most details found to be misconceptions and errors. Even kingdoms that they heard about from the coast were mispositioned on the map or given too much territory on the map

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/2/1349178118577/Africa-map-001.jpg?width=1010&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=a18d78a82e87d96395b4521847facdc7
Here is a 16th century map of africa by Sebastian Münster....the best (compared to other maps) i have seen of this period, yet even filled with so much errors.
let me give you just one interesting example...
right around the middle you can see Regnum Organe which refers to Ile-ife (ie. kingdom of the Oghene). The kingdom is awfully mispositioned and given a territory that boarders Nubia, it is also futher north than Mali (Regnum Melli)

Think about it, it's not a difficult situation to understand

2prexios:
Ihumadinuoju

"We" doesn't work in Yoruba/Igbo history.

Work out your history and allow the Yoruba work out her history. You can explore the "we" relativity the way you like but "we" don't share common original tradition, so explore science for your "Igbo" history.

Oko kii je ti baba at'omo k'oma laala.

Yoruba history is already "well established" on scientific "ground" and thus, not needing your "scientific" theory to function. You don't understand this "BLINK" about Yoruba history as ingrained in her culture.

That's what the thread is all about.

This clown is here saying Yoruba and Igbo don't share any common traditional thought
But some time ago he was trying to make out a Hebrew connection with the Yoruba word "ìkókó" and the igbo name "Okoro"
Same thing you try to do with Edo "Odion" and the Yoruba "Odiyan"

Yoruba history is already established... So you know that? Yet you have attacked the establishment of yoruba history for years, trying to rubbish it and turn Yoruba to Hebrew descendants
You are sick mr. Man

2prexios:
Yes bro, quite a while. Hope you are good bro? Thanks so much for your interest. I believe you have read my findings on the Ad?

Great knowledge is infective.

You see that they are incapable of addressing the issue questioning their identity . Even the most callous criminal breaks when you get them, imagine if they were the ones having that to use against you.

They will turn the anger to something else and you must be careful not to play their game, just keep the cool to see where else they want to hide. It's for the destroyer to find a prey.

The point is already made, only a fool wallow in their kind of polemic. Macof and ihumadinuoju were both Igbo, they needed Yoruba to be what they claimed for a purpose.

But can a total stranger become authority on Yoruba history? They were "phantom authority". They will strive but end up in shame at the end. The end is the progression of now.

addressing what issue. I should tell you my personal details so you stalk me or even trail me to my abode? This one that you are obsessed with me
And even if you were not to stalk me. Just what does giving you my personal deitals achieve? On a faceless forum anyone can lie about their personal details. Heck. All of you Hebrew and Arab wannabes probably don't have Yoruba ancestry. You can't question someone else when you are not free of suspicion of impersonation either. Have I seen your birth certificate and state of origin certificate? Do I know your face? Do I even know your name and your family members?

But buffoons like you don't think straight

Also let's be real historical research has nothing to do with whether you are from the place whose history is being talked about or not. It is only expected that natives would be exposed through the historical culture of their society to firm remembrance of their past. But what happens when a society fails to develop a solid historical culture, or foreign influences like colonisation and foreign religions corrupt their historical culture... Natives fail to have a firm remembrance of their past.

Ask any other historian about this..
But oh, well its not like you are even capable of understanding this


I am igbo, I am Edo I like how none of you attempt or pretend to find evidence for your claims anymore, seems you have found that you are all lost causes
It's now to try to "disqualify" those who challenge you from the discussion of yoruba history

MetaPhysical:
Your cover came off, your identity is no longer a secret. Yoruba-wannabe.

I wonder why you guys are ashamed to show pride in your own background.

I said you're a buffoon so obviously since your stupid claims have been rubbished the best thing you can think to do is to run a new campaign calling those more Yoruba than your father non-yorubas
I didn't know you knew my origin more than me, no wonder you are so bold to think you can dictate Yoruba origin to Yoruba people.. Now you want to also dictate whether I am Yoruba or not
Clowns

I didn't know I was Olufemi the igbo/Edo journalist until you guys told me
Same way your imagination is leading you to all sorts of conclusions on yoruba history is how you have been led to think you know my identity and that I am not yoruba
Keep it coming. Tell me more about myself that I didn't know

MetaPhysical:
He is addressing moles in our midst, which many of you have proven to be.

Why do you think many of us stopped engaging you on Yoruba topics. Your cover has been blown.

Get sense!

another buffoon that hasn't lost his buffonery.

2prexios:
You can see "spiritual agreement" here, but observe the true Yoruba on this thread, no agreement.

Lawani, olu, absolute success, metaphysical, obalufon. None of us share exactly the same view but we claim common origin.

Compare to what you and your brother ihumadinuoju want us to believe by fire by force. Whereas you are complete Igbo folks.

This pattern further proof how your locus standi as infiltrators will play out against the Yoruba history.

Eventually, I guarantee that you are gradually unfolding as spies with vested interest to subject Yoruba tradition to your whims and Caprice.

You are fading into thrash and vulgarity. Getting you engaged has paid off: ihumadinuoju is behind kayfra monicker.

. this guy is a shameless buffoon.
So you are pretending not to be absolutesuccess?
Jeez! Really? You must be very stupid to think it's not obvious you run multiple accounts

akanbiaa:
Can you really pay a Teacher for his services? The moment we start treating Education as seeking knowledge and morals and not a business the better for all stake holders.

So it is immoral to allow your natural hair to grow?
Who deceived you like this?