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Olu317:
You try macof but what amaze me is that you don't give concrete information to buttress your instead, abuse. This is really shocking. I guess, facts hit you like thunder. Renowned scholars in Yoruba history acknowledged that Ileife has moved for close to 8 times and the places can't even be traced except via oral account. Mr. man, show evidence of your information and stop using Ife as excuse. Yorubas are not the only one on planet earth.

Mind you, Yoruba do not have the oldest bones on earth although if you have contrary established facts from historians or archeologists, kindly share. As far as I am concerned, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of ancient beginning but they were not the first mankind on earth. Instead, they were told by God ,how he created the world and established mankind on earth. Ileifeife i Nigeria is not even older t than oldest fossil found in Morocco, Ethiopia, Israel. Kindly inform us.

Lmao. This is how you go about desperately trying to connect anything to your Hebrew agenda mentioning Israel every opportunity you get

Some scholars speak of multiple era Ife on the same site mentioning Ife Ooyelagbo and Ife Oodaye
Some speak of multiple Ife on different sites across the Volta-Niger region.. Citing places like Amedzofe and Ife Abejukolo


This is a very deep topic, such that you are too unequipped and blinded by your urge to connect anything to your masters in Israel to actually realize the true implications of these suggestions (should they be true)

I personally have defended both suggestions

I am also aware of the claim of your little band here on NL who claim Niniveh is Ife
I'm sure this one you like, because it connects ife to the middle East
But no renowned scholar is of this opinion, neither is there any basis for such suggestion

Show evidence for which information? Be specific and while you prepare your specifics
You still have not addressed the fact that in Yorùbá traditions Ife is the foundation of our civilization and humanity at large
Whether this be inconsistent with current Paleoanthropologic knowledge or not is not the point,
The point is that Yoruba belive Ife is their origin

You would have to provide evidence that said ife is in the middle East

Debaiz:
Once again your arrogance in ignorance. Continue and good luck.

You are the ignorant one here who can't even keep cool
You are wrong and oblivious of yoruba terms thereby relying heavily on google and still you want to run a hot head

twosquare:
I can't repeat myself on this topic, but I will say this, stop using the present to judge the past...stop making that mistake. The terrain of the present is far different from the past in wildlife, nature, and richness of animal species. We only have 3900 tigers in the world. The Caspian tiger is no more; the lions in the Middle East are no more, the dodo bird is no more, and so on. If you come late into a region, whatever you meet there is what you will say is native to that place (even though some things might have been there before). Let's assume tigers are not native here, but Ibaaka (camel, popularly called rakunmi by Muslims) is not native here too, but Yoruba has a name for it.

Don't just assume ancient Yorubas did not observe them up close. Go as far back as 12th-13th century, even so far back, not 18th, 19thc. Go as far back as ancient Egypt, the darling of the whole world. Ibon (gun) is not native to ancient Yorubas but was given a name and witnessed up close. You always ignore transcultural and transborder influences and experiences. So many options. Expand your thinking.

About your comment on Ìbaaka I was going to reserve my response because I try to avoid engaging in topics I am not sure of
But I have always thought of two possibilities
1. Either just as you said Ìbaaka is camel
2. Or Ìbaaka is another name for the Donkey or related animal

I am yet to confirm but I just thought I should say this since you brought it up again

But what you get 100% wrong is to suggest that Tigers were found in Yorùbáland but are now extinct
You have no basis for this suggestion

Yoruba would have a name for camel because we traded extensively with people who used camels

The problem here is that Tiger cannot be called Ẹkùn when Leopard is already Ẹkùn
Both animals cannot share one word neither can tiger usurp the word from Leopard
We need to find a word for Tiger

Olu317:
My brother, an ignorant will perpetually be one. I am of the opinion, that this guy crying over a spill milk, knows and wonder how on earth can these things really be!

And the propaganda written by assimilated votaries, priests,priestess Yorubas,which had great negative impacts on Yoruba history,religion and medicine but the cheering news is that these people and their descendants could not interpret the written ideograms on Yoruba soil but do guess work.In fact, I likened these people to modern day non Yoruba pastors,who married Yoruba females and their children became part of the Yoruba nation, where their children knowledge is divided between their paternal and maternal lineages that dearly desired to be merged as one, when in fact, they are distinct.So, bother yourself not anymore because the person you engage has no written historians records that fixed Yorubas foundational home in Nigeria or Africa .

@bold

You are deranged
So what is Ifè to Yoruba of not foundational home?

twosquare:
Ol'olaaj--break it down...Olóòlà Ijù. Olóòlà is an occupation in old Yoruba culture who gives out circumcision to children or pple. Ijù is "wild" "forest"....
It means tiger, the circumciser of the forest....they added, a kọ Ọmọ ní ilà lai lo abẹ (who gives incision to children without a blade).
Cc VanTee20

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It appears you don't take into account that Yoruba animals have oríkì

Ogidan is Kìnnìún
"Ogidan olola iju" cannot refer to tiger because ancient yorubas did not observe tigers as tigers did not exist in their sphere of contact

Debaiz:
Mr Yoruba knowledge.

If you can right off someone’s knowledge just because it’s from Nat geo wild shows how arrogant in ignorance you are not only that, this shows your unwillingness to learn from superior researchers(Nat Geo).

Your unwillingness to learn and arrogance is quite evident from your right up. You believe a 7year old cannot know more than you but your display has shown that not only will a 7year old better your knowledge but you will be schooled.

You said Yoruba people from several platforms have said it yet the logo of Amotekun security outfit has a leopard in it. All online sources including but not limited to google translate says its leopard.

Are you saying you know more than 6state Governors, scores of first class traditional Kings, hundreds if not thousands of local hunters and traditional worshippers who were consulted before the project started?

If this is not arrogance then I don’t know what it is.

I won’t continue engaging an arrogant ignorant. Now shift let me see front.

Yoruba traditions are clear that ẹkùn is a spotted animal
I don't know what your references to Nat Geo Wild is supposed to prove
Does Natgeo wild tell you Ẹkùn is Tiger?

And I am less concerned with the main picture used for Operation Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn..
Rather more so on the use of the word "Ẹkùn" for two animals
One not being known to ancient Yoruba
And how were hunters and traditionalists consulted over the picture?
Is it not due to that error that this conversation has been provoked?
Same way we are trying to correct the error that Èṣù is Satan

knowledge of traditional yoruba would make anyone realise this not Natgeo wild and Google that you keep referencing

And look at him running mad over a very simple topic. Better calm yourself

Sanchez01:
Never have I seen the Presidency, the ACF and Miyetti Allah, alongside some of their elders consistently come out to condemn someone or something as they have done Amotekun ever since the security outfit was launched.

The presidency, through its AGF didn't waste any time to claim that the Amotekun initiative is illegal. The same has never for once condemned the activities of killer herdsmen running riots across states in Nigeria.

The Arewa Consultative Forum didn't waste time either to claim that presence of Amotekun will threaten the unity of Nigeria and I've been wondering how. As if that wasn't enough, a dying Ibrahim Babangida suddenly found his voice to campaign against the newly launched outfit in the South West.

Miyetti Allah, for the first time, has shown great signs of fear by sending its influential people out to announce that Amotekun is not only illegal but also set up to target the Fulanis in Nigeria. As if that wasn't enough, their supposed head in Oyo 'demanded' to have Fulanis as members of the security outfit and I am left to think whether or not these guys think at all.

In a bid to drive home their points, a cattle rearing organization as the Miyetti Allah suddenly had the power to dangle the ticket of the presidency before the South East. The same who said the SE stands no chance in Nigeria suddenly becomes the one claiming the South West has destroyed its chances of landing the ticket and as such, it should go to the East.

The Game

Prior to the launch of Amotekun, Northern elites and key figures had been coming out to hint that the North will still hold on to power in 2023 because its initial eight years under Yar'Adua was never completed because Jonathan failed to honour the gentleman agreement.

After Amotekun, there seems to have been a sudden turn-around as the stance has changed from 'we're keeping the seat' to 'the South West have destroyed her chances, therefore the South East should have it'.

The Hypocrisy

Hisbah is not only a security outfit but also a Northern Police outfit. They were reported to have even arrested a police officer in Kaduna or Kano recently just because the officer was found with a prostitute. The AGF never came out to announce that Hisbah is illegal, neither did the ACF announce that the presence of Hisbah threatens the unity of the country.

A dying Babangida didn't come out to criticize Hisbah and neither did any God-forsaken retired police IG come out to criticize the rag-tag-like group.

The Agenda

The South West is the only region in Nigeria that conveniently houses and accommodates every tribe, creed and religion in Nigeria, far more than other regions. So I'm wondering; out of all ethnic groups, and tribes in the South West, none have come out to claim the set up of Amotekun is targeted at them but the Fulanis. The question is 'WHY'?? Why are the Fulanis worried? Why are Northern elders jittery and coming out one after another to cry? Who equipped Miyetti Allah with the power to dangle the presidency ticket before the South East and the South West?

What is the Presidency, the ACF and Miyetti Allah afraid of?


Sanchez01

This whole episode has made the North reveal themselves to be enemies of the Yoruba

And Yoruba must consider them so

When you build a wall around your unguarded house and your neighbour is complaining bitterly, you know who the thief is

reccy:
Well, it should rather be the other way round, their intention is bad ( with the recent registration of members in church and their body language towards Muslims) but it's actually constitutional.....

Well my take is, if they want amotekun, every religions should be carry along otherwise scrap the nonsense ....

. What nonsense is this one saying?

I'm sure you are a northerner or weak middle belt trying to say shit about what you don't know.
Sly cow lovers

Debaiz:
Watch Nat geo wild, you’d get enough info. My 7year old nephew will tell you lions kill leopards. Even if it’s to steal their prey let alone when it steps into lion territory.

Tiger is the only cat family that do not fear the lion though they avoid each other where they meet.

The fact that it never existed in africa doesn’t mean yorubas won’t have name for it.

Sharks(Akurakuda) and octopus(eja elesemejo) are not renowned much in west African waters coupled with the average Yoruba mans fear of water but yorubas have name for it

Sea gulls(Peju Peju) are birds of Southern Africa and European waters, yorubas have a name for it

Mr. Man people who know about Yoruba zoology more than you have stated the correct words for this on several platforms. And I gave you points to consider, Yoruba traditions are clear when talking about Ẹkùn... Its a spotted animal not stripped animal

Your 7 year old nephew can teach you whatever that's your business but leopards are not slouches and survive lion attacks. Lion and leopard confrontation is rare on its own, but even virtually unseen is a single lion killing a leopard
And again why are you just talking about fight? Is that all there is to an animal? Who fights better?

While your entire knowledge and impression of these animals is based on Nat Geo Wild you fail to realise that Yoruba are all too familiar with Ẹkùn
Yoruba are not familiar with Tiger

HBB1:
And Elephants exist in England?

. Elephant is not an original English word

Just as Rakumi (camel) is not an original Yoruba word

Some have suggested Taiga for the Yoruba word for Tiger

absoluteSuccess:
Psychologists call this "lying by generalizing".



Please what do you have as "actual historical sources"? I know you have no explanation for this.

You always sounds big and clever to evade entertaining knowledge because you have none to offer.

How is it possible for a self-acclaimed historian to always adopt fact-efacing terminologies as answers to every technical historical questions?



What should we expect from a destroyer? It's funny how your source critics lived through the Bible ages to our time just to renounce the bible.

Point us to a work in your collection that holds historical weight from this same source critics to understand your arguments better.

Perhaps they also inspired your counter thread to this one? Finding fault is your article in trade. That's quite easy to do than anything else.




At least you're not knowledgeable in the Bible but in the claims of "source critics" third party. So, keep shut and let those in the know teach you what you don't know.

You cannot know more than your teachers. You have no idea of your own safe what you were fed by the people in the business. You're not intelligent enough to find out yourself.



You can do exactly what you have done to the Bible to every other ancient narratives as well to become a real historian.



You have to dodge whatever input that beat your intellect as usual. That's the prank you pull for many years on here.

Nothing of relevance here

godspeed:
It's not that simple.

First, you have to look at the origin of the Yoruba language and how it has developed over the centuries.

No doubts, contact with foreigners either thru trade, slavery or colonialism would have had a large influence on the Yoruba language.( Much like the English language is heavily influenced by Latin and French) .

That the yorubas never saw tigers does not mean they never heard about it or didn't at least get a description.

Remember, one of the stories about oduduwa is that he came to Ife from Arabia haven fled the peninsula when Mohammad the prophet was ridding Arabia of idolaters, infact, oduduwa brought the IFA religion from Arabia.

No doubts, oduduwa arrival in Ile Ife would have had an effect on the local language as a lot of new words would have been introduced into the Yoruba lexicon.

So as regards' Ekun' , it could have been a borrowed word from oduduwa's language, or a coinage from the description of the animal as given to them by oduduwa.

Remember, Arabia is neighbors with India, so the tiger will not be strange to them.

BTW, amotekun means Leopard, cheetahs also not native to west Africa.

godspeed:
But they definitely came from the middle East, probably from Arabia ( who are neighbors with India) at least this is one of the myths about oduduwa the progenitor of the yorubas

1. Yorùbá are not from Arabia
2. No traditional Yoruba story says oduduwa came from mecca, that's another error made popular by Muslims clerics and missionaries just like the Ekun - Tiger error or Esu - Satan error

So all this errors are being corrected now

Nezero:
I got this beautiful post from my WhatsApp group


ON THE MEANING OF ÀMỌ̀TẸ́KÙN

A debate has been raging on since two days ago about what animal exactly do Yorùbá refer to as Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn. One thing that amazes me is the number of people that erroneously believe and claim that Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn is leopard. This people gave link to website offering Yoruba names of different animals and lo and behold, it renders Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn as leopard. This site also claims ẹkùn is tiger, an animal that never exist in the whole of Africa and by implication it never exist in Yorùbá land. It translates àjàò as nurctunal animal.

I want to appreciate the brain behind the website but they need to research more and give accurate names of these animals. It also shows that we need a central authority in terms of reference book where we can turn to for accurate Yorùbá names of flora and fauna. An ideal rendition of the animal call "Tiger" by a Yoruba man will likely be "ẹkùn abilà" just as we have adopted "kẹ́tẹ́kẹ́tẹ́ abilà" for zebra.

To this debate I have some responses to make in order to clear the air. First of all, tiger is an Asian animal. What we have here is leopard. Thank God I was born and brought up in rural area and followed elders a little. More, my hometown, Ibese in 1979 became famous when a stray ẹkùn was killed in a farmland near the town by some brave hunters. We have pictures of what Yoruba refers to as Ẹkùn and it is leopard.

Concerning Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn, there is no confusion about it. Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn is cheetah. Yoruba says, "Asunkún pani obìnrin Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn." This saying draws a comparison between a deceptive woman who can kill her husband even though she will be the first to start crying at the slightest provocation, and Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn with its two black stripes on its face resembling black tears streaming down its cheek.

The comparison also fits perfectly because of the sleeky shape of Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn (compared to the robust shape of leopard) which Yoruba must have regarded as prominent feminine feature.

More, cheetah is common in Africa and in Yorùbá land. The colonialists recorded it was a common site in Ilorin then.

Now, back to operation Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn, either by fortuity or deliberate design, those who came up with the name seem to have hit the perfect spot.


OP you have really done well.
Akure is a town very familiar with Ekun..it is the leopard. There are lots of leopards in ancient African photos. Their hides/skin also exist in abundance too.


Yearly Tigers kill people in Asia..no such occurrence in Africa. You won't find their hides too.



Many people want to remain ignorant.

A lot of Nigerians love ignorance

So unready to unlearn a false information to relearn the right thing

nlPoster:
For those who feel linked to tigers, Ekun is tiger.

For those who know the Yoruba word for leopard, ekun is leopard.

The first group can go with ekun as a descriptive term for big cats.

In what language is this done?

One group of people call one animal by one name then another group who don't know better call another animal by the same name?? Weird stuff right there

neyobills:
Lol I actually saw the hides of the tiger with my eyes and not some hearsay in my grandfather's words only seasoned hunters dare a face off with a live tiger as they can also hypnotize their prey with their fierce look.

There is a Yoruba folklore song
Oju EKUN Yi pon Iru EKUN Yi Le loosely translated as The tigers eyes is bloodshot and the tigers tail is hard

Tigers have the most vicious bloodshot eyes of all the big cats,their eyes are bloodshot red even in cartoons so u do the math.

What makes u think there are no Tigers in Africa really,just google？

im not a professional zoologist studied something close however im a conservationist.

Can you describe how the hide looked like? Or better post a picture because we know how things dey be with personal claims on this forum

And wtf! "Oju EKUN Yi pon Iru EKUN Yi Le" is consistent with the leopard
In cartoons?? Are you kidding me? Cartoons are your reference?
Not saying tigers do not possess blood lustful eyes but your reference to cartoons just renders your whole point very weak if popular media is where you draw this knowledge from

I don't rely on random or questionable sources.
There are countless articles from experts that I'm sure you can find if you want to be convinced
Asking me what makes me think tigers aren't native to Africa is like saying what makes me think USA is a country

It's simple knowledge

Hayelomo:
The theory that yorubas cannot have a name for tiger because it is not native to Africa can only work if no single tribe in Africa has a name for Tiger. People adopt names for things that are not necessarily native to the culture. The theory of nativity is still prone to exceptions and you can't 100% say something does not exist somewhere except you have done a thorough and complete search of the area in a way you can't miss it which is practically impossible. Ai rin jina, lai r'abuke okere. Tiger may not be native to Africa, but that still doesn't rule out the possibility of encountering or seeing it at some point in time and at that point, ekun was adopted for tiger. Language is dynamic and as of the Yoruba of today, Ekun is the name for tiger and Amotekun the name for Leopard.

That is why a word needs to be thought of for tigers not using the word for leopard

Ẹkùn cannot be both tiger and leopard

UnitedFront:
But there are English names for all animals even including the ones that couldn’t be found in their environment. Explain that

Because the English borrowed names for them

The English did not give the Tiger a name of an already known animal in their environment

Tiger etymological comes from Persian "Tigra"

Some have suggested Tiger be called "Taiga" in Yoruba

GidiWoodsMan:
pound for pound, the leopard is the deadliest of the big cats.

I agree. And I believe Zoologists state this too

Leopards and Tigers are a lot more successful than lions in this survival game
And leopards are generally unchallenged in their domain unlike the lion that even honey badgers threaten
Or Tigers that monkeys mess with

No animal messes with the leopard

neyobills:
As a zoologist I'm here to debunk the claims that Tigers are not found in Africa,they only exist in 2 continents Africa and Asia,my late grandfather was a hunter and he particularly told us a story of a tiger he killed,the hides of the tiger was on the wall of his room anyway so, it's no hearsay,in the hunting society the head and mostly the hides of their big bounties are kept by the particular killer of the beast more like a trophy to show off,Tigers can live in a wide variety of habitats from Savannahs to Rainforest heck they can even swim even swamps too so they definitely exist in Nigeria.

In my grandfather's words tigers are even more feared by hunters because according to Yoruba myth they also hypnotize they prey with their face because the have the fiercest of looks as part of their hunting tactics that's why there is a Yoruba, saying that Koseni ti o to gbena woju EKUN loosely translated no one dare look a tiger in the face.

AMOTEKUN is actually a Leopard and they are they king of Ambush in all of the big cats I guess that's why the name was adopted for the security network,they don't have the strength for long sprints like other cats so stealth is Key in their hunting tactics.

They are actually called AMOTEKUN because just like Tigers they are lone rangers and hunters and they actually have better stealth and camoflague than Tigers hence the name AMOTEKUN loosely translated he who knows as much stealth as the Tiger.

IMO

Lion is KINIUN
Tiger is EKUN
Leopard is AMOTEKUN
cheetah is ETA

Your grandfather was probably saying the word "Ẹkùn" and Google translate made you think the Ẹkùn he was talking about is Tiger

But no Yoruba hunter would find Tigers because Tigers don't live in our part of the world. I don't know what University you studied zoology that told you otherwise

Debaiz:
This is totally wrong every Yoruba proverb points to the fact that EKUN is Tiger.

Kaka ki kiniun s’akapo EKUN, won a yaa s’ode won loto’to ni

A leopard can never be compared to a lion in any way let alone suggesting having same hunting purse. Lions kill Leopard every time they come in contact. Only a tiger can stand up to a lion.

Yiyo EKUN bi t’ojo ko

Leopard are not known to tiptoe when hunting. They ambush their prey. Either by jumping on them from the top or crouching to the flow and wait. Tigers are known worldwide to be the most sneaky of all the cats. They have the ability to walk on dried leaves without making sound. This is helped by their large meaty and fluffy paws that makes each of the step to be soft.

I have never heard of lions killing leopards
As far as I know they avoid each other just as the Yoruba saying which you mentioned goes "Kaka ki kiniun s’akapo EKUN, won a yaa s’ode won loto’to ni"
Leopards are just as silent as the tiger in hunting

Yoruba would not have been able to observe Tigers because tigers do not exist anywhere in Africa

So all sayings about Ẹkùn refer and are consistent with the leopard

Xisnin:
Wrong analysis.
Ekun is Tiger, an animal need not be local before having a local name and in science
parlance you don't rely on one evidence to make a conclusion.

Ekun gains its reputation by being ferocious and strong and even seen as a rival of the lion.
No person with knowledge of wildlife will compare a leopard to a lion in any way when an
an average lion could snap a leopard's neck if it got the chance.

Only the tiger can match a lion muscle for muscle and pound for pound.

What you people who don't know anything about Yoruba Language and culture fail to realise is that Ẹkùn is a very important animal in Yorùbá traditions
It's hide is worn by hunters and used to decorate sacred sites and palaces
Some priests paint spots on their bodies like ekùn during certain rituals

And these are consistent with the leopard not tiger (that has stripes and is not native to Africa)

The word "Ẹkùn" is not new to Yoruba lexicon but the knowledge of the tiger is new to yorubas

And speaking about Lion against the Leopard... Leopards are better survivors, they are essentially all rounders and yes a leopard can survive a fight with a lion
But Yoruba ancient zoologist were not going around grading animals by who can beat who in a fight

awwfar:
ekun is Tiger mr....think na,
Why would they refer to someone dangerous as Ekun if Ekun is a mere leopard and Tiger is something else..is leopard stronger than a Tiger?

Tiger is not native to Africa https://www.catsforafrica.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/il_570xN.1564695736_263r1.jpg
and what do you mean by "mere leopard"?

Leopard is a big gun amongst animals, one of the few if not only animal that can enter anywhere, be it by jumping, running, stalking, climbing or swimming

Venerable612:
This is wrong.

First off the name Amotekun has nothing to do physical semblance as such.

It literally translates - “one who knows as Ekun”.

Again, you are wrong that Yoruba doesn’t have a transalation for Tiger - because our fathers didn’t have an encounter with them.

In fact Tiger has two Yoruba names. It could be called OGIDAN or EKUN. That’s why they say this provide - “Ogidan o ni se Barber, ki aja de be lo ge irun”.

And “KAKA KI KINIUN SAKAPO EKUN, OLODE A MAA RODE.“ Mind you Lion in Yoruba is Kiniun. And no one will ever compare a Lion with a Leopard. No animal can stand the Lion grit for grit amongst the Cat Family other than the Tiger; hence, the comparison.

Also, when Yorubas jokingly refer to someone as Ekun - it’s to represent that the person is a Strong man.

Thus,

Lion - Kiniun
Tiger - Ogidan and Ekun
Leopard - Amotekun
Cheetah - Owawa.

Hope this helps.

You are right about the translation of Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn
"one who knows as much as Ẹkùn"

But Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn is Cheetah
Owawa is not even a wild cat

We are really losing our Yoruba heritage

ChiSomtoChi:
Please we have our history. Don't force us with your marriage!

Whenever Igbos of SE say ANIOMAS are Igbo, y'all will say let the Aniomas speak for themselves. Now, we the Igbos are speaking for ourselves. We are Jews!

Lmao. I highly doubt that you know your history

Igbos are Jews I hear

absoluteSuccess:
You can use any written source of old to learn Yoruba history, as long as it has information that places your claims in better perspectives.

The readers, scholars and critics are not dumb, but there to confirm your claims or reject it oujtright, based on critical reviews, not on bias ground at first sight.

Great ideas in history are derived from inconsequential human artifacts and materials of all sort, bible inclusive. You consider the time frame of the artifact in question.

Every concepts draw it's thesis and antithesis. Your personal bias is not "World Historians' Standard". The world is not learning at your feet.

Don't make it look like such.



About 200 years ago, this man gave Clapperton the name "Yoruba" in its early form. He based his claims on what he was told regardless of how accurate.

Granted that he was no historian, he knew the people he was talking about, and he had a tradition he was referring to hence he said "we were told".

What he said came from the same source as the name Yoruba, and that's what the man is trying to establish. So he's not being creative but telling us the origin of the name Yoruba.

The name Yoruba was plucked from an Islamic source before the advent of Sultan Bello.

And as a well read scholar, the Sultan had details of the name from the same source, as common sense should reveal.



How does it beats you, a world renowned historian that the same man who was not to be taken seriously gave you your only identity?

Since everything that comes from the man should be rejected, then you definitely have no identity either, can you see your fooly?

Yoruba is an appellation, not a bloodline. If that's your identity, now what's the origin of the core of your only Identity right after your name?

The same name recently made headline and was questioned by all informed historians, how do you adopt an identity from the same source you scorned?

This put a big question mark on your IQ as a self-acclaimed historian and your sense of perception as an intelligent entity.

Historian, we need to know...

Nobody even considers the bible a proper source for Hebrew history. Usually historical details mentioned in the bible are only taken seriously when confirmed by actual historical sources
The Bible holds no weight as a historical source.
Countless source critics have stated this, even Jewish historians do

But some deranged fellow claiming to be Yoruba thinks the same Bible that doesn't mention Yoruba people is the source of yoruba history


As to the rest of your senseless chatter, I have no response to such irrelevant comment. Especially as It does not address my post

It is not a new thing to have all sorts of bogus claims
But when you examine it the claim of Ikwerre originating from Bini comes with no evidence

And what is it with Bini claiming everybody originated from Bini and using this to push some sort of superiority agenda

PeterKbaba:
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE ARE SPIES PAID TO COME ONLINE, ESPECIALLY AFRICAN FORUMS AND ACT LIKE THEY ARE YORUBA'S (NIGERIANS) TO KEEP ON DISCREDITING ALL OUR YOUNG YORUBA RESEARCHERS AND TRY TO SUPPRESS OUR HERITAGE THEY HAVE BEEN HIDING FROM US.

THIS IS MY OWN OPINION:
We Yoruba's have always called ourselves children of Noah (Omoluabi).
We call Oduduwa as Lamrudu.
The former Sultan of Sokoto once told the White man that the Yoruba's a Canaanites from the Land of Canaan.

Here is the meaning of CUSH:
Cush or Kush (/kʊʃ, kʌʃ/ Hebrew: כּוּשׁ, Kush) was, according to the Bible, the eldest son of Ham, a son of Noah. He was the brother of Canaan (land of Canaan), Mizraim (Egypt) and Phut (land of Libya), and the father of the biblical Nimrod mentioned in the "Table of Nations" in Genesis 10:6 and I Chronicles 1:8.

THIS BIBLE PROPHECY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
◄ Zephaniah 3:9-11 ►
9 For then I will restore pure lips to the peoples, that all may call upon the name of the LORD and serve Him shoulder to shoulder.
10 From beyond the rivers of Cush My worshipers, My scattered people, will bring Me an offering.
11 On that day you will not be put to shame for any of the deeds by which you have transgressed against Me. For then I will remove from among you those who rejoice in their pride, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain.

SO, WHERE IS BEYOND THE RIVERS OF NEW LAND OF CUSH, THAT THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF?
IS IT ALL THE TRIBES BELOW THE RIVER NIGER & BENUE??

using Bible to learn yoruba history

He say Sultan of Sokoto said Yoruba are from Canaan sultan of sokoto is now a Yoruba historian

Common English

Ọba of Bini visits Edo indigenes in rivers state

Some fools are saying the entire Niger delta is under Ọba of Bini

kayfra:
You sure you don't want to take up on Yoruba reverse migration from Japan? Lolz

Your very own back to Africa theory

honestly they would find more success and be a lot more convincing with a Japanese connection in this career of imaginative history

But alas, they don't feel sentiments or sire towards East Asian people.
The level of semitic worship here is disturbing

MetaPhysical:
FrLukas is saying many theories exist, some true, some mythical, some false. Instead of depending on half measures, he is proposing a full grade authentic and agreed upon record put together by a committee of authorities on Yoruba to issue a truth on origin.

This is good idea.

if you understand the need for truth you would work towards finding evidence for your so called theories
There are enough falsehoods already

MetaPhysical:
Thats what youve always claimed.....mixing us up with bantu stock.

Can you not propose a distinct and independent Yoruba race without throwing up Niger-Congo?

Give Ile Ife its own distinct world order separate and do not add any Congo stock to it.

Lets hear you try it....

Common sense is also far from you. Apparently you've learnt nothing, maybe you have to go back to all my previous posts because I'm not repeating myself

Obalufon:
Yoruba are not bantu ..

Common sense and comprehension is so far away from you
Smh
So you read and understood that "Yoruba are Bantu" from my post?? How? Where?