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Erm ........ Christians in hell

That’s like a paradox

Who’s a Christian?

The Christian is that man in Christ Jesus

He is in union with Christ

Can Jesus go to hell?

Hell no!

If Jesus can’t go to hell then the Christian can’t go to hell because he’s in union with Christ

quote author=Lamasta post=103380345]
Bible said there are some that will not see death till Jesus returns

Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



Dear one , clearly Jesus was referring to his ascension here. The ascension seems like a going to us , but Jesus described it as a coming on numerous occasions.

“Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:62‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Notice that every time the “coming in the clouds “ phrase appears in the New Testament , Jesus is being exalted.

This was borrowed from Daniel:


““I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is why Jesus said some who shall not taste death until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.

Firstly, some did not taste death before His ascension, while some did ( at least we know of Judas)

Secondly, He came into His kingdom after His ascension when all power and dominion was given to Him.

Cheers.

You can also check out So will i (100 billion times) by Hillsong.

That song is deep!

quote author=Righteousness2 post=103304577]
Wrong! God's Standard does not change for anyone.
King David was a man after GOD'S because He would fall in His knees and repent once he was reproved of his Sins.
Read your Bible so False Prophets don't deal with you.

So you and King David are under the same covenant abi?

You don’t even know who you are

What did you expect a man under the law to do when he sinned?

Why was the levitical priesthood established?

Yet you compare yourself to David

There’s medicine for each ailment
Stop taking other people’s medicine.

I think Dr. Damina is quoted out of context here. He’s no way endorsing sin. He’s only teaching what the Bible says.

Firstly, Jesus defines sin.

“of sin, because they do not believe in Me;”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The sinner is the man who doesn’t believe in the finished work of Christ.

This is as clear as daylight. You can not redefine sin. This is the sin that takes a man to hell. This is the only sin that can not be forgiven. This is the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
This is why David prophecied that the man in Christ is blessed because his sins are no longer counted against him.

“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom the LORD does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭32:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Paul quotes David:

“just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:6-8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Meditate on the word “impute”.

Consider also the writer of Hebrews:


“then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He does not even remember your sins anymore!

He’s forgiven you all your sins, yet you’ve refused to forgive yourself.

You still want to work your ass ass to heaven, instead of receiving His free gift of righteousness.

Have you not read?

“If You, LORD, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand?”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭130:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

To all those self righteousness folks who will rather earn their salvation so that they can make heaven, is there no unrighteousness in you ?

If the Lord should mark iniquity nko?

Would you be found squeaky clean?

Answer me nah.

Association of spotless men of God.

Awon set deputy to the Holy Ghost.

Ghen ghen !

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Is the above missing in your own Bible?

Grace

Faith

Gift

Not of works

What kind of lens are you wearing?

I’m sure they are not grace - tinted

Hmmm......,

I asked the Lord of lords and the King of kings;

"Who is this Nigerian man?" The King replied: "He bears My Name, Emmanuel!" He is Udom Gabriel Emmanuel, the current governor of Akwa Ibom State, Federal Republic of Nigeria. I have chosen him to repair Nigeria's broken walls. He will be there by My Power, Spirit and Strength. Under his leadership, Nigeria will change and change for better forever. Under his leadership, there will be abundant food supply, justice and equity will thrive in the land, the land will be secured, widows will rejoice, the youths will be glad, the orphans and fatherless will smile, old people and seniors will be remembered, and I will be with Him. "Do not look at Udom Emmanuel's appearance, nor his minority ethnicity or his stature. Man does not see what I, the Lord see; for you human beings see what is visible, but I the Lord see the heart (I Samuel 16:7).


Udom Gabriel Emmanuel is chosen by the True Lord God Almighty to become the President and Commander-in-chief, Armed Forces, Federal Republic of Nigeria in 2023.


"But have you not heard? I decided this long ago. Long ago I planned it, and now I am making it happen" (Isaiah 37:26).



*It is also prophetic that Governor Udom Gabriel Emmanuel has the Name; "Emmanuel" as his last name, which is the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of kings, the Lord of lords meaning; "God with us" (Matthew 1:23)


"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel" (which means, God with us" ---(Matthew 1:23 KJV)



The Lord says He will not only pass through Nigeria in 2023, but He will live and make His Sanctuary with Nigerians through His Servant, Udom Gabriel Emmanuel. He says : "Get yourself ready! Stand up and say to them, Nigerians at home and abroad , Do not be terrified by them, or I, the Almighty God will terrify you because of them" (Jeremiah 1:17

Thus says the Lord:

"Listen, Udom Gabriel Emmanuel, and all Nigerians, from east, west to north and all My faithful and believers, "Do not be afraid or discouraged because of them and their vast army. For the battle is not yours but God's" .

And to you Udom Gabriel Emmanuel, thus says the Lord : ""I brought you from the so-called minority and called you from the southeastern shores of the land. I said, 'You are My servant.' I have chosen and not rejected you. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand" (Isaiah 41:10).


Now to all Nigerians, home and abroad ; the Sovereign Lord God says ;

"Do not consider his-referring to Udom Gabriel Emmanuel-appearance or his height-or his ethnic minority status-(because)-I the Lord do not look at things people look at. Human beings look at the outward appearance, but I, the Lord look at the heart." (I Samuel 16:7). He said He would pass and visit and then live in Nigeria in 2023 and change the nation for good and forever so that, "all may know, from where the sun rises to where it sets, that there is none but Me; I am the LORD, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:06). For, "My name will be great among the nations, from the rising of the sun to its setting. … offerings will be presented in my name in every place because my name will be great among the nations, says the LORD of Armies" (Malachi 1:11).


The True Lord God Almighty has spoken, He will do it and His Awesome and Miraculous Hands shall accomplish this. Amen.

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=103182430] You told me you've never seen anywhere in the Bible where anyone, either Jesus or the apostles said a man was saved by works, but here you are contradicting yourself, by saying that the only work that saves according to the saying of Jesus you quoted was to believe. So were you lying when you said that or did you forgot then that there was a work that saves?

At least you've hence admitted, albeit reluctantly, the fact that man could be saved by works according to the Bible, right? Because belief according to you is a work, right? So it should be a righteous work, right? Or do you think it's a work of iniquity? Hmm...

I hope though you understand what Jesus actually meant by "believe on Him" because many Christians don't know that. They seem to give their own interpretation which completely differs from that of Jesus whenever He says that. So here Jesus' own interpretation of that saying:

John 8:31 (KJV)

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;


So can you see how Jesus interpretation differs from your own definition of that saying, and why Jesus said the work of God was to believe in Him? It was because to truly believe in Him was a real work. It required the keeping of His Words which is a work of God and righteousness. Therefore no worker of iniquity truly believes in Jesus according to His own interpretation of the Word.

So that's the work Jesus meant when He said "believe in Him" not just calling Him "Lord" and lip service that many Christians do today.

That's the belief (works) that would save anyone according to Jesus.

If you can't accept that glaring Truth of Jesus Words, then it's obvious your understanding is beclouded by erroneous preconceptions, hence there'd be no point going any further with you on this.

Thanks and God bless.

You probably don’t understand the use of words . Obviously, the Pharisees and Jews were people like you.

Just like you, they believe doing good works or keeping the laws of Moses will earn them salvation.

Jesus is saying , you don’t need such.

He’s saying , My own type of work is different from yours.

My own type of work is rest!

This type of work is the opposite of their own type of work


So the work Jesus is referring to is not their own type of work , but believing that He’s the Messiah.



He’s the son of God

He’s the Christ


To truly believe Him is not real work

He is only replying them in a language they’ll understand.

Check the meaning of antithesis.

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=103178285]Are you really sure you've never see it, or that you weren't willing to see it, because it clearly written there in several places.

It's okay though if you say so, here's one where Jesus who is the Savior, who paid the ultimate price for man's sins, said He would judge every man according to his works:

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

So what saves or destroys a man who Jesus rewards with eternal life or destruction respectively?

Can you see why I said you weren't willing to see it, because you can't say you haven't read this verse. And there are several of them like this in the Bible.

Hmmmm........You mean there are several of them in the Bible? My dear , let’s deliberate on them one by one , starting with the foregoing

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Evidently, Jesus seems to have a definition for works that is different from yours.

He says the work is to believe!

This is the only work that saves , my brother.

Any other works performed to earn salvation is futile and will only lead to self-righteousness.

If you’ve got more, bring them on.

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=103177238]So who are Christians then? Have you ever met any of them or do you think that you're one?

What you should know is that they (workers of iniquity) believed they were Christians, just as many workers of iniquity do today, but Jesus said no worker of iniquity would enter into His kingdom so enough of these titles.

Let stop deceiving ourselves with such but let our works be our title because that's what Jesus said He'd use to judge us at the end, and the reason Jesus never knew them is simply because Jesus never knows any worker of iniquity, not because one had a title called Christian or not!

So Jesus doesn't observe such titles but works!

God bless.

I have never read in my Bible , where Jesus , or any of the apostles say a man is saved by works . Perhaps I misunderstood your point

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=103092781]Who Were Those Anointed Christians Jesus Told To Depart From Him On That Day?

Jesus said:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)

They obviously "believed" in Jesus that He was Lord for them to be able to prophesy and do such extent of mighty works in His name.

And Jesus said there would be many of them on that day, so who were they?

Are they among us today?

Are they in the churches today?

Are they people we know?

Could it be that He was actually speaking of us?

One thing is for sure. They were not angels and didn't come from Mars, but human beings like us on Earth, who believed in Jesus to the extent that they were able to prophesy and do mighty works in His name. However they were also workers of iniquity, hence Jesus said He never knew them and told them to depart from Him.

So if you claim to believe in Jesus, but still work iniquity, it doesn't matter how much you prophesy, cast out devils or heal the sick, or if you pray and fast dry a hundred days straight, if you don't repent, Jesus was speaking about you, because no worker of iniquity would be allowed into His kingdom.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

He that has ears let him hear.

God bless

Beloved, let’s examine this scripture once again

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice what Jesus said......

I NEVER knew you.

Jesus didn’t say i once knew you at a time, then I stopped knowing you.

I NEVER knew you

It means you were never for once saved

It means i didn’t have any form of relationship with you

It means you were NEVER my sheep

This is why Jesus called them workers of iniquity.

Few verses earlier He had said......

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Therefore, workers of iniquity , whom Jesus said He never knew were the false prophets.

The false prophet claims to work miracles in the name of the Lord , but really does them by magic.

Lying signs and wonders

We have an example in the Book of Acts

“And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Bar-jesus: which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭13:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bar- Jesus is a false prophet as well as a sorcerer.

The false prophet claims to speak in the name of the Lord but he’s a sorcerer.

We have them among us today.

They build cathedrals
They perform miracles
They give accurate prophecies
They do good works to be seen and applauded by men
They are workers of iniquity

These are the ones Jesus is referring to here.
Not the Christians.

Be blessed.

[quote]quote author=collinsfhk post=103093614]Also;

quote author=Emusan post=103127150]

So you know there are several firstborn in the Bible which are used literally and Jesus Christ is one but you and your lying brothers have been interpreting "Firstborn of every Creature" to mean FIRSTCREATED BEING

You can even see how your darling Geneva Bible is exposing your lying mouth the mouth.

This post needs to be bookmarked!

No mind them jare my brother. Some will sink to the lowest depth to defend warped doctrines. His accomplice has suddenly gone into hiding after he was humbled. I’ve never met such dishonest and insincere bunch.

quote author=kobobay post=103088445]In this video, a dear brother explains the subject of once saved always saved with the spiritual circumcision. The Bible says we are spiritually circumcised by faith in Christ Jesus.

Christ made this possible through his death on the cross, and we are eternally secured in Christ Jesus.
Therefore, this is one of the irrefutable proves of once saved always saved, Christ did the hardest part of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ08JI1IS2U

Brilliant analogy

quote author=haddeylium post=103039186]

it's a Messianic Psalm about Jesus, and that verse in particular speaking about Jesus.

You’ve suddenly gone quite. Trust you’re doing pretty well. Nevertheless, I await your response on this.

quote author=haddeylium post=103039186]

it's a Messianic Psalm about Jesus, and that verse in particular speaking about Jesus.

I agree that psalm 89 is a messianic psalm. A messianic psalm speaks of the person and works of the Messiah.


However, the fact that it’s a messianic psalm doesn’t imply that every verse or portion of that chapter speaks of the Messiah.


Then, how can one recognize a Messianic psalm?

When there is a reference to the Messiah in a psalm, and it is also applied to Christ and expounded in the New Testament.

Sometimes a whole psalm applies to Christ, e.g., Psalm 22.

Sometimes a paragraph, e.g., Psalm 40:6-10.

Sometimes several verses, e.g., Psalm 69:4, 9, 21. Sometimes a single verse, e.g., Psalm 41:9.

Some of the psalms are occupied entirely with the Person and the thoughts and feelings of our Lord while others clearly refer to the experience of the psalmist, and then there is included an isolated reference to the Messiah.

A good example is Psalm 69 when David exclaims:

“O God, thou knowest my foolishness, and my sins are not hid from Thee,” he obviously is referring to himself (v. 5).

But when he says: “They gave me…gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (v. 21), and these words are applied to Christ in Matthew 27:34, 48, they are clearly Messianic. So we must be careful to distinguish between the spiritual experience of the writer of the psalm and the prophetic reference to Christ Himself.

Then let’s look at Psalm 89 contextually

“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for him forever, And My covenant shall stand firm with him. His seed also I will make to endure forever, And his throne as the days of heaven. “If his sons forsake My law And do not walk in My judgments, If they break My statutes And do not keep My commandments, Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, And their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him, Nor allow My faithfulness to fail. My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips. Once I have sworn by My holiness; I will not lie to David:”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27-35‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Psalm 89 expounds the Davidic covenant fulfilled by David’s greater Son, the Messiah.

It says in verse 29 :

“His seed also I will make to endure forever, And his throne as the days of heaven.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

We both know Christ is David’s seed according to the flesh.

“concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The seed that endures forever is Christ. Whose seed again?

David’s seed.

Therefore, v27 is referring to David and not the messiah.

Case closed!

[quote author=haddeylium post=103022342]That was a prophetic statement unless you mean David 'as king' became preeminence that his descendant king, Jesus Christ(1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16).

How you ignore the lexical sense and context cracks me up
really? you didn't even address that. You just biasedly chose the part that suit your doctrine. The Bible should define the truth not your doctrine.

Consider these various instances and see how doctrines will make you act towards the end.

Matthew 1:25(KJV)- And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
luke 2:7-And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling
Rom 8:29- that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
Hebrews 1:6-But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth
Col 1: 15- the firstborn of all creation;

Thissss

By saying it was prophetic, I assume you meant the scripture was referring to Christ. Isn’t it?

“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


God is speaking here.

He will make David his firstborn

If Jesus is God’s firstborn according to you, then David can’t be God’s firstborn again. Unless you have two firstborns in your family !

There’s therefore only one solution to this unnecessary puzzle.

The use of firstborn in the foregoing is figurative.

It is not literal.

So when you put all of these together, you’ll only arrive at a destination.

David shall be regarded and treated by God as the first-born son is in a family .

That is , with distinguished favor and honor.

He will be accorded the same preeminence bestowed on the firstborn.
Compare Genesis 27:19; Genesis 29:26; Exodus 4:22; Exodus 13:12; Jeremiah 31:9.

He will be the most exalted among kings and rulers. This was entirely fulfilled in David, who occupied a pre-eminence among princes and rulers which no other king did. Most especially, he was the ancestor of the Messiah, the “King of kings, and Lord of lords” .

Any contrary view to this is agonizingly fraudulent!

quote author=haddeylium post=103019871]

Even though the verse is speaking prophetically about Jesus that will foreshadow David(1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16). But, that's not the discuss.
Firstborn is an honoured position of the oldest son of a Father. A Lastborn can be promoted to that position as well.
But, Be it First or Last, what's common to them is 'Born' which is done by been created

You don't need to argue with me when I say ' He is the firstborn of all my children' would you?

I know you wanted to push 'preeminence' in col 1:15 and that's not going to work. I've addressed that part already.
Jesus is said to be 'part of all creation '. Give 'Firstborn' whatever meaning you desired , you will still land the same way.
'He(Lium) is the 'most superior/smartest' of all my children.
This is just basic English, that does not exclude Lium as someone I birthed .
'of all creature' is still part of the creatures

Is David the oldest son of a father?

You’ve still not explain the application of firstborn in the foregoing.

I know it’s not going to work because you won’t make it work.

But if we can just yield to reason, it should work.

quote author=haddeylium post=103018420]

Most people tends to pay attention to what their doctrine says than an actual Bible.

KJV Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
As it is used throughout the scriptures, customary meaning of “firstborn,” indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons.
The grammar used show he is part of creation.The verse uses the genitive , which means part “of” the group it is associated with.

the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies—the firstborn is part of the group.
“The firstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel;
“the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family;
“the firstborn of beast” are themselves animals.
"Firstborn of all creature" is also a creature

Same with begets

Oh, I see. Now tell me, how is firstborn used in the scripture below ?

“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This refers to David. You are not going to tell me this is about Christ.

Surely not!

quote author=haddeylium post=101662136]

The Basic meaning of 'Firstborn' means 'the one who was born first'so, it is used with that sense everywhere in the Bible(more than 30times) and the meaning has always be the same.
So when applied to Jesus, it means exactly the same.
Simply, he's God's first creation (BEGOTTEN)

I like the fact that you used “basic meaning”. That means firstborn could have a secondary meaning. Even the concordance affirms it can be used figuratively.

@Livingchrist

My friend, context is king.

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What does it mean to wink at?

The Greek word is “hupereido”

In this context it means to “take no notice of”

In reading the whole chapter you’ll observe that the Greek had their own way of worshiping the unknown God , bearing the image of an idol.

Obviously , their own way was not the acceptable way.

By saying God winked at the way the Greeks were worshiping God, the author meant God wasn’t taking notice of their manner of worship.

That is, God is not pleased or enticed or carried away by their worship.

Any worship that is not Christ- centered is idolatry , for the father says in one place:

“and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is why he now commands all men everywhere to repent.

What is this repentance?

Believing in the finished work of Christ.

Who is a sinner?

A sinner is not the Christian that commits sin.

Jesus defines sin, and by extension a sinner.

“of sin, because they do not believe in Me;”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So according to Jesus, a sinner is that man who doesn’t believe in His finished work .

What makes this man a sinner is the sin in him.

The sin in him is the rejection of Christ.

This is the unpardonable sin.

This is the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

“Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.”
‭‭John‬ ‭9:41‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The status of the Christian is not in works but faith in the finished work.

“So from now on we regard no one from a human point of view [according to worldly standards and values]. Though we have known Christ from a human point of view, now we no longer know Him in this way.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭AMP‬‬


God bless.

WHY TB JOSHUA DIED A WEEK TO HIS EARTHLY BIRTHDAY

In the supernatural and spiritual realms, there are no Time, Place and Space. The spiritual adepts and those that conduct astral journeys, warlocks, wizards, witches, Satanists and allied know what I am talking about here. When you're asked to make human sacrifices, you must deliver to keep on using the powers in the earthly physical realm. As I disclosed last week, the intercourses between the spiritual, supernatural, and earthly realms are worlds of exchanges. Whatever you approach Satan and the fallen angels to acquire; money, wealth, riches, power, fame, etc, they will deliver to certain degrees, but in exchange, you must give them blood and flesh of humans. Here is how the Holy Bible, the authority on all spiritual and supernatural matters disclosed: "We will certainly do everything we said we would; We will burn incense to the Queen of heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time, we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm" (Jeremiah 44:17). Do you see the demonic transactional exchange here? Satan and demons do not need money, fame, wealth, cars, airplanes, material possessions etc but feed on human flesh and drink human blood. There is ever constant replenishment of the storeroom of human flesh and human blood like food bank kept by Satan and the fallen angels. These Satanic storerooms must not diminish and activities of keeping this human flesh and blood constantly supplied normally peak up in the last quarter of the year starting from the month of September. Every Satanist has horological power to know the time and manner they will be taken out by Satan once they default on their sacrifices. TB Joshua knew that another building would collapse come September this year-in three months' time-if he did not offer the number of human sacrifices contained in the supernatural pact he signed with the demons or in alternative he had to offer himself before June 12, 2021, which was his birthday.
As part of his constant intercourse with the demonic world in exchange for ability to perform miracles, amassed wealth, fame, earthly glory and celebrity status, TB Joshua trafficked in two consanguineous fallen spirits known as Leviathan and Jezebel Both fallen angels are characterized by false miracles, using so-called holy water and sexual intercourse. That is why TB Joshua keeps a ravine deep in the woods where he would go regularly for consultation and engage in deviant sexual activities. He had to do these routinely to maintain the charade going on at Ikotun-Egbe outskirts of Lagos, Nigeria. He could also transfer such demonic powers too to fellow charlatans who came to him, either knowingly or ignorantly. Here is how the Word of Life described Leviathan: "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he-the Lord-shall slay the dragon that is in the sea" (Isaiah 27:1; See also Psalm 74:14, 104:26 and Job 41:1-34). The Holy Bible has plenty to say about the principality known as Jezebel in Revelation 17:1-18: "One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters…"


When some charlatans, wizards, sorcerers, witches, sorceress and the like go to Satan for earthly benefits, they are told to enter into agreements or covenants, but paradoxically Satan writes agreement that only benefit him and his demons. The agreements in human parlance are called agreements of coercion where the humans have no inputs into the terms of the agreements. There are also some fine prints unknown to these ignorant and hoodwinked humans. TB Joshua signed an agreement to routinely offer human sacrifices to Satan and he always kept to this, even offering two presidents of nations in a spate of three months: President Peter Bingu wa Mutharika of Malawi who was one of his clients who died on April 5, 2012, and President John Atta Mills of Ghana who died three months later July 24, 2012. For offering these two high-flying individuals, Satan was pleased with TB Joshua. Then, two years later, Satan the ever-ready slave driver who would never let his slave and captive go free demanded human sacrifices and on September 12, 2014, 115 lives died at SCOAN in Lagos which made world headlines. All manners of reasons were adduced for the casualties but were mere smokescreens. Then this year September 2021, which is just three months away, Satan told TB Joshua more human sacrifices must be shed again. TB Joshua knew that the Lagos State Government still have 111 charges against him for the deaths of 115 people, mostly South Africans. He knew this would be too much and unable to wriggle himself out of an impending disgrace, he decided to offer himself. All these supernatural activities took place last September 2020.

NOW WHAT HAPPENS TO SCOAN AFTER TB JOSHUA? Every structure and properties that TB Joshua amassed from Satan are slated for destruction. I had earlier disclosed in my book that a devastating earthquake would soon sweep everything away at that demonic enclave known as SCOAN, Ejigbo, Lagos, Nigeria and elsewhere TB Joshua planted his demonic footprints. It was TB Joshua that entered a covenant with Satan, and he got all that he asked for as per the terms of the pact with demonic forces. Since he is gone, those stuffs do not belong to his wife, family, or any of those so-called "pastors"-charlatan- he discipled for Satan. His surviving wife, Evelyn, their children and his numerous concubines and other children do not have legitimate right to those wealth and possessions as far as Satan is concerned. Everything, I mean virtually everything will soon be destroyed, Mark my words! The authentic Words of the True Lord God Almighty made this abundantly clear: "When the wicked dies, his expectation comes to nothing; and hope placed in his wealth vanishes" (Proverbs 11:7). In other words, when a wicked person dies like TB Joshua a high-level sorcerer, witch doctor and charlatan, his hope perishes and so also all the wealth and material possessions shall likewise perish. It is a spiritual law. Now to those ignorant, but precious souls that went to TB Joshua for one miracle or the other and purchased his so-called "anointed water or oil" you are playing with your eternal life. Seek a spiritual way out immediately!

quote author=Kobojunkie post=W102214201] Well, this is not a question of "worth" for me. You see, I am simply carrying out my duty as a follower of Jesus Christ, which is to speak His Truth no matter what.

His truth

quote author=Kobojunkie post=102211189] Sure I may be an illiterate, but I at least know one thing that you don't seem to realize and that being that Jesus Christ's teachings is addressed to one group and one group alone.... His only Church. All other churches and groups you form for yourselves are not considered.

Jesus Christ , God's Law, is an agreement between God and individuals, and according to His teachings, the very same laws apply to all who belong to Him regardless of status, race, creed, gender, age, etc... in His Kingdom, there exists no such divisions.

Your so-called fundamental laws of "Bible interpretation" apply only to those who adopt the doctrines and traditions of men in place of the Truth of God as revealed by Jesus Christ. If you didn't even know that to begin with, what is the meaning of your claim to be of God? [

You’re not worth my precious time.

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we repent and be baptized of water.

Who are the “ we “ ?

quote author=Kobojunkie post=102207425] Where do you get this notion that you need to interpret that which is presented you in human language ? All you need is basic comprehension skills...same skills you would use in understanding every day spoken language.

It does not matter here who Jesus Christ when He called for them to repent and be baptized was speaking to, .

I can now see that you’re a Bible illiterate. The Bible addresses three groups of people.

1. Unbelievers
2. Jews
3. The church

Therefore, what is applicable to the church may not be applicable to the Jews, and what is applicable to unbelievers may not be applicable to the Church. This is a fundamental law of Bible interpretation. If you don’t understand basic principles, how then will you understand the mystery of Christ.

It does not matter?

It does matter whom Christ Jesus is speaking to.

[/quote][quote]quote author=Kobojunkie post=102205349] I believe in teachings Backed by the Word of God - that which is attributed to God Himself. And it happens that in this case, what John the Baptist taught is Backed by God's Word in Ezekiel 36 and by Jesus Christ's own teachings - Repent for the Kingdom of God is here and be baptized. This isn't rocket science people.....
Again...

Can you see you’re a juvenile when it comes to Bible interpretation?

Who was Jesus talking to when He said repent and be baptized ?

quote author=Kobojunkie post=102202983] Not according to God, it is not ! Again, Ezekiel 36 vs 24 - 28 reveals that there is a separation between being born of water and being born of Spirit, both of them part of the plan.

Baptism into this body happens when you are physically born... and this according to Jesus Christ in John 3 vs 1 - 21, and there is no Salvation attached to being born in this body.

According to John the Baptist, water baptism is required as a mark revealing one has changed heart and life in obedience to the commandments of God . Matthew 3 vs 7- 11. Your claim that water baptism is done to teach individuals the significance of new birth makes no meaning at all.

Normally I wouldn’t reply to you. The problem with you is that you think you know and to be candid, you know nothing. I usually avoid people like you on NL because there’s nothing meaningful or edifying in your post.

What’s more, your insincerity is incomparable. You believe in the teachings of John the Baptist yet you don’t believe in the teachings of Paul.

Such hypocrisy!

I’ll advise you leave NL for a while. Take a long break, read the Bible from Genesis to revelation so as to receive a lot of revelations. You have so much to learn , but you can only receive with a humble heart.

“And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭NLT‬‬


Water baptism is a picture of immersion into the body of Christ. It’s baptism into this body that saves a man. Water baptism doesn’t save, nor does it change our standing or position in Christ. It was practiced so as to teach sense ruled individuals the significance of the new birth.

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Bible verses: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:



Matthew 3:11 (KJV)



Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.



But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?



Matthew 3:13-14 (KJV)

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:



Matthew 3:16 (KJV)

I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.



And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.



And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:



Mark 1:8-10 (KJV)



Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?



Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.



Luke 3:7-8 (KJV)



Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,



Luke 3:21 (KJV)



Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



John 3:5 (KJV)



And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?



And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.



And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.



Acts 8:36-38 (KJV)



And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.



Acts 18:8 (KJV)



And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.



Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.



When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



Acts 19:3-5 (KJV)



1 Peter 3:21, NLT: "And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Dear one, none of the quoted scriptures endorses or backs your points when interpreted in context. The meaning of a word is defined by context. You really need to understand the word baptism and In the Bible, the word “baptism “ has different applications. It could mean “immersion”.

So then, immersion in what?

It could be immersion in water as in the following texts.

“Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

We know definitely this is referring to water baptism because water is stated in verses 36 and 38.

This is contextual interpretation of scriptures. The same thing in the house of Cornelius in Acts 10.

The subject matter can also be immersed in Christ as in the following.

“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The baptized as used here doesn’t really mean water baptism but baptism into the body of Christ. When a man hears the gospel and he believes, then he is immediately baptized ( immersed in Christ), or becomes born again. This man is saved.

Same as the scripture you quoted above.


“And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Read the above text slowly and carefully and let it sink in. The Apostle says it is not the water that saves you but the baptism. The water is just a picture/shadow/typology of the real thing.

Believing the gospel enables a man to be baptized (immersed) into Christ. Such is now a member of the family of God. He says water only removes dirt from your body.

Yet another meaning or application of baptism or baptism is found in 1 Corinthians 10: 2

“all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭10:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Certainly Moses is not the same as water. The last time i checked, Moses is the name of a person.

So how could the Israelites be baptized into Moses?

Baptized is used figuratively here.

It means they were under the authority or leadership of Moses.

You can clearly see the the meaning or the application of a word is determined by context.

Hope this helps.

The Lord bless you.

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6) It cleanses your sins, lust, old ways etc. You become born again, a new man in Christ and a Child of the Almighty God.

If water baptism cleanses you from sins, lust and the old ways then the blood of Jesus is unnecessary.