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TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER .........

Examining John 20:17

What did Jesus really mean when He uttered those words?

On the surface, it appears Jesus was warning Mary not to touch Him, especially when you read from the KJV

Then the question is why would He not want her to touch Him ?

After all, Jesus allowed some disciples to touch Him about the same time.


“And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Since He allowed Himself to be touched by His disciples, what reason was there for forbidding Mary to touch Him?


There is a misconception.

The misconception is that Jesus warned Mary not to touch Him so as to prevent Him from being defiled before ascending to the Father as our high priest, thereby rendering Him unfit, alluding to Exodus 29:35

Fact is, Mary was already clinging to the saviour when He said those words !


If we look more closely at the Greek construction, we’ll come to the realization that Jesus actually said , “Mary don’t cling to me.”

Present and continuous action



This is why the NKJV and some other versions render it differently

“Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ””
‭‭John‬ ‭20:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“Jesus cautioned her, “Mary, don’t cling to me, for I haven’t yet ascended to God, my Father. And he’s not only my Father and God, but now he’s your Father and your God! Now go to my brothers and tell them what I’ve told you, that I am ascending to my Father—and your Father, to my God—and your God!””
‭‭John‬ ‭20:17‬ ‭TPT‬‬


“Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:17‬ ‭AMPC‬‬


““Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’””
‭‭John‬ ‭20:17‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Thus, it’s obvious the emotional Mary went beyond touching our Lord and Saviour but actually clinged to Him.

Apparently, by holding on to Him, she was trying to prevent Him from leaving her again.

“My Lord, you left us three days ago. You can’t just leave again. Please stay, “ she seemed to be saying .

Hear the Master’s implied response:

“Mary, i have not yet ascended to the Father. I’m still here bodily. You’ll be afforded many more opportunities to see me bodily. Forty more days, Mary . More or less . Forty more days in which i shall remain on earth so that my disciples can enjoy my presence. Afterwards, you’ll not see me again bodily. After this resurrection comes my ascension. Meanwhile, there’s something i want you to do for me. Go to the brethren and inform them that I’ve risen, and also tell them that I’ll ascend . Stop clinging to me and do this immediately.”


Jesus was not a levitical high priest, neither was He a direct descendant of Aaron. He was (and ever is) a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

He has nothing to do with the duties of the earthly high priest. Mary was simply being told not to cling to Him because He was still here, not having ascended to the Father.



He died

He rose

He ascended

Behold He lives forevermore

Hallelujah!

“Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

AND AS IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE , BUT AFTER THIS THE JUDGEMENT.

A CLOSER LOOK AT HEBREWS 9:27

“26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If the body of Christ would read the Bible the same way, then there wouldn’t be many divisions, and by extension, there wouldn’t be diverse doctrines and denominations.

How much revelations and clarity would the church receive if only the Bible is read together and in context!

To understand a single verse in the Bible, one may need to read the entire book.

The book of Hebrews was written to Jewish believers who felt drawn back to the traditions of Judaism.

One of these traditions was the endless and needless animal sacrifices offered for the atonement of sin, which couldn’t take away sin and perfect the worshippers. These repeated sacrifices reminded them that they were still in sin’s grip.

But thanks be to Christ who has given us victory!

Christ’s ONE sacrifice does not need to be repeated because we’ve been redeemed once for all.

“By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Having this background information, we can then proceed to do an exegesis on the text.

Note that the Bible doesn’t say it is appointed unto every man once to die....,
which suggests that every man has an appointment with death and when he dies, he faces God’s judgment to determine his fate.

This scripture has always been misapplied to support the irrevocability of man’s fate after death. This is so far from the truth as the writer meant something else.

It says AND as it is appointed unto men once to die....

Huge difference.


The second sentence means because it is appointed unto men, Christ was offered to die ONCE. Since men had to die ONCE, Christ was made to die once to take their place , so that He doesn’t have to do it repeatedly like the animals were being sacrificed repeatedly.

The “and” in verse 27 and the “so” in verse 28 means the writer is drawing from an existing truth to present his points.

If the whole text is carefully read, one would see he wasn’t referring to physical death or transition, but the state of man outside Christ.

The kind that happened in Genesis.

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This sin brought death and judgment

“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Here’s the good news;

Christ took the place of man and die ONCE.

As men die ONCE and face judgment because of sin, so Christ died once to take away the judgment of sin.

“Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭NKJV

In summary, as men died once ( through Adam) to face judgment, Christ also died ONCE ( and for all) to bear the sins of humanity and the judgment.

Christ our substitute.

Praise God!

quote author=Ken4Christ post=112291109]

Prosperity is sure biblical. It depends on the way it is presented and the motive behind the person teaching it.

Jesus taught prosperity. He said;

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
[quote][/quote]Did Jesus mention money in this verse? Read the entire chapter again to understand the context

MONEY (DOES NOT)
ANSWER ALL THINGS

“A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭10:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is money the solution to all of life’s problems?

The foregoing seems to suggest so.

But then, there were many billionaires that passed on as a result of some debilitating and incurable ailments.

Their money couldn’t save them.

So really ,money doesn’t answer to all of life’s issues.

Seems the writer of Ecclesiastes doesn’t know what he’s talking about then.

Not really.

Reading the verse in context gives a better understanding.

Notice “things” in the verse is italicized.

When a word is italicized in the Bible, it means it wasn’t in the original text, but was added by the translators, either to complete a sentence or to give their own interpretation.

The original text is then:


“A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all .

This makes it clear. It’s even clearer if the “all” is replaced with “both”.


“A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth both.

There are two things that money answers to in this verse.

The feast and the wine.

So the writer is saying you need money for the feast and the wine. That is, money answers all of ‭‭these.

Without money you can’t throw a feast .

Without money you can’t buy wine.

Shalom!

quote author=AntiChristian post=112075934]

Jesus emphasized faith and works just as James did. Paul on the hand was different. Paul doesn't believe in works at all but grace.

When Jesus met the rich man who asked about eternal life, the first thing Jesus commanded was to obey the commandments.

This is work.

Paul doesn’t believe in works?!!!

Lord have mercy!

You must have been reading the Bible with Muhammad-tinted glasses

I agree with Freeze on this. Jesus couldn’t have died on Friday and resurrected on a Sunday. That’s not three days and three nights.

quote author=Uprightness100 post=111936096][i]Irrespective of how the world changes, The WORD of GOD will not Change because of a Changing World.

Being a Christian, Gospel musician, Pastor, Prayer machine, Bishop or whatever does not Exempt you from Disater if you go outside GOD'S will or GOD'S plan. Once you choose your own way, it does not Matter who you are, you will face the Consequences.

These are the Facts of Marriage from the Word of GOD.

GOD'S Standard of marriage is One man one wife.

GOD Hates Divorce. If you happen to come to a point where you say your spouse has done this or that and you cannot Forgive or you are going, you must understand that remarrying Under anyguise is fornication and Adultery.

Only Death Permits one to remarry. Any other remarry is Immorality, Fornication and Adultery.

GOD is the Institutor of Marriage. Conciously involve GOD in your Choice of Partner. If you are Honest with GOD, HE will Direct u. GOD speaks! GOD leads! GOD directs.
If your don't hear GOD, better not to marry.

On what scripture is this based on?


I mean remarrying under any guise is fornication and adultery , and that only death permits one to remarry .

Where’s that in the Bible?

quote author=AntiChristian post=110406913

Christ means anointed.

Obviously you’ve not given the meaning of the word “anointed “. We all know that Jesus was anointed. What does it mean to be anointed ? I meant the verb form .

quote author=AntiChristian post=110354626
Yes, Jesus was the Messiah! But that depends on what you mean by the term "Messiah"! Messiah means "anointed"

Every Prophet was a Messiah but the term was just commonly used for Jesus.

1. Messiah was used by Yahweh for King Cyrus who was a disbeliever in Him
In Isaiah 45:1 we read: This is what YAHWEH says to Cyrus His Messiah, whose right hand I have grasped to subdue nations before him, to disarm kings, to open the doors before him, so that the gates will not be shut:

Anointed in Greek is "Christos" translated Christ!

So Jesus is Christ the Messiah as many were Christos before him and after him.

What does the word “anointed” mean to you?

quote author=Kobojunkie post=106311938] This is also wrong!

1. In John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ referred instead to the process of becoming born-again as requiring both a water rebirth and a spiritual birth

■ Water birth refers to baptism by water which all those who are saved are required to undergo to marl a change in life and heart according to the teachings of John the Baptist- Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 , a teaching we also see in Ezekial 36 vs 25 - 27 where God in fact states that we will will washed with pure water to clear us of past idols and ills.

■ spiritual birth aka born of Spirit (Spirit here not to be confused with the Spirit of God which I earlier did) as Jesus Christ explains in John 3 vs 1-8, parallels the physical birth which is the only birth all humans experience up until the point of salvation - humans don't possess spirits until salvation has come.

When a person is born of Spirit, he/she acquires a new spirit just as God explains in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

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Now as for the mention of Grace and Truth in John 1 vs 17, grace refers to the eternal Life which Jesus Christ is, and Truth of God who Jesus Christ also is.

The heretical nutcase is at it again

The rule is also applicable to grace and truth


“For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Grace and truth are not two different concepts.

It means grace which is truth.

quote author=Harshirama post=106103325]This guy loves Christianity so much he spends day and night researching. Maybe God will use you eventually.

He’s evidently fascinated by Christianity but still hold on to a lie. He’s desperately seeking for conviction and reassurance so that he can cross to the truth.

quote author=AntiChristian post=106072256]

But you haven't commented on which translation of the verse is most accurate and why?

There is nothing like the most accurate translation

The best translation is the one that makes you grow

quote author=AntiChristian post=106061715]1Samuel 13:1 - Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Evangelists, Pastors, Missionaries, and Bishops will not stop telling us that the Bible is the word of God. When we study the Bible carefully, we will discover that this is the greatest blasphemy of all time.

First of all, the Bible is not the word of God

Yes, it’s not.

The Bible is a document containing the word of God.

The word of God is a person

The Bible reveals the word of God

That is, the word of God (Jesus) is revealed when the Bible is read with understanding.

Meditate on that.

quote author=Barristter07 post=106003227]

Son of man is a term applying to Human beings whose life reside in the blood. Ezekiel was called that name too, he was human with blood, when Jesus was on Earth he bear that name as human with blood.

The problem is Some of you want to say Jesus is still son of man but you also don't want him to have blood. Totally unbiblical.

Your claim would have made sense if you admitted he still have blood in heaven.

Was Ezekiel referred to as son of man or the son of man?

quote author=Tohsynetita1 post=105500316]It's almost a year I was almost brainwashed by the teaching of this church. Please, anyone here had same issue or heard about them should narrate his or her ordeal.

Interesting!

Please go ahead and share your experience

quote author=SilasIBB post=105764795]Op,

When the prayers of Grace becomes needless, Your lives become valueless. You can never survive with faith and righteousness alone. Grace not to miss Heaven is Grace to stay concious about Heaven till that time. May the SPIRIT speak to you

God already gave us the grace not to miss heaven in His son, Christ Jesus

quote author=AntiChristian post=105730419]

One thing I noticed with you guys is the too much emphasis placed on Jesus.
Why is a sign not equivalent to miracle in Jesus'case?

Noah was given the Prophecy of a sign of the flood.

Moses too separated the red sea. Why didn't these point to their resurrection?

And if Jesus said nothing will be given to them of signs except the sign of Prophet Jonah, was Jonah's experience not also a sign of his disobedience and miracle too?

Jesus said no sign will be given.
Jesus said only the sign of Jonah will be given.
Yet Jesus gave many signs and wonders!

Of course we will place much emphasis on Jesus because the Bible is all about Him.

Have you not read, that in a certain place He says the scriptures testify of Him ?

I know you have a good understanding of the Bible. Even better than the quaran.

Yet you failed to see something significant in the miracle of the bread and fishes.

The people have just witnessed a miracle . Yet Jesus said they didn’t see the sign.

Why didn’t He say that they have not seen a miracle?

You know why?

Because they evidently saw the miracle.

Common sense shows that a miracle in this context is not the same as a miracle.

Learn the use of words.

quote author=AntiChristian post=105716413]

A sign in this contexts is an approval that shows a superior power from God. Yeah, it means miracle in this context.

A sign is not always the same as a miracle, at least not in this context .

A miracle is any supernatural occurrence but a sign is the miracle’s significance or hidden meaning. It is what or who the miracle points to.

A sign is a miracle’s reality. Every miracle that Jesus performed in the Bible pointed to His resurrection or Him being the long awaited messiah.


“when the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they also got into boats and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:24, 26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The multiplication of the bread and consequently the feeding of the multitude was a miracle.

However, the people failed to realize the sign behind the miracle which was so they could see that He was the bread that came down from heaven.

“For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:33‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The bread the people ate could only nourish the body but the bread that came down from heaven gives life to the human spirit.

“And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:35-36‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So the people couldn’t see beyond eating of the bread.

Now to the quoted text


“Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:38-40‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Notice what Jesus said.

He didn’t say no miracles will be given to them, as He performed many miracles afterwards. He said no sign.

That is, He would not perform any miracle for the reason of showmanship, or any other reason apart from making the people to see that He was the Christ.

I hope this helps.

quote author=AntiChristian post=105707051]

And this proves that the only sign he showed to them was the sign of Jonah right?

No sign will be given or only sign of Jonah will be given?

Let me ask you these questions :

What is a sign?

Is a sign different from a miracle , or are they one and the same?

quote author=judemurphy post=105507477]Please, I have a question bothering my mind for a long time now,does speaking in tongues guarantee you a place in heaven or you can be speaking in tongues and still go to hell

Hi there , let’s find out from God’s word.

“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

First, you speak in tongue because the Holy Spirit is in you. You receive this gift after you believe.


“And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So it’s a sign that you’re a believer.

The Apostles called it the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So it’s also a gift


You’re sealed with the Holy Spirit. This means your situation is irreversible.

SEALED!!!

The Holy Spirit is a mark of ownership.

It means you belong to the Father forever.

You know where God’s people dwell, don’t you?

HEAVEN.

“The Elder, To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth, because of the truth [/b]which abides in us and will be with us [b]forever:”
‭‭II John‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So His presence in you is a guarantee that you belong to Him, a sort of down payment, and an assurance that He’ll come for you at the resurrection.

This is God’s word. You can always rely on it because He doesn’t lie.

Remain blessed!

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=105282167]Not necessarily.

If God wants you to go to church and you don't, you're acting in disobedience, and that displeases God.

So whether going to church or not, ensure that it aligns with God's plan and direction for you.

In my own case, it was God that told me to leave the last church I was a member of. It was hard because i was an important member of the church, but I had to obey because I didn't, I would suffer the consequence of being disobedient to God, so even if I pleased men, God wouldn't be pleased with me which is the most important thing.

Moreover the church is no longer what it used to, so that has also affected the importance of attending church, as it hardly serves it purpose.

One thing I've observed is that several of those who God was preparing for His end time move were not church members. It appears that since the church has derailed, that it's important to separate them from the church, so He could used them to help the church and get them back on track.

That's a similar method He used in the respect of Moses, Elijah, Elisha, John the baptist, and some others. They were separate from the people God wanted to use them to restore them.

God bless.

I completely agree with you on this. The Lord also told me to leave the church i attended for about five years. It was an easy choice for me to make because the last two years i spent there was hellish due to the pollution of the atmosphere. Going to church suddenly became mechanical.

Concerning the end time move of God, the process has already started. The old guard will be replaced by a new set of vibrant leaders filled with the accurate knowledge of the word of God and the Spirit. I was wondering why the old guard couldn’t exist together with the new breed. The Lord said.....


The old will persecute the new!

quote author=Mercychen post=105278820]

Romans 5:12-21
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.



Here lies your answer.

You’ve not answered the question . How does any of the foregoing substantiate your submission?

quote author=Mercychen post=105278047]

You are too hasty in quoting people without first comprehending.

How else do you want it explained to you again?

Op, asked if those who died without hearing the gospel will be condemned and he told him that it's not because they didn't hear the gospel that brought condemnation upon them but that mankind as a whole has been long condemned to hell as a result of Adams sin. So it's not lack of knowledge of the gospel now but what Adam did that will determine their end.

In other words, those who died under the curse before Jesus ( who's also the gospel) came will not make it and that was why God had to quickly send his son to redeem us (mankind) from that curse otherwise everyone was doomed for hell.

Thank God for Jesus.

On what scripture(s) is/are your submission based on?

quote author=palsenator post=104968142]
This was a response to someone's post and I felt I should share with everyone for educational purposes..

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Let me precise:
* Sonship is beyond biological birth. Sometimes it denotes the fact that you are very pleased with someone. Obviously His birth was supernatural as described in your Quran and The Father was pleased to call him son.. Before His birth He was called Emmanuel , Peacemaker etc. So calling JESUS His soul only described how it pleased the Father because He is an expression of God Himself.
* If salvation had come with no price and mark, then how do you express it? It's like saying you should love without expression.. Then it's useless. He designed it that way for His Glory and the precious blood was shed to mark the beginning of Grace era and I tell you candidly now that what you call ritualistic is not in Christianity of today.We are under GRACE NOW.
* Whether in Christianity or Islam or Judaism , all your God and gods killed so don't make it a Christian thing. Now to answer you, God has feelings , He understands feelings, He understands disobedience, and He understands betrayal. He has the right to kill whosoever He desires to kill anytime He feels the need.. His reasons can never be questioned. Even man made gods kill.
* Jesus is God's expression of Love for mankind hence He is God. You Quran justified His eminence and awesomeness and called Him Son Of Mary with no reference to any biological father.
Quran 3: 55 stated that The followers of Jesus ( Christians ) shall be made superior to those people like you who disbelieve Him .
The Quran supported the fact that He conceived of a Spirit.
John Chapter 1 called Him WORD OF GOD ... Do you know that you are your word? Either in physical or spiritual, you are responsible for all spoken words without necessarily acting out... If that applies to man, then God's WORD IS SUPERIOR...
TRINITY IS A WRONG WORD... WE DON'T HAVE THREE GOD IN ONE
WHAT WE SERVE AND WORSHIP IS ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS ( THE WAY HE WANTED TO EXPRESS HIMSELF ).
JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND EXPRESSIONS OF OUR HEAVENLY FATHER HENCE HE IS GOD.

Maybe i don’t get you ......... Are you trying to say that Jesus is the same person as God the Father?

quote author=efeteb post=105056256]Once saved always saved is not correct. Judas Iscariot was once saved, at the last minute he fast track the process of his destruction.
There is Temporary and Permanent Salvation. ''He that endures to the end'' is the key to permanent salvation.

How did you know Judas was saved?

quote author=jesusjnr2020 post=101889440]Which Grace Gospel Do You Preach? Christ's Or The Antichrist?

If it emphasizes the works of righteousness as that of Christ did, then it is Christ's Gospel of Grace.

But if it undermines the works of righteousness of which Christ's Gospel of grace emphatically stressed, then it's the Antichrist gospel of grace.

For Christ emphasized the importance of the works of righteousness in one's gaining salvation and eternal life, and since Christ is the Grace of God, His Gospel could fittingly be called the Gospel of Grace.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 7:23 (KJV)

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41-43 (KJV)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Hence Christ left nothing to doubt in His teachings about how essential the works of righteousness to any man attaining salvation. And before His departure from the Earth He gave instructions to His disciples to teach all men His Gospel of Grace which emphasized the importance of works so that they would observe it.

Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV)

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However there's another gospel of grace being preached today by many who claim to be followers of Jesus, despite that it clearly contradicts Christ's teachings by undermining the same works of righteousness which His own Gospel of Grace emphasizes, hence it's aptly called the antichrist' gospel of grace.

Because this grace gospel goes contrary to teachings of Christ, and undermines the works of righteousness which Christ's Gospel of grace stressed emphatically, it has consequently made iniquity to abound in the church, and sent a lot of Christians to hell.

Therefore do not be deceived to think the antichrist gospel which undermines the works of righteousness is the Grace Gospel of Christ, just because it is brought to men in the deceptive clothing of "grace".

It is not Gospel of Grace according to Christ who is the Grace of God, because Christ teachings emphasized the works of righteousness!

It is the Antichrist' grace gospel which has nothing to do with Christ the Grace of God, as it didn't emanate from Him but of men.

God bless.

If we truly valued Christ’s sacrifice , we would not cheapen it by adding our own

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As expected you cannot honestly answer the question. Reason is obvious.
Was Timothy living in sin? The answer is No!
Was Titus living in sin? NO!
Therefore, the prayer in this portion and others you quoted before was not meant for those in bondage of sin in the church, but for those who have overcome sin as they themselves have overcame....

2Timothy 4v18: The Lord will deliver me from every evil deed and will bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever! Amen

It is a lie and unfortunate that many pastors are teaching their members that Jesus had finished everything and nail their sins to the cross. That makes them continue to indulge in sin, and will only pray for forgiveness.

It seems you’re getting the whole thing wrong and it’s because of your sin consciousness.

People sin in church today because they want to sin.

There’s no particular message that’s responsible for that.

Would you jump into the Atlantic Ocean because someone suggested it?

Quit all these baseless theories that a particular message would give christians license to sin.

Like Kenneth Hagin once said, people don’t need a license to sin, they have been sinning from the beginning.

Ask yourself, what message made Adam sin?

Once saved always saved, right?

I bet you know

The question is, how is a man saved?

The obvious answer is that a man is saved when he believes the gospel in his heart.

This is what the Bible teaches

What is this gospel?

It’s the death and resurrection of Jesus

Anything outside of this is heretic

You can not add anything to it otherwise it becomes the unfinished work of Christ.

We preach this because Christ commands us to do so.


“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is different from spiritual growth

As the believer grows in the knowledge of Christ, he progressively comes into the consciousness of Christ’s victory over sin.

Thereafter, he begins to live in the reality

Telling a man to stop sinning will only multiply the sin.

Rather let him know what Christ has done.

The passion of Christ will overwhelm him and the unsearchable riches of His grace will consume every desire that’s contrary to His will.

This is the message

This is the gospel

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According to the op, believing in Jesus alone guarantees your salvation.... What is your position on that?

My position is the same as op

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Yes

How so?

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My question was based on this concept of believe in Jesus only and you are saved.

Do you have a problem with that?