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[quote author=AntiChristian post=90142210]2. The Bible calls Jesus son of God and he has another father in heaven. So how is the son = to the father? In addition to the above, you must also understand that the title "Son of God" doesn't mean someone born of God, or God's "pikin". It actually means God in human form. In that sense, it means Jesus is God. It doesn't mean that Jesus is the offspring of God. This truth is clearly explained in John 10:30-36 I and the Father are one. John 10:30 (NASB) The Greek word that Jesus used for “one” is eis. That is Jesus said that He was the Father and the Father was Himself. He referred to the concept of the trinity. Both the Old and New Testament teach that God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19). Now notice the response of the religious leaders. They understood that He claimed to be God. The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” (NASB) John 10:33 So Jesus responded to the Jews with this comment, . . . do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, “You are blaspheming,” because I said, “I am the Son of God”? (NASB) John 10:36 Jesus apparently had said He was the “Son of God.” The Jews understood this term to be a claim of deity. They understood that Jesus had declared He was God. Therefore, they accused Jesus of blasphemy. They knew Jesus was claiming to be God. That is the meaning of the “Son of God.” The phrase “Son of God” means God. |
[quote author=Acehart post=90155071]1. Allah created death so he is far above dying! Your own Jesus was killed by his father who is himself. A: Romans 8:3: “For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he (Christ) condemned sin in the flesh.” If we are unable to fulfill the law, then we will be punished by it. But, since God desires us to be saved, the law must be satisfied. Since we cannot keep the law and the law must be satisfied, the only One capable of keeping the law must keep the law: The Sinless One, Christ/Allah Himself: 2 Corinthians 5:21: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us” Only flesh can die. Since God is omnipotent, the power to transform into the flesh isn’t difficult. To show that He is transformed into man, He must die - for all men must die. To show that He is all-powerful, He must overcome His creation - death. Acts 2:24: But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. Death can not hold down its creator - Christ/Allah. 2. The Bible calls Jesus son of God and he has another father in heaven. So how is the son = to the father? A. Meaning of Title, “Son of God”: Servant of God, Messenger of God, Just-like God, The Right-hand of God, One-of the Godhead, Begotten (Came our from the midst) of the Godhead, Messiah of God, Angel of God, The King of the Godhead, The Anointed One of the GodHead. Meaning of Father: The Progenitor, The Master, The Teacher, God, Privileged status of the adult son and heir, The Exalted one, The Head of the Family, Strong Leader, Protector of the House. John 10:28-30, 37-38: “I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one. If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." Notice: what the Father can do, the Son do - no one can snatch anything out of their hands. Both give eternal life. Notice: The Father is in the Son, and The Son is in the Father. Notice the meaning of “Father”: The Son bears those Titles too. Notice: the meaning of Son, it means titles not the hereditary position men give their children. The Father is the Son, and the Son is the Father. Yet, the two of them are co-independent. 3. Jesus evidently doesn't know the hour of judgement. He is not omniscient despite all the miracles and the "purported sins" you claim he forgave. On the contrary God is Omniscient all the time. He is able to do all things. A. God knows everything (1 John 3:20). God knows himself and all things exhaustively, eternally, and unchangeably. He knows his own perfections, plans, actions, and goals (Ps. 147:5; Isa. 46:10; Acts 15:18). He knows the billions of angels in light (Dan. 7:10), every corner of hell (Prov. 15:11), all of our sins (Ps. 69:5), every hidden thought (Ps. 139:2), every ounce of our suffering (Ps. 56: . He proves his deity by infallibly knowing the past, present, and future, including all possibilities and contingent events (1 Sam. 23:10–13; Matt. 11:21), from the tiniest detail (Matt. 10:29–30) to the fact and timing of our salvation (Rom. 8:29; 2 Tim. 1:9). As the eternal Son of the Father, Jesus Christ possesses the fullness of deity, including the attribute of omniscience (Phil. 2:6; John 21:17).How, then, are we to reconcile the comprehensiveness of Jesus’s divine knowledge with Matthew 24:36, where the divine Son of God declares to his disciples that there is something he didn’t know? The answer lies in His humanity. The Bible says, He grew in knowledge. Why? He was primarily appointed on behalf of men (Hebrews 5:1). As a man, then, the Son “increased in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52). And like any human being after the fall, he became hungry (Matt. 4:2), grew tired (John 4:6), felt distress (Matt. 26:38), and, yes, was amazed at what he learned (Matt. 8:10; Luke 7:9; Mark 6:6; cf. Luke 2:46). Jesus could only have experienced such changes in his human nature. Part of the limitation of this Messenger of God was the limit of His message.. “The divine Son was ignorant of the day of his return,” even as we affirm that the divine Son knows everything (John 21:17). Why? The context of Matthew 24 reveals that Jesus’s declaration in verse 36 is designed to restrain our vain curiosity, to bind us to his Word, and to stir us up to be vigilant and eager to meet our Lord face-to-face (Matt. 24:42, 44; 25:13, 46). Yet, God’s Word tells us all we need to know about Christ’s return. He will come from heaven, on clouds, in the flesh, with glory and power, suddenly, visibly, audibly, at the end of the world, with angels and saints at his side, as Christians rejoice and unbelievers weep at his sight. 4. The first and last is Allah alone. Jesus was praying to someone from your Bible. Who was he praying to? Is that person the second and penultimate? A: 2 Corinthians 12:9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Why do the weak pray to the Almighty? Was Christ weak? He does not mean his sinful weakness (those we have reason to be ashamed of and grieved at), but he means his afflictions, his reproaches, necessities and persecutions. Paul prays to God (Father) just as Christ prayed and no one bore the brunt of antagonism Christ faced more than Paul. So, Christ/Allah had to come in flesh as man so that He must feel every weakness man’s feels, for Him to be qualified as a perfect intercessor for man (Hebrews 4:14-15) and also that He may deal kindly with man (Hebrews 5:2). Hence, He prayed for power to endure and for the power of God to manifest. For example, when The Son prayer to the Father on the Cross, did the Father manifest? Greatly! The sun lost its light for three hours, The graves were open and dead bodies were seen, the sanctity of the earthly temple was destroyed in an earthquake, there was no celebration of the Feast etc. This is a Christian paradox: when we are weak in ourselves, then we are strong in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ; when we see ourselves weak in ourselves, then we go out of ourselves to Christ, and are qualified to receive strength from him, and experience most of the supplies of divine strength and grace. - This was the grace He sought. Your questions 5-7 have been answered above. Thanks brother. 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While you're at that, it may interest you to know that your Quaran calls God, the first and the last. As a matter of fact, “The first and the last” are two of your Allah’s 99 names in your Quaran. He is the first and the last and the Ascendant over all and the knower of hidden things, ..............Surah 57:3 Also, in the Bible, we read : “Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6 KJV So both the Bible and the Quaran call God the first and the last. Then Jesus, whom you claim to be a prophet, calls Himself the first and the last. “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” Revelation 1:17-18 KJV So how would a "mere prophet" take upon himself, a title attributed to God alone, if indeed he is not God? |
Your Quaran agrees that it is only God that can forgive sins. And those who, when they commit a foul deed or wrong themselves, remember ALLAH and implore forgiveness for their sins- and who can forgive sins except ALLAH - and who not knowingly persist in what they do - Surah 3:135 In two separate incidents, Jesus forgave sins. “And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?” Luke 7:48-49 KJV Yet again, “When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)” Mark 2:5-10 KJV Thus, both the Bible and the Quaran declare that it's only God that can forgive sins. Now the question is, should an "ordinary Prophet" lay claim to the forgiveness of sins? |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90122301][b]So where is Jesus in the Picture? Haba, Mr. antichristian. I've already shown you Jesus in the picture na. Go through the thread again. |
And then this: He is the first and the last and the Ascendant over all and the Knower of hidden things,............”Surah 57:3 |
[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=90013851][quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89991448 Now compare what you posted with this: And those who, when they commit a foul deed or wrong themselves, remember ALLAH and implore forgiveness for their sins- and who can forgive sins except ALLAH - and who not knowingly persist in what they do - Surah 3:135 |
Apart from Ali Baba, Antichristian has got to be my favourite stand up comedian. He has probably gone into hiding again. The same way he abandoned the thread on Jesus being a prophet of Allah. ![]() |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=89928485]Matthew 21:46 New International Version They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet. New Living Translation They wanted to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowds, who considered Jesus to be a prophet. English Standard Version And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet. Berean Study Bible Although they wanted to arrest Him, they were afraid of the crowds, because the people regarded Him as a prophet. Berean Literal Bible And seeking to lay hold of Him, they feared the crowds, because they were holding Him as a prophet. New American Standard Bible When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. New King James Version But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet. King James Bible But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. Christian Standard Bible Although they were looking for a way to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because the people regarded him as a prophet. Contemporary English Version So they looked for a way to arrest Jesus. But they were afraid to, because the people thought he was a prophet. Good News Translation so they tried to arrest him. But they were afraid of the crowds, who considered Jesus to be a prophet. Holman Christian Standard Bible Although they were looking for a way to arrest Him, they feared the crowds, because they regarded Him as a prophet. International Standard Version Although they wanted to arrest him, they were afraid of the crowds, who considered Jesus to be a prophet. NET Bible They wanted to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowds, because the crowds regarded him as a prophet. New Heart English Bible When they sought to seize him, they feared the crowds, because they considered him to be a prophet. Aramaic Bible in Plain English And they sought to seize him and they were afraid of the crowds, because they were holding him as a Prophet. GOD'S WORD® Translation They wanted to arrest him but were afraid of the crowds, who thought he was a prophet. New American Standard 1977 And when they sought to seize Him, they feared the multitudes, because they held Him to be a prophet. King James 2000 Bible But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. American King James Version But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. American Standard Version And when they sought to lay hold on him, they feared the multitudes, because they took him for a prophet. Douay-Rheims Bible And seeking to lay hands on him, they feared the multitudes: because they held him as a prophet. Darby Bible Translation And seeking to lay hold of him, they were afraid of the crowds, because they held him for a prophet. English Revised Version And when they sought to lay hold on him, they feared the multitudes, because they took him for a prophet. Webster's Bible Translation But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. Weymouth New Testament but though they were eager to lay hands upon Him, they were afraid of the people, for by them He was regarded as a Prophet. World English Bible When they sought to seize him, they feared the multitudes, because they considered him Young's Literal Translation and seeking to lay hold on him, they feared the multitudes, [b]seeing they were holding him as a prophet. The one that twists and quotes Bible verses out of context is the father of lies and insincerity. |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90077030]You should check yourself for insincerity and lies! You brought what the Qur'an didn't say here. Is lying a virtue? Oh, I see. Please post what the Quaran says in those chapters and verses for all to see. Surah 57:3 and Surah 3:135 |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90038532]Then Jesus, whom you claim to be a prophet, calls Himself the first and the last. The Bible can say whatever but from the Qur’an Allah is the Lord and Creator of Maryam and her son Jesus. The Bible can say whatever, yet you quoted this same Bible to support your false claims. If you must pick parts of the Bible, shouldn't you pick all of the Bible. Why the cherry picking? I can sense insincerity here. |
[quote author=spartan117 post=89411160]I don't have a favorite translation. I have many translations which I compare when I'm studying the word in order to get a better understanding. I sometimes use the original Greek Bible to find out the real meaning of some words used in certain context. This is because I've come to find out that English is limited and may not be able to capture the ideal translation of a word in certain scenarios. You nailed it, brother |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90015688]Sorry, that comment wasn't for you. Jesus doesn't qualify to fit in for Allaah in the Qur'an. I don't want to start calling you a liar. Jesus called himself the slave of Allah in Qur'an 19:30. Mind what you post. I qouted both the Bible and Quaran. I'm still waiting for solid answers. Please don't evade this. |
[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=78772426]The Deadly Doctrine of "Don't Judge Me" When Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged," He wasn't saying not to judge. He was saying, take the log out of your eye first before you tell your brother to take the log out of his eye. Elsewhere, He commands us to judge righteously. Here is a tragic story of how "don't judge" is a deadly concept: http://reasonsforjesus.com/the-deadly-doctrine-of-dont-judge-me/ I totally agree with this |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90015688]Sorry, that comment wasn't for you. Jesus doesn't qualify to fit in for Allaah in the Qur'an. I don't want to start calling you a liar. Jesus called himself the slave of Allah in Qur'an 19:30. Mind what you post. Well, He surely didn't call Himself a slave in the Bible . Moreover, I don't know what you mean by minding what I post. Is what i quoted missing in your own Quaran? |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=89989082]Jesus did more than Muhammad and that's why Christianity is used as the law in Israel the birth country of Jesus today. Infact Christians owns Israel. Anyways, the ''word'' in John 1:1 is not Jesus Christ. It's a figment of your scholars translations. And Thomas called Jesus lord and god, not Lord and God as you claim. Keep arguing with your keyboard While you're at that, it may interest you to know that your Quaran calls God, the first and the last. As a matter of fact, “The first and the last” are two of your Allah’s 99 names in your Quaran. He is the first and the last and the Ascendant over all and the knower of hidden things, ..............Surah 57:3 Also, in the Bible, we read : “Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6 KJV So both the Bible and the Quaran call God the first and the last. Then Jesus, whom you claim to be a prophet, calls Himself the first and the last. “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” Revelation 1:17-18 KJV So how would a "mere prophet" take upon himself, a title attributed to God alone, if indeed he is not God? |
[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=89991448 You obviously and deliberately failed to answer this, Mr. Antichrist. Nevertheless, I'll modify it so I can properly get my point across. Your Quaran agrees that it is only God that can forgive sins. And those who, when they commit a foul deed or wrong themselves, remember ALLAH and implore forgiveness for their sins- and who can forgive sins except ALLAH - and who not knowingly persist in what they do - Surah 3:135 In two separate incidents, Jesus forgave sins. “And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?” Luke 7:48-49 KJV Yet again, “When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)” Mark 2:5-10 KJV Thus, both the Bible and the Quaran declare that it's only God that can forgive sins. Now the question is, should an "ordinary Prophet" lay claim to the forgiveness of sins? |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=90004086]But did Jesus ever call himself God directly in any of his speeches? It's not hard to say "I am God" to people right? Did Jesus ever call Himself a prophet? |
In two separate incidents, Jesus forgave sins. “And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?” Luke 7:48-49 KJV Yet again, “And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.” Matthew 9:2-3 KJV Now tell me, who has the power to forgive sins but God? |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=89988867]So the father God was calling his son God right? So Making two separate Gods! Add the Holy Spirit it makes three Gods. And do you have any problem with that? |
Even God himself calls Jesus Christ God “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” Hebrews 1:8 KJV |
[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=89885322]God is a God of Love and Justice. Justice must be seen to be done. What is the justice of God? Second, how is justice, with respect to God different from vengeance? |
[quote author=Janosky post=89832935]Jesus Christ says it's NOT enough to know only Jesus , something else is required. John 14:1. John 17:3. Shalom “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” John 14:9 NKJV Nothing else is required . Knowing Jesus is knowing the Father. That's simple enough! |
Pastor Poju Oyemade couldn't have responded to Bishop Oyedepo because Pastor Poju spoke before Bishop Oyedepo. You can check Pastor Poju's Instagram handle to confirm that. So there was no argument between the two. |
[quote author=davidinchrist post=89696884]It's better to get our truths balanced, so as not continue to live in a self-made world of delusion: NKJV John.5.14 - Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin NO MORE, lest a WORSE thing come upon you." John.8.11 - She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; GO and SIN NO more." When Jesus told the disciples that He wouldn't leave them comfortless, He was speaking from His heart and meant every word. When He assigned a particular task to the disciples, He equipped them with power and authority to cast out demons. “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19 NKJV There was so many things to tell the disciples before His death and resurrection, but He knew bthey couldn't bear them, and so He held back till the Holy Spirit who will guide them into all truth was given. Jesus understands man's limitations and so He doesn't place unrealistic expectations on people, especially when they are in an helpless situation. When Jesus asked us to love, He knew it would be impossible to do it unless he helped us , and so He shed His love abroad in our hearts by giving us His Spirit(Romans 5:5). This way, Jesus will then be able to love through us. What's the point ? Jesus couldn't have been telling the man with the infirmity in John 5 and the woman caught in adultery to stop COMMITTING SINS, when the power had not been given at that time ! So what was the WORSE THING He talked about? The worse thing is going to hell. He was basically telling them to believe the gospel and be saved so they would not go to hell. Now this is not about proving someone right or wrong. It bothers me when scriptures are misapplied and taken out of context. As a teacher of the word, i have a responsibility to exhort and to convince. “holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.” Titus 1:9 NKJV Balanced truth is tainted truth. Shalom. |
[quote author=davidinchrist post=89696884]Heb.10.26 - For if we sin "willfully" after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER remains a sacrifice FOR Sins, Every Christian must understand contextual reading of the Bible. It's criminal to take a portion of the Bible without considering the surrounding text, and give it any meaning we so desire. This particular verse is always taken out of context by legalistic Christians. Now let's roll... The book of Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians, some of whom having received the gospel and then converted, went back to animal sacrifice. The writer says they have received the knowledge of the truth, that is, they have heard the gospel of our Lord Jesus but are sinning willfully. What does it mean to sin willfully? The writer gave the answer in v4 “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.” ~Hebrews 10:4 KJV So it is clear that these "Christians" sin wilfully by performing animal sacrifice as an atonement for sin, thereby rejecting the blood of Jesus as the final sacrifice for sin. He repeatedly tries to drive home his point by stating that the sacrifice of Jesus is once and for all. “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” ~Hebrews 10:10 KJV “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.” ~Hebrews 10:14 KJV By forsaking the sacrifice of Jesus and embracing animal sacrifice, the writer says they have trampled the Son of God underfoot and treated the blood of Christ with disdain thereby insulting the Spirit of Grace. “Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?” ~Hebrews 10:29 By doing this, they now become adversaries to the gospel and will eventually face judgement if they don't repent. “but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.” ~Hebrews 10:27 NKJV Recall that Jesus defined sin in John 16:9 “of sin, because they do not believe in Me;” John 16:9 NKJV So the man that sins is the one who doesn't believe in Jesus being a final sacrifice for sin. For such, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, meaning after rejecting Christ, which is the only recognized sacrifice for sins, there is no other sacrifice for sins that exists again. Hope this is clear? Shalom. |
. He proves his deity by infallibly knowing the past, present, and future, including all possibilities and contingent events (1 Sam. 23:10–13; Matt. 11:21), from the tiniest detail (Matt. 10:29–30) to the fact and timing of our salvation (Rom. 8:29; 2 Tim. 1:9). As the eternal Son of the Father, Jesus Christ possesses the fullness of deity, including the attribute of omniscience (Phil. 2:6; John 21:17).