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TruthinAction:
She actually released a VCD the first time she came out exposing T B Joshua. I watched it myself. And she mentioned in that video how T B Joshua asked her to suck his dick just before a Wednesday service. So, the accusations did not start today.

I have seen her DVD. Hearsay. Hearsay. Hearsay.

Someone on here has sworn that Pastor Chris used to take women to hotels in Port-Harcourt. Some have sworn that he paid people to fake being sick. The other guy you are exchanging emails with said he was sleeping with women in church and that is why Pastor Anita divorced him. Some have sworn that the healing school is a means to make money for him through partnerships. Everybody has one story to tell.

Walk in love.

TruthinAction:
The Church cannot respond to allegations against him without his permission. If it was not with his consent, he will immediately dissociate himself from the post credited to his church.

It's not just about Bisola. One of his ex pastor he sent to Ghana also exposed him. Another lady in their branch in Athens also complained about sexual abuse by the local Pastor T B Joshua sent. She said she traveled to Nigeria to report to T B Joshua but was surprised that he said she should not be bothered since it happened within the church. When the authorities in Athens wanted to do thorough investigation, T B Joshua denied the Church. He said the Church was opened not by his order and gave directive to close it up.

In the court of law, you can dismiss the witness of one person but when it becomes two or more witnesses, the case is established. I really don't know how much you were paid to defend him in the face of multiple allegations. Your punishment will be worse because we are talking about destinies of hundreds of young ladies being destroyed by a self acclaimed prophet. Nigeria is really a useless country. By now, I should expect the police, SSS and other interest groups to do a thorough investigation. But as usual, a bag of Ghana must go full of dollars will make our security personnel turn a blind eye. But he will not survive it.

People have put up defences for Pastor Chris without his consent. Use the same eye for Prophet Joshua as you are according Pastor Chris.

I have told you that Bisola, Paul Agomo and Athens are the tail, there are numerous other cases of people testifying about him that are the dog. Which of them should wag which? I mean which of them is the preponderance of evidence?

What you keep doing over and over is quoting 2 people who have been proven without a doubt to be liars. How long will one deceive a child of God? If a Pastor stays under a ministry for 20 years and at the 20th year decides the ministry is not of God why should I take his testimony seriously? How was he being deceived for 20 years?

Once you have made up your mind to kill your dog, any thread will be good enough. That is what you are doing. All I will implore you is, pray for understanding, walk in love and see if you keep up with this energy about Prophet Joshua.

I have done same, and I know without a doubt that he is a man sent from God. I know doctrinally some things are off but same argument can be made for many other ministeries. Like you said, we know in part.

petra1:
No prophet sees everything .

2 Kings 4:27
. . . .And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the Lord hath hid it from me, and hath not told me.


Even Jesus didn’t know the tree had no fruit!
Sometimes We see what God allow us to see and sometimes we see in the area we look.

1 Corinthians 13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

Even if he saw it, it will be magic.

Truthchiz:
TruthinAction I wish we could talk either on Facebook messenger or WhatsApp. I have a lot to open your eyes to. That metro or whatever his name is, is lost but God will deliver him sooner than we think. He said Bisola never talked about sexual assualt till the Busola/Coza saga. He should go to YouTube and check out the video of her interviews several years ago.

LOL.

Start by defending the barefaced lies you told here that time has proven to be absolute rubbish.

Your Bible verses are Bisola chapter 1 vs 1. Continue deceiving yourself.

TruthinAction:
He has been able to get away because of the corrupt nature of Nigerians. But it will be over soon for the sake of young girls and teenagers he has turned to sex slaves. Like I said earlier, I already knew that he is not a man sent from God even before the allegations by Bisola and others. He already has a case in court with regard to this. I hope justice will not be perverted. It takes a bias mind to sweep under carpet all the allegations Bisola mentioned. The details are too overwhelming. And for her to even say Joshua should challenge it brings authenticity to her claim. If you say he doesn't have time to respond to allegations, why did they bring up an old video to prove she is mentally unstable? Let's not be loyal to a fault. You can't tell what people can do behind the scene. Some people look so holy outwardly but are the most pervert individual. Sex perversion is very common among clergy these days. What makes you think he is not capable of misbehaving. Even King David that God held in high esteem committed adultery and murder. What we should all insist is that thorough investigation should be made. Just imagine if your sister is one of his disciples and you hear this kind of thing, would you sweep it under the carpet? People like you are the reason evil prevail in the society.

A church putting up defence is not the same as TB Joshua doing same. He had never responded in the past and he has not responded now. The puzzle has already been solved; you already did not believe him, so you are using any shred of fake news to support your beliefs. Bisola is but one irrelevant person. To say I am ready to go to court I told you is the same trick every liar plays. If she was sure her defence will hold up in court, that is the first place she would go and not chump change bloggers seeking clout.

I have no doubt that you are in error. I only "worry" that this error will lead you astray as it is not the way of love. As for the sexual perversion nonsense you keep harping on, it is nonsense brother. They have said he is faking the miracles and prophesies. To he is using magical powers. To now he is raping women. Really, have you looked at the Bisola? Is that who TB Joshua will lose his ministry for? And why has he not failed and gone the way all the so-called MOG who have been against him have prophesied?

The funny thing is, while he has grown even in the things of the spirit, the critics are the ones seen backsliding. They are the ones not walking in love any more or the power. They are the ones who went and were never sent. That you are standing in their camp portends grave danger for you brother. Come out from there and separated says God.

Read the post above me. I told you to look for the tape "Truth on Trial" and listen to your MOG if truly Rev. Chris is your MOG. I won't be saying much about this. But I pray that the eyes of your understanding be open to see God's true essence in people and that you walk in love and love only. I went through a bout of not hearing from God because I was once like you, in being bitter and not walking in love thinking it was doing God a service.

TruthinAction:
T B Joshua is a scam. He will not survive it this time. He quickly closed his branch in Athens when the same allegation was brought up against the Pastor he sent there. Investigation was to be carried out on sexual assault on members there when he denied the branch was not opened by him. More is coming. Is not just about Bisola. Time will resolve this argument. I am a man of God and I can discern false prophets from genuine one. T B Joshua is a scammer of the century and he will go down. Mark my word. You can quote me later.

Search for TB Joshua on NL's search box and see what turns up. People have been saying this thing since 2005 even. It is 14 years after and he is waxing stronger and stronger while the people who criticized him are getting broker and broker both in power and in money. I told you there is only 1 synagogue church world over. He scrapped branches since of which the only other one was in Ghana. That you are hedging your beliefs on hearsay like Church in Athens already shows something is amiss. If you feel like you are more spiritually aware than your MOG who does not share this belief with you, then it is only a matter of time before you start up your own church. The only thing is, your ability to discern is seriously in question. I am a child of God myself, and once love is missing from a supposed MOG, I already know he/she has lost his way.

TruthinAction:
There are three categories of ministers. First, those who are called and abide in their calling in all honesty and truth. The second are those who are called but lack the right knowledge of God's word that makes them fall into errors. Third, those who made themselves ministers but God did not call them.

Please, I know I haven't achieved much in ministry to get the public attention but I know the truth and I know where I am going to. Ephesians 5:11 says we should not fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness but rather we should expose them. T B Joshua falls in the last category. His time of deceit is over and he will not survive this one. I am not envious of him. I believe in miracles but all miracles are not from God. Bisola is not the only one who has come to expose the evil done by him. Another minister who served him for years came up with the same allegation. A third one from Athens also accused the Pastor in charge of that branch of sexual assault. When she brought the case to T B Joshua, he swept it under the carpet to confirm that is what they all do.

The funny thing is, what you are using as your evidence against TB Joshua is the same thing Pastor Chris' detractors use against him. There is no way on earth that healing the seek in Jesus' name can be categorized as unfruitful works of darkness. Your theology is messed up. Satan cannot cast out satan. People also came out to give false testimonies about Jesus. So why will it be different in TB Joshua's case? If a minister has to serve under him for years before exposing him, that is the testimony I will not hurriedly believe. How long will a child of God be deceived? They have made allegations for years yet the whole of CAN and PFN could not bring him down. Maybe because God is backing him and not them. I hope this minister you are referring to is not Agomo? LOL

As for Bisola, she had released an earlier video several years ago accusing T B of sexual assault. She didn't start it because of the rape case against Pastor Biodun. She has actually written that book before now but was seeking for financial support to publish it. Her accusations should not be taken lightly because several teenagers are trapped in there. He should be investigated and Bisola said she is ready to defend her book in court. The details she supplied are just too overwhelming to conclude it is the work of a mentally unstable person. If a mentally unstable person could put those work together, then she deserves to be in the Guiness book of world record. But I know she is in her right senses. I have listened to several videos she uploaded and it does not depict someone who is mentally unstable.

Bisola is not new. I have maintained here that her initial story had nothing to do with sexual assault. This sexual assault rubbish is recent. And she is unstable. Her stories are things anybody can decide to twist if they wanted to. She was not even close to him as she is claiming and has a well-known documented case of mental problems. These are established facts. What you are calling overwhelming evidence is conjecture. Flimsy even. If she is ready to defend her book in court she should go to the court first. We have heard worse before, time exposed all of them to be liars.

The video uploaded by synagogue to confirm she is mental issue was done when her first attempt to live synagogue failed. T B Joshua dared her to live by drawing a line. She did but she wondered about Lagos for three days until she returned to Synagogue. At that time, she was bewitched and was made to make that Confession before she could be accepted back.

You are just hell-bent on believing her to the point you dismiss anything that throws her up in bad light but celebrate the rubbish she says. I hope you know there is only 1 synagogue church in Nigeria? I wonder why her testimony is true but John Ogu and Daniel Amokachi as we as other renowned ministers of the gospel who believe in him are liars.

To cut the story short, it was a man of God whose number she got from her mother that stood in the gap for her for months before she finally could live. Unfortunately, the man of God died five days later after she left.

So in your own way of reasoning, why did the MOG die if he was a real MOG? Abi.

When someone calls you a thief and you know that you are not, you must clear your name. T B Joshua should take her to court if the allegations are false. Otherwise, everything she said is assumed to be true.

How many people did Rev. Chris take to court when they called him such and even worse?

Oyedepo and his likes who idolize anointing oil fall into the second category. They are called but lack the right knowledge of God's word. He teaches very well on many areas but got it wrong on the use of anointing oil. You should remember that Pastor Tunde Bakare tore one of his book on telecast where he said that the anointing oil is the Holy Spirit in a bottle.

Yes I know. The same Tunde Bakare who prophesied OBJs death till date. He has been wrong. He was once addressed as a prophet but he has thrown that away because...his prophesies have been wrong consistently after getting Abacha's death correct.

Olukoya of mountain of fire is also in grave errors.

Ibiyeome of salvation Ministries also err in the area of taking vengeance.

Hope you know Ibiyeome criticises Pastor Chris to his congregation? Told them not to buy "power of the mind" when it came out and was even heard saying something about Pastor Chris' marriage. Yet, he copies Pastor Chris in ministration by trying to blow on people and what not. So is he fake?

Nigeria Pastors need to go back, take a break and read their Bibles again. So many don't even know the days we are living in. Most just preach and teach what the people want to hear to get the crowd. But God will judge anyone who handles his word deceitfuly.

I agree with this but it is not a Nigerian Pastors thing. Even the ones in US and all over are guilty of same.

TruthinAction:
I don't know. Perhaps out of curiosity. Nobody is perfect in terms of discerning God's will.

I am telling you that prior to that, other ministers had invited him to their churches. He did not go. The same Pastor Chris has honored invitations from white garment church before. This same man said when he wanted to reach out to some foreign ministers in the past, God told him no when he asked so he stayed put. If there is anything anybody who has been under Pastor Chris for long, you will know he does nothing except he hears from God. In his own words, it was not TB Joshua those CAN and PFN people hated. It was Rev. Chris himself. They used TB Joshua as a cover. Synagogue was a member of CAN and they were receiving donations from him prior only to turn around to act like he was not a member just so they could accuse Pastor Chris of fraternizing with him.

I am someone who did my research. In fact when PFN did their crusade in 2003 and invited Pastor Benny Hinn then, someone I spoke to said the same PFN came to ask for his help because they were not pulling the crowd they wanted. He told them "Pastor Benny Hinn is not supposed to be in Nigeria by this time". If you knew about that meeting, it was a huge flop. They even stole Pastor Benny's 4million USD. They wanted to bring Pastor Benny to spite Pastor Chris then. I don't want to talk too much on this issue. But just free that curiosity story. Pastor Chris (and by extension CEC) has a coat of many colors. And like Joseph, he needed to go through false accusations to achieve the dream God set before him. Even the Pastor Bakare you quoted in your other post was saying God showed him a vision of Pastor Chris collecting money to endorse TB Joshua. Has time not proven him to be a liar?

Truthchiz:
Do you know that it was after that visitation the people started accepting TBJ as Man of God? Do you know PC presented him as such? Is it not PC's member that has been defending both of them here? Do you know that MOGs like Pastors Adeboye and oyedepo still do not accepte TBJ as one of them? Look, both pC and TBJ are very much in the same WhatsApp group. He will not go there openly because of what people will say not that he is regretting it. They are one and the same. You think some of the things you listed above about SCOAN do not happen in CE. My brother leave talk oh

LOL as they did not accept him what then happened? Which one of them is God using more than him in the way we see? So satan is now more powerful than the God you serve?

You people should keep deceiving yourselves. When Bishop Oyedepo was abusing the VP and President through his pulpit who approved that one? Why did Adeboye not call him to order abi is the VP not a redeem member?

TruthinAction:
That was the only time they did that. He never went back there. And I know he will never do it again. That visit was a mistake in my opinion.

Listen to an old message called Truth on Trial. It will show that you are not only wrong..but you are misled..seriously. You say you know Pastor Chris well..yet you think he will stand up and go anywhere that God did not ask him to. Even when the TBNs of this world were asking him to come for Telethon, he always gave them money but never went there. So what will he gain by going with his flesh to TB Joshua?

TruthinAction:
My submission on TB Joshua is that he is not a man of God even long before Bisola released those videos. Pastor Chris is called and I have been under his ministry for years.

Let me just a few point about T B Joshua that disqualifies him as a servant of God.

1. He makes merchandise of people in the name of performing miracles through the sale of his anointed water. Miracles are not for sale. Jesus said, freely you have received, freely give.

2. He has made his members to idolize the use of anointed water and in most cases give glory to the anointed water for the miracles they receive.

3. You are not allowed access to his worship auditorium without a pass. And the pass is connected to your financial involvement and tithing over time. This is not church.

4. I have never heard one sound doctrine from him ever since I knew him.

5. The collapse of his building also cast some suspicion on his genuinety as a Prophet who sees what is about to happen in different places around the world but he never saw what was coming to him in his own house. The building collapse is the first warning for people to know who he is.

6. There are countless hundreds that have died seeking miracles from him. Some were certified healed only to die few weeks after they left synagogue.

7. A genuine servant of God will not announce donations to the public. This is what Jesus taught.

8. I have never heard him make altar call for people to come and receive salvation.

I can go on and on. He is not a servant of God and the recent sex scandal just confirmed my original position.

Bisola said she is ready to go to court to defend her allegations. All synagogue did was to post an old Confession she made long before the said scandal. And Bisola has explained what happened that day. It was her first attempt to leave synagogue but she found herself back. They had to force her to make the Confession before she could be admitted back.

The details contained in her book and video are overwhelming that anyone who tries to sweep it under the carpet is grossly dishonest.

Another lady has exposed the same thing going on in Athens. She traveled to Nigeria to report it to T B Joshua only to hear him say that as long as it happened in the church, she should just go back and be committed.

What more do we need to say about T B Joshua. The Bible says ministers of Satan disguise as angels of light.

I have read your submission and although I dont want to hold briefs for him, I can tell you are misled by hearsay more than the word. For e.g, you spoke about merchandise and what not. Well, Living Faith and a host of other ministries sell anointed oils as well. Are they also fake? Doctrinal error is not sufficient ground to render someone false. Revelation is progressive. If you have been under Pastor Chris long enough you should know that.

You say he made his members idolize the water? That is not true or else we should also say that Winners chapel have done same. The fact of the matter is, there is a lot of ignorance in the body of Christ but the intentions are what we should judge by the word. He prayed for the bottled water and sold the bottled water, you don't agree with it but it does not make him false. People hold that water and act their faith and it works, at the end of the day, God is glorified. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God. Because you know the perfect does not make the good, bad. Paul disagreed with Peter and James but he never called them false.

I don't know anything about auditorium and finances. I know people who are not financially buoyant who visited the auditorium without any financial anything.

You have never heard one sound doctrine from him? So he does not preach Jesus as the Christ? Resurrection from the dead? Water baptism? Hell and Heaven? Laying on of hands? Come on.

You do know that most of the people who died in the collapse were not necessarily members? They were construction workers? You do know in Jesus' day the temple of God collapsed and killed people and Jesus said it was not because the people who perished were evil? You do know many top men in both RCCG and Winners have died mysteriously. A pastor in Salvation ministry collapsed and died on the alter etc. So are these pastors fake too since God did not tell them what will happen? How did some of them come out to prophesy rubbish about the elections only to be disgracefully wrong?

All that countless others talk is figment. It is obviously a lie that nobody can back. It is the same lie they even tell about Pastor Chris. Have you not seen them pop up every now and then to say he paid them money to fake being sick? So those one's are true too since someone somewhere said it? Be real.

I don't know what announcing donations have to do? If they dont announce people will say they don't do anything. If they announce, you say they are fake because of it. Please pick a lane.

You have never heard him make an altar call? That is a lie. I can refute that one completely. I have seen him do so..not once..twice or even 5 times. See, I sensed you were just regurgitating what you had heard somewhere and you have confirmed it. Imagine getting something that can be verified wrong, what about the others?

LOOOL. I laughed hard at Bisola. She makes the most incredulous arguments I ever saw. She is obviously mentally unstable and clout chasing. Are you kidding me? When she had said stories about TB Joshua since..she never said anything about sex scandal. Then all of a sudden, Timi's wife says something and Bisola comes out to claim the same thing. Hahaha. For years she had made claims and not once did she mention sex until recently and that does not make you laugh?

So going by your line of argument why is she selling a book? Why try to monetize her truth? I wonder how Prophet Joshua is fake for selling things but Bisola is real for doing same? You seem excited by these fake inconsistent stories. I told you, just merely listening to her I can poke 10000 holes in her stories. TB Joshua gave someone $3000 then later same him did not know the same person got $3000. In 2001 it was TB Joshua they said was giving Pastor Chris money. Now Bisola said it was Pastor Chris that was giving him money. Abi? That is the story that you are using as your defence.

Forget angel of light and satan. The people who are not angel of devils and hate TB Joshua should first walk in the power he walks in so we can even start taking them seriously. You cannot be less than someone in everything and turn around to say they are false. It is jealousy pure and simple.

TruthinAction:
I still don't agree even though his healing method in some cases resembles that of T B Joshua. To every fake, there is always an original. Pastor Chris had affirmed it was not after the visitation he started ministering that way. Pastor Chris healing anointing is genuine. I have seen people miraculously healed in his Crusades. As for TB Joshua, I have doubt about his genuineness in the healing ministry.

I know you mean well, but there is nothing like "resembles". Get close to people who walk in that level of power and you will see that they only move as the spirit leads. It is the fake people who rehearse movements and try to copy the ones who actually walk in the power. I have spoken to people who knew Rev Chris in 1994 when he still kept a moustache. They told me the demonstrations were the same only the degree of power changed. When Rev Chris started blowing on people, he said exactly what God told him and he is known for it today. In fact, I can say almost anyone else in Nigeria you see blowing air is copying him. So was he copying Jesus as we see Jesus did so too? Even if that was the case, it is fine enough, but he specifically said the Holy Spirit told him to do it. That is not the same thing the Holy Spirit told Mr. A or B.

I remember when people said Rev Chris was also copying Benny Hinn. That was back then. Today, even Benny Hinn is astounded at the way God uses Rev Chris in a different way. To people who are not initiated, they look the same, yet to Pastor Benny himself, he knows the nuances. Stop joining issues with these people who don't know what power is so they criticize everyone who has it so they can explain away their own powerlessness.

As for TB Joshua, judge him by the word. He never responds to critics. Never insults other MOG on his pulpit or otherwise. He is very humble and a dangerous giver. What more do I need to know? That Bisola woman was confused. Her stories are easy to spot if one simply decides to be unbiased. In one part, Rev Chris is giving TB Joshua money and Joshua is introducing him to magical powers. In another breath, the same magician Joshua is afraid of Rev Chris' blood money? LOL

Or is it the part about TB Joshua not being able to maintain an S. Class or being money hungry? So she was feeding him the prophecies he gave including the ones where he is seen describing football matches days before they occur? Come on!

As for the lies about him telling people not to take drugs after he has prayed for them or refusing them to get tested. I am a living testimony that that is a big fat lie. I know a woman who worked for the Central Public Health lab in Yaba who said people usually came to do HIV tests before and after TB Joshua prayed for them. In her own words, some of them came back and tested negative and some others did not.

Look up John Ogu, the Nigerian football player. He was having injuries in his early days as a footballer. One such injury was to end his career. His father took him to TB Joshua, and after he prayed for him, John Ogu fully recovered and had an extended career. Don't let these unbelievers mislead you.

OLAADEGBU:
The dog that must get lost will not heed its owner's whistle.

Funny story, I was thinking the very same about you.

When you are done, read up on the person you are quoting and hope you will also endorse what he has to say when he talks about the people you believe in. But knowing you, you have no ground you stand on except lies and hearsay. And I have seen your destruction from afar.

Joagbaje:
One day you will see how wrong you have been brother. Have you heard false accusers shall arise. What is the proof they spoke truth. These are men . You based your judgement and condemnation on hearsay. How alarming .

It is not alarming. Ola had since lost his way. What ministry is this one from scripture? The ministry of panning TB Joshua who till date has never responded nor criticized the same people who vilify him every chance they have. I understand your need to correct him in love (that is Ola) but I don't share the same passion. I read his posts at times, laugh and know...destruction is waiting. You can't spew error and hearsay long enough before the seeds you are sowing will override you. Imagine someone who does not even know if Pastor's name is Christopher or Christian telling you (who knows him well) where he supposedly pays his tithes. I laugh at his ignorance and immaturity. But all the people who did worse on NL are either converted today..or have gone away. There is no middle ground.

^^^^

You are the same liar who said awful things about his relationship with Apostle Gbenga. I knew you were talking rubbish but I engaged you so you would contradict yourself and you did. You are on every post that has his name to spread one other lie. You have come to add this rubbish. So Rev Chris was not praying for the sick since the 80s? Or why do you think Prophet Joshua invited him?

Keep talking your demon-inspired rubbish. You are cursed. I know it. BTW, Apostle Gbenga was with Pastor Chris the other day. The videos are online. Another lie of yours..busted.

Joagbaje:
Starting with the President of Uganda, Prophet urbert angel who is popularly called " The Father of The Prophetic Movement" distributes several christian books among which is 70,000 copies of rhapsody of realities

https://www.zimlive.com/2019/07/17/prophet-uebert-angel-feted-in-meeting-with-ugandan-leader-museveni/

This man has his own written books, yet decided to promote the ones of his spiritual father. That man is wise. He already knows it, but he will go far. This is genuine true humility.

Amazingman:
Like I said, I would have , I did not say, I would have said thunder faya you well well for coming against a renowned man that has been an impact to many but like u said, Christlike no be original. Juju , who hold you not to do your own hairstyle. Na Oyakilomeh give your entire family bald head. Zombie, na Oyakilomeh cause the problems you are facing?

Alien, well like I said it's still morning thunder Sabi fresh well well now. Isi ewu

Unbelievers always want you to be well-behaved whilst they run ragged. Shows you they know what is right and wrong.

The issue is not whether they are fake or not. It is about the fact that the so-called people who are not fake cannot match them in grace, humility or the power thereof. What kind of Christianity are you practising where a false prophet has more power than the people you call real?

MuttleyLaff:
You are still bent on embarrassing yourself further by taking delight in being an ignoranus, hmm? I guess you're a glutton for embarrassment, erhn? Oyaks, is a pastor preaching to himself. Preaching sermons in codes, about himself and whats going down in his marital life. The shoe has being pinching his toes sotay, long time, before it got taken off

All men are created equal, then a few become glorified firemen, like Maestro21 putting out fire for Oyakhilome

Maestro21, have you finished reading the voice of reason from peteonline above, hmm?

positivelord, you know I tried but the truth is a bitter pill for some people like Maestro21 to swallow. Maestro21, peele, ndo. Or is it too late now to say sorry?

You really are serious about this going about desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel business sha

"In that day,” declares the LORD, “you will call Me ‘my husband,’ (i.e. Ishi) and no longer call Me ‘my Master’ (i.e. Baali)."
- Hosea 2:16

"And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali."
- Hosea 2:16 KJV

Hosea 2:16, clearly makes a distinction between husband and master, where incidentally master, means lord as in owner, just as I earlier pointed out about Sarah and Abigail.

Abigail, a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, at 1 Samuel 25:41, in a token of humility, responded to David's proposal of marriage, and replied back saying: "Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord." Abigail, the badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, without compulsion, without psychological preaching tactics games or gimmick, brought herself down and small before David, as if she is an insignificant person, then saying to him, she wants to take care of David's servants and then referred David, as her lord.

Many years before Abigail, used it, lord is the same adjective, Sarah, used for her husband Abraham too. Lord, is the same word we get landlord from, which means the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land or real estate which is rented. Sarah and Abigail, were merely recognising that their husbands are their owners, just as they are equally, the owners of their husbands.

If he truly was right, why does Hosea 2:16, clearly make a distinction between husband and master, hmm?

Blind loyalty, is such an interesting term and you dont cease to amaze me with your blind loyalty to Oyaks to the extent of defending his false teachings and heresies.

You say that an Omniscient God, an all knowing God, a God knowing everything, had an epiphany, hmm Maestro21? Chai! You no go keel pesin with profane talk with matter wey boku for ground already, come join am put with this your blasphemy. Maestro21, please brush up on Isaiah 46:10a, to get rid of your tooth truth decay

Please tell Maestro21, when God created Adam with a peniis, was Adam meant to fairk himself to procreate ni, hmm? I think you must be a sheeple. SMH. I just wish you use those little grey matter of yours better and properly because this thing about you, just dey tire me.

You are still bent on repeating this garbage that women were an afterthought, after being told it is a right load of old codswallop, hmm?

Oyakhilome is advocating elitism. Suck it up

In his teaching Oyaks is looking for a yes-woman, a weak person wife, who always will agree with the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, the superior at work and master at home.

Listen Maestro21, man and woman, might have different roles to play and its true their roles might be different, but their rights are equal.

Of course, the man is the head, no one is disputing that, but the woman is the neck too, and she, as the neck, can turn the head whichever way she pleases. Maestro21, man doesnt need to or have to demand submissiveness of his wife, because this has to come naturally by the woman's own volition and not by hook or by crook methods, like the ones preached by the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome.

Maestro21, if you let your head get too big, it'll break your neck and he who waits for the sword to fall upon his neck, will surely lose his head. This is why its advised to cover and protect our wives. Husbands, are to love their wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her.

Unlike Oyaks and probably you too Maestro21 included, everyone knows that when a husband puts his foot down on the neck, he develops a stiff neck, that will likely drive him insane. When a husband breaks the neck, he eats no more. Husbands should try neck kisses, as nobody is immune to the neck kiss, but oohh no, Oyaks is too spiritual for that

What is the bible chapter and verse reference to this improbable concoction you've made up please? Thank you.

My problem with some of you is that you want to understand something but will not ask humbly. You will ask irrelevant questions hoping the other person sees you as learned whilst helping you understand what you clearly are bereft of. For e.g, the same omniscient God who knows everything turned around in Genesis 6:6 to regret making man. So how does someone who knows everything still turn around to regret something he knew would happen? Or how did he give Adam instructions concerning the garden when Eve was clearly not created knowing full well that the same Eve will listen to the devil, cause Adam to disobey and lead to troubles?

It is clear to even a blind man, that Eve was created AFTER unlike the other animals that were created the same time for a purpose. To show his original plan and the headship of Adam. That is why the fall did not even happen after she disobeyed God and ate the fruit from the tree of good and evil. It only happened after Adam ate it.

Now that is not to negate the truth that God knows everything. He knew he would send his son to die from the foundation of the world the Bible declares. Yet in the very order of events he presents Jesus coming as an afterthought of Adam's fail. You people should ask for understanding. You lack it...severely.

And BTW, stop quoting and highlighting words from people who don't have a clue about anything. I can ask you to provide just anywhere in scripture that states the man's love should come first and then the woman's submission will follow but I would wait for eternity. Also, once I see any post that made the same grave error you did in thinking that message was close to or after Pastor Anita divorced him, I just stop reading at that point. A lot of ignoramuses think that message is recent yet it is as we speak, 12 years old. For the sake of other people who will read this after, he made those teachings many years before the divorce. I am sure you heard him say things about the woman speaking first when couples are asked questions. So who was he shading there?

You guys are so immature in your conjectures I don't even know how to start or stop laughing.

Now, your question on Hosea 2:16 is very stupid. There is no mincing words. The same word 'ish' was used in many other places to just mean MAN and nothing else. Not husband. Just MAN. And there are instances where the context clearly shows it was husband. The same goes for 'baal'. Baal was used in contexts to mean master and in other contexts to mean husband. So you cannot arrogate to yourself what the word should mean except by the context. In fact, even the Jews use baal or ish to refer to their significant other. So what nonsense are you talking about?

If I ask you to prove that the original man had a peniis from the scripture you won't be able to answer it so why the failed attempt at trying to sound witty? The Bible says the original man had in him MALE AND FEMALE. That suggests that he had both sexes resident in him. So when the Bible says Even was created via a rib, that is spiritual description. She was definitely not a rib. God took out the female sex from Adam and created her. "Bone of my bone" "flesh of my flesh" should tell you something even if you are deeply ignorant of scripture.

At no point in that teaching or anywhere else did he teach on a man demanding submission from his wife. Not even for a second. He was explaining the separate roles both parties play. The man is to lead and the wife is to submit. Your analogy about head and neck is superficial rubbish. The Bible also says Jesus is the head of man. So if man is Jesus' neck does that make woman Jesus' chest or stomach? Or does it mean Jesus goes where man decides to go? I mean, shame on you.

That is the danger with some of you false teachers. You bring in worldly nonsense and mix it with the scriptures and end up with the rubbish most of you want to pass off as inspired. Causing damage to yourselves and the unsuspecting. But you have all failed.

Improbable concoction you said? I laugh at your ignorance. Read 1 Corinthians 7:25-31. Read it in as many translations as possible. Ask God for understanding while you read it. Read verses before it and then after. Don't fight the word. Read it. Understanding will be granted you and you will see it. Paul said it: I will still paraphrase it to help you.

He said although I did not hear this part from God. I can give you my own advice since I have wisdom from God and I know God very well. If you are an unmarried woman, don't get married. Because a wife will face too many troubles having to concern herself with her husband whereas if she were unmarried she will only concern herself with the things of God.

If you follow Paul's teachings in context he had always maintained that a woman was under her husband's authority and shouldn't even preach in church except her husband allows her to. So imagine if that husband was someone who did not believe in the things of God before she got her call.

Let me stop here. You are not adding anything new to me.

MuttleyLaff:
"Of course, the shoes has been pinching his feet since around and before 2007. Cracks were already showing in his rocky marriage. He couldnt and didnt know how to handle this badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman of a wife he had. He was at wits end, that is why he had to resort to misinterpreting the Bible, like, saying husband in the Bible means master, when what it means is man, like a woman having a man, as in a husband. That was lie #1."
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by MuttleyLaff: 8:34pm On Jul 12

Only the wearer of the shoe, Oyakhilome, knew where and how the shoe was pinching his toe. Hin do tay, wey yansh don be for fowl back

"This is teaching gone totally and terribly bad because, husband, in the Bible, doesnt mean and never means master. The original Hebrew word that we get the English translation, husband from, is "ish". "Ish" means, man, as in, the woman, in the truest sense of the word, literally has herself a man. It doesnt as Oyakhilome erroneously puts it, means master. The equivalent Greek word "aner" that we get the English translation, husband from, also too, means, man"
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by MuttleyLaff: 5:02am

He who laughs last, laughs the hardest. Why dont you risk causing yourself further embarrassment by telling what husband means in the Bible please, hmm?

"... let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If you want to live according to the Bible, according to the Scriptures, then understand what the word says. The reason God made woman was because of man. He made the woman because of the man. That's why He made the woman. So women was not His original idea

Listen this is reality. Okay alright, scripture let's talk about. Let's say what the Bible says, now listen, when God have made everything and then
He made Adam, the Bible says everything was very good, already, everything was very good. No problem, then he got Adam. Listen. Okay, now be quiet, let me tell you something, if most women had their father bold enough to talk to them they will be very successful in their marriage and will be very happy people. Most women have never been taught by their parents, their fathers particularly that's the biggest problem, they don't know who a man is, they think he's another woman. You see in a marriage you have the man who is the head of that Union and because he is the head of that union it is important to understand him. Now you think, he is the one that needs to understand his wife. That is where you're wrong. He will but until you know who you have married, the man that you came, it is like working for somebody and not knowing what he wants. It's like serving somebody and not knowing what he wants. When you say that you're marrying a man, you are coming under his authority. The Bible says the man is the head of the woman, so when you marry him, you're coming under his authority. You're not authority sharers, even though you are both heirs to the kingdom of God because there there is neither male nor female but we are functioning here, that's why you were given the body of a woman and he given the body of a male, so in that union in that relationship there is a head, so when you say you're marrying a man, you are subjecting yourself to his authority

Now when you decide not to subject yourself to that authority, you are a rebel. Can you see that and God's not going to accept what you're doing. He cant accept it because you're not functioning correctly. Why did God make the woman? Simple, when you start in Genesis He says this, study all the way from chapter 2 into chapter 3, you see the whole thing, now He says, He brought all the animals before Adam, to see what he would call them and name them and when he was done, the Bible tells us there was not found a suitable one for Adam, no suitable company or companion for Adam, then God said, it is now at this point I want us to read it. Some of you women when I'm through with this you'll be in a hurry to marry"
- Oyakhilome teaching badly

You sure have become a maestro in bullshit, from the years of bullshit feeding you've received from Oyakhilome. Do you now see, how Oyakhilome moved on to then indirectly take a swipe at his wife's father. Codely saying the father didnt train the wife how to relate with a husband. Oyakhilome, was preaching about what he was dealing with at home. There is no two ways about it, mister maestro in bullshit.

Now, mister a glutton for embarrasing himself, tell why did God create male and female animals but according to Oyakhilome, woman was not part of God's original idea, hmm? That according to Oyakhilome, the woman is an afterthought, erhn?

You and Petra1, should stop trying to make fetch happen with 1 Corinthians 11:8-10. Paul did not use 1 Corinthians 11:8-10 to put forward an argument that the woman is an afterthought. Yes, it’s true that woman was created second, coming after man first was created. It is also true man was alone, as in, was without other people, until when the woman appeared on the scene, but it doesnt in any way mean the woman is an afterthought, like Oyakhilome put forward

Do you know what rubber ducking is? Well, I'll tell you for free. That is precisely what Oyakhilome, before and after the collapse of his marriage, was doing. That is the actual truth in this matter. It is an Oyakhilome soliloquy going on, revealing the struggle and battle he was dealing with at home and las las never won

Please dont ever again be thinking of whether anyone here on this thread is just a dummy or not. OK? I am counting on you to appreciate that an advice word to the wise is enough and an intelligent person, like yourself can readily take a hint. There is not enough darkness in all the world, to put out the light of even one small candle, the like myself.

You put up the most laughable arguments ever and how you aim to brandish yourself as someone who is researched even makes it more comical. In 2002, 10 years into his marriage he is throwing shade at his wife and her father. In 2007, 15 years into the marriage he is doing same. But it takes his wonderful wife, 7 years after this to realize the shade? Someone just tried to pass this off as an intelligent comment.

In the realm of common sense, we call what you are trying to do revisionist nonsense. You have proceeded to accuse him of throwing shade now because he is divorced, for a message he preached 7 and even 12 years prior. Imagine if he used a hypothetical example of sons who disobeyed their fathers. I guess you would have to wait for eternity to find who the shade was directed at since he has no biological male children to be shading. Because in your distorted sense of reasoning, every example a teacher uses, must be somewhat related to his own personal life. I don't think your type of intelligence is useful to the world or the church.

Which segues into another not too useful way you tried to cover up your "ish" and "aner" misapplication. Contextualization is your friend and not your enemy. In Genesis 3:16, when the Bible says "her desire will be for her ish" it could very well translate to her desire will be for her man, but since the context here was referring to the man being hers it was contextually proper to use husband. That same word ish was used in Genesis 2:23 but there we see it translated and transliterated into its original meaning "man".

There is another word that was used as husband as well. Baal. In Jeremiah 31:32 when God says he is husband to his people the word translated as husband there is from the Hebrew baal which means master. So in that context the same word, husband did not mean man. It meant master.

Interestingly, in Hosea 2:16, the Bible says call me ishi and not baali. This could have very well been translated as call me your husband and not your husband but it will make no sense. So contextually it was more meaningful to say call me your man and not your master. Call me your husband and not your owner. This undeniably proves that the word husband contextually means man, master, ruler, owner. But whilst ish could mean man or husband. Baal unshakeably meant husband or master.

So if Pastor Chris says the word husband means master he was right by the Bible.

Now, why did God create male and female animals? That is not the right question. The right question is, why did God create male and female animals at the same time? Because of procreation. But when it came to man, the Bible says he created the man alone. It is important because Genesis 2 gives a more descriptive trail of events than Genesis 1 that was a summary. In Genesis 1, we understand that God placed male in female into the man he created. Then in Genesis 2, we see where God seems to have an epiphany and says it is not good that the man he created is alone. So he takes out the female in him and creates him a woman to help him.

You may not like the construction of the term but it is clear as day that the woman does appear to be an afterthought unlike the animals which he created at the same time. Which is why Paul expressly states by the holy spirit, that the woman was made for the man and not man for the woman (in other words, I did not make man because I had a woman in mind. I made a woman because I already made a man who was alone). Again, what does that imply? That since she was made because of the man. The man was the original idea and she was the secondary idea. It is not that hard to reason. There is a reason why something is called SECONDary. It is because it comes AFTER the first.

This pretentious and deceitful advocacy for egalitarianism in marriage you are trying to portray is contrary to the scripture. Pastor Chris teaches about the equality of male and female in Christendom but stresses that the dynamic changes in marriage. Unlike the error you have in your transcription, He also says that he wonders why many women in Christianity are so eager to get married considering how submissive the Bible expects them to be. In another teaching, he taught on how women's role in the union was to "lead from behind". So he was not emphasizing a master-slave relationship but only pointing out that the woman's authority in a marriage was not equal to her husband's. She was to be under his authority. And Paul taught EXACTLY the same and even advised women, that to him, it was better for them not to marry especially if they wanted to be leaders in the church. As that will put them under their husband's authority which could pose untoward consequences if the man in question was not godly or spiritual.

MuttleyLaff:
"The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, as seen from the above YouTube video clip excerpts has been preaching this lopsided, unevenly balanced, biased and distorted in a way that is makes it inaccurate, unfair, misleading and indirectly talking about his wife and rocky marriage since 2014 and even after the uneventful breakdown of same marriage on April 9, 2014, when his now ex-wife filed for divorce at the Central Family Court in London"
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by MuttleyLaff: 5:02am


You are really thicker than a two plank wood for publicly self embarrassing yourself

Is it until I paste a screenshot here, showing the date stamps of the video and sermon being made in 2014 and 2016 respectively that you would eat the humble pie and accept the humiliation for being ignorant of the fact years the video was uploaded to YouTube and the other sermon was preached

Of course, the shoes has been pinching his feet since around and before 2007. Cracks were already showing in his rocky marriage. He couldnt and didnt know how to handle this badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman of a wife he had. He was at wits end, that is why he had to resort to misinterpreting the Bible, like, saying husband in the Bible means master, when what it means is man, like a woman having a man, as in a husband. That was lie #1.

Then he went on to further goof that, woman was not part of God's original plan. Lie #2 and what a big fat heresy.

He moved on to then indirectly taking swipe at his wife's father. Codely saying the father didnt train the wife how to relate with her husband. Oyakhilome, was preaching about what he was dealing with at home. There is no two ways about it.

His missus, now ex wife saw through his bullshits, absurdity, irrationality and heresies. That is why she left him

How can you possibly argue with me except you are as confused and bereft of common sense as I already suspected. What if I told you that I was in the venue what would you say? What if I also told you he has taught similar things even in 2002, what would you say? How will that help the rubbish you have above?

Husband in the Bible means man? Juxtapose your lie 2 claim with Petra1's post above. I want to see if contextualization is your issue or if you are just a dummy.

MuttleyLaff:
You must be having a laugh, because it was after I listened to the entire video more than one time, that I decided to print out what he said, for the benefit of those not having enough data plan to watch the video.

I captured the errors he made and the circumstances or context around them. You heard and read how he took pot shots at the woman's father, saying the father didn't train the woman well enough on how to be with a husband. The man was codely talking about himself and his rocky marriage, before and after it crashed, misapplying and misusing scripture to back up his gaffes

Today must be a really slow one for you.

That message was preached 2007. Pastor Anita divorced him 2014. I don't want to have to show you your very first and obvious goof.

The scriptures are clear so no need to debate those ones. Except and like I suspect, you don't even know them to begin with.

MuttleyLaff:
There were more, but it was getting to lengthy to type out, so I jacked the rest in and couldn't be anymore bothered to continue with it

You should have listened to all. Then looked for more messages similar to that and listened to all. And imbibed words you and everyone in your family line did not know before.

I immediately knew you were lost when you started relating the message to his wife and her father. That was a 2007 message BTW.

If you are so wrong about something that can be verified like a date. Imagine how far off your understanding of scripture is in this regard.

goldfish80:
Genesis 1:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them
The bolded suggests they both were created same time. Why mention female when Eve wasn't yet created? The English is very clear. Some secretes are hidden in plain sight. Research about Lilith, I'm not in the mood for arguments.

Your own quote defeats you. It simply means the original man had "male and female" contained in him. When god then saw that the original man was alone, he decided to take the female out of him to make him a help. That is what King James was saying.

This message was preached in 2007. If it was the reason his marriage crashed then it means it took his wife 7 years after this to come to that understanding. Anybody can see reason with that if it even makes sense. Meanwhile, at the point in time, he had been married for 15years. So no one should come and talk about experience or the lack of it.

If you are a christian, he was quoting scriptures. Anyone who does not agree with it can go on to form their own religion or teachings. That is exactly what the bible teaches.

Notice it is not about disparaging women; it is about differentiating between a woman and a wife. They are not the same. A woman's husband is her head and master. But not every man is the master of every woman. Period.

I purposely ignored your message till now knowing I would come back here to say "I told you so". I wouldn't really say more than that, except I am a son of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and will be that till Jesus comes God-willing. But I know when he is airing his own misinformed opinion and when he is speaking from God and I know which of them I follow to the letter.

In that communion service, pastor put a caveat that he had not been following Nigerian politics so he was unsure. That was an indicator that people should not have been going up and down trying to use Pastor to endorse a thief.

I hope you will learn your lesson now.

Cheers.

asuustrike1:
All you said is not translating to economic growth. Nothing is working instead it is television growth you see on tv. Inflation rate is still high,unemployment rate still high, businesses are folding.

Then you don't know what economic growth is. You can't build infrastructure in a bad economy. Where will money come from? Do workers work for free? Yes there is unemployment. That number has shrunk from 2012 to present day 2019 which means there is an upward trend. 112M people were living in abject poverty in 2012. Today, it is just 87M. Nigeria moved 4 step upwards in our transparency index. Where will you get money to pay pensioners that were being owed since 1999 if the economy was failing?

Because Pastors have stopped receiving millions from thieves in govt trying to buy a conscience they now want to turn around to misinform the congregation. That is shameful and diabolical.

Oyinprince:
Lol, Brother, what I posted is what Pastor said and not my interpretation of what he said. Can you show me where I interpreted anything there? And how many times have I said you should show me what he didn't say that was included in the OP?

Rubbish link right, it leads to a video of your Pastor and it's rubbish link because you don't like it.
I've also been wondering why you think Pastor was shading candidates there, you've mentioned "shade" more than once already.

At the bolded, I now understand that you think Pastor goofed. Lol. But I'm still yet to see where Pastor made a prophecy or mentioned the candidate that will win.

Anyway, do enjoy the rest of your day.

I watched the live communion service. The link is rubbish because it is a snippet. Pastor also said he does not follow Nigerian/local politics - so he was giving information based on what he heard which is what I pointed out. The issue is, I am showing you the contradictions and incoherence between what he said and what you interpreted. You went as far as saying he was endorsing your candidate. LOL.

I said he goofed with the information he was passing which unlearned people will later use to say he made a prophecy. I asked you; if he was trying to shade the present govt, why say a group in the west endorsed a particular candidate? Can't you see both statements don't work?

asuustrike1:
Keep quiet Mr. Inspite of the so-called integrity the economy is still in shamble

Your economy is in shambles? The one were pensioners are being paid? Infrastructures are being put in place? You are out of a recession? That economy? The one where scholars are being paid on time? The one were states were bailed out even when oil prices plummeted?

I have never seen a more hypocritical bunch than so called Christians.

Oyinprince:
@Maestro21
This is the link to the video here.
If we are to even include the things Pastor said that wasn't included in the OP, especially the part of his meeting with the journalists, then we have more reasons to kick the present government out

I wish you know who you are sending a link to. I just asked you questions based on your interpretation of what he said and you are sending me a rubbish link.

"People get excited when they are ushering in a new government". Welps, if the candidate you want wins, won't that shade catch him?

"don't support someone because of ethnicity". The 2 leading candidates are of the same ethnic fold.

"a group in the west endorsed some candidate and they are not a political party"

Which group in the west endorsed a candidate? Who was that candidate?

You people can see reality barefaced but you rather circumvent to live in a false reality. Let 16th come and go so I would watch all the backtracking you will have to do.

I revere the MOG, but that is exactly how Prophet TB Joshua goofed and tried to redact the false prophecy.

Oyinprince:
Sir, can you point out the lie in the OP? Just show us the way he said it instead is saying this is not how he said it. There is no lie in the OP, those are Pastor's words (of course, ignoring the typos) and I even copied this on WhatsApp from a staunch Buharist, he posted when he was trying to defend that the Man of God wasn't endorsing Atiku.

The man of God spoke, giving us directions on how to go about choosing our candidate, there's nothing wrong sharing with others, is there? So why do you have a problem with it? Pastor has not said any candidate would win nor has he given a prophecy that you should be afraid would fail, and even if he gave a prophecy and made it public, why should I be afraid to share it?

It's obvious that your candidate does not qualify based on the criteria the MOG shared and you're bothered about that. I advise you just follow his advice since you're a son in the house.

LOL. I only care about Pastor Chris' name being attached to failure so I will dispel the false notions and innuendo. I already gave you an example of false quoting which some people call paraphrasing. "Don't support anyone based on ethnicity". Well, the 2 major candidates are from the same ethnic groups. One group in the west endorsed particular candidate and he spoke against such. Only Afenifere is from the west that endorsed Atiku. That someone is born again or Christian is not a reason to vote them. Both PYO and Peter Obi are professed Christians add Chris Okotie to the mix etc etc.

Like I said to you, there are so many other things he said which I don't even feel the need to post here. But if you cut out the places that feel he is throwing shade at your candidate and leave the others that are blanket statements. You are indirectly making him say things that he did not say.

How can I be bothered about something I already know the end of? I am only here because of Pastor's name. I personally don't believe anyone who can think or loves Nigeria will vote for your candidate. But that is my opinion.

Oyinprince:
Lol, which version did you listen to Sir?

I watched that program live and even followed up with the prayers we have been doing since then. Both communion service and yesterday, he not state what he did in the manner it is being reported. I know some of you are supporting the other candidate, but you should not bring the MOG into it as that will be spiritually fraudulent.

If anything, there is only one party that has told people to vote based on ethnicity. Only one group on ethnic basis have come out to support one candidate. All that rubbish talk about who has not managed a business successfully or led successfully is neither here nor there. You can never have a greater leader than one who has actually led a nation 2 different times.

Stop using Pastor Chris to lie. God does not support evil in any way, shape or form.