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OLAADEGBU:
It came from its own members and not by soliciting from outsiders by lying, promising them what they cannot give.

LOOOOOL

You are a funny hypocrite.

1. Can you swear on your life that no non-deeperlife member contributed?
2. Provide evidence that they were soliciting for funds.
3. Provide one lie they told.

jesusjnr:
So you're now the Bible.

That proves you're a hypocrite.

You can judge who a man of God is but when others do same you'd would call them God's mouthpiece.

Keep your trashy opinion to your-Bible-self.

Quote one Bible verse validating your opinion.

petra1:
I have tried reach out to you by private mail and public thread but you refused. You chose to believe what you want to believe . You may have good intentions but your are sincerely wrong. I have therefore left your matter to the Lord so that I sin not with my mouth .

I disagree on the above. He does not have good intentions. It is "My pastor is good and your pastor is bad". There is a love way of seeking clarification. I do not know where people get the boldness to call people they have never met names and think they are doing God a favor.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

You're not God's mouthpiece, yet you are sure what I said was rubbish.

So what do you think you are?

The bible is God's final word on any issue. That very same bible makes me know you are talking arrant nonsense.

Goshen360:
Continue in your deception!

He also said he'll never do it again demanding money or any type of seeds FOR GOD'S BLESSINGS or IN EXCHANGE FOR GOD'S BLESSINGS. The problem with you guys is, you can like a man of God for special reason (s) but you like him to defend his errors.

In other video interviews with Benny Hinn, he himself admitted that that people DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE BACK FROM GOD after sowing these seeds and in some cases, some go worse financially meaning it doesn't work hundred percent.

Bottom line, giving to get from God or sowing seeds to double a blessing from God in Christianity is not different from MMM or Baba ijebu or even babalawo technics. These are false gospel that people like the prosperity preachers have introduced into the church of Jesus

You are the one who is actually deceived and would not listen. You should actually take a seat and ask for understanding rather than running amuck quoting devils and inviting them into your life.

If you want to have a solid debate about money, what is right or wrong, then bring bible verses and seek for a mature debate. You don't assume what someone said and then make rubbish posts about your own assumption and pat yourself in the back. It is pure deception and delusion.

At no point did anyone tell people to sow in exchange for a blessing. But if anyone sows, it is biblical to have an expectation. If you disagree. Just denounce Christ and follow Sunday Adelaja or whoever you want to. You cannot be Christs and cherry-pick what part of his own words you want to believe.

CrestMan:
@Petra 1, please don't mind that man that did the video. He is only trying to gain relevance and direct traffic to his page. He's ignorant of the Word of God!
He sounded just like Judas Iscariot especially when he was advocating for the poor.

I still want to thank him sha for uploading the video of Pastor Benny ministering! It was so refreshing! How I love these Men of God(Pastor Chris and Pastor Benny). I'm indeed a partaker of the Grace of God upon their lives!

Someone who is trying hard to sell books. Trying hard to increase subscribers to his YouTube. For what reason? To make money. Then turns around to criticize people for their own money.

And they wonder why they will perpetually be broke and cursed.

Hismasterpiece:
What money do you think they use to run the ministry? How do they maintain buildings? How do they do outreaches? How do they publish books? How do they afford electricity? How do they pay for all the utility workers in church? How do they afford busses and cars? How do they fuel them?

Do you think that the money used in running a ministry falls from the sky? Do you think that all the tithe goes to the pastors bank account?

THINK! THINK! THINK!

You have no problem receiving from God but when He asks you to give you start to squeeze your face.

You see tithes as pastors salary, which is not the case. When you give, you give for the spread of the gospel, for the furtherance of God's agenda on this planet.

Or do you think pastors poop all the money used in running their ministry's? Think!

Except you are new on NL, you won't bother with these lot. You won't find a more confused and ignorant bunch I tell you.

jesusjnr:
I can say for a certain that Benny Hinn is a true man of God but I can't say the same for Chris Oyakhilome.

The problem I have observed with Benny Hinn over the years is the lack of focus. He doesn't have the focus of a Reinhard Bonnke, and that is what distinguishes between both men for me.

Benny Hinn today would be sober and really fired up for God, the next moment he's distracted and chasing something else.

I believe he truly loves God and that is why he feels remorse after a while, unlike some other church leaders whose hearts are stone-hardened against the Truth.

I feel his lack of focus and total submission to the Will of God as the likes of Reinhard Bonnke has prevented him from hitting the heights God intended for him as such ones.

I can remember hearing the words of Kathryn Kulman who Benny Hinn often talked about for the first time, and it was as though I was hearing a spirit speaking and not human, the difference was very clear.

I was really surprised that she was the one whose ministry inspired Benny Hinn, yet she sounded so different from him, and operated at a different level from what I have come to know of him.

I really hope he gets it right because God is the one that always loses whenever we don't yield ourselves completely Him.

And the losses are counted in souls which He payed so dearly for.

God bless.

God's mouthpiece. Hope you would have an explanation when he would ask you who sent you to say this rubbish?

MuttleyLaff:
Their freudian slips just like that one gives them away

You guys should pally up o jare. When LGBTQ rights are being discussed biblically I want to see what sides of the divide you both will take.

LOL

OLAADEGBU:
Who is your 'lord' with the lower case, Chris Oyakhilome or TB Joshua?

LOL.

Ignoramus. The bible you claim you read find out if the Hebrew or Greek words have upper case.

Religious people and their ignorance. Lol

OLAADEGBU:
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, you believe Me not" (John 8:44-45).

Do you intend to murder 'these ones' as your father the devil does?

Nobody is murdering you. You have already joined in the queue of the cursed and confused. Your judgment has been passed. You are the only one who does not know.

OLAADEGBU:
They seem to be tapping into the same source of 'power' to mesmerise their audience into believing whatever they say.

The money Deeperlife used to erect their building worth 4B Naira, where did it come from?

petra1:
I have learnt to stand for truth. Even though it comes at a cost many times . Sometimes you may have to stand alone. Shun the crowd. Follow scriptures.

Critics are mostly biased haters. They have no bible reference . When you ask them biblical questions they avoid it.

We have always known. You are blessed MOG!

petra1

Once I see anyone quoting Sunday Adelaja. I know that one does not know God at all. The other one is a very well-known hypocrite who has lost his way. I admire your desire to speak truth at all times, but be careful with these lot. They don't know the lord.

Anywhere evil and misinformation are present that is where you will see these ones. They will never study and they will never raise men who love God. Their heart is constantly in evil and their words give them away. Don't get swayed by their christianese. They are children of the flesh and their flesh will always dominate. They will be here for a short while as they are needed to show the double-edged side of God. In a wee bit they will be no more. Like the ones who came before them.

divineappo:
(True Story of a friend)

My Ordeal at Christ Embassy healing school August 2018 section.

It's my mom, she had stroke since March 2015. And before that time it's wasn't long that we lost dad to a kidney illness of about 14months till he finally left. We were still struggling to recover from the financial stress and stuff when mom had stroke.

Our world came crashing down again, i had to leave school to stay in the hospital with her. I only went back to school during the exam to write my exam. Didn't even know why I didn't carry any course over but I couldn't write my project.

So when my sister graduated she came home to stay with mom so I came to Lagos to work because hunger nearly killed us. I started a little job In Lagos and started attending Christ Embassy.

So I began to see the videos of the previous healings school and I felt I have to bring mom during the next healing school in Lagos But last year there wasnt healing school in Nigeria.

During Loveworld January this year, pastor Benny hinn said there will be healing section on the last day of the program So I quickly arranged for a car to bring my mom to Lagos. Many people also brought their loved ones but at the end no attention was given to us. It was fund raising everywhere.

So mom stayed with me in one room self contain since then till June. When pastor Chris oyahkilome announced that there will be healing school in Lagos Nigeria, everyone shouted for joy. Immediately I registered her and we were happy the time for her healing is here because we have seen a lot of testimonies and videos of people who attended healing school and got healed.
I asked my boss for a month she said I was foolish for trying to stop my job for the purpose of healing school but I chose to take my mom to healing school because I completely trusted she will be fine.

*So I quit my job* Healing school started on 27th of July, we arrived very early in the morning for the orientation, We spent about #4000 everyday for our to and fro movement, buying the materials for lectures, and some other stuff we need to do with money, we sow seeds consistently too.

The program was actually 2 sections, so our own section been the first should end on 12th But on 11th they called out some of our names and inform us that pastor wouldn't be ministering to us in 12th, so we have to wait and take the lectures again with the second batch students for another two weeks, This time I was so frustrated because I have exusted all the money on me and excitedly thinking Sunday ends it all.

So I tried my best but couldn't afford the tfare any longer so I had to go beg a woman who gave us her shop which is a bit closer to oregun to sleep in the night. She took 4k from us every week, I paid for 2weeks, My mom and I slept on that cemented floor for about 2weeks, sometimes no food for us to eat, sometimes what I could afford for mom in the whole day is gala and a satchet of pure water while I sleep with empty stomach.

Till the healing services came on Sunday 26th, with all exitment and expectations, We were asked to arrive at the LCA by 6am, before 5am we were there already. We were given seat numbers but surprisingly when we entered the hall we already saw people occupied the supposed seat we had their numbers

We asked our lecturers they assured us that the numbers were given in 2batches so after pastor finish ministering to those first set we will occupy the place and be ministered to.

So we obediently obeyed their instructions
So pastor came out to heal the first set of people which mainly comprised of people who can stand on their own without an aid, few people on stretchers, about very few people on wheelchairs they all got healed and were rejoicing.
We also rejoice with them in anticipation of ours.

But surprisingly instead of allowing us occupy the seat as promised they call the pastors and some other members to occupy them.

So we began to ask for explanation for the reason things turned out that way, we began to press towards the stage where pastor Chris is, then they called in the ushers to completely block us so camera wouldn't see us at all.

We kept pressing forward till all the pastors who lectured us and promised to put us on healing lines came to join the ushers and pushed us back telling us we can get our miracles anywhere not until pastor minister to Us.

So it wasn't long pastor said he's done with the healing service Everyone shouted because there were still more than people on wheelchairs that hasn't been ministered to with some on stretchers too
So pastor Chris asked us to raise the paper indicating the condition, he prayed and asked us to act with faith. He then prayed on some shawls and asked us to drop a love offering of #5k at least for one.

Everyone tried lifting their loved ones making them do what they couldn't do till pastor walked out of the hall. After about 30min trying to exercise faith each person sat back on their wheel chair and returned home like that after the healing school.

What actually gave me more concern was that one of the pastors blamed it all on us saying we didn't have enough faith that the prayers pastor prayed was enough to heal our loved ones but we refused to Take the healings

*So my questions are*
What exactly is Faith ?
That I quit my job for this purpose isn't faith enough
That I left a self contained decent room to sleep in a shop for two weeks isn't faith enough?
I emptied my bank account to sow seed
And why is it that all the people we meet at the healing school during lectures, with whom we interacted prayed together and encouraged each other. Not even one was healed.
I endured hunger for this same purpose isn't faith enough.

As for me I had just #400 and I was confident cause I already concluded that mom is going to walk today and the #400 will be enough to take us back home as we will go home with public transport not taxify.
All of us still saw each other and went home

*faustrated*
*disappointed*
*depressed*
And *broke*

Still having to push our loved ones with the wheelchair. I have to beg the cab driver that we later used to please come back next week to take the #2k he promised to collect.

I don't really know what all the drama represent but I know there's more to all these show of miracles that we see on television, they are not exactly what we are seeing."

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Occasionally funny stories like this will pop-up but those who have eyes will see the obvious lies and deception.

Pastor Chris asked people to buy shawls? LOL
You bought ministry material and sowed seeds every day? LOOOOOOOOOL

Report your story to the Canadian and South African govts too. He is also scamming people in that country every year yet nobody can catch him.

Temotala:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is9GGzxlQuc

I must admit I was disappointed to watch some minutes of this tonight. After publicly repenting of and recanting the Prosperity Gospel, Pastor Benny Hinn spent three hours with Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Bishop Clarence Mclendon fund-raising for LoveWorld in Lagos.

The focus of the entire session - all the sermons and songs - was to get people to financially give to Pastor Chris’ ministry. Now I’m not against people giving but the Bible says it should flow from the heart - not induced by emotional reactions to a telethon like this.

What is happening to Christianity? With giants like Reinhard Bonnke, Billy Graham and Oral Roberts time, who will teach and show the pure Gospel in today’s generation so consumed by materialism?

You are incredibly ignorant. Even more so when you said "Pastor Chris' ministry" lol. LoveworldUSA was constituted by Pastors Benny and Chris.

The daftest thing you said is that the program was emotionally induced or that it is a "prosperity gospel". So funny. It is you people who did not understand Pastor Benny that I am now laughing at.

And that pure gospel you are talking about is what LoveworldUSA is about. The difference between what it is achieving compared to the generals you mentioned is, this is the technology age. Reinhard Bonnke won 75M people to christ right? Those are the people who agreed to come to the crusade and then believed. What about those who will never come to a crusade? Loveworld will reach people like that in their homes

A man who loves the whole body of Christ!

He will never be found insulting or criticising any man of God or ministry including those that use their pulpits to lie about him.

A generous man. How many other ministers have you met that you asked "tell me whatever you need and I will do it for you"?

A man of LOVE true and through. If someone wrongs him, he buys them a gift.

The amount of prophecies you have poured into our lives. The boldness I have because of how you have taught the word.

There is no man of God who met you and did not cry. Many went back and said " A Christian like Jesus expects us to be".

From the age of 11 you were already having cell meetings. 15 already hosting crusades. Every one in your university who knew you said "Brother Christian always took the things of God seriously".

You are an apostle to this generation. Your messages are so word-based and packed. I have listened to many men of God world wide. I can tell when they are just revising your message without giving you credit. Of course, you don't need it. But it shows your impact to the whole body.

Like I said, if I talk about you. I will fill Nairaland up. You inspire me so much. I will love people and see them only with the eyes of compassion like you have taught me to.

Someone saw you recently and said " this man is not human..he is a spirit being". He could not believe one man could carry such grace.

There is not one single gift of the spirit I have not seen you walk in. Funny, the children you have raised are working and walking in the same power.

Every tribulation you have faced you faced them in love. I have never found you walking contrary to what God has said.

The one's who said you were wrong in X and Y are now teaching your messages. You saw it ahead of time.

You believed in us. You raised us. Your understanding of the word is unparalleled. Difficult questions you dissect in seconds.

You are the wisest man I have ever studied.

You will never go down Daddy! Jesus is fully formed in you.

Many people who have seen open visions of Jesus said he directed them to follow you.


Everything you touch succeeds. Everything.

I love you so much!!!!

God bless you, sir!

Happy birthday Man of God.

If I talk about you in detail I will fill up all the pages and threads of Nairaland. You are a remarkable man who is completely sold out for the gospel like the world has never seen.

I have watched your life change each day - only for good. I have seen the boundless love you have for the master, Jesus. I have observed you use God's word, to raise people, love them and make them just like you.

You are the greatest Man of God alive and it is not even close. I will spend time praying for you, that you grow from strength to strength; understanding to understanding and glory to glory.

I will shed tears of joy for you.

I love you, sir.

Image123:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome speaks on why he thinks women should wear trousers in the short youtube video in this post.

If the beginning of a post be in error what shall be the rest of the post?

First and last, for me, wearing of trousers is not an issue of salvation. Note that boldly. So it's not a question or argument about this person is saved or not saved. We are saved by grace through faith, not by what we wear or don't wear. But there are things that are right and there are things that are wrong. For instance, it is wrong for you to miss church, or be sleeping or washing clothes or watching film at home during service. It is wrong for you to owe people money without paying them. Whether you will go to hell or be damned for this is another topic on its own.

OK.

So back to the matter. i believe absolutely that it is wrong for ladies to wear pants for many reasons. But in this video, the popular pastor Chris gives some reasons which i see as shallow and misleading.

Your personal opinion is useless for doctrine.

Firstly, i was surprised that trousers or no trousers was such a big issue for them(BLW). i never knew they cared so much what people thought about wearing trousers. i thought they were altogether blind about it.

Big issue?...lol. First off, the title of the complete message is called "The Word in You" which was around 2009 or maximum 2010. That snippet you heard was a segue from the crux of the issue which was the impact of God's word in an individual. Leading to that example, he was trying to explain how religious bondage can frustrate the power of the word in an individual's life - even for those who had been "born again" for a while. So a good example is the debate about wearing trousers or not. Using the lady who received the holy spirit whilst still in trousers was perfect because she received him having been unaware of the so-called doctrine that women were not allowed to wear trousers, whereas, there are religious "holy brethren" who had been born again for a while still "kurimama-ing and surimama-ing" without receiving anything except copying the religious jargon they had heard other religious people spout.

[s]Then pastor Chris gave some fallacious reasons why women should wear trousers. Do you agree with him?[/s]

Your opinion is not doctrine. Show bible verses.

One, [s]he says someone received the Holy Spirit baptism wearing trousers. Therefore, it means Holy Spirit validates the trouser wearing. In that case, he is assuming salvation or any of the graces is by works. Sorry sir, We receive from God by FAITH. There is the role of TEACHING. i thought he would remember this as a teacher himself. God can give you salvation, or sanctification, or Spirit baptism, even at a go(like the Cornelius household or apostle Paul). It does not mean that you are ALL right. There are still things you still need to learn and unlearn.[/s]

Offpoint.

[s]Two, he makes reference to what was prevalent a few years ago. Saying that a few years ago, it was a taboo for a christian woman to wear trousers. Well sir, many things have since changed also, doesn't make them right. Some things were more of culture too, not because of bible or christianity. A few years ago, it was also odd to be gay. A few years ago, it was rare to divorce and unheard of for pastors to commit immorality openly whatever the denomination. There was a lot of sanity i think, a few years ago. Both in the christian world and in the secular. A few years ago, you would rarely see christian brothers with beards even. There were many good things and bad things that have changed since a few years ago. So change or acceptance of something today is not a defence of it been right. Pastor Chris of all people should know that.[/s]

Offpoint again. Tell Sodom and Gomorrah that being gay was odd. Or better yet ask Paul why he wrote about it if it was not a thing in his time. Even in your snippet Pastor Chris already said the phenomenon had not changed. And it won't change. It will keep occurring in cycles. He was simply stating that the walls of ignorance concerning the subject matter have fallen today especially in Nigeria than it was in the past when ignorance, fear and religious bondage held sway. The work is still not done...apparently.

Unfortunately too, he showed something which i find a sad repeated occurence in almost all churches. That is man-worship. People follow or believe their pastor hook, line and sinker. He simply can do NO wrong. He showed this when he talked about a lady preacher coming to BLW to preach and how confidently he would erase all she was saying from the congregation's mind. Not too different from those who would not even allow guest preachers BTW. Then he went ahead to blatantly tell the audience that BELONG is different from PERTAIN, quoting Deuteronomy 22v5. And of course my people took it like it came as revelation straight from Mount Sinai hot. Sorry sir, pertain and belong are synonyms. They mean the same thing

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Paul would not even let Peter mislead people under his fold and so will Rev. Chris. That is sound. Belong and pertain are not the same. Research before posting so you won't make yourself look unlearned. Pertain is related to attributes and Belong is related to ownership. If that were not the case, care to tell us what type of clothing men and women wore in that day.

And by the way, i thought that the common argument was that Deuteronomy does not apply to christians or New Testament? Then it went to trousers is not only for men and was not mentioned? Now, the narrative has changed or what? From his explanation, we can all wear skirts, high heels, geles etc. Just make sure as a man that a woman has not worn it before, and vice versa.

That is why you must understand the context in which something is said before running off to either make doctrines or cast aspersions. In the US, I am very sure you know female Deeperlifers wear trousers? During NYSC the ladies wear it too. If it is wrong according to Deu 22:5 then it is wrong in US and during NYSC.

Among other things, he mentioned that Jesus Christ was not allowed in the synagogue that is why he went to the desert, and that Pharisees were not around Him etc. Well, that's not even what i want to talk about in the thread. But it just goes to show that people need to read and study the Bible for themselves. Many of these preachers simply just say things that are not there in the Bible.

Bad belle can make ignoramuses out of men. What a shame.

petra1:
It may be true .she might have gotten healed and itvcame back due to whatever reason. It is also possible she didn’t receive and she’s claiming it by faith from church to church hoping the affliction would be over. The third part could be a satanic set up for the purpose of rubishing the the ministry of healing . There was once a woman Satan used few years ago to try cause division among ministers. Claiming she had been to other churches and maltreated and they couldn’t deliver her despite the fact that they (allegedly )collected consultation money from her . she flattered each pastors how they delivered her unlike the other churches . She flattered you here and rubbish you there. Until she was exposed . She’s an agent of darkness .

But for this woman , she should be questioned . Let’s not throw stones until investigations . Some people do go to Programmes and pretend to be healed . I don’t know why . It does happen . We can’t deny the fact that some “false ministers” could have also been in the racket of faking healing . But we should deal with facts not assumptions lest we sin against God . The ministers here could have been victims of satanic set up. The video below shows the woman going from church to church lying to Pastors


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUERsNHAPf0

She was not healed and no it did not come back. God does not need us to defend lies told in his name. What we can not say definitively is that the Pastors were in on the act. If they were, may God deliver them from the disrepute they are bringing to his name. If they were not, they should learn to seek his presence more so they do not hastily lay their hands over anyone's head and partake in their sin like Paul admonished.

One thing is suspicious though. They are at least 3 videos online now with 3 different MOG "healing" this woman THE SAME WAY. That is what is troubling. And each of them released the videos. It makes we feel like it was an act. The lady in question also seemed to be capitalzing on the fact that she had a condition that could make her contort her hands that way. And because she could do that, many will like to see such "recontortion" on TV to make it look like a grand miracle.

It is a shame.

Father, purge your church.

He is very sound. I listen to him a lot via YouTube where most of his messages are. He walks in the power, sounds authentic and never criticises any man of God. He will go far.

May God have mercy on your soul and on the soul of anyone who reports this evil junk. I pray your spiritual eyes be open before it is too late. "I did not know" will not be a reasonable excuse when you stand before God. Never forget that.

The beauty of everything is..the people you scandalize and lie about never reply you or insult anybody. They mind their business and do what God has called them to do. And of course God keeps blessing them.

As for you...

Like I said earlier. God have mercy on you.

petra1:
If you open your eyes you will see the logo that the station he was preaching is loveworld .studio which pastor Chris opened over about 2 years ago

Of course, I am on record here saying it.

There has never been any praise-a-thorn where Rev Chris will tell people sow a $7 seed for 7 blessings etc.

He will always say "Give your best". Because everybody's best is different.

No manipulation. No gimmicks.

The difference between him and these men of self is...he will never castigate anyone. Even when he does not believe in what they teach.

But see how many selfish people started claiming it was their vision and revelation that made Pastor Benny say what he said.

OLAADEGBU:
Now tell me what Benny Hinn and Chris Oyakhilome have in common?

They love God genuinely.

They envy no man.

They walk in a healing gift that has not been as palpable since the days of the Apostles.

They give their all for the gospel

The word is the final arbiter for all their decisions.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are able to discern the times you would have discerned how God has begun to expose and expel Baal worshippers and witchcraft in His Church. If you are a member of the Synagogue of Satan, tell us how many times offering bags are passed around before and after your Baal priest mounts the altar? And if you are a captive in Loveworld cult tell us how you do not practise what Benny Hinn is now confessing. Did he make that confession in your ministry? and if not am sure you must have seen the confession. The earlier you wake up and smell the coffee the better it will be for you before it becomes too late.

LOOOOL

Pastor Benny Hinn said he started thinking down this line 2 or 3 years ago. Find out when he met Pastor Chris and then use your tongue to count your teeth. I wonder what part of Nairaland you were in when I even said that there were some things like "prayer shawls" and sow "$77" to reap harvest Pastor Chris has taught against, but unlike some disruptive people like you, he won't go on pulpits to insult men of God.

It is not like you need the info, but I have never stepped foot in synagogue for a second. That does not mean I will render him false even when I don't agree with some of his doctrines. It is the same way I do not agree with some of Pastor Kumuyi's or Oyedepo's or Adeboye's. I know they are all men of God all the same.

petra1:
The fact that he condemned demand of $1,000 for TV programme sponsorship doesn't change the fact that it's important for Christian's to give for the work of God . Pls dont misquote him to fight your war.

The bible is very clear that giving must be done according to faith of individual.


2Co 9:6 — 2Co 9:7
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

Secondly for those who said he should return money . I dont get you . You dont seem to get him. He was making reference to TBN broadcast . They do telethon yearly which is a special broadcast to raise money for TBN network. That's when they call for people to give $1,000 . But since he started broadcast with pastor Chris on loveworld USA . They only allow people to give as they are led . And he said the culture of the other TV station which place demand on specific amount Is not right . Now some even give more and others give less . Everyone is free to give

I have read delusional people online who said they are the ones who even preached to him. I laughed. Pastor Benny has come out to say he started thinking down this line 2 or 3 years ago. People who can discern will know the recent influence he came in contact with in that time span. He has done 2 shows now telling people exactly what he was referring to which is exactly what you have above.

generationz:
When they say read well before talking Nigerians won't and they will say people shouldn't call them lazy.

First of all

I don't do my father or papa
I take whatever teaching I can from any pastor I admire and the ones I don't agree with I discard. I only attend winners for the sake of going to church.

I believe you are a Christ embassy member and will defend your Chris oyakhilome at any cost.

Well that man preached heresy.
Even if the snipet was said before they divorced you and I know the wife clearly said the marriage had fallen apart a long time.

He said she was not submissive and she said he was emotionally distant. That message he preached was clearly attacking her from a bitter biased mind of his.

About saying he has two daughters broda I want to ask you are you a learner?

Don't people swear with their life they don't do one thing only to disguise to do it? Don't people tell you they are pastors and end up defrauding you?



Whether you agree with me or not that's your problem not mine.

Read up on my previous posts to have an idea about who you are engaging. "Papa" is what Living Faith worshipers call Bishop Oyedepo. Don't waste your time on the sophistry you are trying to employ about listening to different Pastors. That is garbage. Signed...sealed...delivered. He is a wonderful MOG by the way and I listen to some of his teachings when I am chanced.

Notwithstanding, his message about Job was absolute rubbish and extrabiblical. Just accept it and move on. It is one thing to argue barefaced scriptures and it is another thing to just mention a pure conjecture and call it word of God. On Bishop Oyedepo's best day he is not a teacher in the body of Christ. He does not have that office so I understand where the error must have come from.

As per the nonsense you are talking about, let me just LOL. I already told you that message was years before SHE divorced him. What I did not add was that he has preached series of messages along this line even as far back as the 80s (Yes, before he got married). Maybe that time, he was also bitter about a wife he had not married.

You are asking me about being a learner because you cannot extend your "bitter narrative" into his daughters since it countermands your rubbish point. That is the danger of conjectures.

Don't worry about Pastors saying one thing and meaning another. This particular one did not even use his pulpit to address men of self who castigated him on their own pulpits, so I wonder why you think he will use his message to lambaste a wife who he sought to keep in marriage when she wanted contrary.

I am not trying to convince you about anything o jare. Preach your imaginative figments and be happy.

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These pastors don't preach the whole truth as things dey shele.

Everyone know papa is a workaholic. Everyone knows it was papa's networking with Hagin, Idahosa, Adeboye and co that made him. Everyone knows it is his strategic planning and vision that has made winners what it is today


When you look at Winners and covenant university , you will know the founder is a Visionary. He isn't the average pastor. Strategic planning with applying every cent to futuristic realization of the goal.
That man runs the church and school like a fortune 500 company. You'll know the people at the elm of affairs know beyond prayers.

But they won't preach these things so much on the altar. You know why

95% of Christians don't want to grow and that's the truth. They are baby Christians. They want milk and not meat. They want:

Do A and you'll get B
Do C and you'll get D

Simple analysis to get wealth.

When A and C fail to produce result B and D they become angry and leave the church. Instead of sitting down and thinking where they went wrong . Where they went wrong in money management, self improvement, studying , networking etc. But most importantly what did wrong when they refused to ask the holy spirit for guidance but choose to follow pastors DIY manual.

Igbokwe thinks it is the spirit of his fathers house that is disturbing his business but it is the fact that he has terrible savings culture that is the problem.

Not that we don't fight spiritual battles but many Christians don't live a balanced life and live in constant fear.

These people apply Principles of hardwork , networking, smart work, continuous self improvement but teach you the half truth you want to hear.

They teach half truths for so long that even they don't know when they begin to spin autocratic webs of lies.
Just like Oyakhilome said man is master and women are slaves to their husbands. Any body listening to Oyakhilome knows the origin of that teaching comes from bitterness towards his wife. He is still very bitter and in his feelings about his failed marriage.



I'm sure if Oyedepo mingles with 30 of his church members who have been paying tithe for years and are still broke, He will reduce the way he pushes this tithing doctrine. The only avenue they get feedback from is testimony. Testimonies doesn't make up the life story of all the church members. People lie in some testimonies too.


He is only pushing this thing because like I said earlier it is what has worked for him for years. It has worked for his mentors and friends also. But it is also half truth because even he didn't rely only on tithing to get this far.


Like Benny Hinn kept repeating in that video he knows he will make many enemies by what he is saying.
People don't know pastors sef are humans like us.

Pastors also pay lip service to friends and mentors, fall into error, get influenced wrongly, and get confused too

That's why it is good to seek the lord yourself.

All these many words is to say even though my "papa" lied with the Bible and misled people he is still my papa. But look at other people who are not my papa. They are the bad people. LOL.

You people are funny. Call out the false teaching and move on. There is nothing you are saying here that makes up for the clear false teaching. A half-truth will mean some part of the fib is true but there is nothing in the Job not tithing narrative that is true. Simple and short.

As for the other nonsense about Pastor Chris being bitter about his wife. That is why it is good to focus on the issue in front of you insteading of talking about matters you have no clue about. That snippet from the actual message you heard was done in 2008/9 waaay before his wife divorced him. So I don't know the bitterness you are talking about. If you even decided to be mature, you would have tried to listen to the whole thing to even know at some point he reminded the congregation that he is a father to 2 DAUGHTERS and will naturally not want to preach a message that might be "detrimental" to them or their possible marriages.

But in your haste to defend your own papa, see your post above. LOL.

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Chief hypocrite of Nairaland. It is only a matter of time for you. I saw one thread where you were celebrating the purported sack of a Christian because you thought it was related to Prophet Joshua and I laughed. You shameless people will celebrate Boko Haram if they killed any Christian that does not worship the same way you do. It goes a long way to expose the kind of heart you have.

While you are going about spreading lies and using your double-standard. Remember when the harvest time is ready you will reap the same bountiful fruits.

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Fortunately i don't catch your drift, make sure you get an anchor soon. I can't afford your level of madness like i earlier said, don't hurt yourself. Work hard on your basic understanding of the English language. Ciao.

Color me surprised.

That is why I said LASPOTECH Christianity.

Sufferings for Christ is when Paul is accused of profaning the temple and leading people against the Jews (an allegation made by the Jews because he is leading people away from Judaism) but it stopped being suffering for Christ when his own fellow Christians who were former Jews persecuted him for not preaching the mixture of Christianity and Judaism that they themselves were doing.

Or false accusations for being Christian did not come because Paul was collecting offerings of which some of his own brethren went about telling people he was a lazy man who was fleecing the congregants of their hard earn monies. Something Jesus himself was also accused of.

But when it is another man in their day, it is not suffering for Christ. It is because he fell out with said brother or sister because of money. I laugh in double standard.

Basic understanding of English is not my problem. It is a basic understanding of gibberish that is.

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Off tangent as usual. You seem to have some kind of epileptic fit for holiness and scarves, nothing wrong with it. You reek of someone who previously had/has an older account on nairaland and thinks he knows me. Which again shows your hypocrisy and lying against me.
Again, get rid of your complex before it kills you literally. A man's life does not consist in the abundance of what he possesses. While i have never been to laspotech or know the school standards, i am certain that their products are not lesser humans or inferior creatures, like you try hard to imply. It is folks like you who have never stepped outside one or two states that usually have some bad air around. Like the so called laspotech christian are going to a lesser heaven, or are washed by Timothy's blood. Yet, you will hypocritically and sanctimoniously accuse others. Ask an interpreter and keep enjoying the atmosphere.

You are trying hard to appear spiritually learned. Just keep your messages about tithes and you are good. The other aspects are way above your pay grade.

LASPOTECH represents a culture of mediocrity and keeping it safe. One day we shall all be saved mentality. This sickness could be God's will theme. No weave-on wearer shall see the gates of heaven gospel. Your miracle is on the way congregation. Write my name in the book of life, remove my name, write my name back remove my name vaccilators.

MIT on the other hand, represents a culture of excellence. The God's best or nothing standard. Instant miracle. Exactly what the Bible says Christianity. Election by grace not works people. The Usain Bolts of this Christian relay race. The very ones to run with the baton during the final stretch as we await the master. You catch my drift. LOL.

How can I be offended if a hypocrite calls me a hypocrite? Is spirituality not judged by stringing sentences abi which Christian Constitution did you use to mock Prophet Joshua for not being literate?

The man has already said he is not competing with first class degree holders in Maths like some of the renowned GOs. His own is first class healings, prophecies and miracles o jare. It is not a sin to not be able to put words together.

God has accepted everybody. Including the people who don't know the different levels of sufferings for Christ.