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1. It is the inability of you guys to use your God given brains that is the problem
2. That a University is self sustaining does not mean they will make all their income from tuition haba! This is pretty standard
3. What is wrong with private sector part-funding aspects of the university? Was there not supposed to be a synergy between the academia and private sector in the first place? why do the private sector sponsor huge researches or hold professorial chairs or massively support academic foundations in the first place
4. What you guys fail to realise is that for the university to fulfil it's share of the development of this eco-system, it needs to leave the doldrums of the wanton neglect and the huge joke some of our universities are presently at. It may interest you that no Nigerian university make the top 400-500 in the world, what do we have then. What impact has our university made in our local economy beyond some scanty media blitz, that dies almost on arrival. In Europe and the States, the drug industry competes with IT and Oil and gas, yet in Nigeria, we have not gone beyond basic analgesic and oitments.... do the math, which one will be more beneficial, a LASU that will be qualitative, attract necessary support interm of investment, research and international clout, turn out product that will impact the local community or the current LASU that was struggling for funding to even sustain it's Laboratory. In 1997/98 there was protest in the Engineering Faculty; it was saddening that students in the Electronics & Computer Engineering department in the final year had not even seen a computer, yet lots of the computers that was facilitated by Late Prof. Agbalajobi and UN donor agencies were either not enough or outlived their usefulness. In Science Faculty in 1998 we led a protest and even invited the LTV and I think AIT, when our science lab were worse than we met it. Are these what is important just because we want the children of the "poor" to go to school I keep saying it, University Education is not for everybody.......

thoth: Usually at first the goverment removes it assistance from it and after a year or two the whole media will be crying everyday that LASU needs investment from the private sector or else it would close down, the media would be repeating all this whether it is true or false, then the buyers who has been waiting all along would just come and invest to save the school.
They would never explain to you that private investment to save the school means Privatising the school.
They would never bring up the option of goverment assistance since nobody wants that and if it was brought up they would tell you that the school is now independent and self sustaining as if that makes sense.
When people put more pressure for government support they will bring up the arguement that goverment can not manage the school to bring out its maximum potential, goverment is corrupt,government is lazy, government is complacent etc and what the school really needs are private investors who would run the school very well and make the school make more profit.
The masses are ignorant and they usually accept these explanations.

@teskyg
1. By all means you do not in any way belong to the category of people advised to return to their villages. Let's stop twisting the facts.
2. That you work in a Telecoms firm confirms the fact that you pay tax, and I want to believe that your company pays your settlement in Lagos, hence you have a basic accomodation. How does that qualify you as part of the people required to return to your village. Has anybody harrassed you on the streets of Lagos that you should return to your village......but that's beside the point.
3. Please there is no bad-belle in this issue. Lagos evolved as a commercial nerve center, by a combination of factors - former Capital, convergence and accessibility of its ports, the nature, culture and economy of the people, safety and security and the serene business climate. Match that with the innovativeness of those that have led Lagos.... Despite the fact that the Capital was relocated to Abuja, all major Federal ministries and parastals etc has that affected Lagos in anyway? Oil companies that left Lagos for PH and then Abuja are re-establishing their Lagos office (Shell, Total) not to talk of Mobil and Cheveron that refused to leave. A city is as boistrous and viable as it is envisioned to be.

4. Let's make something clear. Who are the people Fashola advised to return back to their hometown

a. A typical Olapade lands in Lagos, no relation, no association, no means of livelihood, nothing. He drops at Ojota, goes into the garrage to beg for food, place of shelter etc. Likely becomes "agbero", sleeps under the bridge or in shantees at Kuramo, Makoko, Akanimado (that was pulled down 3years ago) etc Fast forward 3-5years later his condition has not improved, he takes to other vices like joining street urchins and end up as petty thief or armed robber....
b. An Adamu, Haruna and Zainaba are picked from the streets of Kano, Zamfara and Nasarawa by an agent who promised them better life in Lagos. Drops them at Kano street in Ebute Metta. All they are expected to do is to beg for alms. They then return the agent's cut to him on daily basis. Lagos State government actually estimates that an average begger on the streets grosses in excess of 3,500 per day (that is like 42,000 a month).
c. Any of the A and B above impregnates or get impregnated. The child is born in the streets. The child is left off at age 3 to fend for himself. The child hit the street begging and stealing.
d. A, B and C and more grows into a substantial population. Then some people come to cry that Lagos State government is not taking care of the "poor"

For me the reality is that there is a difference between the poor and those that have on their own volition turn themselves into liabilities. The society will cannot abhor vaccum and will always self correct. It will be difficult for government to provide social services in Nigeria for many of these people. May be when we become more developed i.e. everybody has a social security identity, fraud is removed from the national/state census figures, the economy improves, the SME sector of the economy is fully matured and much more.

teskyg: Fashola is a good guy.He is doing a great job but we need a human face to be able to carry on the good work.I see a lot of comments from here asking people to go back to their villages if they find Lagos less attractive anymore.I worked in a Telecom firm and have to be base in Lagos cos this is where our head office is.There are a lot of people too who are in my position.A fiat decision by Government for all Banks,Telecoms,Embassy and other organisation to move their headoffices to Abuja will end the charade called Lagos.We just seen recently with the relocation of LNG to porthacout.
I will also like to point out that its wrong for people to advocate for settlement for displaced people especially those trading and leaving in Illegal areas.
You don't expect Fashola to settle an Aboki who turn the street to chicken market after relocation from his village in Sokoto to Lagos without following the laid down process of legally acquiring a business premises to do his business.

@Anvaller,

Thanks man, your advise is quite on the spot. It's what I have been thinking lately.

Don't worry about chicks hitting on me.........my madam is still "stunny hot"

Anvaller: Golf?... U definitely need more like u have said cos game of golf is mere recreation.. U need to go more into stuffs like squash, tennis, football and u know this will only make u drop weight and look fit but u may not have 6packs.. u have to hit the gym more regularly for 6packs... but good luck tho.. and u have to remember that more chicks would hit on u after ur 6packs ..lol.. ur wife needs to sit up..lol

I've been married for almost 10years and I am about starting my journey to 6-packs, although I am very fit, I play golf every weekend, but I want more. I've taken it as one of my 2013 project, after having done a lot of other stuffs that were priority......

Six packs is good. It make men healthy, you burn of the excess fat, it helps your metabolism and much more you look good in blazers and suits. It boost your confidence and enhances your "corporate appeal"

The Nigerian movie industry is besieged with many problems stunting its growth.
1. In the Nollywood English/Igbo dominated industries, I think the producers are a cabal and they dictate things. Recall a few years ago when they suspended some artists like Genevive, Omotola, RMD etc one of the accusations was that their charges were too high. I could not believe it when these artist had no one inviting them for films and some of them had to take to studio to record songs (even if that was not their calling, some of them were horrible singers)
2. The Yoruba industry is dominated by the clique you belong. The mode of operations will not make them pay much. If someone in a clique wants to produce a film, all of you will rally round that person and act for free for starters. The the person goes to sell and gives you "something" afterwards.

All in all, the industry is suffering because both situation stated up here are still very much stiffling the industry. We keep reeling out low budget and low quality films in the two Nollywoods. Nollywood needs to be librated, investor funding needs to be injected. I await a time when a Nigerian film will hit a budget of 1billion Naira...then we're talking

1. Mr. Man, your dellusion granduer is simply jaw dropping.
2. You are your beer-parlor friends are as ridiculous as your lame duck arguments here. I knew you'll be found out as no other but simply on a mission to discredit Fashola. No wonder you could not stand the heat of a credible and sound arguement.\
3. Sitting your but in France and throwing around loose bits and pieces of information that you claimed you got from some faceless friends is just as stupid as you posted them
4. Lagos state never hid the fact that the rail project is a PPP arrangement, hence you're not telling us anything new.
5. You're true to type, your ilks have been found out on this forum and yours is no different

thoth: The Rail Project was a wholesome scam to use the public funds to build investments for private exploitative individuals. The lagos state does not even run it according to this:
further enquiries pointed out that even after paying hundreds of Billions for the outdated,old and decommissioned train the Lagos state Goverment does not own up to 30% percent of it according to the CONCESSION AGREEMENT IT SIGNED WITH ITS PRIVATE INVESTORS.
Before tomorrow my friend would provide me with a scanned copy of the relevant parts of the Agreement and i will post it for all to see. Ignorant Nigerians don't know when they are being played. What is all those billions of tax payers money for if the government does not even own up to 40% of it nor can it even run it. Thieves .

I am uncivilized to participate in a public debate You're simply bereft of any sound thinking....do I sense you're frustrated?

thoth: Please what am i to take from this post of yours ? If you truly graduated from university from 14 years ago and we estimate your age from that information then it is either you are lieing or you are extremely uncivilised to participate in a public debate.

You're just simply ridiculous

thoth: May God save Nigerians from people like you.

So you think it is honorable to land in another man's country, with no credible and legitimate reason and (dubiously) seek asylum? Haba! no wonder you make case for .....

Did you just plan to sound ridiculous or what do you mean Fashola get's money to fund his project from.......?

cap28: but you have no problem landing in foreign countries and expecting the host country to give you political asylum and entitlement to state benefits - isnt it the tax payers of those countries that are footing the bill in such cases?

what is even funnier is the fact that the poor of lagos are actually subisiding the fat useless and corrupt state govt , where do you think Fashola is getting the money to fund most of his projects - let me give you a clue - it begins with a t and ends with an r.

My brother, abeg help me ask them once more o......

Eko Ile: So I just land lagos from my village poor with no money or place to stay. Now the government of lagos state must give me free or subsidized accommodation at the expense of lagos tax payers...

NL people and their comedic ideas sef.....lmao

1. When your heart is at the bottom of the hole it has sunk into, then may be you'll wake up to reality.
2. There is a huge difference between a Civil Servant and "those who hawk food on the street". For starters a Civil Servant pays tax. A Civil Servant is enumerated. A civil Servant is registered to pay for and enjoy the infrastructure and services provided by the government as a stakeholder.
3. Now, get something clear. Hawking food on the streets takes different dimensions. Even in advanced countries we have people hawking food on the streets and they make remitance to relevant authorities. For all you know, these people make good living. I am looking beyond these category of people. I am talking about the "Osanles" "Agberos", "Oraisas", their wives, the kids they breed, I am talking about people that will come to any open and available space, make ramschakle shelters, people who live in abandoned buildings etc.
4. I agree with you that some civil servants may live in unsavory states but that is a different issue. We are still an evolving society. There are different issues we have to battle with. Someone just raised the issue of family planning, population control, state of the economy in Nigeria, cost of living in Lagos in itself. You will even find in situation some people with decent clerical jobs in the private sector living in "room-and-palour". But let it not be lost on us that, some people actually take to living in these condition as a means of cutting their cost and expenses as well. I lived in Ikorodu for 7years. I watched the population in that axis baloon up. If you go to places like Imota, Igbogbo, Eyita etc you will be amazed that people you will rate within the low class; Mechanics, welders, vulcanizers, market-sellers etc are building their own houses.
5. Affordable housing is meant for all citizens that avails themselves to it....not "the poor" as you put it. There are various means of solving the housing problem, but truust me, if you're looking at a scenario where government will just build houses and "hand-out" it to the "poor", then you're talking of somewhere else. Therein lies my argument of the social contract. The only way people will be able to get the houses will be for a form of enumeration or registration. Besides government will not allocate a house to you if you don't have a legimate means of livelihood or you don't pay tax. Even the market women pay tax. There are tax collection kiosks in markets....so it will still revolve round the issue of on what basis will government provide houses for those people.
6. I just posted upthere that Lagos State government conducted it's own census. As lately as 2011, Fashola's government also had enumeration of houses. The government takes track of the people it's supposed to provide services for. The diffenrence will be the gap between those enumerated and those not, those that can be accounted for and those not. I am still waiting for your reaction on where to place the contribution of those displaced from slums in terms of taxes. Are they exempted?

cap28: my heart sinks when i read these kind of posts because i realise just how selfish, arrogant and greedy many nigerians are. What is the difference between a person who works in the civil service and a person who hawks food on the street - are both not victims of the same elitist govt? many of these so called civil servants can not even afford decent accommodation and live in unsanitary living conditions that no sane person in the western world would ever agree to live in.

what do you mean by those who have no legitimate business in lagos - most nigerians flock to lagos looking to find a means of livelihood so how can you describe such people as having no legitimate business in lagos - people like you are the same type of people who flock to western countries, throw away your nigerian passports and start pleading to be given political asylum in western countries - how would you feel if the authorities in those countries say to you - you have no legitimate business here, no means of livelihood and therefore need to be deported immediatley? how would you feel? many nigerians cross the sahara desert on foot and expose themselves to all sorts of hardship because they know that at the end of it they might just gain entry into a country with social safety provisions that cater to vulnerable people.

and for your information affordable housing is meant for the poorest people in society not the middle class, and as a matter of fact there is no middle class in nigeria because this group was wiped out in the 1980s when babangida started implementing the first wave of austerity measures known as SAP.

As far as knowing the number of people who reside in lagos state - is it not the job of the state govt to conduct regular censuses and collate a fully functional databse containing information about its residents?

1. You want to know what they have done or will do? Please simply avail yourself with the information in the public domain....telling you anything is worthless
2. It shows crass and crude ignorance on your part to say Lagos State ridiculously increased school fees. Have you been to any of the so called state universities? I graduated from LASU 14year ago. Do you believe we can continue to sustain what we call state universities at that rate? I have been to OSU, OSUA (Later UNAD) and they are even worse. It is only rational that the nexus between the state of some of our institution and the decline in employability is not far fetched. I am not even sure if any of the top organization will even give our State Universities any look, talkless of wanting to employ their fresh grads.
3. I have no idea of the project I am defending?? you're simply ridiculous....

thoth: Have you noticed how often you have used the word "will" ? Lagos state government will do this and do that , what has it actually done ? The only thing it has done is ridiculously increasing the tuition fees, if it has done anything else please tell us.
You have no idea of the projects you were defending and LASU will no longer be funded by the Lagos state which means it is no longer a state university ? What then is the work of the Government ?
If all you said is true then i guess they are on their way to privatise the university.
Your whole post lacks content and too arrogant to pick any useful point from. You might as well replace the whole write up with " i don't care" and it would be the same.

1. It is a big pity I could not finish my analysis yesterday...... but I will react to your counter arguements
2. Those whom government have social contract with are simply what it is. The people that voted the government in power, the opposition parties that did not vote the government yet have a stake in the system, the citizens.....what's difficult for you to get in that.
3. If anybody has no legitimate means of livelihood, lives under the bridges, in motorparks, robs at odd hours, continue to have babies they cannot care for only to leave them on the streets and never see them again, parents of kids that should be in school but are in hold up cleaning windshields etc. These people are better off returning to the village. They'll get better quality of life returning to farming, fishing or any artisanal job they do there. Have you being to those shanties we're talking about. Have you being to place where people pay for floor spaces to sleep per night? How will a city cope with the crowd that they do not have a hold on the data of their existence. For God's sakes there was a time where some people built ramshackle sheds are Olushosun dumpsite at Ojota........all in the name of they came to Lagos an hustle. The unfortunate thing is that this is what the western media will feast upon, creating a wrong impresssion of the state of things.
4. I make no apologies if my post reeks all the rubbish you posted down there, besides your jaundiced views deserves no better rebutal. Feel free to lay it on.....
5. I will not dignify your last line with an answer as obviously you're one of the lazy bones that sit abroad and throw banters at what you know little about.

thoth: What do you mean by those whom the Government has social contract with ?
Which people are the ones that have no legitimate business in Lagos ?
Your post reeks of arrogance and ignorance, a rash elitist view of the majority. I am quite tempted to ignore it but i won't. So i will ask you this simple question.
Since you know what affordable housing means can you tell us when and where the Lagos state government has provided one ?

1. Of course it is apparent you weren't raised in Nigeria, else one begins to wonder the reality of some of your submission with what is the reality in Lagos. Flash news I live here.
2. The facilities built in LASU is not my argument, I thought you'll have gotten that by now. The issue is Lagos State government has taken a decision to make LASU self sustaining. That means it will pay it Wages and operating cost, it will fund researches, paying research grants, it will embark on capital projects, it will take some addition risk in capital expenditure in terms of ventures etc. Please this is not the typical "political" projects you see in the media. This is about building and maintaing and academic community. If you're interested in the project, aside from the ones some forumites have given here, I can't help you.

2. I don't know where to place your further analysis on drop in university enrolment rates in Europe and the US, I don't know which authority you are and on which basis I would take this submission as sacrosant. But these are my arguments; (1) It is not compulsory for everybody to go to the university. University is not the only means of even getting a white collar job, so all the hoopla about.

to be continued........gotta go for now

thoth: I did not ask for insults but i would like you to list the facilities that were built in LASU and what it does. Provide an estimate for the number of students currently enrolled in the university and see other posters do the maths for you.
A number of nations put themselves in the situation that SOME of its universities DEPEND on goverment loans. A good example is the united states. The tuition fees kept increasing while the peoples income was still same so fewer students were able to enroll and for those schools to maintain its staff and ALREADY BUILT facilities in needs external assistance.
Somehow i believe you are confusing government sponsored research grants and facilities with government help, loans of this category does not have any link whatsoever with students tuition fees or the school subsistence. Those facilities were built for goverment research and for goverment interest.
Please give us a university in Europe as an example.
Mind you i was born and raised in France.

1. Government will only provide affordable house to those whom they have social contract with. Now when we have a gap between the supposed "poor" (who in reality their status in Lagos constitute an apparent problem) and the truly working class in Lagos (either Civil Servant, private sector employee, artisans and other business men)then those who are have no legitimate business in Lagos will subjected harsh realities. There are people that migrated into Lagos to seek greener pastures; well body is well within his/her right to seek greener pastures in new places, but when we have people with no visible means of livelihood, they seemingly end up in the wrong end of the equation.

2. I share your sentiments on provision of affordable housing. The Lagos State has launched a strategy in this regard as well; Fashola had announced this last year. But even with a provision of affordable housing, It is still the middle class that will benefit. You see those Makoko and most of the people in the shantees will not benefit. Those that argued that the option left for them is to go back to their state have a reason. (1) How will you benefit from those affordable houses if you don't pay tax (2) How will you benefit if Lagos State government don't have your records. Do you know the over 18-20million population of Lagos state actually from the estimated data of the housing enumeration and counts at the last censors. The people living in those shanties and slum can hardly be accounted for.

3. Please tell me what bad policies you're talking about. Save me that your "....read up what affordable housing means....." blabla, I am well conversant with it mind you.... so tell me something new.

thoth: Government providing AFFORDABLE HOUSING does not mean giving FREE accomodation and it does not mean building a scanty bungalow and selling if for 30 million naira.
Don't confuse the way civilised governments do things with the bad policies we are accustomed to.
Read up on what affordable housing means and how many nations with success stories have done theirs.

Your sister was once a VC and told you that income from school fees alone can build the infrastructure
1. That is damn ridiculous.
2. Either you're ignorant, economical with the truth or someone ran a mushroom administration.
3. Even notable universities in the world still rely on subventions, money from the institution foundations, private sector investments and support and government support.

thoth: My own very sister was once a Vice chancellor of a University in the Eastern part of Nigeria, let me tell you that just the tuition fees of the students for one year is twice enough to build those facilities. Just that they are termed as "Projects" does not make it expensive, they are just ordinary houses which people build everyday and equipments and books that is to be filled up in them does not cost that much either. You don't ask for increased tuition fees you ask for greater accountability on the Management. I don't see any reason they will be inflating prices and loot the school then get away with imposing more source of "Loot Money".
Just two things you have to rethink.
How many of these buildings are four storey high.
Do you see the kind of facilities they are building and what value it adds to the education OR how the cost of those facilities can be gotten from the facility itself.

The new fees is for fresh intakes only and not everyone, that's the truth the anti-fashola will continually ignore.

emiye: Improved infrastructure ! , Lots of construction going on in that school as i speak (Central Library, Senate House, Lecture Theathres , Sport centre, Zoological Garden e.t.c I will get pictures if chanced.

I also realise the increase affected the fresh intakes only (JAMBITES) Those in year 2 and above are not affected (do your research)

There is a clause for a Jambites who pays that much, Make 4.0 / 5.0 for the session and earn your tuition fee back + extras.

I agree the amount is on the high side, but sometimes trade off is the name of the game.

The answer is simple. Lagos State government has announced the decision to make LASU autonomous (or Semi); meaning that it becomes self sustaining.

luvinhubby: I've always asked why the fees for the only university owned by Lagos state govt was jerked from N25,000 to N250,000 & nobody has explained it till now.

@ emiye,

1. You beat me to this...though I'll have been harsher.
2. A minimum wage earner with an eligible ward for a University, has not other alternative but to look for additional means of generating income, if he truly wishes to send that ward to a Univerisity. What is critical is over 60% of the minimum wage cannot even feed both the single parent and the ward, so let's quit kidding ourselves
3. The so called "children of the poor" denied a chance of admission into the university itself is questionable. Even in developed countries, having a degree is no mean feat. We have parents that had put themselves through over 15years of aggressive savings so that their children can go to a Uni.
4. The sustainability of many of these Nigerian Universities, without ridiculous funding is a joke. Funding education and research is expensive and if we don't want to continue to churn out "unemployable graduates" we'd better get serious
5. You need not tell that family planning is the way to go, it is even stupid to raise kids you can't cater for. This is were "the poor" are skilled. The middle/high class keep the number of their kids to 2-3, and easily give them the best, the low class churns them out like litter of piglets.....and later lament when harsh realities come.

emiye: You people always come up with "earning minimum wage " examples all the time,
Why should you be earning minimum wage and have 17 years + children due for university ? Did you start working when the child was due for uni. education? Cut me some slack over all this simplistic bulllshitt.

While expecting the Government to do its own bit, it is important you do yours. You have limited control on the Government as an individual(elections every 4 years), but a greater control in shaping your family outlook.

With the current GDP per capita of the country, a budget of 5 trillion Naira for 170 million Nigerians, 500 billion naira for 18million Lagosians you will need to prove that socialism is the way out.

Our Politicians are greedy and selfish, but make no mistake the poor man on the street is likewise greedy and selfish. He only complains ,because he is not tall enough for his hand to reach the national cake.

Family planning for me is not limited to child spacing or bearing, it is an all encompassing tool that includes (number of children, savings/investment, housing, wards education) for the family.

I have seen many supposedly low income earners who has realised that times are hard and learnt to cut their coat according to their cloth,focused on priorities and in a matter of years turn around their fortunes.

Yes University education is not a guarantee of success, but it gives you a greater chance of competing and succeeding.

1. You're quite right.
2. If government continues to provide houses, it will largely get into the hands of those who can pay for them (these people have one or more houses in the first place.
3. On what basis will a government provide house for someone just because he "found his way to Lagos and is currently hustling" or because "he's poor".
4. I really love your suggestion and I think Fashola government is currently working the procedure of such a long term loan facilities. I think it can be taken further to a level where government identify some proven developers, jointly secures loan facilities for these developers to build massive low cost flats/estates. These can then be allocated to registerd Lagosians, who are tax paying and track record to have worked and lived in Lagos for a number of years....... even with this done, tell me how the supposedly "the poor" as painted in the article will qualify

Sibrah: Talking about Government providing houses, i don't exactly agree with that idea, what i expect the Lagos state government to do is provide low interest, long term Loans targeted at estate developers. This should reduce the cost burden developers usually try to offload to their clients within short periods and make housing lucrative for developer and affordable to clients as well.

My tots exactly.

It is a crying shame that the intelligence of the composer(s) of the article is really not up to scratch to creditably offer a challenge in terms of opposition criticism.

The obvious lack of objectivity in the write-up is appalling....[/quote]

You are a bloody liar.......

Afolabs101: And Ozumba Mbadiwe. The contractor has completely abandoned what they were doing for months now. But I'm sure it's hi-tech, therefore nothing will happen!

Madam,

1. I was hoping you'll have gotten my drift.
2. That the Husband helps out or not or that the husband is deemed lazy is to me virtually irrelevant. What is important is the sanctity of the home front and our efforts to build one.
3. A lady that keeps arguing about being "overworked" comes lazy on arrival(African (Yoruba) perspective). She's deemed not woman enough to handle her home front; besides a woman would be proud to do those home chores cos she's making the house how she's dreamt it to be.
4. I belong to a school of thought that says the home first and nothing should come between, even the job. If you allow a trivial issue of house chores to strain your marriage, then........
5. You see that lazy man, I can't hold brief for him. But it is my sincere hope that the wife didn't complain to you. If the madam married him and joyfully stay in the marriage and is happy then it well.
6. Leave the statistics of men that help their wives and men that don't. It will do no good. What I believe is that we have our strengths and weaknesses to complement each other. As clean, neat, prim and tidy my madam is, I still have some tiny areas I challenge. I rid of the house some of those plastic junks, I give out unsed items (I tell her she "over-keep" things), I hate seeing hair strands on combs on the bathroom cupboard. We did each others undies(not ashamed of that anyways) in the early days before washing machine came.
7. Yes there are men that are oroju........I agree....... but it's a crying shame to have women that are "oroju". That is why my 8year old daughter has been introduced to the kitchen on simple tasks like washing plates, cleaning the floor, serving me food (while I sit down cross-legged like my Dad used to).......moral is we have the duty to bring up our children to be ready to summount the tasks (9-5 or not)

mortee: You talk this way because you were taught, you learnt and you decided to become responsible. Before you accuse the women of talking with little wisdom, do a quick survey around you of how many men out of 10 help their wives with chores.

As for your number 5, I know a man who is too proud, or perhaps too lazy, to come out to clean gutters with his neighbours on sanitation days. He'll rather incur the wrath of his landlord and other tenants, or his wife in the bid to avoid such troubles, would go join the men in the "stuffs men handle".
This same man will not take in the clothes his wife washed before she travelled. He'll leave them out until days when she comes back and re-washes the clothes.
And don't say it's the woman's attitude. The guy himself admits he has "oroju" - whatever that means in English.

1. Some of you women folks have talked with little wisdom IMHO. I hope your Beijin advocation is restricted to NL, less you risk loosing ur men. The one that will out-do you in chores and "services" are out there
2. By default this is what your mothers prepared you for so why the protests.
3. I was brough well brought upj can do virtually all the house chores you women are complaining of. Can cook lots of food, all boys in my house can pound Yam, can do Amala pretty well. Ccook soups and stew. My mother taught us all that
4. My wife is a perfectionist. The only thing she wants me to do is to gyst with her whn she's in the kitchen. Then help hand the knife over and inconscequential stuffs. I probably do house chores one in a year or less, but those times I've been called upon ve pulled my own weight.
5. The reality is that the house chores are are for both. Maintenance, electrical works, Car wash, pack the gutter in ur frontage on environmental sanitation days,are stuffs men handle
6. Now helping my wife out is something I long to do but my workaholic madam always tells me to leave it many times (God bless her mum) cos you can't meet her standard in house cleaning. She'll still do it over again, even if you've done some. but I help is bathing the kids on sundays cos we have little time to make early morning service (our maid don't wok weekends)

My submission are these;
1. Women do your chores. Men do yours.
2. Men help out.
3. Women it is not a sin if men don't help out.
4. Men expect hell if you don't help out.
5. I love Aribisala's submission wrt send the right message/ example for our children

@ Bjayjay

1. Well nobody forced those graduates to take the program
2. Any graduate that is not satisfied should opt out.
3. It is idiotic for anybody to hope that after OYES, they will be converted to Civil Service. That in itself will make Aregbesola stupid. Civil service is a revered job and recruitment into it should be meticulously done. It is not an all comers affair. Besides you mean Aregbesola should balloon the workforce for no just cause when many states are struggling to cope with cost of maintenance of their government after being laden with monstrous wages and salaries
4. Some of you just rush to type here with little attention to process some of these things thru your brains.....

Bjayjay: Let him tell us whether if as a graduate he'll be collecting 10000naira cutting bushes on d expressway. The only reason most of them took d job was cos they thought they'll be absorbed into d civil service after their service. The no he employed are not even up to 10000. All na propaganda. All noise and no work to show for it. He's just a tout in d governors office.

@ DAMIGHT,

1. Short of saying the quality of your postings as reflected in tenses grossly misused here in itself in no wonder you flagrantly turned logic on it's head
2. The regurgitated 10,000 Naira logic is overspent and of no value. Aregbesola had from Day1 told you OYES is an empowerment and learning scheme and not focused to be a job. Each individual is supposed to exit the program after two years.
3. I thought some of the OYES corps were sent of training program to CUBA, We here about 40 will be sent to Germany. The focus of these foreign exchange program is to enhance their skills. Are these not better value to both Osun State government and the participants than to bicker over 10,000.
3. People like you are like the biblical Esau that sold their inheritance for a plate of porriage. You are so particular about what they will "eat" today than the value in the future.
4. Pray tell me, what is even the level of your education? How in the world will a government remove 1500 for "bank daft" Taxes I guess you probably meant.....and that is legit. We all as responsible citizens are bound to pay taxes.
5. My greatest concern is your quality of reasoning. I cry for this generation, when we stop reasoning where we're supposed to begin. I will rather you tear down Aregbesola with qualitative and well elucidate and analyzed arguments and not useless conjectures

DAMIGHT: Mr.man the #10,000 is notin in Nigeria ...he have the power to do better ,,,,he said 20,000 jobs ....he paid 10,000 naira for each and dnt 4get he will also remove 1500naira for bank daft out of the money,,,,(his pocket draft)..how much is 200mllion naira to the state allocation and to his personal embezzlement ? I PRAY SUCH JOB for U ,,u better reject it ..... Dnt u knw what public SPEECH iS ? Where govnr is expected to give speech on given matters or at a Special occations to genera public....Is that appropriate place to sing saheed osupa's song ? Or any music ? Or did we tell him we dnt have the song albulm at home ? Why can't Him go to Studio ? By the way ,,,where do u see fashola ACN govnrs mentor to sing such a song despite his performances talkless of this our NOISE making govnr ,,,,,,,,THE MAN TOO LoCal....just tell him to change...O'daboooooo na Next

;LWKMD

We are knowing PDP house boys 1by1[quote author=GARRI (x7)]And where did he mention Edo State PDP??

He said Anenih and his Cohorts.

Has Anenih decamped to CPC??[/quote]

Are both schools in Imo State

@NRI_PRIEST,

1. O ye of little thoughts.....
2. You're not saying anything new.
3. Isolated Statistics are dangerous in the hands of the uninformed and inexperienced. Check, a little girl from Anambra State came tops in WAEC and NECO automatically translates to Obi renovating schools You must be kidding me.
4. Have you related the isolated stats with the overall performance of the totality of Anambra State Students, Statistic of pass rate compared to previous years, pass rate compared of a benchmark, percentage of success in critical subjects like Maths and English Even the Federal government had built SPEB Schools across the country, yet we continue to witness overall massive failures
5. I found the underlined laughable. I'm tempted to think ....... I reserve my comments

For me the truth are these;
1. I think we should lay off unnecessary and informed sentiments and logic. Our Educational System across all states are in near dissaray.
2. Celebrating the little girl from Anambra state, though good, is a little inconsequential when you look at the overall picture. ThisDay of yesterday's headline "Another Mass Failure in NECO and WAEC".....that is the crying shame.

NRI PRIEST: That's the first time I'm hearing this; Given the fact that Lagos has the funds to transform their schools I would expect them to churn out excellent students year in year out.
Peter Obi did not just return all the missionary schools but he renovated and equiped every single one of them which provided the means for students to live in boarding school once again and this will enable them to focuse more on their studies. There has been a tremendous improvements in the performances of Anambra students at the Waec exams and this is just the beginning will are aiming for the orbit! Omanbala Obodo nyelu Igbo onu fa ji aba nba!

Do we see the reason why someone like Dangote will employ graduate drivers?

lukaino: you got it spot on. those BRT drivers are glorified Molue drivers; their past time is bullying other road users.
Lagos state Government should take a second look at training these drivers. the rickety look of the buses alone is a clear indication of their recklessness....

I bent down to prostrate(I am a bred Yoruba boy) for my mother-in-law in Pen Station Newyork and she stopped me midway, saying I can't do that in America. I simply told her "Mummy, Let them know I am an African".

@Sincere 9gerian,

1. I think you are either ignorant on this issue or plain insincere.
2. Tinubu's government was the first to return mission schools to their owners. You obiviously don't live in Lagos and knows little about Lagos for you to posit that not much was heard of the news. Reality is that this is something that has passed its time in Lagos.
3. Tinubu despite being a Muslim returned was fiercly criticized by the Muslim communities and Nigerian Unition of Teachers (NUT) in Lagos back then, depsite the fact that Ansar-ud-deen schools were amongs them.
4. Tinubu's government's model supported the mission schools for about 5years i.e. Children that were already in JSS1 were not to pay school fees till they completed their SS3, teachers in those Mission schools still had their salaries paid by Lagos State government for a period of 3years (I think) during which time they had the choice of transfering their services to such schools or staying with Lagos State government
5. Those schools were also supported with funds

These are the irrefutable facts
1. Other governors that are doing such (Obi and some SW governors) learnt the model from Tinubu's government. Gbenga Daniel(a PDP governor), who most likely was the second tried to do such in Ogun State back then but am not sure how successful he was
2. The higher objective of these initiative is multi-faceted. One is to correct the wrongs of the past i.e. hijacking the schools from their proprietors; (2) The reality is that government cannot solely run the education sector, the earlier government unburdens herself from the heavy laden of managing all the schools (Salaries, maintenance, quality of education etc) the better (3)The level of decadence in terms of morality and discipline is jaw dropping and we need strong institutions to curb it.
3. There is nothing larger or smaller scale in what Obi is doing(this is not to deny him credit. For starters he's not doing anything new, and this initiative is like a moving train, in that once you've decided to give back the schools to their original owners, equity demands that you will not be selective. What statistics tell you that there are more mission schools concentrated in Imo State? Do you know that Schools like Victory College and "The other one in Mushin" were owned by private individuals and Tinubu returned it to them as well, despite the arguement that government had expanded them and acquired more lands?

My tots are these;
1. Looking at things in isolation without looking at the big picture is pretty dangerous.
2. There is nothing ingenous in simply returning schools back to their original owners. At best it's the fairest and logical thing to do.
3. What is outstanding is that states that have done so or are currently doing so are sending signals of their intent to pursue a sustainable and lasting education strategy and plans. That is where I believe Obi's effort is commendable

Sincere 9gerian: Ok. Good to know that. But perhaps it didn't make news then because they were few. Also the approach in Anambra was different because the state govt still fund those schools well (teachers salaries and subventions) despite not owning those schools.