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@tomkint,
1. It's a pity you've simply give yourself away as another ignorant stereotype.
2. The Lagos State Waste Management has demonstrated it's capacity to turn waste to weatlh with veritable results. This electricity generation on this magnitude is just going to be an icing on the cake.
3. This same parastatal in thier recylcing plant in Ikorodu few years ago successfully turned waste into fertilizers of commercial quantity. Dangote bought them all.
4. The Lagos State recycling plant has consistently and continually partnered in some private sectors on turning waste into useful items like shoe soles, CD casings etc. It's still a learning process but huge work has been done. My business plan/project from business school was on waste-2-wealth and my team did extensive research work in Lagos and Barcelona. Even though Lagos strides is still a far cry from Barcelona, Lagos has acqually taken some steps in the right direction. No wonder Aregbesola sent the Osun team to Lagos for training.

tomakint: You just took the words of my mouth my guy, I have been hearing of this story since the inception of Tinubu since 1999 and till date, it is still the same ranting!

Hello,

1. Eko Atlantic City is not on paper o! Work is going steady on it. My office oversees the Ocean and I'm on the 13th floor. I see Eko Atlantic City every minute of the working day.
2. Lagos Light rail on paper?no wonder they say reading is the problem of blackman..your case is aggravated ignorance + reading

3. IPP? - Tinubu is on record to be the first governor to deliver IPP in Nigeria, with Enron, a partnership with Yinka Folawiyo Electric power company, Enron before the Enron-gate. This company is still near Egbin delivering power to the national grid since 2000/2001.

4. Lekki International Airport - Cool down, that one needs no rush. Logic tell us that Airports, Seaports, rail lines should be located pretty close to free trade Zone.

Meanwhile let me clea my doubt; exposure scale 1-10, what's your level?

nwabobo: Bunch of clowns;

Lagos light rail - On paper

Independent power plant - on paper

Eko Atlantic - On paper

Lekki international airport - paper


The list is endless

....Do you have money in your pocket, do you have legs Go to the motor park near you and take a bus to Osun State

Goddex: Simple question, has Aregbesola commissioned any new project in three years? Definitely, journalists will be there during the commissiong. Just show us the link and stop the deception of asking all of us to visit Osun first.

For me this report was skewed...... It's negatively painting the LAGBUS Scheme. The positives far outweigh the challenges listed. Some of the stats listed there are false and questionable. It's is not true that only about 150 buses operate daily......[quote author=nu-well]Hmmm...This is even more serious than I thought[/quote]

I don't know why the OP will start on a wicked lieing trip.....

I visited Osun in April..... to say I was impressed with what is currently going on is not even comparable to my admiration of the courage to embark on projects of such magnitude in Osun. I'm more impressed by the thought and actions un generating funds knowing Osun is not that "Wealthy"

Esss: I actually visited Osun State during easter and I must say I was impressed. Prolly the best Yoruba state capital after Lagos.

My brother, you have just "so oju abe nko" (hit the critical issue). I boarded the Blue BRT bus to work this morning and was apalled at the lack of care the management company pays to simple things. We don't expect Fashola to come from Alausa to help wash the bus, it was very dirty for starters. This is typical of workers where we're non-challant to some important things.

I think attending to low-lights like these are starters for the NURTW management. A simple N500 per bus per day at car-wash will not erode their profit.

AjanleKoko: It looks more like a management problem.
Truth is, the authorities may not have visibility into the problem. The personnel running the bus system are also Nigerians, and we all know how Nigerians love to be mavericks when nobody's paying close attention.

Hopefully the article will get the attention of the right people in government.

It is for this warped reasoning that we still have problem in this country

Afam4eva: I won't mind standing in front of you in a bus

@topic
The LASG should endeavour to provide more buses to align with the population. Afterall it's for this reason that LAgos state recieves massive allocation from the FG despite not being an oil producing state.

I think you may need to research more into the mode of Lagos BRT system. Trust me, the tried the model of the Licensing route with a company (what was their name), it didn't work.

You need to understand this is an evolving system and it takes some time to mature. the problem we have is with the blue buses, the ones run by the NURTW. It is my opinion to allow them also to mature. These are the molue owners and drivers in the old system and a way of achieving the win-win situation was also to bring them into the scheme and license them on the heavy loaded routes. Not to also forget that these guys have years of experience with "haulage" of crowd.

I sometime take the blue buses to work on Ikorodu road and my thoughts are these
1. It's currently a situation we can't help. The BRT system is outweighed by the Lagos population (BRT+Currnet Danfos & Buses, yet we're still crowded)
2. Increasing the buses on some route will make the BRT lanes to be crowded and will be jammed, worse off than the non priority lanes
3. BRT needs other transport system to complement transportation in Lagos. Until we go full blow on Lagos intra-city rail, we will still bear the burden for some time
4. Buying more buses will not solve the problem fully.
5. The Lagos State government needs to speed up the BRT assembly plant and maintenance workshops, so that regular maintenance can be carried out. I expect each of the BRT busses to be serviced every 5days, some consumable parts replaced every 2weeks and total overhaul or face-out every 15-24months.
[quote author=nu-well]True, bro. But the overcrowding in this case is a symptom of mismanagement. That's my contention. Most of the time, while buses are being overcrowded at one end of a route, several buses are standing empty at the other end. Imagine 90-minute to two hour intervals between bus arrivals! Haba! When is someone with a appointments to keep supposed to get about on such a schedule or non-schedule? The BRT is supposed to provide a model of quality service for the private bus operators. The only selling point the BRT system has in Lagos now is its relatively lower fares.[/quote]

I agree with you. But much more I think Okupe allowed Sowore to intimidate him by starting on the defensive. All the talk like accusing Sowore of talking bad about Nigeria was unnecessary. All he need to have done was to reign in on the positives that Jonathan government are doing to fight the Boko Haram menace, listing them in details....honestly he'll have simply floored Sowore.

You don't give someone like Fashola that opportunity and put him on the spot like that, Fashola would have taken Sowore to the cleaners. Okupe needed infallible stats for this argument.....

father ab: [size=20pt]DR OKUPE HAS SHOWN THAT HE IS IN HIS BEST WHEN FIRING ABUSES AT LAI MUHAMMED
BUT HE IS HIGHLY UNINTELLIGENT WHEN BROUGHT TO A HIGH-PROFILE PLATFORM WHERE BRAINS MEET[/size]

@ Wesley80,

1. Please save your laborious effort at fanning rich vs. poor sentiments. It is simply of little value in the scheme of things here.

2. Starting from your hopeless stats with the tendency to mislead people......93%? some of you need to be careful with the way you throw numbers....... But coming to the issue on ground, I ask you, Was harboring Makoko slum part of the master-plan of Lagos state?

3. Both the OP and yourself missed it completely and will continue to struggle albeit needlessly on the sentiments on Makoko. The fundamental issue is that who were the people of Makoko? Is Makoko extension part of the Lagos Master plan? The OP in a ridiculous attempt to be legit posted a 3D picture of someone else's proposal for Makoko extension. This proposal is yet to be submitted to government for approval (not even an application been made, no town planning consideration), yet the OP puts it up as a basis for comparison with Lagos Atlantic City.

4. For me, what is wrong with your likes, in your unnecessary crusade for "the poor" is that you knowledge is as poor as "the poor" you advocate for. Pray tell, on what basis will Lagos continue to habour the Makoki victims, the health hazard they posed was an issue tending to lead to an epidemic. Was Lagos supposed to shoulder their responsibility with tax payers money, when they obviously are not tax paying? Should anybody just go an take possession of an open space in Lagos and erect properties there and later claim intimdation of the poor when government now comes to boot them out?

5. Your knowledge and trend of what is currently happening in Lagos gives you away. You just sit on computer, google some stuffs, put it together and try to give an impression that you know what is current. On drainages, Lagos state government had been battling drainage problem state-wide since the days of Tinubu, with the creating of drain-duck. In the Last 2years Fashola's government has built and rebuilt more drainages across Lagos than any government in history of Lagos, not even Jakande. Houses along drainage channels have been pulled down for obstructing water flow, so why will Makoko be an exception

6. On the skill acquisition, your submission is as ridiculous as your postings. I've told you that you keep shooting blanks. As recent as the joint effort of Lagos State and Coshcaris with the mechanic schools, the Agric skill acquisition centers in Ikorodu and Epe apart from graduating a students are actually taking products to the market. We've said it times without number that some of you are damn too lazy, instead of conducting adequate research, he make false assumption. Lagos State has demonstrated that all her initiatives were borne out of well thought out plans. Your comparison of the skill acquisition model to the failures in the Niger Delta is grossly incorrect.

wesley80: Those images and ideas are impressive - granted, but of what effect are they on the majority of the poor populace? sadly, very little. The Niger Delta region has got loads of these Skill acquisition and rehabilitation centres dotting the entire region but they're are nothing but prestige and chest thumping structures for state govts and the oil companies that built them, nothing more - ala Lagos.
Perhaps you guys haven't been to these areas - these slums to see first hand how non-existent govt presence is. Perhaps you're yet to understand how immense govt assistant would transform the lives of thousands just by constructing say non - existent drainages, these areas are a complete mess purely out of neglect. The irony is that same govt. is painting roads , planting flowers and fixing street lights in the opposite side of town while in areas with millions crammed in, have not even the most basic facilities.
Those are the issues I expect you guys to be addressing not pictures of rehabilitation centres for area boys that are a menace to the elite - yes, I've not failed to notice. Impressive non-theless.

Honestly Naptu beat me to this topic and you've done justice to the topic with sound envidences. I'm too sleepy tonight but tomorrow I'll add some few things.

At times it is fool hardy to engage someone like you in a credible discourse. You submissions are bunch of incoherent and unclear statements, and I wonder the sense in it.

I don't need to stay in Osun, my frequent travels to Osun suffices for me to state some things clearly.

1. You don't even understand the OYES scheme. Is the OYES scheme a permanent job? So when the first set completed their service and graduated, that means they have been sacked to you

2. On the waste truck issue, you are just chasing shadows, regurgitating some vile-bellied senseless and baseless assumptions someone else told you. Was it lost on you that at the reconstitution of the waste management structure in Osun state, they actually were sent to Lagos for understudy and training. Trucks were purchased and distributed to cover strategic locations in Osun....result is that Osun State metropolis and many interiors are well taken care of in terms of waste management. Are you faulting that? I'm sure when Osun State starts recycling wasting and getting products out, you will probably be complaining that Aregbesola bought the recycling plant and sold it to the deputy governor at 2 x the price.......

3. On Alekuwodo, keep deluding yourself. I wonder what is making you vituperate like loose canon. where should drainage system be on a highway? in the middle of the road or hanging in the air?

Summary is that you come with little or no value to the discourse. I challenge you to criticize the Airport project or any of the projects in Osun, intelligently.....if you can...

olaezebala: Oga Ade please don't take it personal and thanks for confirming my statement that u didn't stay in osun state.

Yes he dismissed the first of oyes and the new set are not sure of payment even after passing thru training unless their names make it at the final computed list.

Waste truck issues? I need not write anywhere before I get info about osun cause I have the info right @ hand (even classified ones). Yes he gave out some of those trucks out at twice their prizes and the remaining ones were the ones purchased by the local governments (under oyinlola's administration) which he(aregbesola) forcefully take over.

500k weekly on sanitation? U don't stay in osun state so u might not know that for a very long time, most if not all local government do come with vehicles to pack dirt without budgeting such amount. Osun state has never been dirty or littlered with dirt. Try and search to see how many times osogbo was named the neatest state capital.

Mega school issue? U claimed that he has built mega schools but now u are asking me if he is not building them. Built and building aint the same Sir.Yes he's building one at Alekuwodu and pls show me where the remaining ones are and what percentage are they to nearing completion.

Baba God please purnish online liars ooo. Road expansion in Alekuwodo? Underground drainage? Haaaaaaaa, Daddy Kafaya fear God now. The fenced started right where the old alekuwodo road stopped so where on earth is the expansion u talked about? Underground drainage for ur mind abi? Nairalander gots see how osun state underground drainage look like very soon. I'll get pictures of Alekuwodo road and upload them here so others can see how underground drainage look like in osun state.

Someone close to me lost out in the past government? Damn you. I hate politics but hate politicians the more. I careless about anyone close to me that feeds from the tears and suffering of fellow Nigerians. Akande had his flaws and that's why Oyinlola was voted in. Oyinlola fumbled and Aregbesola came in. People are already seeing his flaws to and if he didn't work on them quick, trust osun people, he will be voted out to. That's the truth.

@Olaezebala,

1. Please save me all your negative sentiments.
2. So Aregbesola "dismissed" the first set of OYES tell me something.
3. Wrt to the waste trucks, whether he gave the trucks at twice or four times the amount....the issue is have we seen the impact of the cleanliness of Osun lately?. The answer is a resounding YES. From Ikire right to Osogbo, shows that there is a clear arrangement of waste management, collection, cleanliness of the streets etc
4. You must be a semi-illiterate. If 500k is spent by the local government (according to your spurious and unverified claims) so? 500k of what? compared to what? would you rather have a filth littered Osun state?
5. Are Mega schools being built or not? So it is a sin that the schools are yet to be completed? honestly the way some of us process things are jaw dropping
6. If I didn't pass through Alekuwodo on my last visit to Osogbo, I would have had the tendency of being misled by the cheap trick to paint the picture as you put it. In Alekuwodo, the road was expanded, hence some section of house had to go, there were median kerbs, side walks, underground drainages and street lights. A new dimension was to demarcate the boundary of the road with a perimeter fencing........is that a sin For the first time, I am seeing a pretty standard road built in Osun, yet to someone like you........

Well it is glaring, someone related to you had probably lost out with the previous government and you cannot see the changes going on even when shoved down your throat

olaezebala: u definitely don't stay in osun state if not u'll know that your oga dismissed the first set of oyes (20,000)
before taking the new set. So how did u get the 40,000 oyes o?


please whenever u are coming to online forum, pls back ur points with facts and figures. With ur claim here, how many people have being employed through ur so called investment? pls don't even think of FADAMA's project at all



do u have the slightest idea about the trucks u talked about? Oga gave out this trucks at twice their prize to the poor people and also, more than 500k is being spent by the local government weekly in the name of packing dirt



reduced school fees of uniosun alone right? do u that state owned higher institutions are currently on strike because oga didn't pay the staffs?



Daddy u can lie ooooooooo. Mega schools in all the local governmnt? haba !!! please upload pic of mega schools in just five local government and I apologize to u for saying u lied. The only mega school near completion is the one in Alekuwodo (osogbo) and in case u don't remember, this nov will be his third year in office.



last I checked about o'elders, Ogbeni said he's gonna pay some selected few as testing and i am yet to see anyone that got selected for payment. u can pls show me one ooo. free health care services? u must be kidding me. Go to Asubiaro state hospital and request to be treated for free. Are u a learner?



so local govt chairman work are now Aregbesola's project cause I can't remember where the one built by ogbeni is o.



Are u talking about isale aro-jaleyemi road or jaleyemi to old coca-cola cause those are the two roads I know that oga have completed while others are still receiving the usual dressing and kangaroo mobilization of workers without anything to show for it. Osogbo ilesa road as a case study, igbona-ayetoro-ikirun road also.



thanks to him for helping the federal govt ooooooo
There other things I cannot remember now eg. he supports Tourism, education, etc



As at now he ain't the best thing to happen to Osun. he is even the greatest mistake we osun people made. only those that are shying away from the truth will see him as a performer.

he pull down buildings in Alekuwodo in the name of road expansion only for him to start erecting fence and walk way. like seriously? Erecting fence from Ola iya to oke fia. I am yet to see the importance of such a wasteful spending.

Erected a large screen tv at oke-fia roundabout. How sensible is this? driving from gra to oke fia at night is hell cause the light of the screen enters my eyes directly and pls what economic importance does this initiative have for osun state?

O tree? like for real? people should come and collect free trees? this is one of his projects that can never be accounted for. If after a year He claimed to have distributed a million trees, where do u wanna trace the trees to? Embezzlement gallor.

Finally, do you know the debt profile of osun state? More than 200billion. which means Ur Oga borrowed an average of 100billion per year. by the time his celebrating his third year in office, the debt must have risen to 300billion.
He was shouting about his predecessor that borrowed 18 billion after he served for 7 years and he (the best gov according to u) already borrowed over 200billion in 2 years .
He is indeed the best

Your reasoning cannot seize to amaze me. Your question was that no one had advocated for true federalism, control of resources, contribution and equity distribution......... now I told you that was what the clamoured for SNC was to address, yet you come again with another ridiculous assertion.

I think you should quit arguments on stuffs you know little about.

Pray tell me how meaningful legislative action would have occurred when the true proponents of SNC are not in power

anonimi: The cry you refer to is just noise, simply put.
No meaningful legislative action despite at least two amendments to the 1999 constitution.
Hope you understand now?

1. Your big question is lame. or tell me what has been the cry from the NADECO days, to AD to AC to ACN. who are the people that have touted the need for a sovereign national conference most? what do you think is the purpose and intent of a sovereign national conference.

2. I am beginning to see you more in the light of the noise you want to make on this forum than substance you should contribute

anonimi: I can agree with the above portion of your post.
The big question is why has ACN not proposed true fiscal federalism based on revenue CONTRIBUTION as it was prior to the January 1966 coup of Nzeogwu.
Sheer HYPOCRISY and plain demagoguery tactics to whip up sentiments without taking appropriate legislative action
Anyone's guess.

misterh: Are you done? I talked about scale of preference. Tell me how the airport will be of benefit to Osun state. I made my comment based on what the op posted, i did not have to go look for outside sources before i make my comment on NL. Apart from Osogbo, tell me which other town in Osun state that engages in Rigorous economic activites. Is it Gbongan or Ede or Iree or Edun-Abon or Sekona. I don't know who is ignorant between you and i when i said that majority of the people in towns in Osun state are low income earners? D'you consider that arrogant? If not for OAU, Ife would have been just one of those towns. I still maintain my point when i said that the fund meant for such capital intensive venture can be better utilised for other ventures. Remember that Osun state's federal allocation is low and the IGR is not so encouraging.

PS: i don't entertain the use of abusive words on me.

1. What or whose scale of preference Do you think the state government just stupidly do projects for doing sakes? Well for starters, Osun State government had started the desired need for bring the Airport back in line with the holistic vision of turning Osun around from a "Civil Servant" state to a "Agro-commercial" center. I thought you'll also have known that the airport is also in line with the proposed Free-trade Zone, to enhance the synergy of exchange of trade both locally and internationally. The bilateral agreements signed with institution in Germany, Cuba and China are not supposed to be for nothing.

2. That you made the comment based on what the OP posted in itself is the crux of my difference. We are aware that even with the limited news of the OP, you can't just shoot off tangent, making baseless ascertions, when a whole lot of other stories back the basis up.

3. Meanwhile, let's not get over ourselves here. There are varying viewpoints on economic viabilities of places in Osun state and I hold no briefs for those cities. What you obviously fail to realise is that the premise of the airport is fundamentally based on a mix of Cargo and commercial. Osun State to me has demonstrated a well articulated and integrated and long time view of how they intend to move goods that will be produced in the aggressive-Agriculture driven proposed economy. This is beyond the limited profiling you're doing to the inhabitants. It is simple. It is not about how you see the people now, but how the leaders see Osun state.

4. But pray tell, how has Osun state been on aggressive infrastructural development projects? Have the government failed in road construction and infrastructural development, education, health etc Whatever you meant by the "fund meant for such capital intensive venture can be better utilised for other ventures" is defeated on arrival by the fact that Osun State government has consistently demonstrated that all it's programs had gone through a rigorous thought process and planning. I was in Osun State 3weeks ago and I saw things for myself. I was in Ilesa last year and I saw how the government did tackle flooding issues.

5. Back to the crux of the arguement. What will the airport be meant for From airfreghting heavy duty goods, especially the short-lead items, to international export of some target agricultural produce, importation and trasition of goods for the free trade zone, PPP arrangement for commercial flights (The Airforce has indicated interest in operating commercial flights, as part of their investment drive)... the possibilities are limitless

6. .and save me of the "Osun State federal allocation" crap. For me any state that has a will, good leadership, vision and drive should self sustain. We are fooling ourselves with this federal allocation nonsense. The rent seeking culture that has driven the economy to near comatose, made disproportionate distribution on natural wealth, aided corruption and made some states lazy....is what you think will be the basis of continous viability of a state that will be very unfortunate


meanwhile, insulting you is far from it, insulting your questionable submission will be closer there

@ Misterh,

1. Your basic economics is a watery as the whole lameduck analysis many of you tried to put up here; infact stewwwwpidddddd
2. Many of you are just simply NL irritants that just type garbagge without bearing.
3. If you'd taken time to go digg up information and not rely on regurgitations on Nairaland like many of you guys so shamelessly do,you'll have known the economic and bilaterial importance, strategic allainces that has been worked out and the commercial nature of the proposed Airport. Many of you guys are simply annoying dull, just like half education being worse off than illetracy.
4. Who told you some of the basic things are not taken care of flip to today's ThisDay's newspaper, page 36d & 36e, where the achievements of those better issues are reported even with focus on the topic "From ancient to Modern Cities"
5. I cry within me for this generation. We are simply becoming unintelligent, intellectually lazy and near waste of intellectual investment. I welcome a very deep, well ellucidated and thoroughly analyzed opposing views, but not meaningless misinformation and bad belle.
6. "Others are small towns and low income earners" If this is not share foolish ignorance, then it can't be any more than brazzen arrogance

misterh: This is not about remaining stagnant. It's called scale of preference in basic economics. There are better issues to contend with. The capital city, Osogbo is the only place where enough economic activities take place. Others are just small towns where majority of the people there are low income earners. It's not to bulid airports but will airlines patronise your airport?

esere826: Great
If you've seen those boats meander past the bridge in low tides and high tides
then the commitee of NL engineers (with all objectivity) hereby declare the bridge a suspension bridge at some parts
for indeed having some utility

Apparently, the available pix's are quite deceptful

"Deceptfully" explain what that means??

1. I have been on PREST LUNCH CRUISE and we did pass under the bridge to u-turn shortly before the dridge that links Bonny Camp; which obviously was too low for the Prest Boat. But I confirm, PREST, the biggest cruise boat around in Lagos can conveniently pass under the bridge

2. I lived in Ikorodu for 8yrs (moved out mid 2011). I used to take ferries to VI, dropping off at Addax @ Ozumba. Ferries pass under the bridge quit easily even when construction was at its peak, it did not disturb flow of water traffic

naptu2: About the boat thing

1) Like I said, I've seen Otedola's yacht, Prest Lunch Cruise and SeaCat sail under this bridge (with my own eyes). These are the largest boats in Lagos.

2) It's not just about the height of this bridge. Before you get to this section of Five Cowry Creek, you must sail under Onikan and Five Cowry (Falomo) bridges. Even if you are coming from the other direction (Lagos Lagoon), you must sail under Eko, Carter and Third Mainland Bridges. Any boat that can sail under these bridges can sail under the Lekki-Ikoyi Link Bridge.

With due respect, you've just yarned OP. Not taking your entitlement of your opinion from you, but the value of the analogy of 2 critical point he's drawn are valid lessons for us all to ponder upon globaly. These may even be more valuable than the speech itself

1. The plight and perspective of a Muslim who will have to go through the brunt, negative implication and consequences, embarrassment, persecution etc. that ordinary Muslims will be subjected to. Will they not be better off declining invitations like Fashola was wont to do?

2. The perspective of the "indigene", who feels we foreigners have come to take their entitlements in there lands and our brothers causing chaos. If a typical American citizen feels a governor of a state in another country is depriving him/her of rights she's entitled to first.......these are critical lessons Fashola is pointing out on realities of diversity.

3. .....and before you write ridiculous insinuations i.e. "petty lawyer"; don't you think pondering on some deep things will serve you better?[quote author=Mr. Globe]well you are entitled to your paid opinion. What's it with Fashola always starting his address by stating he did not initially want to attend the conference/seminar but later changed his mind. The same thing he said at Achebe's colloquium. Fashola should take lessons on how to start a speech. He comes across as a petty lawyer.[/quote]

See Mr. Azuka Onwuka, my church member fall my hand for here o.

I find the article of virtually little or no value, shameful and bereft of any sound idea and toxic. When we begin to make "overtures" to businessmen to situate businesses to fulfil ethnic balancing, then we are killing the economy. I'm all the more disappointed because the article looks to me like a subtle plea to Dangote to bring the proposed Refinery to Igbo land, another faux pas; first off refineries are logically situated close to the source of "raw materials" and no private businessman will engage on the Kaduna Refinery concept, where the cost of building and maintaining the over 800km pipeline outweigh the cost of the refinery.

Mr. Azuka comes to me as bigot-oriented writer. He has never impressed me much as a writer anyways (I see him more as a yet-to-be-matured writer). In his write-up on the nations cup, despite the fact that he tried to reinforce "team spirt" as a main critical success factor for SE, he still took a jibe at his percieved "enemies" who he alledged branded the team Igbo.....

My challenge with him is that he needs to be careful. He'll simply "write" himself out of relevance with his toxic articles.

Reading thru your writeup, I will still refer you to the bolded and underlined below.....

saintneo: don't be deceived by the mere filtration you receive. Let's be civil and avoid using insults and tribalism.

Tinubu is very influencing in the SW. A man that was able withstand the pressures of OBJs government, yet he produced results - BRT scheme, etc.

If a family eats amala & ewedu 24/7, with no experience of any food will believe that amala is the only food in the universe. And if this food is cooked by the same cook, is it not proper to say the cook has influenced the choice of food.

What am I driving at? What is my perspective? What is my insight? Humans are like herds, they tend to be influenced easily. If Tinubu and his protégés remain in this relay-marathon, Lagosians will never experience anything different for the many years to come.

Let us do the right thing is what is important.

amarilo: Then you honestly think they will not bribe the people incharge of this project.

@ypzianti,

1. I think this is what we should all advocate for. There are many ways this real certification can be made possible. First off is that each prospective driver should be made to go through a Computer Based Test (CBT) that will be authenticated by the finger-print or retina scan of the prospective driver. There-in we will reduce the eliment of fraud. Then each driver can also be made to go through practical tests, supervised by authorized certification personnel. People can actually apply to government to be an approved certification personnel, go through some forms of certification. Now they will supervise the practical aspects, prospective drivers will pay for their time and will be the one to endorse their reports. The approvers' endorsement is attached drivers license's data, so that we can mark pattern of infractions and check the endorsers quality..........There are many ways around this, but we must be willing to do the right thing.

ypzilanti: This is a good idea so long as there is a real certification course. I mean a really proffesional license that you cannot bribe to get. Are you all not tired of getting rammed and injured by commercial drivers?

How many times have tankers destroyed peoples lives in Lagos? In fact they should go further and add a literacy test so that only educated people drive vehicles that can easily turn to mass murder machines in the hands of touts.

Nigerians are not ready for positive change, apparently. Even if government is using it as arevenue drive, so be it. So long as the drivers are not cutting corners and get the proper training.

@tomzman,

In a sane fedration, the move by the Lagos State is very necessary and valid. The federal government will be too pre-occupied with other national issues to be burned with drivers certification. In a sane Federation, FRSC's powers will be witled down and state agencies will be more empowered to manage traffic, road safety and managements within their domain effectively

tomzman: I think you have made a point. I agree with you. I remember the day I boarded a commercial vehicle, I brought out the highway code and started reading it. The driver was suprised and said he never bought nor read the book. I wonder how he got his licence if at all he has. In a sane federation however, this move by Lagos State is unnecessary.

....Stop getting to emotional over nothing. If you're satisfied in living in a chatioc society unfortunately Lagos is not. You're simply ridiculous. What is "devilish, Selfish, wicked and satanic" in asking drivers that will move heavy duty goods on Lagos roads to go through some form of certification.....

Hardfact: Yes, some people are too shortsighted for their own good and survival...
Yet even worse is the fact the people in Lagos State govt are too longsighted for their own devilish, selfish, wicked, policies and satanic agenda.
The people of Lagos are simply fed with the tyranny being played out Fashola and co. Even any good moves by the govt can now be misconstrued.

At least there was sight test and road test and proof of insurance. Match that with Nigeria where there have been practically no test. Is that not the more worrisome

purpleclouds: That's not true at all. I recently got my license in the US and it was a simple sight test and road test and proof of insurance. I only had to pay for the license which was a small fee.

@qwest,

in a much as I see your point bit part and agree with some, I cannot fail to point out some inconsistences in your input
1. What is the nexus between LASDRI and stiffling of businesses??
2. Each state is well withing their right to organize and license drivers that will drive vehicles on the roads they've built and have jurisdiction over. More over states can collaborate in exchange programs, in terms of training and cross licensing, hence all 36 states can cross license, that is not a problem. The important thing is that we need to get out of the mess where drivers licenses are delivered to us all at home, yet we did not go through any form of standard training or certification
3. I am very familiar with NIMC, and I can tell you that NIMC will be the central repository and mediation of identity management; it does not remove the rights of states and agencies to register data/identities under what they have jurisdiction. INEC, LASTMA, FRSC, PHCN etc will still handle their registrations and all at some point will be warehoused under NIMC. Secondly NIMC is yet to hit the ground running, and not all states and agencies will wait for NIMC. Ondo states and Lagos States are commencing/updating their databases for headcounts, house counts and other strategic purposes. We have to strike a balance. All these ideally will be warehoused under NIMC at one time in the nearest future if it's successfully taken off.
4. I also think you're wrong on the hackney permits and all other permit issues. I have a vehicle with a commercial number. I paid 18k and got all the necessary permits in a Local government in Lagos. I was duly informed that it covers all the local governments in Nigeria. in the documents I even have receipts and stickers for other states East, west, North and south. I have the Local government badges etc. This is one area where all the local government have collaborated.
5. All said, I think it is important that we acknowledge the need to do the right thing and safe-gards lives. I have been driving since 1993, I never for one day did any driving certification exam with any Licensing body, I have mostly walked up to the gates of FRSC in agidingbi, paid any of the officers some token, filled a form, return the next week and voila my license is ready. A collegue of mine have gotten license for the wife who's yet to start learning how to drive. Many of the commercial drivers don't even have driving licenses. They've mostly paid their way through any time it's requested......So on the weight of all these, I find it absurd that what many see to it on this page is "additional reveneu for Lagos State"

qwest: These multiplicity of fees and costs is stifling businesses. Not only are they planning on a separate licensing and training programme, they are also starting a separate identification and card for the Lagos area. The same identification database the NIM is due to resume collation for this April. There should be a harmonisation of such things, taxes, fines, agencies and what not. I shouldn't be running a company in Ogun and have to pay hackney permit, local govt and municipal permits, licenses, etc after having paid at the federal and state levels; then have to pay for another state's when I transport my goods to that state. Too much bureaucracy stifles businesses, innovation and entrepreneurship.

@confusion247,

with due respect, your statement here is more like that from a confused mind. Pray tell, what other change are you expecting from the leaders in this regard other than restoring sanity to driving on the roads by making sure that drivers go through necessary screening.

What condition of roads are you harping about you seat in your backwater state in the east and keep talking about things you know nothing about. Indulging you in your "state of the road" dellusion, does it not make sense to you that roads will be preserved, when the problems of drivers that contribute partly to the state of disrepair are addressed. Some of your are naturally warped in your reasoning.

confusion247: Yes, Nigerians want a change and that change must come from the leaders first. As you said Abroad is good but you failed to tell us how is the condition of roads abroad. Bad government leads to bad road and that also leads to bad driving. First things first.

First of wikipedia is not an an academically approved source of information. Wikipedia is an open source information portal, contributed by virtually anybody, subsceptible to flaws and errors and corrected in time

The Federal Bereau of Statistics is the central point of statistical data in any country, even the CBN, and Economists and institution ideally source and validate their data with the realease of the Federal Bereau of Statistics. In my last Academic program, that was the data we relied on for economic analysis.

Number crunching and analysis takes into consideration divers factors, (Save for referring you to the original documents,which will tell you the factors and basis of the data). I think you are doing yourself some academic and intellectual disservice with your blind, bland and camaradarie NL arguments that bears nothing in the scheme of things.

You're better of doing indepth research and whatever the findings, you either live with it or deal with it. If Osun State is the second least poverty state, so what? what trophy did it give you or deny you of? but check some important points, when Osun announced the creation of 40,000 jobs with OYES, that in itself is a strong statement of intent, the multiplier effect of the graduated 40,000 members in creating jobs thru businesses they start are key inputs.

Now why so much venom because it's Osun? for God's sales Niger state came tops, do you fault that as well??

kettykings: Thank you very much for the Update , but what factors did NBS use in arriving at these result and how come this result does not tally with other economic indices from CBN and from even wiki

Wao!!!!

Are you juvenile in your resonining or plain daft......

so lifting isolated crime stories from articles is your justification of the mainstay of Osun economy.......SMH

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