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kayjordan:
No, simply because it will take millions of years to achieve that but certainly they will get a pre-result over a period of years.

So let's wait until they do before telling people to rate scientists above God's word.
My own grandma could do better than you so called scientists. She planted her own yam, tomatoes, pepper and palm trees then she CREATED pounded yam and soup that kept us growing up until now. So your scientists are nothing but fraudulent liars claiming what they are not!

chieveboy:
But all letters to Ephesians, Galatians, Etc are generated by humans to humans. The information inside these letters are very basic, elementary and very limited in scope.

Now you are trying to make sense with your thread.
Writers of Bible books claimed they were inspired by God {2Timothy 3:16} and so what they wrote makes adherents virtuous individuals.

chieveboy:
Most of the old testament is about History as a subject. This history of Israelites and the numerous gods which competed for their attention.
In Africa and around the world, we have sophisticated accounts of human history with men and gods competing for their attention. Each God is the almighty according to these histories.

The Old Testament shows how the Bible God became the most important of all those claiming Gods on this planet but you can present your own God and tell me what attracted you to your own God.

chieveboy:
Again, what is your point?
Is the human being who created the religion of Christianity your God?

NO!
No human created Christianity otherwise the religion won't claim being the most peaceful group on planet earth.
So it's God using His only begotten Son who was described as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that created a religion capable of gathering all peace loving people globally to form one organization! Isaiah 2:2-4

kayjordan:
You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?
Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?

According to the Bible whatever anyone does all are guilty until we go out and start talking about how to help the so called culprits so that they can have a change of heart using God's word.
Whoever focuses on what the criminal did but failed to figure out what made a normal human become so frustrated into becoming a criminal is also guilty of that crime because you are not ready to help!🙂

chieveboy:
It's enticing to jump on my threads, but can your IQ cope?

Humans made AI.
Humans made the Bible
A human made Christianity

What is your point?

The highlighted is your problem because the information contained in the Bible doesn't belong to humans it's collecting the informations together that humans did.
So unlike your AI god where humans feeds it the information to give back to them informations found in the Bible are from the divine something that's beyond human wisdom!🙂

kayjordan:
There have been series of genetic mutations and experiments conducted by scientists. Reproductive specimens have been experimented on in labs to create alternative knowledge of how humans developed into beings.
The difference between the Bible's discoveries and Scientists' discoveries is = VERIFIED PROCESS.

You haven't answered my question.

Can any scientist experiment how their discoveries could bring about a living tiger out of the tiny-like tadpoles they make by themselves?

YES or NO?

kayjordan:
That's why I asked you the CCTV question - which I will type out for you again in the next bubble.

Go ahead Sir!

chieveboy:
Your argument about humans making AI is weak. They made it yes,

Walahi talahi you are the funniest on this forum!

So you admit your god was made by humans?😂

kayjordan:
I haven't changed the subject. The subject was thoroughly answered.

The person behind the foreknowledge of scientific inquiry from your perspective (Bible), can only be answered by you

Simple: GOD!🙂

What exactly is your question about CCTV?🙂

honesttalk21:
Does your Bible say that? Which is to be believed you or your Bible where they are said to be gods

This is what Jesus called impersonators

All those who have come in place of me are THIEVES and PLUNDERERS; but the sheep have not listened to them. John 10:8

So all those claiming they are gods are THIEVES according to Jesus of Nazareth.

QuinQ:
So how does your theses jive with these quotations from Revelation 20 below, and the pictograph quotations?
The first quote says which humans will be thrown in the Lake. The second quote says what happens in the Lake.

Since you don't believe what God's word said about His capital punishment:
The wages of sin is death how can you understand Idioms?
Death, Hell and evildoers will be thrown into the lake of fire {Revelations 20:14-15} which means all of them will longer exist {Revelation 21:3-4} what you find difficult to grasp now is how they will be tormented forever.
Even if i tell you you won't believe since you are bent on the idea that God must roast living creatures in fire!🙂

kayjordan:
Life began as a group of tiny-like tadpole organisms that developed in stages over a period of time on earth.

Can any scientist experiment this thing from scratch so that he/she first create a tiny-like tadpoles organisms and make them develop into a living creature like a tiger?
Ọmọ there is no difference between what they taught you and what the Bible said regarding how life began on planet earth.
Nobody can experiment any of the two from scratch so why should i believe one above another?
The only reason that could make me believe one above another is when that one says what has not happened before and actualize it.
Scientists can't predict what they will discover that has never been seen or the process has never been experimented before but God's word did that!🙂

You are welcome, know today that the Bible is the one and only living word of God your AI God can't do nothing!🙂

chieveboy:
Your contributions are noted. I think the audience would make of them what they will. Thanks.

So you don't know exactly what "living" connotes when talking about the Bible if your AI God doesn't have all the characteristics of a living thing then you are deceiving yourself!🙂

chieveboy:
I think this is where you come in with yours for the Bible. I have given you a few.

kayjordan:
"Show me the process, not the result" - says the Wise ones!

Can any scientist show me the process of how life began?

Don't change the subject!🙂
Someone revealed to those ancient Bible writers what is known today as gravity, talked about the shape of the earth, water circle and also said earth is the only planet that is habitable thousands of years before scientists discovered all these things .

The question is:

Who is behind such foreknowledge even before scientists began making their own research?🙂

kayjordan:
The reason I will place scientists above God is because they show "processes" as evidence of discoveries. Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences. You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct? Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?

Movement
Respiration
Sensitivity
Growth
Reproduction
Excretion
Nutrition
Seven characteristics.
Now mention each and how your AI God relates!🙂

chieveboy:
Did you noticed you have evaded all questions asked you so far?
1: Do you study the Bible to become pilots, mechanics, surgeons etc?
2: How is a the static book/Bible a Living thing or word? How is it more living than the words of Martha Stewart in her cook book?
-AI is alive in that is constantly updated. This is the respiratory, nutritive aspect of it.
- AI can sense wrong data or information and provide the correct one.
- AI is used to provide countless other digital products and is key in manufacturing processes and control of factors of production via automation etc.
- AI's information database encompasses virtually all human endeavour past and present. It is not restricted to Israel.
The Bible is
-Sealed and accepts no update (non dynamic
- No corrections, is not interactive, only has information about what occurred in Israel mostly
- extremely limited in database.

chieveboy:
Thanks to AI, now you have provided the characteristics of living things. I suppose you laughed at yourself when you said its "continuous existence" .
Now based on what you provided lately, can rate your previous response to the definition of the word 'Living' ?
Can you define the word Living now?

After seeing the characteristics of the living thing in what way is your AI God a living thing?

Ọmọ you don't know what you are trying to imply. God's word is alive that is what the Bible says. Hebrews 4:12

Why not explain how your AI God is alive since i've explained what the Bible means regarding the living word of God?🙂

kayjordan:
Fantastic questions!
The scientists discovered gravity, shape of earth and other discoveries mostly in the 16th and 17th century.

All these things has been WRITTEN in God's word (Bible) since thousands of years ago!

So how come you want to place your scientists above God's word?

chieveboy:
In primary school, we had characteristics of living things. Continuous existence isn't one.

What are the CHARACTERISTICS of the LIVING THING?
Sometimes when you people come just to argue aimlessly i laugh at your level of ignorance?
For your information living things do these things:
Movement
Respiration
Sensitivity
Growth
Reproduction
Excretion
Nutrition
Are you sure you know what you are trying to imply now?
Does your AI God have all the characteristics mentioned above?🙂

chieveboy:
Define the word 'Living'.

Continuous existence.
So only the Bible has what it takes for people to continue living AI can't settle disputes among it's users when they disagree it's weapons they will reach out for and the next thing is killing one another only the Bible can resolve issues among it's adherents!🙂

God's highest form of judging is death! Romans 6:23
Not roasting living creatures!

Newlight777:
If burning living creatures in fire is something THE TRUE GOD detests, then that should tell us something important about HIS nature. Jeremiah 7:31 says that burning sons and daughters in fire was something HE “commanded not, neither came it into HIS heart.” The scripture consistently reveals GOD ALMIGHTIEST as just, holy, and righteous, not cruel or sadistic.
Judgment in scripture is real, but we must be careful not to project human traditions into the text beyond what is actually written. Many people inherited ideas about eternal torture without examining all the passages carefully in context. THE LORD takes no pleasure in wickedness or destruction. HIS desire is repentance, restoration, truth, and life.

Where we get the LIVING WORD is what you said and only the Bible has that!🙂

chieveboy:
Oh that's your line of reasoning at work. You said AI and the dictionary is my God because I said it is a better source of information than the Bible on matters of English language. Your line of reasoning makes a God of anything which is a superior source of information than the Bible. Is that what they do in JW? Making gods of anything in informational-superiority skirts than the Bible? This even means if one goes to conduct an x-ray scan, the x-ray machine which of course has superior information about the skeletal state of that person than the Bible is now God. Or perhaps the owner of the hospital is God, which is true to your JW reasoning. You would have preferred the person opens the Bible and downloads their x-ray in other not to risk making a God of a machine

kayjordan:
Ancient people not necessarily Bible characters contributed to science.
Historical figures in ancient Europe like in the stories of Roman empire, Julius caeser, Merlin and Kings Arthur periods all deviced crude equipments to understand their world.
This was the beginning of science.

I asked you questions needing answers Sir!
Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Please answer!🙂

You are making wrong assertions!

I'm not quoting the Bible to confirm the things i say the scriptures are for those following the thread who may like to know where it's written in the Bible.

As for you i give you what you can see with your own eyes as foretold in the Bible!

kayjordan:
It's fascinating also that you answer questions of beliefs with "beliefs".
When you're asked a question about your belief, you reply with a Bible verse evidence. Please note: The above is a personal opinion of the Bible creation, not verified history.

chieveboy:
Where was that mentioned or alluded here? Can you quote the instance?

You started a thread and i came to talk with you and the next thing you said is:

chieveboy:
Is this thread now not a better source of information to you about my post than the Bible? How and where did you read my post, the Bible?
So just like that, I am now your God?

What makes you a God in the first place?🙂

Theawakensoul:
“How exactly was it preserved through history?”

How did God created the earth?
How did God suspend the earth upon nothing?
How did God make rainy and dry seasons?

God does whatever it takes to achieve His loving purposes so don't ask HOW instead ask for EVIDENCE or PROOF that God's word has been perfectly preserved.🙂

BURNING LIVING CREATURES IN FIRE is what the true God detests Sir!🙂

Newlight777:
Jeremiah 7:31 is not denying judgment or punishment. The scripture says:
“They have built the high places of Tophet… to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.”
The context is human sacrifice, specifically child sacrifice to false gods. GOD ALMIGHTIEST was condemning the wicked practice of people burning their children alive. The verse is saying HE never commanded Israel to commit such evil, nor did HE approve of that abomination.
Using Jeremiah 7:31 to claim GOD ALMIGHTIEST would never judge the wicked ignores many other scriptures where HE clearly speaks about final judgment.
The scripture says in Matthew 25:41:
“Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Revelation 20:15 says:
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
So Jeremiah 7:31 is about forbidden human sacrifice, not a denial of divine judgment. Condemning people for murdering children in pagan rituals is completely different from GOD ALMIGHTIEST judging sin righteously at the end.

So in a nutshell whatever makes people gather to talk is your God shey?

I thought you said AI is the living word of God than the Bible.
This means you don't even understand what you are saying because there is no superficial achievement in arguments.
Well i know you have nothing meaningful to say but know today that the Bible has achieved what no human technology can ever achieve among adherents or subscribers!🙂

chieveboy:
Very good. You have now come to the crux of the matter. When you wanted the information about this thread and to post in it, did you open the Bible and Nairaland popped up? Did you read the information on this thread from the Bible? Is this thread now not a better source of information to you about my post than the Bible? How and where did you read my post, the Bible?
So just like that, I am now your God?
One achievement in addition to the one I mentioned previously is that AI (computer programs) is what makes it possible for people like you to come online and browse Nairaland. I am sure you never thought of this. AI also allows us to create threads about Eckankar on Nairaland so people like you can read it because of not this, you will not open the Bible and find information about Eckankar

chieveboy:
You have delusion to go with what you suffer right now or l actually referred to AI or the dictionary as a deity?
In any case, the dictionary is what made it possible to have the Bible and all books in English language. That's one.

From the standpoint of Bible believers whatever you prefer as a better source of information than the Bible is your God.
So the question again:
What has your AI God achieved among Eckankar that's missing elsewhere?🙂

chieveboy:
Yea, one has to drop all factors of wisdom, knowledge and understanding for them to be able to practice what you do right now. So I agree. Factors of knowledge like the dictionary,brains or AI will not work.

What has your AI God or dictionary helped you people to achieve among your Eckankar people which is not found elsewhere?🙂

NetbizBoss:
IF ACTUALLY CHRISTIANITY WAS GOLD THE COLONIALIST WOULDN'T HAVE FORCE IT ON AFRICA

What they brought was politics not Christianity!🙂

For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

So it's either destruction just as Adam and Eve were completely destroyed or being blessed by God to live forever!