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Odebayo4010:
It depends,those people that came before Jesus,they we use there Conscience to judge them

You're partially correct with this but if you want to know what the Bible says on the topic of discussion i'll be pleased to share it with you.
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

tctrills:
So are you saying that people can be saved by conscience? If conscience is enough to save then why did Jesus have to come? We all could have been saved by conscience then?

Only Jehovah's Witnesses can answer this with the Bible but since you feel there are others who also qualified as Christian groups i'll leave you alone with them!

That group name was CODED!

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was adopted in Antioch when observers noticed the first century followers of Christ {Act 11:26} doing the works Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} but Jesus foretold that Satan will initiate his own agents right in the midst of true believers {Matthew 13:25} so what group name will they also claim if not "Christians"?

That's why JEHOVAH waited for almost 2,000 years so that after Satan's agents have polluted that group name then JEHOVAH began calling His loyal ones out from under Satan's blindfolded religionists {Revelations 18:4} the hidden name all false religions can't bear now is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That's why Jesus is speedily separating us from them to the extent that everywhere you go all religionists on this planet keep talking about the one and only organization that's different in a unique way from all others {Matthew 5:13-16} so when you hear them maliciously saying evil things against us it's not that we claimed to be perfect but they can all see the difference between the groups of imperfect humans the one that's doing God's will and the rest that can't present any evidence of their good WORKS as a group! James 2:18-26

jaephoenix:
Lol. Max
I saw witnesses.
Anybody can claim to be called by yhwh and quote different parts of the Bible. Heck, I can commit murder and quote the Bible as back up

jaephoenix:
Can you point out one verse, just one, that said the chosen people of god is JWs?

Isaiah 43:10; Hebrews 12:1

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Techobeys:
Only me fill into the God’s idea of Man in the image God. Every other Christian who follows God diligently with their heart doesn’t fit into this, just me.

Do you see I ridiculous i sound with the statement above?

I said God's Organization which i am one of them not me! me!! me!!!
So stop deceiving yourself!

jaephoenix:
Bro Max, please be specific about the promises fulfilled

Jehovah promised the Israelites so many things and fulfilled it but all that is none of my concern because it's from what He promised faithful people from other nations that i could benefit!

He promised to organize Jews who will go and teach people of other nations about Him! Zechariah 8:23
He promised that after these Jews have trained people from different races they will become preachers and teachers in their own lands and start helping honest hearted and sincere individuals also to join the one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Malachi 3:16
He promised that faithful people throughout the earth will be gathered together and perfect understanding will occur among them! Zephaniah 3:9
He promised that these people from different nationalities will use what they found in His words to teach themselves {Isaiah 2:2-3} and the result is they will resolve all their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons among themselves and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4
He promised to continue passing timely information to His faithful and loyal ones so that while others are confused about their future and began using weapons to kill one another {Revelations 6:3-4} His own worshipers will have the same line of thought {John 17:22} and have LOVE among themselves! John 13:34-35


All these JEHOVAH is fulfilling throughout the earth today and no sincere individual can say he or she doesn't notice JWs doing this now.

Please ask worshipers of any other God to tell you what is their God has promised that's happening now!

Techobeys:
Are you insinuating in anyway that JW is not a Christian establishment?

Guy only JWs perfectly fit in to what the first century Christians were practicing as Christianity!

Techobeys:
Also, kindly stop quoting scriptures bc they’re never relevant in

Ọmọ quote what you know mine aptly explain what the scriptures say in a practical sense!

jaephoenix:
So how many of yhwh's promises has he fulfilled?

All His promises except the once i listed which will be global and all those living will benefit!

jaephoenix:
Allah gave his goons similar promises. Why should I believe this one and ignore Allah's ?

Good!
It's not only Allah that promised it's worshipers many other Gods of the nations also promised their worshipers.
So back your question:
Why believe (trust) in Jehovah's promises and ignore all other Gods?

You have many friends, right?
If they're all making promises is it reasonable to trust (believe) in the ones who has never fulfilled any of their promises when there's one particular friend of yours who always keep to his words?
Why should you doubt the only friend who has never failed in fulfilling any of his promises and most especially when there's no hope?

IrepChrist:
Please share your experience if you have any. And what is the outcome.

That's the assignment Jesus gave us and there's no Jew as long as he or she believes in the Hebrew-Aramaic scriptures (Old Testament) we have what it takes to convince him easier than misinformed churchgoers claiming Christians.

If you're really interested i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you and i can team up to save a soul in the name of our now reigning King Christ Jesus our Lord!

brocab:
This is why you need understanding of the scriptures!
You can be fooled as much as you like,
{John 4;7-27} Jesus said: Sir, I can see that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain. But you Jews say that Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” Jesus said, “Believe me, woman. The time is coming when you will not have to be in Jerusalem or on this mountain to worship the Father. You Samaritans worship what you don’t understand. We Jews understand what we worship. Salvation comes from the Jews. The time is coming when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.
So if you feel there is only one place where you can worship, then you are wrong: We can worship God anywhere we stand: I can talk with God any time of the day-I don't have to go up on the mountain nor go to Church or Watchtower etc to worship, I fellowship more times then just the first day of the week or Saturday Sabbath. Don't you realize we are in fellowship now, writing about the Lord/

You have not answered my question perhaps i should make it simpler:

Moses and Israelites worship in a Tabernacle.
Solomon and Israelites worship in a Temple.
Jesus Christ worship in a Temple.
Apostles worship in a Temple.
So what led to worship in homes?
Remember they were sending greetings to one another and maintained the same line of thought throughout the Mediterranean sea province where they were living back then. 1Corinthians 16:19; Philippians 4:22; Hebrews 13:24; Titus 3:15

All these people have the same teaching in their heads because they're all taught by one GOVERNING BODY: APOSTLES! Act 2:42

So how come they're no longer worshiping in the Temple like the Apostles whose teachings they're all obedient to? Hebrews 13:7, 17

Paul planted and Apollos water then you're of the opinion that those taught will have divers opinion on what Paul and Apollos believe like your contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in Christendom, shey?
Continue deceiving yourself.
For your information the first century Christians all have the same line of thought regarding teaching because they're all in total agreement with whatever comes from the apostles! Act 2:42 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10
So whatever makes your line of thought differ as Deeperlife and RCCG does today it simply means you're not Christians {Luke 11:23} Jesus wants our belief to be exactly the same {John 17:22} not some wavering opinions that can't be verified as one family! Revelations 3:16

Techobeys:
Don’t you think you’re twisting the bible for your own gain? Don’t you think you’re using the bible out of context sir? I think Paul was talking about evangelism and sustained teaching in that respect. Paul laid the word in their heart and Apollos taught them continuously till they grew. That is the context of that statement and for a man of your calibre, I fear that you do not understand the scriptures properly. You just quote it however you feel without regard for context. Quite often I have taken the time to really look at the scriptures you quote on here and I find that they do not correlate with the topic at hand. Do you just use google and find a verse that suits your argument without caring to underhand the context of that statement? Is that what you do sir? Do you think you’re part of those Peter was talking to in 2 Peter 3:15-16? I care about your soul sir. If you would allow me, I’d like to take you on proper study, I believe you can learn given the right amount of time. God bless you sir

jaephoenix:
Now the next step in this dance….
Where did you get this promise?
Please quote a related Bible verse. Not these random verses you pull outta your anus and dumped on me

My response to your question is not meant for only you but for interested followers of my thread so if you like don't even read through talkless meditating on the quoted scriptures, deserving ones will read, study, meditate and pray so as to grasp it for their own personal benefits! John 8:32

Promise of everlasting life!

©The dead will be called back to life ~Job 14:13-15 compare to John 5:28-29

© Paradise on a peaceful earth with no evildoers ~ Psalms 37:7-9, 29

© Wicked people will be removed for good on planet earth ~ Proverbs 2:20-22

© We will build houses of our taste and live as long as we desire ~ Isaiah 65:21-23

© Oldage will be no more and we will forever remain youthful ~ Job 33:25

© Death will be no more ~ Isaiah 25:8; Revelations 21:3-5

Do you want more?

jaephoenix:
I was expecting this. And you jumped right into my trap. Oh good, miracles aint for the righteous alone, right? Everything you're praying for is gotten by atheists who don't utter a word of prayer, hell, they even curse your god. So why do you theists pray?

Hmmm you're far away due to your long time with false religions!

To illustrate, let's say you're in a country where a good man is distributing what is for the benefit of the general public, do you expect him to be partial in the distribution? Matthew 5:45

But then if this distributor now has a special plan in secret for only his friends {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} and you know about this secret plan won't you like to get closer to him than others who don't know his secret plans?

Well true Christians aren't praying because of what is available for both the good and evil {Matthew 6:19-21} naaaaaaaaaaaaa we are building a personal relationship with God who promised everlasting life for only His friends. John 3:16

Do you now understand?

michaelwestern:
This is an opportunity for you to enter into relationship with God. I'm not not talking about religion or doctrine. You can have a personal relationship with God and it's through Jesus Christ.

OK your doctrine can make people have PERSONAL relationship with your god but then their religion doesn't matter.
That means as long as anyone agree with your doctrine of Jesus is God their religion doesn't matter shey?

michaelwestern:
I'm really sad and worried about your situation. It's just like Muslims who also think they're serving God but they're worshipping the devil indirectly.

OK so i'm worshiping the devil because i didn't agree with your doctrine but what about those homosexuals and lesbians who proudly agree with your doctrine?

michaelwestern:
I'm afraid for you my brother you think you're on the right way but you're inside the bush.

Without believing that Jesus Christ is son of God and also God, you can't be a Christian and you're going to live forever in hell fire.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John1:14

I have heard you!
So now that most people have agreed with you on that do you still need arguing with such ones again?

jaephoenix:
You lack comprehension skills.
I said 'But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?'
Its atheists that don't believe in yhwh, don't give offerings/tithes but still have life and good health.
Learn to read properly

And i've answered you:

so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. Matthew 5:45

Miracles aren't meant only for the righteous!

michaelwestern:
Forget about "works of faith" without being a Christian it's meaningless. First become a Christian then you can worry about works of faith.

OK so those you're arguing with on the other thread have become Christians already but it's their WORKS that's leading you and them into arguments, right?

michaelwestern:
Homosexuality is a sin
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans :26-27

michaelwestern:
Most of our doctrinal disagreements can be overlooked, your beliefs about Jesus Christ unfortunately cannot. Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is also God is fundamental to becoming a Christian.

Perhaps they agree that Jesus is also God, won't that be enough?

1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

jaephoenix:
I wasn't referring to you cursed lots, I'm talking about atheists

You know atheists don't even believe in miracles so there's no need calling them here!

Aemmyjah:
I'm supposed to force beliefs on you?
Why not create a thread of your own church?

You wan cos katakata, shey?

His church is (ABCHGF) Anonymous Brethren Chapel of Holy Ghost Fire. Are you now satisfied?

michaelwestern:
Homosexuality is a sin
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans :26-27

Instead of arguing with them over tenets why not ask for the CORE BELIEFS that's FUNDAMENTAL as you called it?

michaelwestern:
Most of our doctrinal disagreements can be overlooked, your beliefs about Jesus Christ unfortunately cannot. Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is also God is fundamental to becoming a Christian.

Perhaps they agree that Jesus is also God, won't that be enough?

michaelwestern:
Most of our doctrinal disagreements can be overlooked, your beliefs about Jesus Christ unfortunately cannot. Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is also God is fundamental to becoming a Christian.

Good!

So since you've known many things about JWs through the WORKS of our FAITH which is zealous preaching and industrious teaching let those having such beliefs also go out there and prove their FAITH by WORKS! James 2:18-26

Steep:
So far you guys have failed to address op.
You guys don't know scriptures at all.

No problem since there are over 41,000 different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines regarding the OP perhaps you should try others to find those that will agree with your Godhead stuff as for JWs only one true God we know and that is JEHOVAH every other Gods are subjected to this One and He is not in subjection to anyone.

Thanks for your time!

Janosky:
The Confused Pastorpreneur was exposed by the holy scriptures.
James 1:26-27, shows him no know Bible at all.

No be sey him no know but him no want believe wetin Bible tok!

michaelwestern:
You're right, God is not the cause of suffering in the world. You people have a lot of weird doctrines though.

That's what most people often concludes instead of listening and meditating thoroughly!

michaelwestern:
Your responses are too lengthy and vague, it's difficult to get your points. I assume you're trying to say that homosexuality is not different from any other sin, which is true.
The problem with homosexuality though is that they think they're not committing sin and it's just a sexual orientation. An adulterer or fornicator knows that he's living in sin and tries to make adjustments but an homosexual doesn't.

They know but they're trying to prove to the society that what they're doing is normal.

How many families around the world will like to get married into a family of homosexuals or lesbians?
Will you be comfortable with you son or daughter (though not marrying as a lesbian or homosexual) getting married to a member of the family where some of your in-laws are homosexuals and lesbians?
Will you like your grandchild to be raised in the midst of such people?

Ọmọ they know they're not normal but just as God's word foretold:

But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled 2Timothy 3:1-5, 13

Many of these people now claims they are ministers of God's word! Matthew 24:11-12

No commentator to join you in saying anything about the religion shey?

No wonder you have put up dozens of threads in the name of the one and only organization globally known for our unique faith:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Matthew 5:13-16

chieveboy:
That must have been quite a sight. Do you also take care of people born like this boy please?

What do you think about him?
Will you jubilate giving birth to such a child or you'll see his birth as a CURSE on your family?

Remember everyone in the neighbourhood will be scared of your son.


So do you think God purposely created him like this or it's due to complications during his growth as a fetus in the womb?

Ken4Christ:
I don't practice religion. Christianity is not a religion. People made religion out of it. Christianity is a living relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It's a revelation of the righteousness of God that is obtained by faith.
It is a revelation of the fatherhood of God that has brought those two believe in Christ into a sonship relationship with God.

This is your own PERSONAL opinion because to billions of people around the world today Christianity is a RELIGION!

MightySparrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLIuLcehcU


Why Jehovah witnesses have been able to keep nine million simpletons is the indoctrination not to acquire knowledge that allows the GB doctrines to be questioned.

The cult of an organisation seeks to take members away from path of knowledge to control their minds by keep them in mental bondage.

MaxInDHouse what do you say?

Jesus said:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him DISOWN HIMSELF and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me" Luke 9:23

he also said:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word" John 17:20

If this man is no longer around physically only for interested persons to join his group don't you think observers will call them a CULT? Matthew 10:25

Because each member will not view those taking the lead in the organization as ordinary men but representatives of the man whose words you're reading today! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Steep:
Uptil now no answer.

You've been answered but you just don't want to agree so go and settle countless religions out there claiming Christians with contradicting opinions on the personality of the only true God.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have answered you that according to Jesus himself his father whose name is JEHOVAH is the one and only true God! John 17:3