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VenumX:
Were you not the that said the fruit that Adam and Eve earth signifies sex?

It's obvious you're quoting the wrong person but for confirmation please quote where i said the above so everyone can check the thread.

Thanks in advance!

Astrology is a section of Satan's household so Satan appeared in the sky like a Star and led his agents first to Herod the great who doesn't want to hear anything about a Christ not born in his own household. Herod the great wanted the baby's death so he cunningly instruct the astrologers to fish out where the baby is and the STAR (Satan) now led his agents to the house where the baby and his parents stays.
The identity of the Star became obvious when Herod the great wasn't given any update, ordered that all baby boys between two years and below to be slaughtered!

So it wasn't an ordinary Star but Satan himself!

OkCornel:
I’m not setting goals or anything. Just bringing out points to be considered. You’re well versed in the areas of the scriptures I pointed you to earlier? Yes?

I'm not talking about you but the OP and his cohorts, they're the ones setting goals for God's people. From their point of view God's people shouldn't have any wrong expectations they should perfectly understand God's plan for salvation.
That has never been the case with God's people as we can all see in the Bible they had lots and lots of wrong expectations.
One thing they will never stop doing is the assignment given to them, they will never ever allow their disappointment stop them from faithfully carrying out their assignment!

Ken4Christ:
Does this verse below also refer to grave?
Why are you people so grossly dishonest? Matthew 25:41.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, YE CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE , prepared for the devil and his angels:

Everlasting fire meaning complete destruction so unlike the first death where casualties can be resurrected the second death (Lake of Fire) connotes death where casualties have no hope. So when God destroy Satan and his demons they're no worshipers of God neither have they any hope of a come back to life, that is what will happen to unrepentant evildoers.
This stupidity need to stop. Preach about the Goodness that's expected of your God instead of concentrating on what will happen to evildoers. Nobody is interested in whatever will be the condition of those evildoers rather we are interested in knowing what God has in stock for His loyal ones!

Smartini:
He won't reply. Trinitarians hate that verse because it kills all the beliefs they have and ends all argument on Trinity once and for all.

Just like so many churchgoers he doesn't even know what TRINITY really means!

Steep:
Read psalm 8 vv 4- 8
And also hebrews 2 vv 6 -9.
And also John 1 vv 14

1Corinthians 15:27
Said God who subjected everything under Christ is not subjected to Christ!

What is mortal man that you keep him in mind, And a son of man that you take care of him? 5 You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor. 6 You gave him dominion over the works of your hands; You have put everything under his feet: 7 All the flocks and cattle, As well as the wild animals, 8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, Whatever passes through the paths of the seas. Psalms 8:4-8

But in one place a certain witness said: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or a son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him. 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 2:6-9

So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. John 1:14

What has these got to do with the fact that the Christ under whose feet all things were subjected is lower to the true God who gave him such power? Psalms 110:1

OkCornel:
So I assume your answer to my questions on my last post is yes…you you’re very familiar with the bible passages I’m referring to?

One thing i will never do is set goals for God's people when what they're supposed to do is WRITTEN in God's word. As long as they're meeting up their miscalculations or wrong expectations means nothing evil to me because that's the way all ancient servants of God has been doing till now!

Continue deceiving yourself!

If you're not a preacher with a recognizable group like those found in Antioch ọmọ you no be Christian!

brocab:
No-I believe there are plenty of believers out there sitting in Churches today: waiting on the Lord: to separate the tares from the wheat, the sheep from the goats.
There's a time and a place for everything: Many of us spend the comforts of home mediating on the Word of God Day and Night.
Praying, thanking God daily learning and studying His Word: as watchmen we are watching the times and the seasons, for that great Day of the Lord.
You learned nothing from the scriptures I had written down: you believe in obeying the traditions of men, rather then God Himself.
This is why: I myself would never dream off walking away from the Word of God, to follow after another gospel: like yours.
I don't follow tradition of men.I follow God..

Steep:
How?

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Going by your logic the divine nature of God was put under Jesus feet?

Can you please correlate the highlighted with the last sentence?

Faithful individuals don't expect perfection in the way servants of God reason all they target is "what are we supposed to be doing presently as worshipers of the true God"

WRONG EXPECTATIONS will never end in the life of God's servants but one thing is peculiar with them all: they are ever ready to join others in working for their God!

OkCornel:
Good morning Max, how’re you?
Back to the topic. Do you understand what the issue Oteneaaron raised in the context of Jesus’ warnings about his second coming in Matthew 24? And the specific signs believers were told to look out for? Before you respond, also take out time to read and understand what Daniel mentioned about the statue Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream, and also the revelation Daniel had about the various beasts representing various kingdoms that rule the earth before the coming of the son of Man. When believers truly understand what to look out for, all these setting of wrong time tables for Jesus return will reduce.

If your mom or dad promised you what you need do you offend him/her for often thinking about when he or she will fulfill his or her promise?
Well you can never ever offend your own dad or mum for always anticipating what he or she promised you because that's a sign of trust. But children who don't trust their parents will not like hearing about such promises because they don't expect anything worthwhile as bad children.

So my friend no matter how much God's servants miscalculate the times for what God promised this is what God Himself said:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!

Look at the one who is proud; He is not upright within himself. But the righteous one will live by his faithfulness. Habakkuk 2:3-4

The true God is never offended no matter how eager His FAITHFUL PEOPLE are and their miscalculations to Him they have remained faithful {Luke 21:34} it's proud people who will not like to be noticed as faithful anticipators of God's promises. So when the time to reward those who always keep on the watch comes those who don't want to think about it won't be ready at all and it will catch them unaware because they're never prepared for it! Matthew 25:1-13

Odebayo4010:
I would like to know

After Adam and Eve the first Name WRITTEN for a remembrance regarding resurrection is "ABEL" {Hebrews 11:4} this man was faithful so in God's memory Abel's name was recorded as a RIGHTEOUS man.
Many like Abel also practiced pure worship so their names were WRITTEN in God's memory as RIGHTEOUS ones. But there were many who never knew anything about pure worship though they practiced all forms of worship they met or knew since they want to worship God so God recorded their names too because they lived by conscience as UNRIGHTEOUS ones as they don't know the righteousness of God. Act 24:15

But most humans were heartless they don't care if their lifestyle is negatively affecting others these ones has been forgotten they will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead! Psalms 9:17

So all those assembling in worship centers are evildoers shey?

brocab:
You write lies about people, and when asked about them you refuse to answer. Well maybe if you would answer all our questions: maybe then you will receive the answers from us.
You can argue as much as you like: but the Governing apostles didn't belong to the Watchtower:
No the Apostles stood outside in the court yard of the temple, after witnessing about Jesus, they took people to their homes, baptizing them. the Pharisees didn't agree with the teaching Jesus taught, nor would they allow the disciples teach: so where else could they go, from house to house they had home Church, they also met together on the streets.
{Hebrews 13:7-17} Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you,
None of the chapters you gave me, {Hebrew 13;7-17, Act 2:42, 1Corinthains 16:19; Philippians 4:22; Hebrews 13:24; Titus 3:15} say: we must worship in temples. Homes yes, but not temples-and we always respect our authorities-those who preach the Word of God.
{Acts 5:42} Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah.
{Acts 2:46} With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart
The Holy Spirit didn't fall upon the disciples in a temple, it was in someones Home
Don't forget the temple vile was spit in two from top to bottom when the Holy Spirit left the scene, after Jesus was crucified. Jesus made away that the Holy Spirit was given to those who have chosen to believe..
I have found over the years many different religions prefer to use the Old Covenant Law, for gain: twisting it, selling God's Word for money. especially when using the tithing lie "now you can stay under the Old Covenant: your choice-and come under Moses Tabernacle-sacrificing daily and paying your tithe: and don't forget to stone your children while you are at it, and obey the 613 laws God had in place for those who were led by God's hand out of Egypt,
[color=#000000]Or you can come under the Covenant Jesus made with His disciples: [/color]
This is the New Covenant it's the promise that God makes with mankind that He will forgive sin and restore communion with those whose hearts believe in His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise. He defeated death by His resurrection and restored life for those who believe in Him.
{John 3:16} “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
{Luke 22:19-20} And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me." And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
So we are under the New Covenant: we are no longer under the Covenant God made with Moses and Aaron: Jesus may have been born under the Law: but He made His New Covenant for us to obey: I don't deny the old testament, matter of fact I really enjoy reading it: but it was our tutor that brought us to Christ, now Christ has come, we are no longer under that tutor. {Galatians 3:25}
The Lord explained the old Covenant law and then under his New Covenant Law-He changed it.
{Matthew 5:44} Pray for those who hurt you. “You have heard that it used to be said, 'You shall love your neighbor', and 'hate your enemy', but I tell you, Love your enemies .. See: He changed the Law.
So which Covenant do you obey: obviously the Old Covenant. you hate us with a passion: you are no different to the Pharisees, they hated Jesus and the disciples: to a point of stoning them to death and crucifying.
Max you need to search the scriptures when finding anything out concerning Jesus-you need to stop playing the fool by Twisting scriptures-none of them chapters you gave me lined up with your temple theory-you need to study-stop listing to elders who haven't the slightest idea about Word: you know Max it's by there fruit we recognize them: This is what we see in your fruit -we recognize you as a hater against us..
And why do we prefer to have Home Church? Look around you: the Lord is separating the sheep from the goats.

jaephoenix:
I warned you about MadMax. Dude is plain legendary

Keep sounding the warning in their hearing because Jesus with all his intelligence and wisdom was viewed as MADMAN to most of his contemporaries {John 10:20} Paul the apostle was viewed as a MADMAN by those who listened to him {Act 26:24} so they will be eager to listen to MAX but it's the same thing they will say because a servant is not greater than his master! John 15:20

May you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
Jesus can return as many times as he wants. Its his world. Heck, he can even rent an apartment in JW Headquarters (Bethel House) and chill there

According to the Bible Jesus promised his disciples that he will return but just as the Jews were confused about his presence in the first century the same happened in 1914.
The prophecy about the Christ said so many things that the Jews can't comprehend easily but noteworthy is what will be happening when he is around:
The blind will gain sight, the lame will walk, the deaf will hear, the dumb will speak and those depressed will hear good tidings that will make them look forward to a brighter future hopefully. This is what Jesus reminded John the baptist when he started to doubt if Jesus is the one they're expecting! Matthew 11:4-5

But the scriptures also foretold of how most Jews will be stumbled due to WRONG EXPECTATION regarding God's plan of restoration so Jesus added:

"Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.” Matthew 11:6

Because if care is not taken even John the baptist who is a true prophet of God will loose by speaking abusively of the Christ due to WRONG EXPECTATION!

So what convinced God's people that Christ has returned in 1914?

Note that it's Jesus everyone knew because he's a human having human relatives in their midst until his baptism when he became the Christ and started to fulfill the prophecies foretold about the Christ. So most people never saw the Christ but they heard and saw all the things spoken by the prophets happening all around them that is why Peter and the other guys strongly believe that Jesus is the Christ! Matthew 16:13-16

So in the same manner Jesus who has returned to his spirit life when he returned in 1914 what he foretold as signs of his presence became evident since 1914! Matthew 24:3-14

jaephoenix:
1. So those news sources are carrying fake news, right?
2. What if I have no JWs around me?

It's about exaggeration nah!
JWs are people like you and i who have been in one shameful habit or another before they heard what convinced them about an organization of God's people so if they decide to join that isn't a guarantee that their former habits will vanish instantly, NO! Each will have to start fighting within himself or herself {Romans 7:15-25} how to leave it behind so as to fit in to the personality they're trying to build! Ephesians 4:22-24
But when churchgoers who were taught that it's automatic transformation as soon as they become Christians now see any JW fall back to his or her sinful flesh they will start to carry the story even add to it as if that's what the organization approves.

If you don't have JWs around you then you can't conclude yet remember as an atheist you don't believe in the existence of God because you never seen any but you have been HEARING people talking about God all around you!

All humans born through the bloodline of Adam are sinners {Romans 3:23} so death is their reward an in all of them {Romans 5:12} the Good News of God's Kingdom are about the things God promised mankind which will be made possible through the sacrificial death of Christ Jesus. So believing in Jesus is not just a wishful thought but continuous exercise of putting what Jesus taught into practice it's on the bases of this that we shall be forgiven and given the privilege to prove our innocence that if we are perfect like Adam and Eve with nothing hindering us we will be loyal to God completely. Revelations 20:1-5
All those that accept to be like Jesus will be given a Visa to Paradise on planet earth which will last for just 1000 years {Luke 23:43} during that time Jesus is the one that will rule over the entire earth. Daniel 2:44

So if you lived before Jesus or where nobody knew anything about Jesus you will be raised back to life to be there with disciples of Christ if you've lived by conscience in your previous life but if you don't care about conscience {Psalms 9:17} or you've had the opportunity to meet Jesus' true disciples and turned them down God will also forget you in your grave that means no resurrection for you! John 3:18

OkCornel:
Aha…from the bolded, now I see how it connects.
Thanks.
God bless you Max and may you have peace.

Same to you Sir!

At times when critics don't understand what is happening they will raise lot's of alarm but then intelligent individuals need to set matters clear so that sincere people may grasp what really happened.

Jesus is the one and only perfect human worshiper of the true God so he never had any wrong expectations regarding God's program for salvation but as for all other servants of God they all had WRONG EXPECTATIONS.

So why do we believe them that they were true servants of God?

Well it's because they meet up with what the scriptures foretold about them even though they were imperfect and had many wrong expectations!

Carcholce:
Is it not funny that different body of religion are always trying to prove that their messiah is the original representative of God?

Please how do you ascertain that something is Delusion?

With the wrong expectations Jesus' disciples had about what Jesus will do imagine so many wrong expectations they would have spread about Jesus!

Does that makes them false prophets or worshipers of Satan?

OkCornel:
I understand you clearly. My focus isn’t on wrong expectations. My focus is on deceitful false teachers/teachings. A different issue altogether from your point.
God bless you Max, and may you have peace.
(Not sure if that’s the exact line you say, but I’m glad to learn this from you, very compassionate and helpful choice of words. Thanks)

There's one thing evil with WRONG TEACHING:

Students of wrong teachings will never meet up with expected results!

What all these people don't understand is that Benny Hin isn't apologizing for telling people that God's kingdom is coming but teaching his listeners what will never yield positive results!

When Jesus taught his disciples that John the baptist is the promised Elijah Malachi spoke of {Malachi 4:5} they were glad that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Christ) and that's true but then they all had WRONG EXPECTATIONS about what Jesus will begin to do because the scriptures foretold that the Christ will establish the Kingdom of David and rule forever in righteousness {Isaiah 9:6-7} even John the baptist was carried away with the same opinion so when he was imprisoned for preaching what is right and Jesus didn't come to rescue him John sent messengers to Jesus to question Jesus' authenticity {Matthew 11:2-3} Jesus' disciples has been preaching throughout all Israel declaring that the Messiah Christ has come which is true, but what happened due to this teaching?
Many began expecting what Jesus will do in future times immediately and when Jesus didn't do what they expected most Jews concluded that Jesus was teaching heresy so they left and never followed him again {John 6:66} what about those who remained with Jesus? Well after his death and resurrection they still ask him questions about their wrong expectation! Act 1:6

So why do many Jews concluded that Jesus was a fraudster till today?

Is it because Jesus and his disciples were teaching heresy?

Of course it's due to the wrong expectations of those preaching to them!

tctrills:
I see you came here to boast, well this is social media, anyone can claim anything. It's a free world. But when I remember that you claimed the house of Israel are God's slaves, I am just so sure you don't have a better answer than anyone here

No wahala keep your question!

jaephoenix:
Where is evidence of the bolded?
And why do you think the devil hasn't 'polluted' this group again? All we see is news of these select group mol@sting kids. I mean verified news

You've said it all "You see NEWS"
When you hear people publicizing stories from far away lands against a religion but you have members of this same religion within your own neighbourhood yet such report is rare in their midst you should know that something is wrong nah!

Below are African pedophiles but how many are JWs?

OkCornel:
In your quest to find the truth,

The truth is that the true God doesn't accept different religions but one so if anyone doesn't know that then such a person is far far far away from the truth!

advocatejare:
So if Jesus returned in 1914, who were you expecting again in 1975?

Where is your APPLICATION and APOLOGY letter?

OkCornel:
Nah…just wanted to be sure you understand my angle and that I’m not attacking you.

Well WRONG EXPECTATIONS has always been peculiar with God's people throughout all ages so if anyone now say it's a sign of falsehood then such a person doesn't know anything about God's people in ancient times!

OkCornel:
Nope, my focus is on false teachers and false teachings which births false religion to deceive and enslave people for their monetary and other selfish reasons.
You get?
Not here to quarrel with you

Does the question sound like Quarrel?

MaxInDHouse:
So when God's people in ancient times had wrong expectations regarding God's promises it's means their worship is false, shey?

advocatejare:
Are you not the same liar that claimed Jesus returned in 1914? You’re here changing mouth again! Why are you this shameless?

Ọmọ you only need to write an application for the interview and an apology before i will grant you an interview regarding my beliefs.

As for 1914 you can continue hitting your head on the wall JESUS has returned in 1914 that's an indisputable fact!

OkCornel:
I hate lies and deception.
Especially false and manipulative “prophecies”
False teachings birth false religions. False religion puts people in mind control and bondage. The TRUTH sets free. It does not enslave!

So when God's people in ancient times had wrong expectations regarding God's promises it's means their worship is false, shey?

Na wah o!

God's people have always anticipate God's Kingdom and God never condemn any of His people for wrong expectations.
Only Jesus Christ who is a perfect worshiper of God never had wrong expectations but as for all other servants of God WRONG EXPECTATIONS has been peculiar with all of them.
So complaining about wrong expectations shows that you don't even know anything about God's people!

oteneaaron:
Religion is such a powerful tool! Even though he is still a scammer by my own books, you have to agree that it took real GUTS for him to admit he made a mistake and render an apology to his many followers. Unlike the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses who have been deceiving their members for over a century now. In 1975, they prophesied that the world would come to end - people sold their homes, some sold their businesses, many refused to go to school, some people didn't marry, all because they believed the world was ending in 1975. "Stay Alive Till '75!" - was their mantra back then.
Their leaders never admitted they were wrong, neither did they offer any apology like Benny Ginn did. Instead, they blamed their followers for been gullible, and said the "light was getting brighter" You think I am lying? In 1968, Charles Sinutko, a top member of the Jehovah's Witnesses gave a talk titled - "Serving With Everlasting Life In View". It was during this talk that the "end of the world" 1975 prophecy was officially announced at one of their conventions - although they wrote about it in a Watchtower magazine in 1967. As evidence, watch the video below to listen to the talk from 1968 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjzgYnq5Uo

You don't know the meaning of WRONG TEACHING!

Noisemaker, answer the question!

Dtruthspeaker:
Here comes Satan's Marketer of Satan's subsidiary company who carry bible to market the son of Satan, funny. Well the op is Satan's child and Satan's marketer, so market don set.