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hopefulLandlord:
a book written by goatherders who had no idea where the sun went at night

But you came QUOTING it to reason with people, why not quote something else?

jaephoenix:
But the people of Flying Spaghetti Monster are perfect and holy.

Perfect but ready to kill their own people in your flying spaghetti monster when politics and racism calls shey?

Well that's what makes JEHOVAH superior to all other gods!

jaephoenix:
So your Jehovah declares peeps righteous even though they kill, rape, molest kids. Right. So why would he sentence peeps who die committing those sins to eternal damnation?

We are taking the PRESCRIBED MEDICATION and it's now yielding positive results globally as a global family of peace loving worshipers sufficed just as He promised! Isaiah 2:2-4

So when people are into a degraded condition but decides to take in instructions that will help them make changes even the most stupid ruler on this planet will grant them amnesty!

That's what intelligence mean!

sonmvayina:
Is your jesus that is not useless..shebi?

He was called the "Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} and he ordered his disciples to love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} love their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

This is what made God's promise @ Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 came to fulfilment so that a global family of peace loving worshipers has sufficed due to the TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ! Act 1:8

He is the most wonderful counselor of all time: JESUS OF NAZARETH! Isaiah 9:6

I don send this one back to default mode!

jaephoenix:
Ok, so now you concede that child molestation and other sins, cut across every part of the globe, including your precious JW folks. Good. That's probably the only truth you have told since kindergarten. Lemme not hear that JW folks are righteous peeps, cos thunder go scatter dat your head when you say something similar
Back to the topic you gleefully derailed, can you provide evidence of your god's existence? Simple question

Ọmọ come see atheist dey lay curse o!

Please who will make that thunder strike abeg tell me, abeg!

Idiot!

We are God's people and He has declared us RIGHTEOUS because we are willing to be cured of the madness leading people into killing people. So when our God declared us RIGHTEOUS He doesn't care what faithless idiots like you think.
Our RIGHTEOUSNESS is from Him not you! Isaiah 54:17

Atheist wey sabi curse people!

Courz:
If your No Blood Transfusion is such a wonderful doctrine from God, why are JWs in Bulgaria allowed to take Blood?

Why are There JWs taking Blood secretly even after trying Blood less Surgery?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Courz:
If your No Blood Transfusion is such a wonderful doctrine from God, why are JWs in Bulgaria allowed to take Blood?

Why are There JWs taking Blood secretly even after trying Blood less Surgery?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Courz:
If your No Blood Transfusion is such a wonderful doctrine from God, why are JWs in Bulgaria allowed to take Blood?

Why are There JWs taking Blood secretly even after trying Blood less Surgery?

OK you're tired of your stupidity in the FREEMASON story shey?

Ọmọ i'm not interested in your madness so you can continue with your stories your audience are waiting for you!

Janosky:
Wishy-washy nonsense

Just imagine a misinformed Churchgoer who will kill his fellow Churchgoers in the face of politics and racism has given his own judgment against the one and only organization of peace loving worshipers.
Ọmọ madness plenty for here o, well that's what the atheist expected from them sha!

Janosky:
Courz LYING and misleading gullible folks.
In Which year & Venue was that your fictional Agreement with Bulgarian Govt ( in your head) made?

Which Bulgarian Govt official in your head is signatory to your fictional agreement?

Courz IBERIBEISM be like Zeeworld- "extraordinary everyday."


Courz LYING and misleading gullible folks.
Was your LYING crew member in the Surgical Team performing surgical procedures on JWs?
No.
COURZ LYING crew member manufacture 99% in his head.

Courz IBERIBEISM TWISTED narratives far from the reality exemplified in the screenshots evidences of medical research and successful treatment of JWs over 9years period.

Courz LYING super glued GIBBERISH.

My brother this are faithless people they're not interested in facts all they just want you to believe is that your God isn't different from theirs so if you disagree with them they come up with different accusations that's all!

cornelboy:
Life, intelligence and stuffs

They're the same faithless churchgoers if you don't listen attentively to their hearts you will think they're reasonable.

Just imagine God promised something and He is fulfilling it yet the stupid atheists are asking for what He didn't promise.

Is He not the same God who claimed He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Does that makes their descendants perfect?

Were the Israelites free from imperfection?

Is it not what God promised that He was fulfilling with them?

How come people just wake up expecting God to succumb to their demands instead of thinking about what He promised?

jaephoenix:
In one breath, you tell me JW peeps engage in imperfections like child molestation etc, in the same breath you also tells me they are god's people on earth. So what makes them god's people if they do all manner of sins and even go ahead to hide it? I didn't even include the sins of twisting the bible and rendering blood transfusion a sin, thereby sending thousands of cretarded JWs to their graves

Good question!

The evidence that we are God's people is that the God we are talking about PROMISED to cure His own patients completely but the treatment will start from somewhere and that's what He said at Isaiah 2:2-4, If He made the promise and fulfilling it but you're now demanding what He didn't promise who between you and i is not reasonable?

One thing that's indisputable is the evidence JEHOVAH gave all mankind!

We are all sick and there's no hope of ever coming out of what is affecting us all:
DEATH
SICKNESS
OLDAGE

JEHOVAH promised that all these things will be done away with.

OLDAGE will be gone our flesh will continue to glow forever as youths! Job 33:25

SICKNESS will be gone for good! Isaiah 33:24

DEATH will be swallowed completely! Isaiah 25:8

Of course all these sounds unbelievable!

But the greatest Healer (JEHOVAH) promised.

To illustrate imagine multitude of people all suffering from the same kind of illnesses and as some are looking forward to permanent cure others feel it's just a dream that'll never come true. So those who wants permanent cure went to a Physician though there are thousands claiming physicians too which makes those ignoring the idea of permanent cure seems reasonable. But then one out of all the physicians promised that He will cure all the illnesses but the patients just need to trust Him by applying the medications He prescribed. He promised that all those using His medicine will first of all be cured of one major illness. Though death is inevitable for now but at least they will not kill their neighbours intentionally anymore.
This is the sickness that has led intellectuals throughout the world to form organizations of different kinds yet the killing continues among members of all these organization!

This physician injected His patients and to the surprise of all this sickness was cured so that globally everyone can see that His patients has been cured of this deadly disease.

How foolish could anyone be if someone should come complaining about another sickness that's affecting everyone and using that to accuse the patients of the greatest physician who has already been cured of the most deadly disease?

Ọmọ atheists no get sense at all. Child molestation that cut across all races and groups!

jaephoenix:
Here we are, trying to debate if at all your Jehovah/Yahweh/Jesus/Yehoshua(or whatever pet names y'all could regurgitate) truly exists, and you went off at a tangent telling us not only that he/she/it/they exists, but he created a child molesting group known as JW, without dropping a shred of evidence. A group known world over for hiding evidence of sin amongst its members and touting it as a perfect congregation.
I think 90% of your prefrontal cortex is filled with JW stuff, filling it into whatever narrative you can lay your hands/eyes on, even if it makes sense or not. Having a logical argument with you is as possible as getting a brick wall to talk. Same as Dtruthspeaker. 2 legendary theists that have 0 logical reasoning abilities.

When you want to reason LOGICALLY it makes no sense accusing your neighbour over what's affecting you yourself nah!

Child molestation as a modern day sickness cut across all races and groups so you made the cheapest point in history with that Sir.

I am telling you and all other atheists like you that JEHOVAH promised to use His Active Force stop His own worshipers from raising weapons against anyone and you and i can see it's fulfilment life. If you're reasonable you should know that child molesters are arrested under the law, charged under the law, arraigned under the law, judged under the law and sentenced to prison under the law which means all child molesters are under the humanitarian laws. But which law stops human from going to war against one another?
Well JEHOVAH gave His own worshipers that law because His power of reasoning surpasses that of all humans put together no matter your grade in science you can't figure out why your fellow scientist will think of killing you as SCIENCE can't appeal to human reasoning because it's the handiworks of human reasoning but JEHOVAH our God made it possible globally {Psalms 46:9} in the midst of those using His word to appeal to reasoning! Isaiah 1:18

So if you say imperfect humans like you are child molesters of course that's true but JEHOVAH promised that the same imperfect humans will use His word to make possible what SCIENCE can never ever do!

jaephoenix:
Lol. Telling you to prove that statement would end up making us go into a slow ass circular argument. There's no proof your Yahweh exists and you're here telling us it/he/she/they gave you life

Science came as a result of research into what God Created so it belongs to everybody as long as we can use our God's given brains to make things easier all of us are scientists, but then some won't just bow to a tree simply because it's used for cooking, building house and making furniture, they believe it's just the WORKS of their own hands. That's what science is to sane humans.

But when talking about God humans trusting in science don't know what is making them kill one another despite the advancement in science and technology, instead of science to provide a solution it couldn't.
WHY?
Because it's just the WORKS of man's thinking so each scientist is building more and more powerful weapons, using it to DECORATE their armory awaiting the day they will run mad and start using it to destroy one another.

What about those that BELIEVE in JEHOVAH?

Well they've use JEHOVAH'S word to settle all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons from their hearts and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Isaiah 2:2-4


So in as much as we can't see JEHOVAH face to face we can SEE the BENEFITS of His WORD as active in the minds of His worshipers of course we can see what we have achieved with science but then science can't stop it's worshipers from destroying one another.

That's why we TRUST (BELIEVE) in JEHOVAH even though we make use of our God's given brains to benefit from science!

Moses was both prophet and God: performed great miraculous works in the eyes of all his people! Exodus 7:1

Jesus was both prophet and God: performed great miraculous works in the eyes of all his people! John 1:1

Jesus was Jewish (descendant of Judah) making him one of the brothers of those to whom God made the promise:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him! Deuteronomy 18:18

Israelites don't take anyone as their brothers apart from the descendants of Jacob because when God brought them out of Egypt God promised them that they will become His special possession out of all other tribes! Exodus 19:5

So there's no way it could be Muhammad!

jaephoenix:
At least science gave me vaccines, entertainment, houses, transportation etc. Hell, the phone and internet you're even using to blast science was made by science. Lol. You theists are verified clowns
Name one thing Yahweh gave you?

LIFE!
JEHOVAH gave us life without which nobody can think of science or technology!

1Sharon:
What race was Adam?

Ask the OP he mentioned Adam first!

jaephoenix:
Lol. Exactly what I have been saying here for ages.
You have swept all the other gods into the trash bin in one fell swoop and held aloft your favorite god, in this case Yahweh. The same exact thing a Hindu, Moslem etc would do, substituting their favorites. Lol
What does that tell you?

You guys amuses me when you talk about gods as if you have nothing to do with one but you people hail SCIENCE as God and ever ready to bow before science claiming it's your saviour!

Sand2022:
Like!

YES!

Stick to your Jesus while we stick to our GB, wahala no dey!

sonmvayina:
Maxindhouse it is not a messianic prophesy..
Just listen...
It is what the kings of the earth would say when they discovered that Israel is right all along..

Good!

So preach what you know while i preach what i know!

Aemmyjah:
Shame on you
Yes, cells can replicate
Where does the replicating come from?
Can the most intelligent scientists create the most primitive cell
They've even said that the unicellular yeast cell is far complicated than the space ship based in it's characteristics
Go and been be looking for the workshop of God to know his existence or where he is.
I brought facts you can't disprove.
Prove me to me, to us that the material universe does not have a Creator.
Tell how intelligent man could have come from unntelligence since you have the most current facts

They're just looking for ways to justify their disobedience to God, when they come in contact with JWs they will change the subject!

OP is gay:

Davidtalo1:
I'm gay mate

He just wanted to push opposers away from a thread he is using to promote atheism:

Davidtalo1:
Idk mate, you seem more interested in atheist topics than actual religious stuff.
If you weren't here i wouldn't have tagged you.
You and dtruthspeaker would make a great team. How about you guys team up together and start a crusade against atheism?
Since you both enjoy the topic?

Aemmyjah:
I don't know how to address this question but it is like asking a group of racists if the blacks are nice people or asking if the Moroccans or Egyptians are Africans cos they are light skinned, are curly hair. The audience you ask is the wrong one
You need to find fact for yourself. Anyone can simply say that the Egyptian man I'm seeing is not African based on his appearance but how do you get the facts. Study everything about Africa, the countries in it and what makes one an African. Basically, anyone born of African parents or on African soil is an African. So since Egypt or Morocco is in Africa, anyone born there is an African. Simple!!

To know if Jehovah's Witnesses are REAL Christians, you first need to know what REAL Christianity is. There are several denominations of Christendom today with contrasting beliefs and practices which are sometimes condemned by one another, to know what real Christianity is, one must study everything about it in the Bible. A Christian is a follower of Christ so we must study the Christian Greek scriptures or New Testament to know what Jesus Christ taught, commanded, and did as well as his disciples and compare it today.

Jesus Christ and his disciples were actively involved in preaching from house to house and it public places, they were not making noise on the streets. Today, who are the REAL Christians?

Jesus Christ taught and shared Bible truths, not popular customs and traditions and for that he and his disciples were hated. Who are the REAL Christians today?

He taught God's kingdom as the only solution for mankind, he withdrew from anything political and he was neutral on politics even rejecting to become king or world ruler. Same thing his disciples did. Who are the REAL Christians today?

Jesus Christ taught love and promoted peace, even giving up his life. He never blessed wars or told his disciples to fight when provoked or support any conflict. Who are the REAL Christians today?
Jesus never taxed anyone for money, he was not paid for religious services, he preached freely and taught his disciples to do same. They did not use religion for material gain. Who are the REAL Christians today?

Jesus Christ warned his disciples against acting like the Pharisees who liked to be addressed by men. He warned against religious titles because all of them are brothers neither should any treat another or be treated like he were the christ. Who are the REAL Christians today

Jesus Christ said his true disciples will be hated by all, persecuted and even imprisoned and killed for the sake of the good news. Who are the REAL Christians today

Jesus Christ and his disciples honored the Father. Most churches today disregard or don't know the Father. Who are the REAL Christians today

Jesus Christ when talking about the events in the last days said his disciples will be deeply involved in preaching the goodness of God's kingdom all over the globe. Most believe we're are in the last days, who are the people fulfilling that prophecy of Matthew 24:14

Jesus Christ said his disciples will be known and identified for their love for one another. Which religious group today have such love without displaying it for media attention?

The OP is an atheist who just want to create a thread to distract churchgoers from looking into his atheist thread, that's why i don't want to engage this misinformed Churchgoers!

triplechoice:
The general consensus amomgs Jewish scholars and rabbinic priests, who should understand that passage more than your JW group, is that the suffering servant refers to the nation of Israel And they have all explained for us that the ,"he" , in that passage collectively refers to the nation of Israel, and not just a single individual. That passage , together with the one before and after it, is replete with a lot of figurative expressions which your group have interpreted wrongly.
The people of Israel have no reason to expect a Messiah to die as a sacrifice for their sin, since they already know that their god detest human sacrifice. No judaist anywhere is expecting a Messiah that would come and die as a sacrifice for anything
You're joking if you think you understand their religion more than them.

Let them unite/agree in their understanding first then we will believe they know better than us! Luke 11:23

Aemmyjah:
The first image below is a PC board, I brought it up cos with your illustration of simple pendulum, I may conclude you are an engineer or physicist.

Now, as rough and small and insignificant as it seems to most people, without a PC board, we will never have ANY electronic device or enjoy it. Without it, our DVDs, phones, plasma TV and computer are just purposeless design. They will be just blank but the PC boars is like the foundation that controls the device somwe can watch and do whatever we like with our TV, phones and other gadgets

The next image below is a living cell. To most, it looks rough, small, and insignificant. But without cells, there will be no life, no me, no you, no universe. No wonder why it is called the basic and structural unit of life. It is very similar to the PC boars in some aspects

If I tell you that the PC board has no Maker, will you believe it?
Can you tell me that the cell, tissues,organs, systems, and everything in the natural world has no Maker?

Shameless atheists bring up every bait for feeble minded ones like them to swallow

If atheism is true, you should not be condemning others to make disciples, you should preach to UA without condemning other religions that Atheism is the way, if we are convinced, we'll also become atheists. Tell us what you have to offer without pointing fingers

I have always told them that they're also another religion the only thing here is they're like other religions that has nothing unique to teach in order to bring everyone together as one family. Unlike the true religion that's promoting love joy and peace all other religions including atheism is all about selfish cravings!

Aemmyjah:
I agree with that man
Just as the Pharisees knew the TRUTH that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, they still didn't listen to him cos they won't give up their lofty positions, they were selfish and greedy

Romans 1:20-32 talks much about the issue of homosexuality. There is no homosexual that does not know what Jehovah thinks about the conduct as verse 32 says, they even know that God condemns it. Why then did they still pursue such UNCLEAN, DISGUSTING conduct? It is because- as verse 28 says- they don't acknowledge God, they don't want to feel accountable to him. Why? Because they are filled with 'all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, badness, no understanding, no natural affection and they hate God'.
There you go, they have animalistic tendencies that even animals do not have, I've not seen a male goat try to mate a male goat.
They form, support and corece religions to support and approve their conduct as verse 32 says but the Bible says they will get the FULL PENALTY for their error. Such act is an error, never part of God's plan.
Such ones have no place in God's kingdom. Anyone who calls himself a Christian but is gay is fooling himself and anyone who approves such conduct whether he practice it or not is condemned by God

My brother the guy is the one confusing himself. I simply told him that nobody knows the truth and remain the same, it's either you join members of the truth so as to have peace of mind {John 14:27} or you begin harboring hatred for those bearing the truth! Act 4:18; 5:28

If anyone knows the truth they can never be comfortable seeing those bearing the truth while themselves are living in denial of it. So saying some people know the truth yet living comfortably without harboring bitter hatred for God's people is a big lie!

Of course that's exactly what happened to the Pharisees! John 11:47

immortalcrown:
Stop disgracing yourself here. Open a dictionary, learn the meanings of pretence, hypocrisy, lukewarmness and bias. Where in the Bible is it said that whoever knows the truth cannot live against the truth? If some people who live in sin do not know the truth, why do they hide their sinful acts? If the so-called pastors who secretly commit adultery and fornication do not know the truth, why do they hide the fornication and adultery?

Whatever makes you eat excrement shows that you still feel there's something good in it but then you have to hide when eating it because you know others will no longer treat you as a sane human.

The same is applicable to most people doing the wrong thing and hiding it. They still feel there's something worthwhile in what they're doing that's why Jesus said you will KNOW the truth and the truth will set you FREE! John 8:32

Everyone wants to be free but then when you don't know what freedom means surely you won't want to be free.

So my friend there's no sane human who knows the TRUTH and living against it.

Aemmyjah:
Ridiculous
When they meet feeble minded churchgoers, they attack him that there is no God, no Creator
When they meet REAL Bible students, they begin to say nonsense even about the existence of a Creator, they even change the scope of the definition of atheism to hide their folly. If I say I don't believe in angels, what does that mean or I say I don't believe in microorganisms?
They just bring up things to create question marks on your minds.
Because, he does not want to acknowledge God and won't acknowledge that atheists are delusional, he says atheism is lack of a belief in God? That's nonsense! He's the only person I seen to have come up with such notion. Exactly what do the atheists not believe in God, his qualities, dealings or his existence? The majority and common is in the existence of a god.
The real meaning of ATHEISM is the ABSENCE or the REJECTION of belief in the EXISTENCE of deities. One who believes in atheism is an atheist
Theism is the belief in the existence of a supreme being or deities and one who hold such belief is a theist. Since theism is opposite of atheism just as the opposite of good is bad, why do you try to change the whole theme of atheism cos you are scared and holding onto baseless beliefs that you should cast into the sea.

God is acknowledged as the supreme being, the one through whom all things in the natural world came into existence and exists.

Prove to us that there is no God. Tell us how life and the vast universe could come into existence without God. Already, Mr Wilgrea, you have nothing to prove since you are shaking the foundation of the concept of atheism

My brother ATHEISM is as old as Adam and Eve. They're the frontiers in Atheism. They never claimed that God doesn't exist because they heard Him speak but they won't ACKNOWLEDGE Him as their ruler, that's what most people don't know about atheists!

So don't think they're limited to any faculty or group, they can be found in virtually all the religions on this planet, in fact most of them do claim they're believers too!

But how can you distinguish between an atheist and a believer?

Well a believer not only agree that God exists but always willing to live by the standard set by God along with other believers.
So when Jesus asked us to go in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} he is talking about people who are humble at heart {Matthew 5:5} and wants to know what righteousness truly means so they can humbly submit to it! Zephaniah 2:2-3

As for atheists even when they claim there is God they still don't wish to be subjected to the same line of thought with anyone including those with whom they're claiming believers.

That's why Jesus cursed them saying they will be SCATTERED spiritually speaking {Luke 11:23} unlike true believers who enjoys peace from the heart after knowing that they're living by the same standard with their fellow believers {John 17:20-23} each atheists just feel like setting his or her own standard! Romans 10:2-3 compare to Genesis 3:5

immortalcrown:
I don't mean to insult you. Your problem is you have the strength to type long sentences but you lack wisdom and understanding. I simply told you that those people understand the Bible and know the truth you think they don't know. That they just choose to live against the truth does not mean they don't know the truth. Simple.

Ọmọ that's a lie!

The truth is an eye opener that nobody can be comfortable without living by it after knowing it because it will continue to hunt your soul. Hebrews 4:12

Once you see anyone living comfortably without having issues with neighbours and friends know that he or she has not known the truth at all because when you know the truth it will build a high fence barring you from those who don't welcome it {Psalms 1:1} while you're strongly attached only to the friends of truth. Mark 10:28-30

That's what Jesus of Nazareth (the truth) {John 14:6} said! Matthew 10:34-36

sonmvayina:
Read it again. There is no death or ressurection in the passage. .it is the king of the earth and God that is talking...not Isaiah. It is not a messianic prophesy...

Death and resurrection is the result of what that prophesy implies!

If a man bears the errors of a multitude {:4} he was pierced, crushed and because of his wounds we were cured {:5} led like a sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered without making any defense to rescue his own soul {:7}

Ọmọ what else do you need to agree that that is a SACRIFICIAL DEATH for the errors of others?

Well each time you argue this i just see you as an arrogant fellow who feels like imposing his erroneous teachings on others even when it's clear to everyone that you're wrong!