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immortalcrown:
They studied the Bible more than you have ever done. If an exam is to be set on the Bible, their high grades will surprise you. Going against the truth does not mean ignorance in most cases. They know the scripture but choose not to live according to the scripture.

immortalcrown:
You think they have not read those Bible verses?

43Ronin:
Ok bro, so God, dealt with the israelites by allowing the Romans thoroughly destroy his temple which housed his ARK & Holy of Holies as if the destruction was not enough, the man also desecrated the place & built a statue of himself & asking gods people to worship him In fact as if that was not enough, he also let the Muslims attack and capture his holy city because of israelites stubbornness? And then further help the Muslims build a mosque on top of his temple so that it will pain the israelites well well who will have no place of worship while the Muslims worship their idol. Is this how a God should think
You guys make God abstract thays why you believe stories like this

sonmvayina:
It is about a suffering servant...Isaiah already told you who the servant is in 41:1-8.
There is no death or ressurection in the passage.
Verse 10 says " he shall see his offspring and the will of the lord shall prosper in his hands...
The suffering servant is Israel...

triplechoice:
In those Bible verses and anywhere else in the same Bible, the Jews were never told a Jesus or Messiah would come to die for their sins as part of the any New covenant.
They were also never told that unless they believe in Jesus, they would never benefit from his death.
So, did Jesus come to change God's plan?

Kobojunkie:
Rubbish!

Kobojunkie:
A major problem with the claim you make there is that the audience of the statements, in all 3 cases, even Paul's assertions, were Jews. So?

And Jesus Christ never called His followers to become Jews - those who are of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, a land/kingdom that is of this world. Instead He called His followers out of the Kingdoms and lands of this world, into the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world.

Meaning there is more to what John and Paul said that you are obviously missing in your leap to claim it applies to the gentiles.

Lighthouse50:
All Gods do.

sonmvayina:
When did God ask for a human sacrifice?

sonmvayina:
How will the death or execution of an innocent man wipe away the sin I committed?

sonmvayina:
So since they worshipped local idols
You decided to worship a foreign one..
Very funny

Lukuluku69:
Are. You done counting?

Jacob, through his two wives and his two concubines had 12 biological sons; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali,Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

The above is where you get the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Ten were Lost when they went idolatrous and taken into captivity and deported by the Assyrians.

The Tribe of Judah being the most powerful assimilated the smaller Benjamites forming what is now known as The Jews ( an Alias from the name Judah: Yahuda)

If you will not be shouting like a YabaLeft patient, I can wean you but like all inmates, they never believed anything is wrong with them.

Lukuluku69:
Mugu Jehovah Madness man, you can Joseph as ONE and not his two Kids.

Joesph was Jacob's son and Joseph's TWO sons were Joseph's son

I will mention and call out LIES and wrong Notions. Simple. If you like wave bye bye to the world na your palava be that

I can see that my exposition which put a lie to what you post here is making you feel uncomfortable. That means you are responding to treatment and that is cool with me

Lukuluku69:
Jacob, through his two wives and his two concubines had 12 biological sons; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali,Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

Sebi you can count abi you need one of your sidekicks to count for you?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know what exactly this stupid Muslim man called lukuluku69 wants with me, i told him to stop quoting me he will not only to come mentioning me even though i've told him to stop it.

Now if you're interested in learning here are the THIRTEEN tribes Moses acknowledged as Israelites:

[1]Reuʹben
[2]Simʹe·on
[3]Leʹvi
[4]Judah
[5]Isʹsa·char
[6]Zebʹu·lun
[7]Benjamin
[8]Dan
[9]Naphʹta·li
[10]Gad
[11]Ashʹer
[12]Manasseh
[13]Ephraim

The last two are the sons of Joseph that Jacob adopted as his own sons and told the Israelites to forever acknowledge as his own sons instead of Joseph's! Genesis 48:1-22

That's why Ephraim and Manasseh were taken as separate tribes and each given his portion of inheritance as part of the Sons of Israel.

So when the Bible said ten were separated in the North as Samaritans Ephraim and Manasseh were counted among the ten while THREE remained in the south:
Judah
Benjamin
Levi
The Levites weren't given any inheritance {Deuteronomy 14:27} this tribe remain in the temple as priests and scribes, that's why only two were mentioned but the Levites who officiates in the temple are another tribe of the sons of Israel! Numbers 1:50-53 compare to Nehemiah 13:10

Please stop mentioning me if you feel like arguing do it with others i'm not interested in chatting with you!

sonmvayina:
This is a public forum.
We are here to educate ourselves and learn..
It is up to you if you are headstrong...
Your choice....
But know that because of your idolatry and those who follow a false god.
The creator is punishing us with bad leaders who don't care for us..

Lukuluku69:
Olodo want to run away after commiting an own Goal.

I am a Muslim, I will School you in Bible Studies and what it contains.

The Twelve Tribes of Israel came to be from the Twelve Children of Jacob who was surnames Israel.

The same way Daniel said Four Kingdoms but your Cult teaches FIVE KINGDOM when you smuggled Anglo-American Kingdom in. Lol

I will say again, I will school you and wean you of the babbles you have been feed with

Oya go and count the Number of Jacob children.

And why have your sidekicks been silent lately?

Lukuluku69:
Mugu Jehovah Madness man 12 Tribes.

Lukuluku69:
@Your first paragraph, the Jews Jesus met in Judea and any references to Jews consists of only TWO of the TWELVES Tribes that make up the Israelites.

The Tribe of Judah assimilated the smaller Benjamites while the other TEN were taken into Captivity by the Assyrians and deported from their Territories and are seemingly "Lost". We Muslims know ehte they are and who they are till now! If you want to know, I will show you from your Bible.

That Division came just after Solomon death when the other TEN Tribes broke away and form a separate Kingdom in Samaria. Despite being Kins, you will see that that eninity persisted till the time of Jesus because the Jews of Judea never reckoned with the Israelites of Samaria.

This is to correct your wrong notion ooo before you start bidding GOODBYE to the World. Lol

I am sure you won't get this kind of exposition from your Kingdom hall.

sonmvayina:
Can't you see pass the deception?
You have chosen the wrong God.
Jesus has no connection to the creator of the universe..there is no historical evidence for his existence..none at all..
I just don't know how to stress it again ..

sonmvayina:
You are not following this conversation..

Like you rightly said. The Torah was given to the Israelites..
I have no business with it...

I follow the tradition of my ancestors..

But you, you are following the god created by the Roman empire, the jesus is the new testament is not in anyway related to the Jews or the Torah. The Torah warned the Israelites not to make the image OR LIKENESS of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, not to serve it or bow down to it. They are also warned not to have any other god (intermediary) before God. That's all I have been singing in your ears.. ... The best you should have done is follow your heritage..

Can't you see your foolishness?

sonmvayina:
Exactly...
So is that why I should worship an idol?
He was addressing the people in front of him..

And the person who god raised for them was actually Joshua..
Not jesus, who according to the gospel writters had no father so he can't be from among them..Moses had a father and mother..

So understanding is key..

sonmvayina:
Who was Moses addressing ?
You go school at all?
When you take a text out of context..what you actually have is a con

hopefulLandlord:
Really?

LocalStandard1:
You can go deeper, explain pls.

mployer:
This sounds like asking the devil to read and practice the teachings of the Bible.

Oga, those people know what they are doing, They are a cult group. They only wish you don't know.

sonmvayina:
You where making sense from the begining and I was nodding my head.
All of a sudden you switched to insanity mode..
And spoilt everything...
Read it again and correct your mistakes..

sonmvayina:
Lol..
You really don't have sense....