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KnownUnknown:
Hire better shepherds so the sheep don’t get lost. Nevertheless, I hope the house of Israel doesn’t lack for meat and wool given all their lost sheep.

Funny atheists.
And can you or any of your professors stand a chance to challenge the high intellect of Jesus' appointed shepherds?

Nolevel666:
All of una na the same bros.
Man has always created ritual and dogma in order to escape death the fear of death.
Death is inevitable.
Strive to live your life to the fullest now instead of believing in fairy tales about how one deity is coming to repair the world so because of that,you should pretend to be an angel or whatever.
I work in a mortuary and i know what I’m saying.
It’s another world in there.
I’m living my life to the fullest!!

Funny commentator!

And who told you i'm living my life halfway?

LordReed:
Who is a "real Christian"?

That last statement alone is enough to tell that the OP knows nothing about Jesus Christ or his true disciples the REAL CHRISTIANS!

Davidtalo1:
Idk mate, you seem more interested in atheist topics than actual religious stuff.
If you weren't here i wouldn't have tagged you.
You and dtruthspeaker would make a great team. How about you guys team up together and start a crusade against atheism?
Since you both enjoy the topic?

Davidtalo1:
Oh I've seen something in common, you're both JW
Don't you think it's better using this energy to convince other christians you're real christians than trying to you know have meaningless discussions with atheists?
Speaking of that, I'll create that topic soon.
JW vs real christians

We are SEARCHING for THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Matthew 10:6

These are individuals who have interest in the origin of life and they're willing to give it all when they finds it!

We know they can be found anywhere so don't think we (JWs) are interested in fruitless arguments rather we are searching for people who love GOD.

Davidtalo1:
Oh hey max
Longest time, got any other bible verse?

The Bible verse is for faithful people not everyone not atheists! Matthew 7:6

Laeroy:
So just because some people created a mythology around the figure called Jesus, You believe that's true....
Well to you, everything about him is truth but to the Buddhists, Hindus and other religious people, they're nothing but Lies.......

Stop lying to your own soul my guy!

Muhatma Gandhi is a world class renoun Hindu and this is what he said after studying Jesus of Nazareth:


If we can all concentrate on the sermon of this man (Jesus) we will not only solve the problem in our individual countries but solve the world's problem ~ Muhatma Gandhi

Well Muhatma was disappointed in those claiming CHRISTIANS in his own time so he told them:

"You people are unlike your CHRIST"


How i wish Muhatma lived to see what happens when Jesus returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group who now bear a unique group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Of course those people are false religions killing the conscience of many like you! Matthew 24:12

Aemmyjah:
I'm not yet an MS, I'm not even looking forward to it cos I have a form of disability I'm managing, a mild thorn in the flesh but Jehovah has been helping me carry on some assignments and to accomplish my ministry. I just contribute anyway I can.
Was baptized 2019. I'm so happy I was baptized then cos I definitely wouldn't have done so these pandemic times, the pandemic really hit me hard spiritually

Just stay on this forum and continue following the discussion going on here i'm sure you will continue to praise JEHOVAH for bringing you out of the spiritual darkness of the world into His wonderful light {Ephesians 5:8} as you see how deeply affected many are in the spiritual famine that's hitting hard on this faithless generation! Amos 8:11

Aemmyjah:
I think I disagree with you
The OP was asking what made atheists to stop believing in religion, not God
He's right cos the major thing that has given birth to atheists here is religion and I know you won't want to defend religions who are blaspheming God and turning people away from God and the truth about him.
When one is affected by religion, and he tries to join another and he sees that though they are different, they extort him, draw him away from God or hypocritical, you can't blame them if they conclude there is no God when those acting as spokesmen have failed massively- preaching peace but in times of conflict, blessing violence and destruction in the name of ethnicity and patriotism.
And when calamity strikes, they are distressed when they hear the words from the clergymen 'It is the will of God'. They love God and did everything pleasing to him and when calamity strikes, they are downhearted cos their religious leaders always lie to them that godly people always receive blessings and not calamities. Those that sing 'Abraham's blessings are mine' do not know the tests and challenges he faced to remain faithful

Personally, one yeye Pentecostal elder called out my mum in Church few years ago in the front of the people on a Sunday, I was a drummerboy then, I would have forgiven the man if it were on other days and not in Sunday. This man called her out and said she is guilty of murder (till today, it still baffles me that she did not hear anything he was saying until he asked everyone to pray for her), I was so mad, I wanted to throw the drum sticks at the both of them. I well knew she can't hurt a dog but that is what we hear today when someone enters a Church and the pastor says that the mother is responsible for his problems whereas the mother is long dead. When pastor later called mum privately to his office and asking her who she killed, she kept insisting she was innocent until she cried. She said she did not hear anything the elder was saying. I wanted to leave to go to Redeemed or Winners PR Christ Embassy, all are just the same thing. I wanted to join Catholic, I felt that use of images were wrong and I don't like the history of wars, I showed interest in Mormon, Islam, Buddha, some religions are not even in Africa. I was so few up and decided to be an atheists but atheism is not the answer either. I got fed up and prayed to God to help me draw close to him if truly there is a religion that teaches and practices the truth, I did not pray cos I don't know how to pray, I wrote a letter to him and put in under a table on the pulpit. He answered my prayers, who would have believed that I, Emmanuel Gabriel will be one of Jehovah's Witnesses and a zealous preacher? That's why I try to put myself in their shoes when I meet those who are disappointed in religion. Religion waters are drying up, most pastors don't care and most are beginning to teach nonsense that will keep their members especially when it has to do with Sex and we're in a sex mad world

You can't blame those ones, it is those who just want to reject God cos they don't want to feel accountable to him so they can pursue selfish desires that are to blame. They are the most foolish set on this universe, they have the same understanding as animals they adopt who only eat, drink and mate. They don't know God or show appreciation for him. They're pitiable.

Besides, people are taught at school that evolution is the answer and religion is incompatible with science

The wrong thing is the conclusion that there is no God or no true religion. God is the one who gave us this spiritual need and he too must set a place for those who really want to worship him acceptably. If there is no God, there will be no religion but the Bible says he does not accept all. There's only one road

It's foolish for a person who discovered that all his money are counterfeit to CONCLUDE that every naira is bad. There may be millions of others making fake money but as long as the Nigerian minting and printing company is fully in operation, the only legal company printing Nigeria currency for the nation, the legal money is still available, he should do well to study it and use it

Same illustration applies to religion, in God's eyes, there's only one religion but the others lead to destruction but since all claim to worship God, what will help one to find the true religion? He does not have to study every religion, he must allow God to guide him and the only guidance is in God's word, the Bible

The Bible says that God's people honor God's name, who are doing so today?
God's people have deep love for one another above other things and they won't go to war but promote peace? Who are doing so today?
God's people preach and teach the good news of God's kingdom and not some human government. Who are doing so today?
God's people promote Bible truths and not philosophy or human tradition like immortality of soul, hellfire, image and ancestor worship, who are doing so today?
God's people are politically neutral, who are those today?
God's people honor God's word
They put faith in Jesus Christ
The true religion do not have a clergy-laity system
They don't follow worldly standards
Bible says that they will be hated and persecuted by everyone, even to the point of imprisonment, who are those today?

Only Jehovah's Witnesses possesses all the characteristics of the true religion according to God's standards

99.9% of those claiming atheists today are victims of atrocities going on in false religion! Matthew 24:12

lebron7:
And what good has your God brought to this country?
Look around you before you reply

My God!

So you haven't heard of
"JEHOVAH" the God who made a promise @ Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated it @ Micah 4:1-3?

Well He used His Active Force to gather millions across the globe, educated them with His word (Bible) and they have settled all their racial disparities among themselves, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons in their hearts and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again. And as for WARS they're saying GOODBYE!

That's what my own God is achieving GLOBALLY!

Laeroy:
The truth is subjective dear, Your truth is someone else's lie...

Nobody has monopoly of truth.......

Try to study the words of Jesus of Nazareth then come back and let's discuss on monopoly of TRUTH! John 14:6

Aemmyjah:
I really want to see you!
Even be like you
I imagine if you were in our congregation
I do pay attention to people's comments but those who give mature comments like you, my middle ears and inner ears pay attention.
Na me for be your regular partner in the ministry na, I will just be learning, I love learning from others to improve myself
You're doing well
Don't mind these people
They don't know anything, it will be hard to help someone who is wise in his eyes when he does not know anything.
We have the Truth
There's no way everyone can't accept it, not everyone accepted Jesus Christ in his day, they even killed him and persecuted his apostles and killed them.
So I always have this realistic view that not will react differently.

My brother do you know i got baptized in the year 2014? Well that's exactly 100 years when Jesus visited the earth but i only use to pray for you guy each time i remember how you often come to my place both during rain and sunshine back then when i was wallowing in ignorance claiming Muslim.

Well one of these days we will meet in person, my direct mobile number is with Cornelboy and Janosky but wait until i become an elder then i will reduce my comments on this forum but until then i'm still less busy as a ministerial servant!

udemzyudex:
You're going back to zero,you asked this same question the first time and I asked you what do you understand by the word trinity and you brought up one pagan nonsense.

Now you're taking me back to Square one,i already gave you some bible reference but then I want you to tell me the meaning of trinity from your own understanding.

Because I want you to really want to know your own understanding of the word trinity, “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”

So I want your own personal understanding of the word trinity before I go further but before then I want you to give me your own reference from your own Bible where it says the word trinity doesn't exist.


Don't beat around the bush because I know you're not a kid,let's have a meaningful discussion here.

Guy TRINITY no dey inside Bible, period!

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind him
When he's sick, he goes to visit Doctor Jesus and give him his money

It's on social media like this that you will know why those yahoo big boys claiming pastors often extort money from them like mugus.

They love lies so those guys use the opportunity to collect their money! 2Timothy 3:13

How can a human being (not some machine) keep arguing blindly about the use of medicines that even their teachers in religion will never ever condemn?

Just one thing: LACK OF WISDOM! Hosea 4:6

Most people don't do a thorough investigation about life and humanity so when they're tired of the evil going on around them they will say "there is no God" Psalms 10:4

But then is anyone related to God so as to always expect a easy way out when your fellow humans brings their troubles?

NO! Is the answer.

So when someone now concludes saying since "God didn't come to rescue believers it means He doesn't exist" i laugh at their stupidity. Because God has His own program and whoever wants a proof of His existence only need to know His program and see if it's not in progress, running a conclusion on our own thinking without considering what God himself said is nothing but LACK OF WISDOM!

AgentNairaland:
Is it frustration the cause of your dilemma as you don't know which account to use interacting with me? Well, I won't blame you just because you are still in darkness even for engaging traditional herbalists for healing and these same people will also prepare money ritual for whosoever needed it! Is that what you religion stands on? Vigorous darkness is looming in your JW!

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni my account was barred by the virus on Nairaland that's why i switched to my wife's account. So talk about what is on ground, none of your fellow Churchgoers will agree with you that medicine whether chemicals or herbal is evil because they all go for treatment even you yourself know that you're lying to your own soul!

Aemmyjah:
At the end, those who deny God can't make him deny himself
At the time before they die, they start speaking things and you wonder what is scaring them, some are scared and others are negative
Soon, he'll die, buried, become part of history and be forgotten for all time. So atheists and Bible critics come and go, the Bible has always endured for thousands of years, Jehovah remains for all eternity. If I were God, though imperfect as I am, why would I bother myself if someone were to say that about me?
It's like a mad man doubting the sanity of a sane person and shouting it in the market square.
To illustrate, I hear many people say Buhari is not the president of Nigeria, that he died and the person there is a clone or an imposter or a look alike, that is very ridiculous comment I hear but I'm shocked that people still believe so. People still don't believe in corona virus that it exists or existed but an hoax

Corona virus is there whether we believe it or not
Buhari will not force or appeal anyone to believe he is still alive or the same person
How much more the invisible God? Should he come and pay Soyinka a visit? No, Soyinka has millions of evidence around him. If he is really intelligent and wise (not literature smart), he'll see that the existence of God is inexcusable

True my brother, His invisible qualities are seen everywhere and they are INEXCUSABLE! Romans 1:20

Aemmyjah:
What helps in the ministry is this
Read all the accounts of those in the Bible that celebrated birthday
Both Pharoah and Herod are not worshippers of God
No faithful worshippers of God is mentioned to have celebrated birthdays, not one
For example, there are places in the Bible that mentions where Moses and Barzillai were speaking 'Today, I am ...years old' but they did not celebrate it but secular research shows that birthday celebration occuree in other pagan lands but it was connected to the spiritism or superstition
We don't do anything that have origin in the superstition or spiritism
Neither are we 'Pharoahic' Christian nor 'Herodic' Christian
The Christmas of today does not even honor Jesus Christ one percent

They are all politicians!

Jesus has become like a scapegoat in their eyes so they can make statues of him like a demigod {Luke 11:48} his legacy they will trash and whoever raise what Jesus taught as worthy of emulation they will gnash their teeth at the person! John 15:19

So instead of working towards what Jesus commanded they will prefer to honour him with their lips {Matthew 15:8} but him they will worship as if he asked them to worship him! Matthew 15:9

Aemmyjah:
The funniest part is that these ones feel they are wise in their own eyes but how foolish they are in God's eyes and those who worship him.
You're right brother
Let him win all the Nobel prizes, let him bring all the trophies to Nigeria including the world cup? How will it benefit the citizens?
There are other writers in Nigeria, we have Achebe who I've always rates as my greatest African writer, we also have Chinmanda Adichie and the rest. These ones are also intelligent and profess a belief in God, still, Jehovah does not need man to openly profess belief in him to prove he exists. He is not like other false gods we have.
So those who openly profess atheists or something are already a minus in His eyes. Is that not what Satan wants?

I'm not sure Soyinka is professing Atheism or maybe I did not read his comments well, I tink he's just being irreligious

He's just as confused as many of his colleagues in philosophy who made no investigations about God. So he wants to sit on the fence. The last time politicians played a fast one on Nigerians regarding the condition of late Imaru Yah adua, the imams travelled and came back to tell Nigerians that the man is alive, the pastors did the same, delegates of the African Union and United Nations did the same and brought the same report only for uncle Wole to say Traditionalists should go as well that he will believe the report of Traditionalists. If truly he is wise he should have known that there is no truth in politics you can only know the truth when they turn against one another and that is if you're listening not to what they say but reading their actions!

chysam:
What makes him a foolish man?
Can you do explain?

CoolAmbience:
How is he foolish?
What do understand by religion?

When people hear the word "RELIGION" what comes to your mind?
Is it what the people do or what God said?
How do you distinguish between what God said and what people do due to their selfish cravings?

Well that man is FOOLISH because just like billions in the world he made no investigations but based on the bad attitude of people around him he ran a conclusion on religion. Psalms 10:4
There is ORIGINAL and FAKE money do you think it's wise to conclude that there's nothing useful in money because of the prevalence of counterfeit money?

This man pursued a career rated by the white supremacists and won an award then became wise in his own eyes always talking trash while his schoolmates who also did the same are looting the treasury box only for him to start speaking the white man's language as if that's what will stop the evil or hinder those looters.

He keeps making statements that's of no use all because he refused to acknowledge the one and only true God who said:

So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. Ecclesiastes 4:1

All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt. Ecclesiastes 8:9

What is the essence of his worldly philosophy when he's caged in a corner only to become a basket mouth whose utterances only brings more pain to the masses?

For your information, each time people like him utter any word those in politics only restrategize to make life harder for the people because they will work towards making his statements useless. They don't believe in God just as he himself doesn't but they're wiser {Luke 16:8} in the sense that they pretend to be religious so as to gain the support of gullible masses but in their hearts they are real atheists! 2Timothy 3:5

So his statements only rings a bell in the hears of unbelievers who are carried away with the foolishness of this system of things, he knows next to nothing when it comes to religion and politics!

udemzyudex:
Not found in your own bible, because I already gave you reference in my Bible.

Don't lie nah!

You don't have to start twisting what is written in God's word, i say quote any version as in ANY VERSION of the Bible where the word "TRINITY" is found written, that's all.

Laeroy:
Now I believe in God, thankfully I'm now as wise as you parents .....
Ewu.....

My parents aren't even believers so you failed woefully, i'm not a fan of nepotism if my own father or mother acts foolishly i won't hesitate to tell him/her

"dad/mum that's foolishness on your path"

Ọmọ nobody will tell you that with LOVE so try to cherish those who will always tell you the truth no matter how bitter it is!

lebron7:
Lol
A noble prize winning playwright is foolish?

"Noble prize" that has brought nothing good to you or your country.
Abeg shey all you people are atheists sha or you just don't know the meaning of God's word?

In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” Psalms 10:4

So don't think i'm the one calling the stupid fool what he really is rather it's the Bible God's word that i echoed:

The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalms 14:1

According to God's word such a man has no KNOWLEDGE or WISDOM! Proverbs 1:7; 9:10

etrouble:
A man nobody in your generation will never be up to

What has he contributed to your countries?

Ọmọ some of you just wake up thinking when someone wins an award he has done something worthy of emulation.

He only became a professor in philosophy and that can and will never do you or your country any good take it or leave it!

Laeroy:
I don't believe he exists, now kill yourself....
She - goat.

Good!
Next time don't confuse yourself trying to make sense out of nonsense, nobody will flog you if you say you don't believe in God but when some idiots takes you seriously then we will have to tell them that you're foolish like Wọle Soyinka. Period!

AgentNairaland:
You don't want to talk to me but you are using different accounts to get the fact from me, don't you think something is wrong somewhere?

Go and tell your facts to your Church people who build hospitals and tell them they're wrong for using medicines to treat illnesses!

udemzyudex:
If trinity is not found in the Bible, where's is this 3 pagan tradition found in the Bible?
I gave you some bible reference,I want us to give me a Bible reference too,and in fact you can do it from your JW bible because I already know where you will go to,but I want a reference even at that.
I asked you a simple question and you're saying there's is no reason to be upset about this,who told you I'm upset?
What type of game are you trying to play, bringing in this unnecessary talk just to deviate from the question huh?

Since the word TRINITY is not found in the Bible then asking me it's meaning calls for the history or origin of TRINITY and that what i just told you!

jaephoenix:
I didn’t want to contribute to this for fear of this mad spamb9t restricting my account. But I'll chip in
I am a Physician of 16 years experience. Blood transfusion is a life saver. Reason why hospitals all over the world go for blood drives. Reason why there are blood banks globally. So I don't know where Max got his narrative that health workers abhor transfusions
Now bloodless surgeries are safe, no doubt, but guess what? They don't apply to all surgeries, they are very expensive and not every surgeon can operate that way. We doctors try as much as possible to reduce blood loss during ops but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and u end up with angry bleeders. So what do u do? Not many Nigerians can afford minimally invasive procedures. Example, open appendicitis is circa 50k to 250k but laparoscopic appendicitis(which is a bloodless surgery) is around 1 to 1.5m. Now Caesarean Section and abdominal myomectomy are very bloody ops. Myomectomy is surgical removal of fibroids. Only certain fibroids can be removed by a laparoscopic myomectomy and they have to be small. So if the fibroids are large, numerous or deeply embedded in the uterus, then an abdominal myomectomy may be necessary. So if you are a Witness, what do u do?
Another point Witnesses get it wrong is the blood substitutes they use like haemacel etc. Now these substances don't replace blood and they are damn costly. About 50k for a pint, while a pint of blood is around 5k. Imagine a patient that needs 3 pints… Worse still, if they are bleeding profusely from say big lacerations and stab wounds, haemacel and other subs are plain useless. U need blood
Now we arrive at the issue of transfusion reaction. Like I pointed out earlier, I have been in practice for circa 16 years, and have been transfusing patients and I haven't seen 1 fatal reaction. Just one febrile reaction which I gave a shot of hydrocort, ran some saline and still recommenced the transfusion later which completed peacefully. My point… blood transfusion reactions are getting less and less troublesome. It's even less troublesome now we have better screening techniques and better drugs to counter them if they do happen
Thanks for attending my Ted talk, sirs

I'm not a health personel but one thing is sure i have many of your colleagues back in school who disclosed to me that there are certain things your faculty must keep away from the public so as to continue being relevant in the society. For instance traditional medical practitioners had to continue dragging with your faculty for decades over the right to make drugs just because your white supremacists insisted on sidelining them.
So i'm not arguing with you on whether you're a physician or not but the people talking about hazards in blood transfusion aren't JWs rather they're also certified health personels so instead of mentioning me you can refute their claims!

johnw47:
false jw mad maximus


your post doesn't absolve you of saying you have your governing body, you follow your governing body,

and i say again: we Christians have Christ, we follow Christ


to put it in terms for even a simpleton to understand:

you have your governing body's teachings, you follow your governing body's teachings

Christians have Jesus teachings, we follow Jesus teachings

you false jw's sure are dum, aren't you

Use the Bible to prove that Jesus has any direct dealing with gentiles because the Bible say he (Jesus) will not change {Hebrews 13:8} don't argue blindly use God's word and show everyone on this forum that the real Jesus has changed into having direct dealings with none Jews! Matthew 10:6; 15:24

The real Jesus has no direct dealings with any individual who is not a Jew so he told his listeners that when it comes to personal needs they should make their petitions known to God (directly) {Matthew 6:6} but when it has to do with the work he assigned to his disciples they should form a team and their prayer will attract his attention! Matthew 18:20


So instead of arguing blindly use God's word to prove that you people know the real Jesus not a demon deceiving you into lawless acts! Matthew 7:21-23

Lukuluku69:
Sir Babbler, Herod was not an Israelite but rather Edomite.

Faithful Israelites of ancient times had the fear of God so they don't copy Canaanite's traditions {Deuteronomy 12:30} but politicians aren't faithful to God because they love the glory of the world. That's why Herod Antipas marked his birthday like other politicians of his time who are from pagan nations, and as you can see it's this pagan guests he wanted to please when he sent guards to behead God's prophet in honour of birthday! Matthew 14:9, 26

Thanks for the interest shown!

Aemmyjah:
Bro Max, you should've put this man on your blacklist, he's full of insults and it's funny how you answer him. It is like an adult arguing with a nasty child

When intelligent adults are discussing on what really matters in faith it's good to entertain some faithless hoodlums who are just in for fruitless arguments. Right thinking persons will find the truth as we keep supporting each point with the scripture while faithless people will be dancing around with in faithlessness.

Remember the words of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus when he said:

"go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6

My brother, the lost sheep will read this and find the truth no matter how hard faithless miscreants try to disrupt meaningful discussions like this. We will remain cautious as serpent and harmless as dove! Matthew 10:16

Agape, my brother!

udemzyudex:
You just ignored my question and talk about a pagan tradition,if that's the case,who were the people worshipping this 3 god's in pagan tradition you mentioned?

But then I want you to read Genesis 1:26 and then read John 1 Vs 1-5


Even in the Qur'an, Muhammad understand the word trinity to be Jesus,his father and Mary the mother.

Now I wonder where you get the 3 pagan gods from, despite the fact that Muhammad was from a pagan house hold he never saw trinity as the worship of 3 pagan gods,I want to know where you got this your analogy from.

Google "trinity in ancient pagan traditions"

I told you it's not found in the Bible so there is no reason to be upset about this!

udemzyudex:
What's the meaning of the word trinity?
Let's start from there first.

Well it's not found anywhere in the Bible though it's an ancient pagan tradition of three gods that are worshiped as equals in different cultures around the world back then!

See below picture: