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ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, what are you teaching your fellow members in your occultist religion, JWs? How to use herb for ritual with the help of your herbalist abi?
Shey na God created the demons possessed phone and the internet you are using, why is this question hard for you to answer?
The herb God created according to the Bible verse you posted here, did you read it that God used it for healing and ritual purposes abi which kind stupidity dey disturb your life

God's word says it's for my use so that's none of your business!

uche40:
Radiate boundless love for the entire world- above, below, and across- unhindered, without ill will, without enmity.
- Guatama Buddha

This is all i need in your comment!

Please how far has the book you're quoting influenced people from all the nations like the Bible that gathered millions throughout the earth under one umbrella.

I present to you JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the product of that book i'm quoting: BIBLE

The story of Jehovah's Witnesses having serious issues in countries like Germany, North Korea, South Korea, Croatia, Russia and many others where Jehovah's Witnesses has been banned for shunning politics, racism and military services all due to the love we have for our neighbours!

So tell me more about the book you quoted and those practicing what is written in it so we can discuss about the benefits just i am rubbing the achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses in your face!

Templee333:
its good to praise them because
when you praise them they swell up & continue displaying their naivity.

NAIVETY indeed!

OkCornel:
His words were unconditional. “Anyone who is not against you is for you”

As long as you're not with us doing the work we aren't on the same page with you!

You must be baptized as one of us after studying with us and agreeing with all terms and conditions binding us together as ONE!

OkCornel:
Luke 9 v 49-50;
49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”

50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

Jesus has not established any group when his disciples did that but after pentecost all those claiming believers throughout the earth must be in subjection to the decrees made by the Apostles {Act 2:42} and for your information that's what Jesus meant when he said:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:19

So don't be deceived if you're not one of those working with the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you can't possibly be a worshiper of our God!

SopaterOfBeroea:
Bible Scholars my foot
Just ask any of them what is HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS?
Them go just dey look you

Abeg where are the FRUIT of your grammar? Matthew 7:16-18


Look around you and see zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word erasing politics and racism from the hearts of millions throughout the earth! James 2:18-26

Ọmọ keep your HERMENEUTICS and EXEGESIS in your pocket if we can't see the result in our neighborhood!

SopaterOfBeroea:
Maximus: "Holy Spirit spoke to us to stop selling our publications"

OtenaAron: "How did he speak to you,I thought it's just an active force".

Maximus: "Through study and prayerful meditation God's active force speaks to us through the Bible that we should stop selling our mumu books, we should dash it for free.

*I never seen confusion reach this level oooooo
Archoladey

Ọmọ have you ever heard of the phrase
"Action SPEAKS louder than words?"

Well actions don't say a word in a literal sense it's just a figurative expression.

Now call all your friends to refute that!

SeniorMan715:
What of reading or listening to political news ?

That's OK because by reading and listening you will know what Satan is doing to people around you with the DEMONIC wind he's blowing, then you can know what to do next! Luke 21:20-21

OkCornel:
You're missing my question.
Can you obey the Holy Spirit and Satan AT THE SAME TIME?

You're deflecting!

The point is anyone can be misled by Satan if you're not sticking to the TRUTH which is the WRITTEN words of God: Bible!

cornelboy:
Lol God gave Moses a religion for his people.
And now he also established another form of worship through Christ his son.
So what truth are you into exactly.
Pls kindly share it with us.

Satan is fighting really tough {1Peter 5:8} to get as many as possible into atheism so no church today can stand the heat except Jehovah's organization! 1Peter 1:7
So all forms of standards established by man is collapsing globally, false religions based on man's wisdom are falling away {Revelations 6:16; Luke 23:30} that's why most Churchgoers are ashamed to speak about the doctrines of their churches because they're already aware that it's not producing anything worthwhile.
But watch them closely all they're expecting from JWs is to do the same to our own source of divine guidance whereas we know that the Governing Body are the spiritual Jews {Zechariah 8:23} or Jesus' spiritual brothers who are serving as the faithful and discreet slave! Matthew 24:45

OkCornel love to be called a worshiper of God but i will continue to tell him that if he's not with us he can't be a worshiper of our own God {Luke 11:23} because you can only be one of us when you're doing the WORK with us! James 2:18-26

SeniorMan715:
Please is discussing politics bad?

It is EVIL as in DEMONIC!

No JWs must engage in it because it's totally against the spirit of our God, you can't discuss politics without taking sides and that's what is leading people into killing people! Revelations 6:3-4

So when people are discussing politics Run! Run! Run! Because Satan is not far from that scene!

OkCornel:
Was Peter filled with and led by the Holy Spirit before the Pentecost?

Ọmọ even after the pentecost Peter was led by the demon of racism {Galatians 2:11-14} what do you think Paul used to convince Peter that something is wrong?
Well it's the written word of God:

You will then rejoice over all the good that Jehovah your God has given you and your household, you and the Levite and the foreign resident who is among you. Deuteronomy 26:11

The gentiles who has accepted Christ is no longer a pagan so they can eat and drink together with such ones but which spirit led Peter and the others to display that racist attitude?
God's Holy Spirit or a demonic spirit controlling unbelieving Jews?

cosiocan:
The Holy Spirit belongs to the Father Elohim and proceeded from our Father Elohim to us.
A person is not separated from his Spirit unless that person is dead, therefore the Holy Spirit is the person from whom He proceeded from that's Father Elohim.
John 8:42
Yeshua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead.

The breath of life is the spirit actuating our body {Ecclesiastes 12:7 compare to Genesis 2:7} it is not a person but God's active force!

uche40:
Strange how you don't see that the malicious exclusion of individuals who dont practice your specific faith is the direct antithesis of promoting love and peace. You're no different from any other cult group that is only satisfied with the selfish interests of their organization at the detriment of external relations of the cult members with their own family members and harmony with the world around them. Just stop abeg. You're too delusional.

Plus I like how you only addressed the exclusion of ex-members and didn't address the other criticisms I brought up. You're not just deluded. You are wilfully ignorant.

Please follow the link below to see how "God's people" ruined this woman's life and tore her family apart
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320

There are just two roads, one leading to everlasting life and the other leading off into destruction! Matthew 7:13-14

No matter how you try politics will always lead you into hating and killing your neighbours {Revelations 6:3-4} that's the broad road but the narrow road is Jehovah's Witnesses organization where all of us agreed to submit ourselves under God's standard.

So if anyone has known this fact then turn back into politics you may not see reasons why we must shun them because you don't how deadly such a person has become but we know they've become deadly as they can run mad anytime politics or racism calls then some will have to side with either Obi, Tinubu or Atiku.
Then bloodshed will start because they're no part of God's family who love their neighbours more than politics and racism! Mark 12:29-31
When we shun them you only see the shunning but do you know that they've become dangerous to you when politics and racism calls?

I'm not forcing you to chat with me but i won't release you simply because you want to turn it into exchange of insults!
NO! NEVER! I will tell you the truth that you can't find elsewhere except among God's people: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

For your information Russians and Ukrainians are killing themselves today whereas if you find anyone among those carrying weapons against their neighbours it's either atheists, agnostics, churchgoers, Buddhists, Hindus, Judaists, Muslims Traditionalists or EX-JWS but as for members of God's organization we have vowed never to raise weapons against our fellowman! Isaiah 2:4

May you have PEACE!

OkCornel:
In the example you gave, if Peter was already filled with the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus promise them the comforter/spirit of truth which filled all the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?

Apparently you might be contradicting 1 John 2 v 26-27. Can you be led by the Holy Spirt and be deceived “at the same time”?

What was leading Jesus of Nazareth and why did Satan came to deceive Jesus if someone led by God's Holy Spirit can't be deceived? 1Corinthians 10:12

Those led by God's Holy Spirit must stick to the Bible (the TRUTH) otherwise Satan can still mislead them. That's what helped Jesus to win the battle against Satan as he kept quoting the Bible {Matthew 4:4, 7, 10} the sword of the spirit {Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} the ultimate TRUTH! John 17:17

ANTIlSLAM:
In a nutshell no one to help you out here abi which kind being are you ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO. Kuku tell your herbalist to help you out nah shey na ritual stuffs the man is good at nii?


1. Can you eat animal sacrifice to ogun (god of iron) since you believe in them but not in their gods?

2. Since your own divine wisdom said you should patronized BABALÁWO for healing and deliverance, How will you preach to babaláwo to accept your Jehovah with your umbrella and watchtower since you have made his shrine your second home?

3. Where did your Bible said you should be satisfied with your babaláwo's products and patronize them?

4. Is it in your kingdom hall your alagba told you that oyinbo that made the phone you are using and other stuffs like that has to consults demonic spirit b4 been made?

5. Where did you get your 6,000 years in the Bible?

Faithless and arrogant churchgoer!

Call me anything you want i'm not going to teach you further just know that demons can't possess the things God created for my use it's a human who sold his soul to them they have possesed but as for HERBS and ROOTS nah my God make am so i fit use am for my own good!

cosiocan:
That Spirit realm where Yah'shua returned is the Spirit of His Father.. The Kingdom of Elohim is Living in the Holy Spirit of Elohim.
Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of YHUH is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Ọmọ the point here is that the Holy Spirit is not a person but God's active force.

OkCornel:
Can a true believer walk with the Holy Spirit and still be deceived at the same time?

1 John 2 v 26-27 comes to mind…

YES!

Jesus was taken to the wilderness by the Holy Spirit it was at the end when God's Holy Spirit released him that another spirit being came in disguise {2Corinthians 11:14} after a thorough meditation on the thoughts and intentions of the spirit talking to him that Jesus discern that this one is Satan {Matthew 4:1-10} Satan just gave him a breathing space perhaps he can get him some other time! Luke 4:13

Peter was with Jesus body and soul when Satan entered into him! Matthew 16:21-23

So if Satan can use different means to catch Jesus who is imperfect human that Satan can't catch him?

Templee333:
Bible scolars, i dey hail una-o

We value our HERITAGE! Isaiah 54:17

uche40:
And whose fault is it that man's understanding is too flawed that it needs constant updating to decipher God's word? An all-powerful benevolent deity that has his creations' best interests at heart could definitely come up with a better religious manuscript than the sufficiently vague Holy Bible -- rather than gamble with his creations' collective salvation by leaving them with the choice to "ask for wisdom". I'm sure you are convinced that your understanding of scripture is infallible, so do you think you are more wise than the countless religious instructors around the world who teach that God is all-knowing and does not change his mind? This might be far from your true intentions, but you're making your God sound so clueless and incompetent.

Whatever your opinion!

uche40:
Oga you are delusional
The royal commission uncovered a vast cache of files compiled by Jehovah's Witnesses members over more than 60 years. These files documented allegations and confessions of the abuse of more than 1,800 children by more than 1,000 alleged perpetrators in Australia. The royal commission found no evidence the Australian branch office had ever alerted authorities about any of the alleged abuse documented in these files.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320
Dr. George D. Chryssides and Dr. James A. Beverley have reported that Witness publications teach that individuals' consciences are unreliable and need to be subordinated to scripture and to the Watch Tower Society. Beverley describes the belief that organizational loyalty is equal to divine loyalty as the "central myth" of Jehovah's Witnesses employed to ensure complete obedience. Andrew Holden has also observed that Witnesses see no distinction between loyalty to Jehovah and to the movement itself. According to him, Witnesses are "under official surveillance" within the congregation. He noted that members who cannot conscientiously agree with all the movement's teachings are expelled and shunned.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses
Please show me the love, joy and peace in 1) the mistreatment and ostracizing of former Jehovah Witness members, 2) governing your members through autocracy and coercion, 3) denying your members proper healthcare even in life threatening situations, 4) covering up cases of sexual abuse within your organization etc.

I'm sure you should believe in LOGICS so if i become a close confidant to someone when we both agreed on certain terms and conditions then the person decides to shun the term and conditions that binds us together as close confidants please what else should i do to such a person?
Well in my own opinion since each person has his or her own minds before we agreed on terms and conditions then we can both return to our old ways the bond is no more! Luke 9:62; Romans 16:17

cosiocan:
Bible Recorded that Yah'shua ascended into heaven and won't return until his second coming. But sent the Spirit of his Father to be with his Apostles. How come Yah'shua was talking to Ananias? Except through the Spirit of His Father which was on Earth with Ananias

NO! Jesus is a person and after his resurrection and ascension he returned to the spirit realms. So just as he talked to Paul who is not a believer (directly) he also spoke to Ananias. But God's Holy Spirit will only guide believers!

ANTIlSLAM:
It is now the gospel of arrogant and not Mat. 7:7 again, I said it nah, den never born you well to answer the questions. O kere simi gan, invite your alagba to join me here for discussions. Who tell you say herb is not the work of God? You sha fail to show us where God use herb for healing

Go and meet your pastors for knowledge after all your god differs from mine so whatever i use has nothing to do with you as long as i will never support any politician to kill my neighbour!

Lukuluku69:
If you are truly intelligent as you claimed, then mentioning Islam/Muslims will attract my humble response.
That is simple. You don't have to struggle to understand that if you are intelligent as you claim.

Lukuluku69:
I can see that one of ytiur sidekick has come to your rescue. Lol
No deal. If I mention you be intelligent enough not to reply.

It's OK.

I just want to confirm and it's clear now that you're not a man of your own words!

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, if you ignore completely, I won't be reading this and won't be replying you

So now do we have a deal not to mention or quote each other again?

cornelboy:
No one's holding back from commenting. But when someone tells you to that he's not interested in discussing with you and you keep pressuring him, is that not the beginning of madness?

I just want to starve him jàre!

He loves chatting with JWs for meaningful conversation but at the same time he will become enraged when the discussion goes against his preferred religion.
So i don't want to chat with him again even when he comes quoting me i will not give him the pleasure to enjoy any meaningful conversation with me.
Let him go and meet his kind who loves arguing in support of their worthless religions!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO oooo you are kinda funny mehn, I'm learning from buroda mufu that couldn't defend his occultist religion, JWs

So all the questions never related to what we are discussing here abi buroda mufu, oro e ye mi sogbo. You better tell your colonial masters in USA to help you out in collaboration with your alagba in your kingdom hall rather than looking for an escaping route.

Next time you won't start what you can't finish and you should stop twisting or adding to what you never read in the Bible sogbo buroda mufu

Here is the question again, kuku use Mat. 7:7 as usual nah because den NEVER BORN YOU WELL TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS Even your colonial masters and founders of your occultist religion, JWs can't answer them

1. Can you eat animal sacrifice to ogun (god of iron) since you believe in them but not in their gods?

2. Since your own divine wisdom said you should patronized BABALÁWO for healing and deliverance, How will you preach to babaláwo to accept your Jehovah with your umbrella and watchtower since you have made his shrine your second home?

3. Where did your Bible said you should be satisfied with your babaláwo's products and patronize them?

4. Is it in your kingdom hall your alagba told you that oyinbo that made the phone you are using and other stuffs like that has to consults demonic spirit b4 been made?

5. Where did you get your 6,000 years in the Bible?

YOUR TIME STARTS NOW, Good luck

The above questions need your attention buroda mufu

I will not teach you because you're arrogant so keep your beliefs to yourself but as for HERBS and ROOTS they are the WORKS of my God so i'm free to use it to the full! Psalms 104:14

uche40:
This is just you running around in pointless circles, twisting scriptures along the way because you are trying to disprove a paradox. You are claiming your God does not possess perfect knowledge, right? No problem.

Let us now assume that God does NOT possess perfect knowledge. You stated that God's plans for mankind in the beginning were derailed, and that since people chose to sin against him, he decided to turn his attention from them and focus on those who keep his commandments. You have just tacitly admitted that your God is imperfect and subject to changing his mind. Are you aware that this perspective is considered a heresy in mainstream traditional Christianity which asserts God's infallibility and/or perfection?

In recent years though a new movement has emerged called Open Theism. This movement has taken Arminianism to its logical intellectual conclusion. Knowing the "problem" that complete knowledge of the future means that the future is fixed, they have consciously taken the position that God does NOT know the future at all. They argue that because the future does not yet exist, even God does not know of it.

In reading certain narrative portions of Scripture, some have incorrectly concluded that God changes His mind. Yet the Bible is clear that not only does God not change in His essential nature (Mal. 3:6) but that He does not repent or change His mind. The Bible actually teaches this in a didactic portion. "God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19.

For the sake of argument though, lets try to imagine God literally changing His mind. I want to explain how this concept is inseparably linked with God's omniscience because for God to change His mind, He would need to make a decision and then be given new information He did not have before, so that He could either see the error of His ways, or choose a better course of action. It is important we see this.For God to change His mind, it would mean that God is learning new material as each day unfolds, and because you and I make that information known to God, or He sees that plan A is not working too well, because He is now armed with new information, He can make a better decision than the one He did previously. However, this idea would totally undermine God's exhaustive knowledge of future events (His omniscience) one of the very attributes of God. Such a thought is unthinkable. He would not be the all knowing God Scripture declares Him to be if indeed He ever learnt something. No, He has always had total, complete and infinite knowledge of all things from all eternity past.
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2011/07/does_god_ever_change_his_mind.php

edit: A quick perusal through your posts shows me that you are a Jehovah's Witness -- which makes sense because I'm quite unfamiliar with the JW doctrine. At any rate, I do not care to hear your dodgy interpretation of religious scriptures. This is why, as I said earlier, I take care not to engage with religious "teachers" because they are obsessed with hermeneutics. It's also common to see two different religious "teachers" disagreeing with each other's interpretations. Just goes to show how flawed and undependable the Bible actually is.

Well you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion just like billions out there but when it comes to an accurate knowledge of God's word all you need to do is ask for wisdom.
As i said earlier man's understanding of God's word needs updating otherwise you will say the book is undependable.

This is what the author promised:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The Author is hereby saying:

Towards the time i'm coming to destroy all evildoers my active force will gather all faithful people into just one group, they will use my word to set standards among themselves and the result will be settling all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons then finally they will vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman forever!

This is fulfilling today in the gathering of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world so while all other schools of thought including atheists and agnostics can't stop killing their neighbours due to politics and racism {Revelations 6:3-4} God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) are working out LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in our midst {Galatians 5:22-23} in fulfilment of what God's Son said regarding the FRUIT in our midst {Matthew 7:16-18} so if you want to discard all these obvious proofs we will not because we have tested and come to trust the Bible as a book that's DEPENDABLE.

May you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
What's the benefit of truth that wasn't recorded? If God revealed truth to people before the invention of writing, that's cool. Only those people he revealed it to benefited from it since it wasn't recorded.
The Bible is the only truth written we have today.
If God is revealing some truths with you, you can share it with us.
What's your religion?

Demons revealed so much that's why God's active force helped in sorting out God's word from uninspired books not meant for our use! 2Timothy 3:16-17

cornelboy:
Ọmọ this guy thinking is something else o.
So if God had been existing billions of years ago and he started revealing things people today, how does that affect his existence?

His problem is what Jesus referred to as the TRUTH he thought anything that transpired between God and humans before God directed Moses to start writing the books is also the truth whereas the TRUTH began manifesting when God gathered people in millions and started giving them rules to guide them.
For instance before the Mosaic laws Cain, Seth and many others like Abraham married their sisters but after God has commanded His organized people such ended. So when did the TRUTH start manifesting? Before or after the laws?

OkCornel:
Were the books of the Bible (66 or 80+ books) assembled together as at the time John wrote Revelation?

That's the work of God's Holy Spirit teaching us what to do with regards to inspired writings and uninspired books!

Jesus himself confirmed that if the spirit has guided us into doing the right thing there will be a sign and that is PEACE among those putting faith in the works of God's Holy Spirit! John 14:26-27

That's why the one and only group having LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating their gathering believe only in the 66 books because God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with them so even though they're imperfect humans like other religions all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit will be noticed among them! Matthew 7:16-18

So it's left to you now to present any group using extra books so we can all see how well they're PERFORMING as believers! Luke 11:23

Lukuluku69:
Dunce,you can ignore. Are you not that smart Mr. Ex-Intelligence Officer? Does the your "intelligence" left you when you leave the Service ni? Ignore.

I have ignored you completely after the last encounter but quoting me again shows you lack consistency with your own words that's what i want you to know Mr Muslim!

oteneaaron:
Why sell kingdom halls in "poor countries"?
How much is a kingdom hall worth in these "poor countries"?
A wise real estate investor won't sell off property that won't bring profit.
After all, it is in these poor countries that your numbers are fairly strong, so go figure.

That makes your lies obvious when you guys say Kingdom Halls were sold due to reduction in attendance. So we need the capital to make an EQUALIZING where it's needed!

oteneaaron:
This is a bold faced LIE.
The Watchtower stopped selling their literature because that would mean they'd start paying taxes.
Go do your research and verify this information.
At bolded, I thought the Holy Spirit is just an active force, how come it "spoke" to you guys?
Does this mean your Holy Spirit is has a personality and thus it "speaks"?

Whenever i say "you guys aren't real JWs" it seems i'm joking but i purposely set a trap with that comment knowing fully well that one of you will rush in to criticize me.

Now learn what you never knew all your wasted life among God's people!

God's active force doesn't speak in a literal sense rather it speaks through the Bible (God's word)
After the diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayer {Proverbs 2:1-5} God will use His Active Force to direct us to what we need to do regarding our supplication {Luke 12:11-12} so it will be as if we are hearing a voice speaking directly to us on what to do! Isaiah 30:21

You guys were never JWs for real because real JWs like me will surely ask all these questions to know why Jesus personalized God's Holy Spirit when God's organization said it's just His active force. But it's obvious you people only attend the meetings as kids following your parents not after many years you later began doing what you should have done from the onset.

I was born in another religion but in my heart i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's why my God called me out of darkness into his wonderful light. Ephesians 5:8

So if you want to learn this is the time format all the misconceptions you formally had because you knew almost nothing about God's Organization!