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OgaNightmare:
I saw your comments on another thread similar to this
Mehn I decided to research that Johannes Greber stuff. I was shocked, to see that the organization I slaved for and put all my trust in was nothing but a huge scam.
I downloaded the book communication with the spirit world of God. As you rightly said the useless demons mixed lies with truth(not surprised though).
They then continued to talk low of Christ and reduce him to a nobody.
Their teaching on the resurrection of Christ is the same and exact thing that JW'S teach that Jesus body evaporated, before being recreated as a spirit he materialized.
The must shocking one was "we must workout our own salvation"
The organization condemns getting books on magic/spiritism. They knew the source of Grebers interpretation but still went ahead to beg for his two spiritistic books, the wrote a letter to his foundation (JH.greber foundation).
I'll post the letter, maybe you might have already seen it but this guys need to be exposed.

On the thread where "Babylon the Great" is the topic of discussion this is all what you have to say:

OgaNightmare:
Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

But here you're happy to join in criticizing the one and only group that can confidently teach the truth about that topic and surprisingly you left that thread without sharing what your own pastors taught you in your Bible believing church!

What a shame on faithless people like you?

OgaNightmare:
Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

Funny enough this same people are members of the so called "Bible believing churches" apart from Jehovah's Witnesses i have not found just one person here who has confidently spoken about the topic and directed others to the source of his knowledge regarding the topic of discussion.

And you too only came to laugh at them instead of saying what you know about it but if it's to start criticizing the one and only mountain high above all (JW organization) you will have many things to say even quoting scriptures out of context.

Ọmọ say what your own PASTORS taught you nobody cares to know your pastor everyone knows only JWs are confident about our own teachers (Governing Body) all of you are ashamed to mention your teachers when matters like this arises the only thing you people do is deceiving yourselves with the riches and fame of those deceivers you patronize in the name of MOG!

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, did you read me mention the Quran?
Go back and read what I posted Sir Babbler

I just wonder what a Muslim like you is doing on a thread that talks about Babylon the Great which is written in the Bible book of Revelation and can't be found anywhere in your Qu'ran!

And to my amazement you're quoting me here again. Please why can't you just stop trailing me?
The last time you said once i mention Muslim or Islam you will quote me but i don't think i've done that now. So can you now see that you can't just mind your own business as you often say about churchgoers the first time i met you on this forum?

Lukuluku69:
True are your words. But Majority of Christians on Nairaland won't let Islam and Muhammad rest. In the process, I got to stand up and defend
what I believe in.

This is why i said you've not been consistent in what you're doing here!

ANTIlSLAM:
What verse can I find your 6,000 years in the Bible? Abi your own occultist Bible in Proverbs 8:22-31 mention 6,000 years nii?

Please Sir try to go through the dates written in the Bible for instance:

In the 600th year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the 17th day of the month, on that day all the springs of the vast watery deep burst open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. Genesis 7:11

These and many other dates we calculated together to know the approximated date of Adam's birth on this planet Sir. So the first time a man set his foot on this planet we can guess through a thorough research in God's word!

ANTIlSLAM:
Plato, Aristotle and Socrates are scientists which I'm very sure you've heard about them before, does Bible has their records? Borrow sense nah..
Sebi you've heard about Dinosaur before, dinosaur lived approximately 252 million to 200 million years ago, what can you say about that compare to your 6,000 years. All you need is to borrow sense before typing rubbish

Plato, Aristotle, Socrates got their ideas from who Sir?
Remember these people are pagans who knows nothing about the true God and they're very much close to DEMONS worshiped in ancient Greece. So if these men are talking about millions of years and animals that God's word never mentioned and you're basing your understanding on their words who is now your tutor God's word or idol worshipers?

I told you that i Maximus will make the best use of whatever this people discovered through the things demons helped them to do but as for their philosophies i will trash.

That's exactly the same thing i do when it comes to the medical use of HERBS and ROOTS discovered by Babaláwo, the HERBS and ROOTS are the works of my own God so i will make use of it but as for whatever the Babaláwo says regarding his pagan Philosophies i will TRASH!

uche40:
Funny that God doesn't tolerate evil, since he created it in the first place.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7

Like your half-baked, dim-witted brother in the Lord Dtruthspeaker, you've also committed the fallacy of the False Analogy, since a human manufacturer does not share the same characteristics with an all-knowing God. The manufacturer might be able to know the outcome of users misusing his product, but he can NOT know for certain IF the user will surely disregard the instructions manual or not. Such knowledge is beyond his limited purview.

I respect intelligent people a lot because i have once been a professional in that field.

A thread on this forum is entitled:

"Does the Bible need an update?"

That is a very good question and the answer is:

"NO, it's man's understanding of this book that needs an update not God's word because God's word is perfect"

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7

Regarding the above verse this is the meaning:

God is strengthening his servants regarding the fears they often have as they go confronting evil people with God's message.

"Do not fear those that can kill the body but cannot kill the soul" Matthew 10:28

There is no evil things any human can think of that's beyond God's undoing because He God created everything. Life, Death, Water, Fire, Heat, Cold, Wet, Dry, Iron, Rubber, Speed as in anything you can think of is all within God's creation.

So if Nebuchadnezzar thought of using the fire to destroy a servant of God you (Isaiah) should remember that JEHOVAH created Fire and He can control all the gasses that makes up what we call FIRE into becoming an air-conditioner for the sake of His own servants whereas that same fire will consume the fittest of Nebuchadnezzar's bodyguards.

If some miscreants thought of throwing Daniel in the lion's den remember that JEHOVAH created the ravenous predator known as "lion" He has the power to turn these predators into domestic pets for the sake of His servant Daniel whereas these same lions will devour those scheming the evil.

So even though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death i will fear no evil because JEHOVAH who created both light, darkness, valley, shadow, life and death is with me! Psalms 23:4

Thanks for your time!

Lukuluku69:
Nairaland Resident Babbler is here already

Na wah for you o!
Is Babylon the Great also in your Qu'ran?

ANTIlSLAM:
See bobo, sane people that are reading your posts will just be laughing at your ignorant Olorun. Click on the link below to get your senses back


https://www.britannica.com/story/history-of-technology-timeline

Please what verse can i find your reference in the Bible!

cosiocan:
The fact that your mind cannot accept the truth that the Father is present through His Holy Spirit in the Messiah and everywhere He wishes makes it difficult to keep on this argument.

It's not an argument but if that's what you think it is then i'll take my leave! Titus 3:9

cosiocan:
Whether dwelleth or whatever English, the message remains that his Father is living with Him and no one could see the Father he's talking about means the Father is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit

God lives in heaven {1Kings 8:30} but He sends out a powerful powerful force (current) with which He accomplish all things this force is known as the "Holy Spirit" anywhere His servant goes this force follows them.

That's what Jesus meant when he said his father is always with him because this force is always with God's only begotten Son!

cornelboy:
I said i won't talk on the herbs and drugs matter. I didn't say I'll stop replying you.
Bye till you have some meaningful to say.

He's feeling the heat of TRUTH so he always try to scare anyone who tells him the truth away with exchange of insults but i (Maximus) won't free him. I will continue to torment him with the TRUTH.
Now he's saying scientific discoveries began 3.3 million years ago abeg shey nah God dey discover or Jesus? because those are the only two persons that could have been there but it's the two of them that worked together to put everything in place.
So are they the same people who discovered technology or humans?
If it's humans, does that mean the Bible lied that Adam (who lived not up to 7,000 years ago) wasn't the first man as taught by the Bible?

When Bible students are talking and misinformed Churchgoers want to argue i just allow them to roll in their own quagmire!

SeniorMan715:
Babylon the Great, described in the book of Revelation, is the
world’s collective body of false religions, which God rejects.
( Revelation 14:8; 17:5; 18:21) Although those religions differ in
many respects, in one way or another they all lead people
away from the worship of the true God. Deuteronomy 4:​35.

The first nation to rule the world under Satan's influence is Egypt followed by Assyria, both nations never merged politics with religion.
The Egyptians worshiped their numerous gods as well as the Assyrians and they never imposed the worship of their gods on anyone.
The first introduction of politics merged with religion started in the days of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon that's when he initiated the national anthem and imposed it on all the nations he has conquered! Daniel 3:4-5

So when Jesus later revealed that a spiritual prostitute riding on a wild beast will be named "Babylon the Great" {Revelations 17:5} that brings back the memory of the ancient city called Babylon. But Babylon has been destroyed and never to be rebuilt again. Therefore the spiritual prostitute riding on the wild beast must mean something totally different from the city Nebuchadnezzar built back then.

The prostitute sat on many waters which means people from different races throughout the world {Revelations 17:15} as for the beast it's the political elements of the world {Revelations 17:2, 9-11} according to God's word the wild beast (Kings of the earth) committed adultery with the prostitute.

So Babylon the Great means the world empire of FALSE RELIGION having great influence on politicians making them to unleash their soldiers into killing themselves throughout the earth! Revelations 6:3-4

The first religion that started this movement back in the second century is still actively participating in the world politics today so many children has been born to this religion even though her children are protesting against her they're all involved in politics leading their members into killings here and there!

Check modern translations all these dweleth stuff is obsolete English and Jesus never spoke English but Hebrew language. So instead of building your faith on a translation with obsolete English why not check other versions?

ANTIlSLAM:
See Olodo oponu omo
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO again, technology discovery has happened 3.3 millions years ago and not 6,000 years you mentioned. Wa k'eko by fire by force sogbo

According to God's word creation began when no one knows apart from two persons {Proverbs 8:22-31} but humans begin their findings when Adam the first man walked this planet about 6,000 years ago.
So where did you get the 3.3 million years and who were alive to discover anything at that time?
I told you that demons will lie to you simply because you believe them after the scientific discoveries but you keep ranting.
Oya is it Bible you believe or atheists?

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, God's word never said you should use herb for healing, which of your occultist religion JWs gods instructs you to visit or consult babaláwo for your healing and deliverance? Also, bobo go and read the history of technology from stone age, check the timeline and stop displaying your ignorant here. Your own occultist religion technology discovery was 6,000 years ago abi, wa kuku san

So this is why technology speed up within the 20th century shey?
It's OK!

Pakman:
Where is the kingdom of God?
Is it above you, within you or below you?

In ancient times the word "KINGDOM" refers to a RULERSHIP or GOVERNMENT under a KING.
The first time God established it on planet earth was during the time He demanded the release of Israelites from Egypt so He can take them to Canaan and RULE over them.
This rulership will be managed through the laws He handed over to the Israelites through Moses. But both Moses and the Israelites are imperfect humans so a perfect human is expected to lead by example putting God's word to fulfilment in the perfect sense.
That's why God told the Israelites that they're not to expect perfection through the Mosaic laws because they're only reading it there is no perfect human who will live by it in a perfect sense. But when the perfect man arrives all faithful people throughout the earth must obey him {Genesis 49:10; Deuteronomy 18:18} Jesus confirmed that he is that perfect human {John 14:6} though his people thought he is abolishing the laws because his application seems strange to them so he publicly told them that his application is not to abolish God's laws but to fulfill it in a perfect sense! Matthew 5:17


Jesus came to train only the Israelites who already have God's laws how to apply it in the best practically way {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} then after the Israelites have gotten the sense of God's standard they're to teach all other nations God's law and it's practical application {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} of course majority will object no matter how obvious it's benefits {Matthew 5:11-12} so Jesus told his disciples not to drag anything with objectors all they need to do is make sure they reach all people {Matthew 10:14-15} by the time Jesus began his GOVERNMENT (KINGDOM) under God's direction {Matthew 6:10} all objectors will be totally EXTERMINATED! Luke 19:27 compare to Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22


So God's Kingdom is a government that will be headed by a perfect ruler (Jesus Christ) the law enforcement agents aren't humans {John 18:53 compare to John 18:36} since the agents who will enforce the laws aren't from this planet but angels under God's direction it is fittingly called God's kingdom: God's Government!

May you have PEACE!

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to buy swords?

Truvelisback:
Ask for knowledge from who? Lol. Just listen to urself. U should be the one asking knowledge from me. U have now accepted that the swords were meant for self-defence.

YES they're learning from you Sir!

ANTIlSLAM:
In a nutshell ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, demons sha discovered the phone you are using, wa k'eko olodo omo

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

God's word said it and i Maximus believe it so if you're doubting you can explain why it took mankind almost 6,000 years to discover these things!

uche40:
I already asked you to look up the meaning of the word "intolerance" in a standard and reputable dictionary. You have a very skewed understanding of what "intolerance" really is. It is most often described as the rejection, or the refusal to accept the views, practices and beliefs of other people that differ from yours.
One of the biggest sources of God's irritation throughout the Bible is idolatry. Your God is self-described as jealous. He expresses rage and becomes petty when his creation don't follow his orders. He doesn't entertain deviation from his commandments in the Old Testament. Your God may forgive people for disobeying him by worshipping other gods, but only under the condition that they REPENT and return to serving him only. That is the very definition of INTOLERANCE sir.
Your Holy Bible makes it quite clear that God does not tolerate sin. He condemned Adam and Eve's lifestyle choice to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, placed curses on them and drove them out of the Garden of Eden. Remember Uzzah and the Ark of the Tabernacle? What of the flood story in the Book of Genesis? Do these acts resemble those of a God who is willing to entertain any behavior or actions contrary to his will and orders? Your God is also intolerant towards criticisms of his ways, and he labels it BLASPHEMY. That's why you're profusely begging me to "go on my knees" and seek his forgiveness. Not only is your God intolerant. He's a petty insecure crybaby. Your God can kiss my ass for all I care. I have no need to please an emotionally turbulent fairy manchild who cant stand it when people don't bend over and submit to his infantile wishes. Your God reads like someone suffering from deep seated inferiority complex and low self-esteem. Good morning.

There is just one thing i love in your comment: you consistently refer to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) as the God of Maximus!

So i will say "thank you"

That is my God for you, He will never ever tolerate evil because He knows what will be it's result! Isaiah 46:10

He is the Manufacturer who tells the outcome if any user disregard the instructional manual!

I love such a person with all my heart because with Him i will always be safe and happy that i have the best friend ever.

Thanks once again!

Truvelisback:
U never told US the reason for the Swords in their possession and u are here ranting.

Ọmọ drop your arrogance and come out openly to ask for knowledge from Jehovah's Witnesses, nobody will flog you for asking to know. Matthew 7:7

The Jews in the first century were planning a revolution against the Roman empire so most first century Jews were ZEALOTS, they're always in possession of daggers and swords anticipating the time when someone will lead them against Roman oppression.

Two Jews both claiming they're the Christ have tried it before Jesus but both of them were killed and all their followers scattered {Act 5:36-37} these two men lived about the time Jesus was a baby so when Jesus began his ministry he openly declared that both Theudas and Judas were thieves and plunderers {John 10:8} yet some of Jesus' disciples like Peter is still nursing the revolutionary movement even when Jesus told Peter that the Christ must suffer and die Peter immediately objects saying "God forbid" {Matthew 16:21-22} but despite the fact that Jesus called Peter "Satan" for the objection {Matthew 16:23} this man still nurse the ambition that someone must lead them against their oppressors.

So when Jesus now speak of SWORDS only two of his disciples are still keeping their swords while the rest have forgotten that ambition due to Jesus' teachings regarding love for enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} that's why our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus told his friends that the two swords is enough {Luke 22:38} after all it's only just one they needed for the last lesson! Matthew 26:50-52

Go now and find the JWs the time left is short for all those proving stubborn.
Look i have warned you!

SharonLoveth:
Demons are perfect and intelligent, you are kinda funny. So demons discovered the phone and many things you are using, you are the perfect example of brainwashed being

They were angels formally so they knew all the elements on this planet better than humans who only live lesser than 200 years, they have been alive right from creation till today.
So when someone say they're behind most of the technological innovations and you're arguing blindly it shows you love deceit!

God kept so many things on this planet that He expected humans to continue making research and discovering it gradually:

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish. Ecclesiastes 3:11

So after Jesus (Archangel Michael) sacked the demons in heaven they came down with great anger and began unfolding so many things so that most of those who witness the advancement in technology may discredit God's word as worthless.

That's why atheism is gaining weight after 1914 till now. Notice that the one and only excuse atheists depend on for contradicting God's word is science and technology. That's exactly what those demons want to achieve!

Hismasterpiece:
LOL.. When you die and go there e go shock you

Brainwashing in religion has finished you!
Even Jesus never said heaven is home for everyone so who did this to you?

Truvelisback:
Jesus never wanted Peter to defend Him because of His on earth. Jesus knew that His death is necessary and He didn't want Peter to be an obstruction to His mission.

Faithless churchgoer!

I won't argue with you it's your fellow Churchgoers i will leave with you.
If Christians are to defend themselves with weapons coupled with God's Holy Spirit and in Jesus name do you think anyone can harm them as the Jews were killing Christians in the first century?

Jesus said to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna. Matthew 10:28

Weapons only harm our physical bodies and put a stop to our activities but only God can determine whether we will be remembered in our graves or not. So after we have done what our Master, Lord and King commanded we shouldn't see ourselves as worthwhile our lives in this system of things means nothing in the face of faithless people. But in the eyes of Jehovah the King of eternity a single Christian meant more than a million faithless people {Luke 12:6-7 compare to Matthew 11:11} so He will not forget us in our graves {John 11:25} because we have praised and glorified His Holy name! Job 14:13-15

ANTIlSLAM:
Demon's master, that's using demon's possessed discovered technology

Nothing belongs to demons, they never bought anything so they can't rightfully possess anything here. But because they are perfect and intelligent they discovered many things and humans who love riches and fame became their friends to make such discoveries in their names. Have you ever heard of any medicine be it Orthodox or traditional or a kind of technology named after any demon?

No because the demons know that it's our property they're only using smartness to gain the attention of human in order to become gods but once you're wise you will make use of the Gold and Silver that belongs to God you won't make it your god {Psalms 115:4; 135:15} these things can't talk but when a demon is their you will hear voices. That's the truth!

uche40:
We were talking of God's intolerance. Don't shift the goalposts now.

I understood you perfectly that's what prompted my initial statement:

"Tolerance is when the most powerful person is warning the most powerless because He has no option than to send them to non-existence if they will continue to hurt themselves and good people around them!"

It costs God nothing to wipe out an entire city if no one is ready to adjust their ways {Genesis 18:20-21} but then when he finds just 10 good persons He told Abraham "on the account of 10 good persons i will not destroy" {Genesis 18:32} and is this the same person you called INTOLERANT?
Please think of what Abraham did by bargaining from the destruction of two cities he continues from 50 to 10 and God kept saying "on the account of that number i will spare the cities" Haba, how come you now refer to such a personality with the greatest kindness as INTOLERANT?

I don't know you but i'm pleading with you now to go on your knees and beg Him for forgiveness because you've spoken against the Holy One of Israel. There is no one as loving and kind as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

uche40:
Sir, I don't think we have the same understanding of the word TOLERANCE. It was INTOLERANCE of the Ninevites' practices and behaviors that made God declare a death sentence on Nineveh in the first place.
Please look up the meaning of INTOLERANCE in a standard and reputable dictionary. Thanks.

Well it was the INTOLERANCE of the Israelites against pure worship and God's servants {1Kings 19:10 compare to Matthew 23:37} that brought about the declaration at Hosea 13:16

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Jerryhare:
See dunce that is of opinion that the phones (technology) we are using is demon possessed
Even reading the Bible verse I read you posted here, did you read where God says the herb he created is for your traditional herbalist to use it cure your diseases?

This is where you're getting it all wrong!

Everything God created is GOOD! Genesis 1:31

Possession is when some makes something his or her own so when did i tell you that any of the things God created has now become the property of demons?

This is the same way those pastors of yours told you that gold and silver has been possesed by demons so your women shouldn't use jewelries anymore. Whereas God only condemned making a god out of the things He created God never condemned any of His works. Psalms 115:4

The Bible book says HERBS are for my use as in MY OWN USE so whatever i make out of it has nothing to do with demons since i am USING what God made FOR MY USE!

OkCornel:
Please what are the prophecies in songs of Solomon?

What do you think kept Adam and Eve together till death despite their fall in the garden of Eden?

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. 2Timothy 3:16


The PROPHECY: In the last days most men will loose their feelings for the wife of their youth {Proverbs 5:18; Malachi 2:14} but you faithful servants of JEHOVAH make sure you keep the love of the woman you married in your heart because she is your own Eve {Matthew 19:6} and just as Adam composed a romantic poem for his woman {Genesis 2:23} do likewise to make her happy always. This is what will make you fully competent and completely equipped as a man of the true God! Malachi 2:15 compare to 2Timothy 3:17

May you have PEACE!

OkCornel:
MaxinDHouse, from the Bible version xproducr posted, it clearly states "THIS BOOK", not THESE BOOKS.
The context is very clear and unambiguous, that was for the book of Revelation only.

Please to anyone who doesn't know the history of the Bible how many books is the Bible?

Come on my guy, the Author of that book is God not those writers so if He decides to use different secretaries in writing His book from Genesis to Revelation that doesn't make His book different from any other book.
The Bible is the handiwork of just one single Author: GOD, that's why He used His Holy Spirit to direct it's users to compile into just one single volume! 2Timothy 3:16

uche40:
Usually, when someone issues a warning, s/he does it to caution and/or dissuade another person from doing something by pointing out consequences which may follow if the person goes ahead to do it. Hosea 13:16 reads more like a judgement, or at best, a prophecy, not a warning.

Great! Now you're getting my point.
Jonah was sent to Nineveh to declare a death sentence on that city but when Ninevites heard Jonah and repented what did the so called INTOLERANT do? 2Peter 3:9

May you have PEACE!

Whoever makes such rule is EVIL and not of the lord.

According to Jesus all should be left to grow together, when it's judgment time evildoers will be dealt with by God Himself!

Chai, see mumu churchgoer!
If i keep my herbal remedies and ready to defend it to any level what makes you think i can let go of other things that's useful for me?
Ọmọ it's you who feels what God created is evil that needs a brain reset!

Jerryhare:
I know you're getting upset already, just be calm dunce

What you will do to help your ignoramus life after your leaders in your satanic Jehovah witnesses has brainwashed you is that anything in your possession that has to do with technology throw them inside lagoon because they are demons possessed as you said

Your ways of thinking need urgent and quick intervention

uche40:
You forgot Hosea 13:16
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Your God isn't even Pro-Life. So much for the Christians' anti-abortion movement. Lol.

Tolerance is when the most powerful person is warning the most powerless because He has no option than to send them to non-existence if they will continue to hurt themselves and good people around them!