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Dtruthspeaker:
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That is not God's Stand point. His Standpoint is revealed in His Judgements.
1. Eve's punishment was double. She suffers the man's own curse (hard ground and suffering) and her special one (pregnancy issues/sorrow etc)
2. A woman's purification procedure is double the man's own Leviticus 12.

God never related with Eve the same way He did with Adam (God's Son) because Adam was the creature God had in mind as His image {Genesis 2:7} Eve came later due to Adam's need {Genesis 2:18} so Eve wasn't the focus Satan only used Eve to get through to Adam (God's Son) Luke 3:38

Dtruthspeaker:
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Obviously you have your own fabrication of Christianity for we all know beating is beating (assault and battery)

Go and ask any woman how they feel when their husband shun them!

Dtruthspeaker:
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And in this case, job passed and no reward (antidote) was given to the wife. So you see how you are talking complete and absolute rubbish because of your self deceit.
You have no valid thing to say.

Antidote is not a reward but remedy to cure the virus (sin) that will result to death. So since Adam deliberately joined Eve in rebelling against God both of them were driven out of the garden so they can never reach the antidote for death! Genesis 3:22-23

tctrills:
Actually, you are wrong. The Lord poured out his spirit on the Christians and he promised them that his spirit would teach them all things. All Christians are entitled to the spirit of God. Without the spirit of God in your life, there is no difference between you and any other religion. Do we need human teachers? Yes But our greatest teacher is the spirit of God.

Of course the Holy Spirit is WORKING with all OBEDIENT members of the Congregation but the work differs that's why it's gifts are listed in the Bible book of Ephesians 4:11 as follows:

© Apostles ~ Overseers of the congregation in all the earth, it's their conclusion with God's Holy Spirit that matters most when it comes setting rules that's binding on all members of the Christian family worldwide! Matthew 16:19 compare to Act 2:42; 15:28-29

© Prophets ~ Those telling people God's decree as stated in His word.

© Evangelizers ~ Preachers of the good news.

© Shepherds ~ Organizers of the Christian family worldwide.

© Teachers ~ Those teaching members within the Christian congregation.

Of course contradicting views may come up on rules that's binding on all members {Act 15:1-2} that's why we have the Apostles (Governing Body) who has the final say that all members must comply with throughout the earth {Act 16:28-29} after this we all agree on what the spirit of our God concluded with them, that's how we have the same line of thought globally {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} and whoever feels he/she is wiser than them must be shunned! Romans 16:17

That's why Jesus said:

“I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you. But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you. I leave you peace; I give you my peace. I do not give it to you the way that the world gives it. Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear. John 14:25-27

Christ Jesus laid this foundation {Matthew 16:18-19} all those claiming believers or worshipers out of this arrangement can't unite as God's people! Luke 11:23

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not correct!
Because Mr. Adam was almost innocent (Holy). God does not follow the guilty eg women and Cain's lineage. So out of the 2 of them it was Mr. Adam who stands a chance of being redeemed.
While Eve is unsavable which as you see, you find that women are the ones who populate prayer places and going to and fro (like their father satan) seeking deliverance.

From God's standpoint the only person who sinned in that garden is Adam because it was Adam that God gave the order and he passed it to Eve, that's why the scriptures say it's Eve that was deceived Adam sinned deliberately! 1Timothy 2:14

Dtruthspeaker:
So you are a wife beater!
Every other man who does not beat women know that one of the most painful thing you can do to a woman is to simply cast her aside. So Adam does not need to do anything. And when God came visiting, He would have dealt with the matter.

Sorry i've forgotten that you're a churchgoer!
In Christianity shunning a woman is equal to beating her. That's what Adam supposed to do since Eve has turned against both God and her husband, the laws given to both of them is what binds them together under the initiator of that union so for Eve to have eaten the forbidden fruit means she betrayed both Adam and God therefore Adam supposed to shun her as a punishment but instead he joined her in doing what he himself told her that God forbids!

Dtruthspeaker:
You are that willing to deceive yourself? The same solution is was still on ground after My Adam ate the fruit and both could go and take the antidote (Anyway that is why you like JW).
You are plain ridiculous man.

When Satan attacked Job God never said a word, when his wife told him to curse God and die God never said a word, do you know why?
Well it's because Job was the focus not his wife {Job 1:8} the same applies to Adam who was the first human Son of God! Luke 3:38

So the antidote would only make sense if Adam shunned Eve and reported the case to God just as Jesus stood his ground when Satan tried to turn him against his heavenly father that would have ended the whole trouble but Adam deliberately chose to rebel against God!

tctrills:
I uphold the word of God not the words of a church. That's the difference between you and me. I do not ask any church to help me interpret a verse. I have God's spirit to teach me all things. There is a difference between you and me.

My friend you're a worker of lawlessness!

The first century Christian congregation can all read the scriptures each by themselves but a body was established by Jesus Christ known as the Apostles {Luke 6:13} it's whatever they concluded that's binding on all members of the church {Act 2:42} that's why Jesus said whatever they bind on or loosen on earth will be granted in heaven {Matthew 16:19} this is what made all the congregations have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} just as Christ Jesus prayed to his father! John 17:22

That's why you can't interpret that scripture at Romans 16:17; 1Corinthians 5:12-13 & 2John 10-11 because there's no way you can interpret these verses without complying to the conclusion of the first century Apostles and their modern day brothers GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
That is what is bound on earth that the heavens have bound and loosen on earth that the heavens have loosened. Matthew 16:19
God's Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} it only help each Christian to quote and cite related verses when needed and how to respond efficaciously during times of persecution by faithless people {Luke 12:12-12} but when it comes to rules that's binding on all members of the Christian congregation globally it's whatever the group serving as Apostles agree upon with God's Holy Spirit that's binding on all! Act 15:28-29

tctrills:
Sorry, I do not represent a church.

WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

So in other words you're not ready to uphold God's word so you won't be blamed for keeping the standard of your God!

tctrills:
Let's just be honest here, it's not God's law but you church interpretation of God's law.

So are you honest at all?

OK, present your church interpretation of what God's word says at Romans 16:17; 1Corinthians 13:12-13 and 2John 10-11

Tell me how true Christians can apply what is written in those verses if you're not a lawless individual as Jesus foretold about religionists claiming believers today! Matthew 7:21-23

tctrills:
interesting

So it's not JW laws but what is WRITTEN in God's word for all law-abiding and faithful servants of God to comply with!

sonmvayina:
Agreed,
So what is the benefit of worshipping and following an idol ?

An idol is what each individual chose to worship on his own not what millions of people throughout the earth reasoned together to agree upon for practical benefits!

sonmvayina:
They are all part of the Torah...

If so don't quote any laws in the book of Exodus for me rather quote laws from the lives of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph because God declared them RIGHTEOUS before the laws given to Israelites!

sonmvayina:
Educate yourself

Education is all about BENEFITS not just reading books!

sonmvayina:
So when did he say he will send his son to die for the nation's of the world..
Okpe

Have you agreed that Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph never lived by the Torah?
Because that matters most first before we can talk about the law God promised to write in the hearts of all obedient mankind! Jeremiah 31:33

sonmvayina:
Lol .who made the Torah obsolete? Funny you.
The Torah is forever....those people you mentioned are part of the Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the bible..

The Torah you're referring to is the laws that was stated in the Bible book of Exodus it was written after Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob Joseph were dead!
So God's laws those people lived by is not what you're quoting in the book of Exodus!

sonmvayina:
Please don't make me laff.
Take a look at Isaiah 2:2-4.
Tell me Jehovah's witnesses teach the Torah.
I have always told you, it is about the Torah not gospels...

It's about God's laws not Torah!

Before the Torah Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were declared righteous not through the Torah.
So God's law is not the Torah given through Moses. That was to establish a nation not the laws God intended to give mankind in general!

sonmvayina:
Maxindhouse, true religion will be obeying God's commandments to the letter just like he wants, time after time he says "obedience is better than sacrifice"
A bad religion will be doing the opposite of what the law prohibits like human sacrifice when God clearly commanded "thou shall not kill"..

We are not killing anyone on the other hand it's people like you who are killing your neighbours for your god: POLITICS!
In the face of politics today you will kill anyone whether they uphold your Torah or not whereas we must not practice politics nor kill anyone for any reason whatsoever!

sonmvayina:
Why did God hate the other cities in the old testament?

God never hated anyone!

He sent a warning message to all the nations around Canaan that He's coming with Israel to establish pure worship so all those that joined His people became His people.
That was the covenant He made with the Israelites but today that covenant has become obsolete {Jeremiah 31:33} so He's writing His laws in our hearts unlike the ones He gave the Israelites on tablets.
What you failed to grasp is that God gave the Israelites those laws for a purpose that's why people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph never lived by those laws yet God related well with them because the laws was to establish a nation not for individuals who will hold it in isolation.
All those people lived without those laws and were accepted because God hasn't decided to establish an organization then.
That's why i'm asking you now to present an organized people making use of that Torah to BENEFITS because in the absence of such then it's either your Torah is needless or your God failed!

sonmvayina:
Peace of mind...
I don't join people to follow pagan ideologies simply because I want to belong to a group...
Like you..

Real peace of man comes from relating with neighbours like a family not in isolation!

sonmvayina:
Then what do you need jesus for?
All these has already been provided in the Torah

Then present a group of people using the Torah to relate with themselves as God's word foretold at Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3.
I present to the whole world JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization the group using Jesus' teachings to fulfill that prophecy today!

tctrills:
Let me ask you a practical question. If your wife breaks the JW laws and she stops being a member, would you and your kids also isolate her and stop relating with her?

It's not JW laws but what we all agreed upon before getting baptized as members of the global family. So she remains the wife to the man and mother to her children but all other JWs will no longer relate with her as a member of our global family and this will affect her husband and children because when i am with one of her children or husband i must take my leave immediately she comes around since the scriptures says i must not greet her! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

Lukuluku69:
You are still not getting my drift but I will let it rest.

What you're trying to say is that since a woman committed suicide for rejection then the people that rejected her should be blamed but you're not bothered about what made them reject her.
Go to Iran and solve the problem caused by your Muslim rule forcing women to wear hijab, a woman was arrested (not shunned) and due to the way she was beating by the police she died.
How incomparable that is to JWs who will only shun her for going against our rules.
Even your own Muslim people are now protesting against the hijab your religion imposed on their women!

sonmvayina:
One of God's commandments is "Thou shall not commit adultery"
Why would a sane man even conceive such a wicked idea that God spirit impregnated Mary that was already betrothed to Joseph as wife..
That is the most insane thing I have ever heard. It was that bad that a former president of America wanted to remove it...

Insane to you but has produced the greatest BENEFITS in the history of mankind!
So let's see the BENEFITS of your God at least that's not too much to ask! Isaiah 48:17-18

sonmvayina:
The practical benefit can only be achieved by following God's commandments as contained in the Torah, not following jes-s...that is what I teach..
So answer my question please..

So there's no practical benefits if all what you have is only pointing to books, obviously you don't understand the book at all!

There's no idolatry in what is beneficial to all races throughout the earth because God created the laws for our benefits therefore if people are getting the benefits with LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL ọmọ even God Himself can't go against the welfare there's no reasonable laws against such performance! Galatians 5 22-23

sonmvayina:
There is no such thing like pure or good idolatry.. No matter how good you think your group is as long as they disobey Gods commandments they are not of God...
You follow mark Mathew ,Luke John and Paul, whoever they are...not the creator and the laws he laid down.

How do you distinguish between true religion and false religion?
Ọmọ it's by the production not just what you read in books that's not practicable nor beneficial.
So claiming a group that's performing great throughout the earth is idolatrous shows how low your IQ because the only evidence of pure worship is PERFORMANCE not rules that you can't apply for the good of anyone!

Dtruthspeaker:
Adam is guilty of creating sinners because all he needed to do was to be innocent from participating in Eve's sin.

Therefore, God would have separated and deleted Eve from him and thereafter given Adam a fresh new holy and sin-none wife who would have borne holy children (if she overcomes Satan's Attack) in continuation of God's plan for man.

But, Adam spoilt this plan with his own participation in the crime.

Secondly, this thread is not really about Adam so this is a change of post. (Are you trying to distract people from focusing on Mrs Adam aka Eve? E no go work with me)

You're wrong Sir!
It's not through Eve that we sinned but Adam and God's thought totally differs from that of man.
Job's wife told him to give up and curse God but after job kept his integrity God never gave him another wife it was the same woman that bore him another set of ten children.
That's exactly what would have happened had it been Adam started beating Eve for eating of the forbidden fruit, God will only stop Adam from killing her and directed him to the tree of life where the antidote for the poison is.
Eve would have continue to be Adam's wife till today!

sonmvayina:
I have asked you this question a thousand times, I will ask you again.
Which is better?
1. To be by your self and follow God's commandments
Or
2. To be in a peaceful group that worships an idol,
Please answer this time..

And i have always ask you a question that you often run away from:

What assures you that you're not deceiving yourself if there's no PRACTICAL BENEFITS you can present order than self righteousness?

Lukuluku69:
Oga, two different scenarios. Not related at all. I took to you up on that comment that says once you go contrary to what the Nazarene teaches, na suicide straight for the person
And I asked is there no way for a come back?

Of course there's a way for a come back but such a way is for humble people who believes they're nothing before God.
Judas Iscariot was a proud man who used to steal from the pus of the group {John 12:4-6} the other disciples knew all these but since Jesus never called him out Judas felt he doesn't need their approval.
So after betraying Jesus and seeing that Jesus has been killed Judas Iscariot couldn't return to the group because the only person who doesn't judge him despite his mischief is the same person he betrayed to death.
That's why he choose suicide instead of a come back.
Most people do find themselves in this same situation that's why Jesus taught us to be humble {Matthew 20:27} always seeing ourselves as nothing in the midst of our fellow believers, this will really help when we commit blunders and need their face, it will be easy for us to come back and plead in repentance! James 5:14-15

sonmvayina:
Lol..common maxindhouse. You are clever than this.. Proverbs 8 is a song about "wisdom" Wisdom was personified. I will advice you to read the whole of genesis 1 and 2 in context You will find out he was not talking to jesus but to the earth. I wish I can sit you down and really give you a good lecture..
But...add me on WhatsApp, don't worry, am on berekete...I will call you
Oh ate oh tiri tiri six ate tiri ate tiri six

OK wisdom is "PERSONIFIED" saying he was with God before creation and that he worked with God during creation and that he loves humans most, shey?

Ọmọ can you present the BENEFITS of this your so called wisdom? because i can testify to the WISDOM of God that once walked this planet: Jesus Christ! 1Corinthians 1:24

He walked this planet and laid the foundation for pure worship {Matthew 16:18} called "Christianity" in the city of Antioch {Act 11:26} this is what we are using today and God's word at Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 has come to reality!

So if you can't point, present, show, tell me the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of this WISDOM then there's no reason chatting you on WhatsApp i talk to people with whom i can find BENEFITS of what i wasted my precious time and data for not just stories! 1Corinthians 9:26 Compare to Ephesians 5:15-16

sonmvayina:
The Tanakh belongs to the Jews. It is for their religion called Judaism. It ends in Malachi. ..
The Roman/Greeks created the so called new testament and added it at the end of the Tanakh. The Jews do not have a new convenient The Christians do not have an old testament... They are basically two different ideologies...that's why there is a lot of conflicts between them. The Messiah the Jews are waiting for is a man from the root of David..God already gave them the solution to the problem of sin.. The new testament is about human sacrifice and time after time God in the old testament calls it an abomination...
Just because the Catholic church super glued it at the back of the Tanakh does not make it holy or scriptures..it was added to deceive people and give the new religion some credibility..

All these is what you were convinced to believe so what is the BENEFIT of all these things you're saying now? Isaiah 1:18
The God of Abraham promised that all the nations of the earth will be blessed through Abraham's seed {Genesis 12:1-3} and two prophets namely Isaiah and Micah were both inspired to pen down the BENEFITS that will result from the gathering of people of all the nations under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Your argument remains fruitless if all you can say is how the Jews feel about the story of Jesus of Nazareth without any PRACTICAL BENEFITS gotten from their so called religion! Zechariah 8:23

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not say Adam did not have sex with his wife. Men always have sex with their wives even before and after her adultery so no issue.

And this does not solve the issue of evil tree (father) and evil seed (child), for the record clearly shows that Adam did not do any evil or wicked thing.

(The bold! You just made it worse for I see that that statement means she gave birth to girls first! Hence why women are very evil and too wicked as all men have seen and confessed plus why Cain had a sister he could marry even before he murdered Abel. Hence why the Bible did not follow the females. They were all Satan's seed. Wow! I am going to continue examining this angle. Wow! Therefore, she even confesses that her girls were not from The Lord. Damn, This is huge.)

Secondly, that is what women say when they have cheated for when things are normal and regular, eg when you have lawfully worked and bought your car, you do not make noise about it. But when you are yahoo-yahoo, they just must make noise about it.



Wrong!
Go and read God's judgement. Mr. Adams only crime was simply because he listened to his wife because he made the mistake of loving sex (his wife) more than God. A sin men make again and again eg Abraham, Ahab, Solomon, Sesera, Samson (Job passed this issue and as we can see, he was honoured by God.) That is all.



How can you be so ridiculous like this?

Satan, told her to "eat the fruit" in many words and she confessed that "she ate it". So how can you reasonably say that she did not obey Satan what she was told to do just that by him?

Please, don't ridicule yourself.

According to God's word the most evil human ever on this planet is Adam because it's only his sin that turned billions upon billions of his descendants to sinners! Romans 5:12

So don't be deceived there's no sin committed on this planet that's greater than Adam's sin.

Do you have a prospect of living forever?
What is your net worth?
How beautiful is your wife?
Are you free from sickness?
Can you control all the animals both great and small without any challenging your order?
Can you always speak to God face to face without having to pray?

Well all these and many more are the privileges Adam had that no other human had except Jesus of Nazareth who possesed all the qualities of a PERFECT man {1Corinthians 15:45} despite all these Adam still wants to become God over all his descendants not just a father.

So there's no human as evid as Adam because all of us are faced with circumstances beyond our control that's pushing us into tight corners to do what we wouldn't have done on a good day!

sonmvayina:
Lol..
So who was God talking to in genesis 1:26
Akpakpu

To His only begotten (spirit) Son who was with Him before the creation of all other things! Colossians 1:15-16
If you're doubting the gospels what about the account at Proverbs 8:22-31

sonmvayina:
But yours can't not be substantiated..
How come Abraham and Moses never knew about Jesus. And he even said in Deuteronomy 6:4 that God is one...
So...

Your question is really amusing!
How can your ancestors who lived centuries before you know anything about you?
Come on the book says both Abraham and Moses died over a thousand years before the birth of Jesus so how can they possibly know him?

sonmvayina:
God never said he was going to send his son anywhere in the old testament.
Where did the authors of the gospel get the idea from? Obviously the gospels are written in the 3rd person. And they never claim to know anyone who knows anyone in their story. They never even said they believe the story and how it affected their lives....they are so far from the story they are telling. My reason for believing is hinged on the fact that God has provided every thing in the Tanakh. I don't see the need for jesus or the new testament...
Why invent him?

So try to be consistent in your argument, the events recorded in the Bible are real. It's either you believe or disbelieve there's no sitting on the fence. Supernatural events happens throughout the world what makes that of the God of Israel different is the motive and aftermath unlike other gods that only has stories but purposeless.
Jesus is real whether you accept or not, you can't eat your cake and still have it, if you claim that the Bible is God's word then you have no say against whatever the gospel says about Jesus of Nazareth!

sonmvayina:
I disagree.
God was talking to the earth. She provided the dust for making the body..

No wahala at least God was talking to someone the only difference here is that i believe God spoke with another supernatural being while you believe God spoke to Earth, shey?
It is well!