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Gromilla010:
and you can't escape through Stupidity because you have nothing reasonable to say.
I am not even aggressive because if I divert to aggression trust me you can't stand the heat in the kitchen.

My friend go straight to your question!

TAYO124:
Do not argue blindly or foolishly go back to the covenant God made with Abraham it related with his physical seed primarily.

That "SEED" is not the nation of Israel as many people but just one person "CHRIST" {Galatians 3:16} so God's promises is not for that faithless nation rather God chose them as the nation through whom Christ will be born, had it been they welcome him just as God warned them in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 then the blessings will continue with them but since they rejected him God has also rejected that faithless nation! John 1:11-12

May you have PEACE!

Gromilla010:
that is not what I typed!!
You typed that your god is not all knowing, omniprescence and ommiscience so I followed you up on your warped ideology. Now you want to deny your premise that resulted to our elenchus.
it seems you are Suffering from selective amnesia

Answer my questions stop beating around the bush

If your god is not all knowing he isn't capable of creating the universe and humans...infact he shouldn't be called the supreme but a man-made god
Your false religion is christianity and the fake doctrine,you as a false deluded slave seek to preach and with all the senseless gibberish you as a slave having been Typing down from the onset of our discourse

Yes a fact that is very valid!!!

I am a pagan....the Gods answers our supplication with the necessary enchantment
Our God is all knowing, omnipresent, ommiscience and omnipotent.

You've not asked any further questions rather you're just making assertions based on what you've concluded in your heart.
Please indicate your question by ending with a question mark "?"

But as regards your comment which you're denying now this is what you typed:

Gromilla010:
if you claim that religions who go contrary to your stupid idea is false then that simply means that all religion is false including the denomination you found yourself in.
And the irony of it all is that you have indirectly attested to the fact that you are preaching false religion coupled with your confusion and ignorance.

"God is an intelligent person so He created man to be intelligent (not all knowing) the only difference between man and God is that we have limited powers and knowledge regarding what God created so when any human plans evil against us we can only escape through chances but God knows all the elements as in components that form all things so He can stop whatever evil an intelligent creature plans to do to harm his fellow being".

You have contradicted yourself big-time see how you describe your god as if he is a mortal man from what you typed above
You are confusing yourself, If your god is not all knowing as you claim then he shouldn't know all the elements as in components that form all things as you typed since he created the universe?
If he is not omniprescence as you claim how can he stop whatever evil an intelligent creature plans to do to his fellow creature since he is not everywhere?
If he is ommiscience according to your false religion he should have created an utopian state

If he is not omniprescence or ommiscience how will he judge human according to what your false religion preach about?

It simply means the bible was invented by primitive humans...but our brains are more advanced to accept all those shit
You better stay woke all remain in the stone age

You can't escape through abusive speeches so calm down and let's talk because i'm not moved by your aggression neither will i allow you turn this discussion into exchange of insults!

OkCornel:
Dear brother
God still has unfinished business with the Israelites.

1. The prophecies from Ezekiel 39 on the war of certain nations against Israel is yet to be fulfilled.

2. The prophecies on the temple vision in Ezekiel 40 - 44 is yet to be fulfilled. Infact, Ezekiel 40 v 38-43 clearly shows that sacrifices would be restored in this temple.

3. The prophecies in Isaiah 66 is yet to happen.

4. Same with certain prophecies concerning the nation of Israel in the book of Zechariah.

5. Revelation 11 v 1-3, which is a prophecy concerning a physical temple is yet to happen.

Mind you, the book of Revelation was written after the destruction of the temple in 70AD.

Everything is undergoing fulfilment today!

What you're looking at is the natural Jews not spiritual Jews (born again brothers of Christ) i am telling you today that almost all those prophecies have been fulfilled in our day.

Remember what made most Israelites reject Jesus of Nazareth, well they're expecting Elijah till today because the scriptures say the Christ will not come until Elijah comes to prepare the way for him. Malachi 4:5

That's why the faithful Jews in the first century after fully convinced that Jesus is the Christ asked him:
“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10

In reply Jesus said to them:


“E·liʹjah is indeed coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that E·liʹjah has already come, and they did not recognize him but did whatever they wanted with him. In this way also, the Son of man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist! Matthew 17:11-13

So if you're not connected to Christ's group many things will escape your notice!

Steep:
Israel has not being totally abandoned.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

According to Jesus Christ of Nazareth Israel has been CONDEMNED! Matthew 21:43

What you don't understand is that the name "Israel" is not the real name Isaac gave his son Jacob it's God who gave Jacob that name so it's whoever is willing to do God's will that could be rightly called Israel not just the descendants of Jacob! Matthew 3:7-10

That nation condemned God's only begotten Son of whom it is written:

Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God! John 3:18

That nation as a whole rejected God's only begotten Son {John 1:11-12} saying:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

So whenever you read about Israel afterwards know that it's not referring to that nation but the organization of people practicing what Jesus taught {Romans 2:25-29} as for that nation their land has been condemned! Matthew 23:37-38

For your information 99% of that nation today don't believe in Jesus Christ whom Moses told their forefathers that they must listen to what he's coming to teach them! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Thanks!

melody91:
have been going through pages of Christianity related threads since morning (to add more knowledge) ,what I'm actually surprised about is no single comment from a Muslim to derail or criticize ...which is not always the same on Fridays and yet Muslims are accused of not been tolerant. isn't that hypocrisy?

The truth is that they are not real Christians!

Jesus sent his disciples out in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} this means people who already have the mind of Abraham (individuals seeking pure worship) so it's not through insulting them that we can win such persons {1Peter 3:15} because they believe they're practicing pure worship so it's by speaking to them politely with deep respect that we can catch them! Mark 1:17

I was once a Muslim and i know that many of them have the mind to worship the true God but due to the fact that our parents who took care of us from cradle are Muslims and we can't figure out the evil in them it's really difficult for anyone to come and tell us that such nice people aren't worshiping the true God.

So before we can reach the heart of an unbeliever we also need manners not just words! 1Peter 2:12

OkCornel:
If there’s no temple in Israel, nothing is happening.

I've been noticing you for some time now and it seems you believe God still has something to do with the natural Jews.
Well if that's what you're expecting then let me tell you today that the nation of Israel has been "CONDEMNED" {Matthew 21:43} it's been replaced by another nation producing the fruitage of FAITH.

Why is this necessary?

God is not requesting perfection from imperfect humans making up that nation but for them to work together with the Christ when he comes {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} that is what Jesus told the man who has kept all the laws from his youth {Luke 18:18-23} so for the nation of Israel to slaughter the Messiah and say:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

Jesus told them to cry for their children because the nation has lost the favour they're getting from God and the blessings God promised Abraham has been given to the few Jews who became the first century Christian congregation. That's why all the promises God made with that nation began fulfilling among the Christians (only) Act 2:39

So that nation has absolutely nothing to do with the promises of God today they've lost it all the day God's only begotten Son was killed in Jerusalem!

As for River Tigris it has a symbolic meaning in it's drying up.
In ancient Babylon (the center of pagan worship set up against pure worship) the waters was like a protection behind the walls of Babylon shielding the city from being attacked by enemy nations. Cyrus the Persian diverted the river and his army walked into Babylon on foot to capture the city.

What this mean in our day!

Babylon the Great {Revelations 17:5} means the world empire of false religions, the waters upon which she's seated mean people from all nations {Revelations 17:15} so just as Cyrus diverted all the waters of Tigris so that Babylon became vulnerable to attack Jesus the modern day Cyrus will divert all the people supporting that empire of false religions away from supporting it and then the world government (wild beast) will attack false religions and declare all religions banned! Revelations 17:16

Have you noticed how many people are turning against their religious organizations today? Most people are becoming atheists, some agnostics and still many freethinkers even the few remaining in the churches are doubting if there's anything worthwhile they're doing there.

This is the meaning of River Tigris drying up!

MindHacker9009:
Jehovah's Witness facing more than 50 sexual assault-related charges withdraws bail application
Key points:
A Sunshine Coast man accused of the rape and sexual assault of members of the Jehovah's Witnesses community has withdrawn his bail application
Court documents state the alleged offending occurred over a period of years at several locations throughout Queensland
Police claim in court documents that some of the alleged victims were "ostracised" when they tried to report the matter to senior members of the church.
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101390180

Is the story of King David and Bathsheba (Uriah's wife) real to you?
Does David's action makes God's laws invalid?
Does David's action nullifies the righteousness of pure worship?

This is what pure worship is expected to produce globally:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. 3 And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Note what God's word said about pure worship during the final part of the days:

©People will come from all races to form pure worship.
©They will base their teachings on what they found in the scriptures.
©The Spirit of God will help them settle all their racial disparities among themselves.
©They will divert their resources into production of food and information materials.
©They will stop producing, buying, selling and usage of weapons.
©They will no longer enroll in military services.

Do this organization fulfil all these requirements?
Well if they do then what few individuals among them did is immaterial because the same happened during the time God declared the Israelites His people {Exodus 19:5} and don't forget the case of King David whom God said is a person after God's heart.
When God punished the Israelites it was due to what the majority turned out to be not what two individuals are doing among thousands doing God's will!
So pure worship is not to be measured by what an individual did but collectively as a group!

sonmvayina:
Lol...why does god need to do that ?

Because God knows mankind doesn't need any lengthy write-up in the name of laws to live a holy life, all we need is an exemplar {Deuteronomy 6:6-9} and since the first man failed to be our role model mankind need another Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} who will set the standard with his life! 1Peter 2:21

So just like the first human Son of God Adam {Luke 3:38} Jesus is the only equivalent of Adam to be our role model! John 3:16

MindHacker9009:
Caesar Augustus: Son of God & Prince of Peace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?[b][/b]v=limDa2wNmKg

This is Great!
Please present a group of people under the peaceful reign of Augustus today because Jesus has a global family of peace loving worshipers known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to 9:6-7

Gromilla010:
I am beginning to think you are suffering from selective amnesia
You were the one that stated that your god is not all knowing, omniprescence and omnipotent.
I was following you up based on your stupid analogy.

This is what you typed:

Gromilla010:
If he is ommiscience according to your false religion he should have created an utopian state

So stop putting words into people's mouth and try to listen attentively before running to conclusion.

Gromilla010:
If you claim that his angels are working with God why didn't he know that some of his angels will rebel against him.
That simply means that the angels don't exist neither does demon exist.
What only exist is God, spirit, soul, supernatural and the universe.

He assigned each to a post so since He's not all knowing how can He know who will rebel or who will not? I told you that it's still your false religious background that's driving you not what you're reading now. So calm down, format all the gibberish you've heard in those false religions and reason first before jumping to conclusions.

Gromilla010:
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You have inadvertently linked your god to the scope of human which have made you contradict yourself many times.
If you claim that your god is not ommiscience then he didn't create the universe neither did he create human.
Simply means you are worshipping a dead god.

Your PERSONAL opinion!

Gromilla010:
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Any god who is not all knowing isn't capable of creating the universe or humans, not to talk of the imaginary fictitious angels. Your ideology is warped. I am not an atheist but I simply don't believe the religious bible.

Still your PERSONAL opinion but since you've gotten your own kind of God so let's talk about the God you know and what you've learned about it!

The Son of God!

Gromilla010:
If your god is not all knowing as you claim then he shouldn't know all the elements as in components that form all things as you typed since he created the universe?

How do you come up with such a logic?
An engineer knows all the components that makes up the car he himself created, not so?
Then how come you think the God who created all things can't know everything about what He Himself created?

Gromilla010:
If he is not omniprescence as you claim how can he stop whatever evil an intelligent creature plans to do to his fellow creature since he is not everywhere?

His angels are monitoring His works so if you're walking with God it means you're part of His employees so His angels are watching over you. They're the ones serving as His eyes {Ezekiel 10:12} everywhere His workers go! 2Chronicles 16:9

Gromilla010:
If he is ommiscience according to your false religion he should have created an utopian state

Please what exactly are you trying to say here? I said according to His word God is not Omniscient so what are you saying now?

Gromilla010:
If he is not omniprescence or ommiscience how will he judge human according to what your false religion preach about?

His angels are moving throughout the earth, they're the ones recording the name of those doing God's will {Malachi 3:16} so if anyone is not found written in their records such a person is doomed! Revelations 20:15

Gromilla010:
It simply means the bible was invented by primitive humans...but our brains are more advanced to accept all those shit
You better stay woke all remain in the stone age

If you're here to preach atheism no wahala but take it easy nobody is quarrelling with you in fact i'm enjoying our discussion after all you're asking and receiving just as Christ Jesus said! Matthew 7:7

You're welcome in Jesus name!

Gromilla010:
FYI you are the one deluding yourself with your blatant Stupidity!!!

(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions)GOD is the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

So tell me how the creator of the universe wouldn't be all knowing, omniprescence and ommiscience?

Now you're asking questions intelligently not imposing what false religions spread about the Creator!

how the creator of the universe wouldn't be all knowing, omniprescence and ommiscience?

The Creator said:

"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Genesis 1:26

God is an intelligent person so He created man to be intelligent (not all knowing) the only difference between man and God is that we have limited powers and knowledge regarding what God created so when any human plans evil against us we can only escape through chances but God knows all the elements as in components that form all things so He can stop whatever evil an intelligent creature plans to do to harm his fellow being.

Take for instance the case of Hananiah (Shadrach) Mishael (Meshak) and Azariah (Abednego) God never planned nor knew that Nebuchadnezzar will build a statue and demand that all the people should worship it.
Well it happened and the three Hebrews were brought forward for disobeying Nebuchadnezzar's order, the king ordered a big furnace be made and out of rage he told his attendants to make it hot seven times so that the three Hebrews may be totally destroyed in the fire.
So what will the Almighty do?
Well since He is the Creator who knows all the gases that makes up fire He turned it into an air conditioner for His friends but only the smoke of this fire killed Nebuchadnezzar's bouncers!

Again Daniel was betrayed so that the king's order caught up with him and he must be thrown into the lion's den.
What will the Almighty do?
He simply turned the lions into domestic pets just as they were when Adam named all the animals in Eden {Genesis 2:19} so the lions were playing with Daniel but when God's enemies were thrown in the same place the lions returned to their carnivores nature and they devoured God's enemies.

So we have lots and lots of instances that talks about God's indomitable power but regarding knowing all things? Well He knows everything pertaining to His own plans!

Gromilla010:
it seems you are actually blaspheming against the so called invented bible you seek to preach.
So GOD have enemies?
I am beginning to doubt if that god is actually a God at all based on your stupid analogy.
So how does he intend to judge humans if he is not all knowing and omniprescence.?
If he is lacking the qualities of what a God stands for then he shouldn't call himself a god according to your stupid analogy.

You've been thoroughly deceived by false religions for so long that you're not patient to discuss intelligently anymore.
First go and check the definition of the title "GOD" then come back and tell me if it has to do with all knowing!

Lukuluku69:
Mr. Jehovah witness do you appeal to logic when you poke your nose and knock on people's door? Stop them on the street?
Do you?

Please tell me the crime in visiting your own neighbour to discuss how both of you can live peacefully!

In a prayer to God Jesus said:

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17 Holy Bible

What Jesus meant here is the teachings found in God's word, everything written in the Bible is absolute TRUTH regarding what has happened, what is happening and what will still happen in the future. So God's word is ever reliable to trust (believe)

When God's say "the dead are conscious of nothing" {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} it simply means after death man cease to exist and there is nothing living anywhere except the hope of a resurrection! Job 14:13-15

Janosky:
Go and learn rather than type GIBBERISH of carm.org & Kumuyi controlling your thinking.

Even Kumuyi is confused right now after years of imposing hijab on his worshipers, it now occur to the old man that his daughter in-law who dressed to suit her self makes sense much more than his deeperlifer women who always dress like old mourners!

Gromilla010:
"but they must not think of setting standards for the next generation of humans rather all humans must rely on what God says regarding right and wrong.
That is what the tree in that garden symbolises.
Any attempt by man to set standards for other humans is tantamount to making the one setting such standard a God".
You have actually contradicted yourself based on your opinion above.
If one shouldn't set a standard for human then you have no right to preach your fictitious bible to those who aren't interested in your stupid religious beliefs which I find very awkward

If adam and eve chose to turn against their creator then the god of the bible is not all knowing, omniprescent, ominiscience, omnipotent and all-powerful.
Infact he shouldn't be called a "god"

All powerful? YES! But as for the highlighted He never claimed so in fact His words made it clear to us that He only knows what is happening among His friends as for what His enemies choose to do He is less concerned because they can never ever stop His plan!

Broveens42:
Lol. This is one beautiful thing about religion. You choose to answer question with question...
It's a simple question....are you scared to answer? Kai

From your counter question, you seem to agree there was artificial insemination, and I'm asking, whose semen?

Who made it possible for semen to exist?

Lukuluku69:
Here we go again. She was arrested for not wearing a scarf. Days later she died after going into a coma. For your information, there is a Law in the Islamic Republic of Iran on head scarf wearing for the female folks.

It is true one or two ladies perhaps a dozen burn head scarfs as covered from BBC where you lifted this story from.

In the protests five have been killed by shots from Security operatives.

I don't see why this is any of your business really. Sebi your elders don't do politics and Jesus warned you about following government of this world, so I will advise you cry less in this matter.

It is for Iranians, so let them cry their cry. If they don't want that Law again, they know what to do.

Now to my question, is there no way back for any erring members other than ostracization as your Cult are wont to do?

My Muslim friend abeg follow your own logic!

Broveens42:
You are insinuating that the case of biblical marry was artificial insemination?
Whose semen? ...

Who created semen in the loins of men?

Gromilla010:
If the so called pagan god of the Jews didn't create human being to die but to live forever why did he create the tree of good and evil?

Many people also wonder why all these things are so but then what you need is a Bible study to understand what the tree symbolises.
Adam and Eve were the first human couple as the book says so they're free to do whatever they like as God has given them authority over all the creatures on the planet but they must not think of setting standards for the next generation of humans rather all humans must rely on what God says regarding right and wrong. That is what the tree in that garden symbolises.
Any attempt by man to set standards for other humans is tantamount to making the one setting such standard a God. So Adam and Eve chose to turn against their Creator and then become gods over other humans so that they will be the ones dictating what should be called right and wrong. Genesis 3:4-5
Today what Adam and Eve has been modernized so it's now called POLITICS .
That's what God warned them against because with politics mankind will continue to target self extinction on planet earth! Genesis 2:17

Thanks!

Dtruthspeaker:
Because of the Curse on Adam and Eve which you would have known if not that you like self deceit.

That's why i corrected you below:

Dtruthspeaker:
God's Word never said all men shall suffer hardship of life and all women pregnancy issues, yet we all see it starts with Mr and Mrs Adam aka Eve.

Dtruthspeaker:
God's Word never said all men shall suffer hardship of life and all women pregnancy issues, yet we all see it starts with Mr. and Mrs Adam.

All men are suffering hardship and all women pregnancy issues. If you don't understand ask nobody will flog you!

Dtruthspeaker:
And in the end you were the getting stupider and stupider.

God's word never said Satan or Snake had sex with Eve nah Adam born Cain period!

sonmvayina:
Why would any woman even consider it?
Genealogy is only transferred from father to son. So which story will the woman tell the child when he/she comes of age?
Lie upon lie upon lie.. Spiritually speaking only men where commanded to get married. Women are not obliged. This is because a man needs a woman to be complete while women come complete..

Perhaps this should teach you that God doesn't need to have sex with Mary before transferring the life of His only begotten Son into Mary's womb!

sonmvayina:
Lol
Maxindhouse is this you?
Or somebody hacked your account.
I can't believe this is coming from you..

You only need to know the indepth meaning of the word "IDOL" so you're not pestered to say things due to gullibility.

People choose the God of their choice either an IDOL or the true God but the edge pure worship had above Idolatry is the different races will come to reason with pure worship when they grasp the BENEFITS! Isaiah 1:18

So calling a religion idolatry simply because you find it absurd doesn't count what really count is BENEFITS God promised in the Bible, as long as such BENEFITS are gotten then it's the truth from God! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Dtruthspeaker:
Genesis 2:28 calls you a liar. You do not have any valid thing to say.

Genesis chapter 2 no reach verse 28 o!

Dtruthspeaker:
You just talking more rubbish. The copper serpent was cure/remedy/antidote given in reward of their repentance.
Please eh, I have had enough of your rubbish.

Your stupidity is what i intend to expose Snake never committed adultery with Eve, let that sink into your empty skull!

tctrills:
It's really simple, The Apostles and Prophets of God would not give you wrong explanations of the scripture but your church is giving you very wrong interpretations. This is why you need the spirit to teach you wrong from right. You need the spirit to identify the apostles and prophets of God.
My point remains since we don't attend the same church, your church interpretation is not what matters but the right interpretation.

WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:23

Oya interpret what is written in God's word at Romans 16:17, 1Corinthians 5:12-13 & 2John 10-11 nah!

Lukuluku69:
Are you Kobojunkie in disguise? If you don't know what I have in mind, why not seek clarifications before assuming?
And I did not jump into any thread. Nairaland is a PUBLIC FORUM and not your Kingdom Hall. That said, your reference to Iran and what is happening about the woman that died has no correlation to what the thread is about.
The woman in question was not killed but died in detention.

Abeg what led to her death?

For your information your fellow Muslim sisters in Iran are now burning their hijab to tell the whole world that the dress code is slavery!

Lukuluku69:
Oga you assume too much. You keep finding what is not lost. Go back and read what I posted and before you reply again, take a deep breath and possibly a glass of water.
I only asked: is there no way of turning back for anny erring members and see the analogy you are bringing up. Are you related to kobojunkie ni? Abeg rest.

This is your first mention of me in this thread:

Lukuluku69:
Oga Intelligence Officer, so going contrary to what Jesus taught should ordinarily lead to suicides?
E de beru Olohun.

So i know what you have in mind before jumping into the thread.
Your own religion killed (not shun) a woman for not putting on a hijab, now your own brothers are protesting against the stupid rules from their own god because it makes no practical sense!

So Jehovah's Witnesses who shunned a rebel shouldn't be blamed for whatever the rebel choose to do afterwards, that's what i'm telling you!