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Blue86:
Thank God, you differentiated between suicide and judgement of God.

Blue86:
You mean the one led to a sister's death and macabre massacre of her family, is it to that end the scriptures you are quoting is made?

Blue86:
Everybody is welcomed with open hands by the Lord Jesus, if one assembly discard you, there are many others, except if you are brainwashed that the assembly that discarded you is the only true assembly there is, and there is no other.

Oyiboman69:
Christianity was already being practice by the English where the king was the head of the church....
How can you separate that when the same people who enslave you were the same people at the same time....
you can only say that they are not doing it truly the way it ought to be but, saying they aren't the same people even when they've already killing people in England who are not in with their belief...I suggests you go back to your history book....

Ayietim:
The seekers are not generous with their findings. Note, not in words but in actions.

Oyiboman69:
The British monarch (currently Charles III) is the supreme governor and the archbishop of Canterbury (currently Justin Welby) is the most senior cleric. The governing structure of the church is based on dioceses, each presided over by a bishop. Within each diocese are local parishes.

MaxInDHouse:
Well the first century young Jewish carpenter known as Jesus of Nazareth is the person called "CHRIST" {Matthew 16:13-16} the group practicing what he taught {John 15:14} are "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} not faithless people praying, singing or worshiping in his name! Matthew 7:21-23

So i repeat those people weren't Christians but politicians!

Oyiboman69:
lies...the British that came are already practising christianity in the church of England....

PrinxArthur1:
Please what are the unforgivable sins ?

lastchild:
Do you know any book that gives deeper insights on the Bible?

i mean books that explains Bible deeper and brings it to your understanding. I know there are many of them but i need recommendations

cornelboy:
Dear Wilgrea7,
Water boils at 100°c at sea level. That's absolutely correct. I can put some water on fire, boil it and confirm it myself.
Science can tell us how things work, what they are made of, mode of operation etc.
But when scientists start making up stories about what happened billions of millions of thousands of years ago, it would only remain speculations based on their personal observations and not a proven "facts".
For example, I read an article that explains that the first humans in Savannah Africa started evolving the thumb in order to make tools and survive in his harsh environment. It's crazy. They were never there to witness how and when it happened.

It takes nothing but faith to believe their stories.

You should stick with your belief and I stick with mine.

imagrg:
Many of us deceive ourselves by thinking we would make heaven because we attend Church Services often without realising that our service to God is service to humanity.

Oftentimes, as I pass by some markets in the early hours of the day, I see Christian worship organised outside some shops with most traders in attendance. The irony of it all is that, after such services, same traders would still go about either selling fake or adulterated products or selling essential commodities at exorbitant prices.

This act is ungodly and traders should desist from it. Making extraordinary gains in trade is considered as usury in the Bible and it is considered sinful in the sight of God.

Wilgrea7:
We wouldn't have gone to hell any more than current Muslims would have gone to their hell if their ancestors didn't convert to islam

gameova:
What difference does it make?

chieveboy:
I have seen where you console yourself in an effort to fan the embers of spiritual sleep and slumber that demons are running the show when people have Soul Travel experiences and see or hear things one can't describe or are unlawful to speak. See, Soul is So powerful splendid and majestic that the idea of housing it in a physical body is to shut all that maverick up--to debase it so that it could dwell in an imperfect planet and so some awful things and learn from that. The body is it's school uniform. Unleashed, it can burn down a planet! But lo, here you are mentioning entities of very low vibration in same line with Soul If demons are of interest to you, they are right there in the lower astral realm looking for a miracle seeker or marabout to enter into contract with and so on. Actually what you guys do with that demon line is to scare the sheeples and keep them in check. It's to invalidate any experience any one could have had just so your story would remain the only valid one while your flock is kept in check
This (however) is ECK! Only for the bold and courageous!!

gameova:
Imagine Nigeria without Christianity Or Knowledge Of Anybody Called Jesus still practicing Our traditional Religion without any Colonial Interference. Will we all (now Christians) have gone to hell when we died?

NemoDatQuod:
I am glad you did not refute what God said in the 1st Corinthians I quoted. I take it you agree with God that a Christian should not pall around with those who claim to be their brothers/sisters and who engage in what God described in that 1st Corinthians. So it is the duty of a Christian to "shun" such persons. It is not the poison dished out by the so called eight in NY, as stated by the OP.

Your silence shows that you are in agreement with that one, right? When the truth is pointed out to you, you owe yourself a responsibility to acknowledge that truth. That way, you make that truth your own and ensure that you repudiate the associated falsehood wherever else it arises. So, start by acknowledging the truth of what God stated in the scriptures first, before you raise additional accusations. Or do you want to state as your opinion ( without any evidence) that the command in 1st Corinthians has been doctored?

Secondly, I am not a peddler. If you want to have a constructive conversation ( not proud shouting match of "my voice is bigger than yours" ), raise an issue where you think JW has misinterpreted the scripture or twisted it as you have accused them of doing without proffering evidence. State which verse and chapter they've twisted in their bible. State the name of that their "special" bible. Then quote the same scripture from another bible that you trust. Then we can have a respectful conversation.

Repeating fallacies and hearsay is different from undertaking a diligent, disciplined study and arriving at your own independent conclusions.

To be a truth speaker, as your handle suggests, you have to first be ready and willing to make out time to research the truth. You also need to be someone who is open to acknowledge the truth when he sees it.

You consciously did not acknowledge the truth you saw in that 1st Corinthians, because it did not fit into your narrative. Instead, you went after another fallacy and lie because you did not have a valid response to the truth you saw. God is not about which church you go to or which pastor(or "man of god" ) you make your god. God is about truth and truth is based on facts. That is no way to be a truth seeker let alone truth speaker. A truth speaker follows the facts regardless of where it leads and he/she acknowledges it when it stares him in the face and is happy and willing to change their views based on the truth.

When you think you are that person, then we can have a respectful conversation.

I won't even give attention to the fact that you are comfortable calling someone you do not know "a liar", simply because you have differences of opinion and without you providing the evidence on why the person is a liar. You can have a different opinion without the other opinion being a lie and without being nasty and calling someone a liar. Those who truly want to do good in life find it difficult to easily associate with demeaning words such as that.

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chieveboy:
See who is talking about convincing with reasonable point
Remember you are part of the ones who are totalling 144k and are the chosen o, and you only read it from a book o,
I on the other hand said anyone is equipped to explore any planet, Time track and whatever they wish to to verify any event of their choice without waiting to argue it out on Nairaland. Is that too hard to comprehend or accept?
Eckankar is not a theory or a "them say" path. We already have too many. Here you prove God for yourself. Not read about IT or be told about IT. Likewise the Holy Spirit. You experience IT. Reading and mentalizing or debating these THINGS are just a massaging of the intellect that offers you nothing at the end.
So sir, make this God in Jehova Witness a reality in your life via a conscious experience of him. It is not after you die. It is very possible.

chieveboy:
Very simple: you should be there to see things for yourself so you prove beyond even reasonable doubt itself. Seeing is believing they say, though we say "if you see, you no longer "believe", you know"!

Courz:
I know this story. And this isn't the only case. There are other cases of Murder suicide because of this religion. There are many people who committed suicide due to the Isolation this religion promotes. Once you disagree with their doctrines and leave the Cult, you are isolated immediately. It is a dangerous Cult that destroys dreams and families. It is solely responsible for a lot of needless deaths due to incorrect, twisted Bible interpretations. Nothing more nothing less. This is how you know something is terribly wrong with this religion.

TheDictatorNd:
Judaism is the only true religion of the bible, any worship you give to God that contradict the law he gave to moses is false worship

chieveboy:
I would have loved to ask if I am sure you know anything beyond what is written in your book. Someone who had been to Aso Rock villa and participated of it should not come asking someone who only reads about Aso rock--a discombobulated account of Aso Rock at that, right?

oteneaaron:
What exactly has your organization been doing since 1870?

Stay alive till "75"?

The world would be destroyed in "1914"?

The return of Abraham in "1925" living in Beth Sarim?

What about your calculation of "1914" which was gotten from the Great Pyramid of Egypt?

If you call the above snippets from the history of your organization "past mistakes"

How have you "retraced your steps" as an organization?



A structure with a shaky foundation, no matter how much renovation you do, will always fall - it is only a matter of time.

When the history of your cult is critically studied right from the very beginning with Charles Taze Russell, your foundations are revealed to be shaky and not stable.

Therefore, your structure cannot stand the realities of its own history.

chieveboy:
In your camp, I can let you know I know subliminally in your heads is this 'assurance', pleasure and satisfaction that the someday, a lot of you will gain your VALIDATION (called "rewards) when your counterparts are right? It's like some people will get their vengeance finally when the rest of us burn .

See, why not try to visit this heaven while alive to validate instead, or even that particular day in the future when the burning will be done to VALIDATE? It is possible and ordinary people including your kids at home have been doing it--visiting heaven daily until when the start to read those stuff that tells them it's evil or such. Everyone does it albeit unconsciously, tland then they will act and look like drunks on the streets of the Astral plane aka First Heaven...

It is being done since the existence of flesh and blood and before scriptures were written and religions made, so much that our redesigners and "makers" have to find ways to keep us permanently inside the body because we are spirits and we tend to 'vamose' too fast for their liking. It is our default nature or God-given skill like the ability to formulate words and speak it. .

If you think it's impossible, it's impossible only due to your mind and things you've read and accepted as "de word of de lordu". In the past, some folks believe it's impossible for mankind to fly in the sky. We literally do it today. They called the pioneers of flight "clowns" just like your church boy calling both of us clowns

Please feel free to paste scriptures that further bottle up your spiritual gifts and abilities...doing you are OYO.

oteneaaron:
To understand the present and predict the future, we MUST first understand the past.
Even the concept of artificial intelligence is based upon feeding the algorithm past or historical data. Who are we without our past?
Do your research - but you wouldn't listen.

cornelboy:
Clowns full here o.

AllenforGOD:
Oga Intelligence Officer, the joke is on you! It is your people that teaches that Jesus is so peaceful he can't hurt a fly but on the contrary we read how he asked his Team to go buy SWORDS, how he made a WHIP/SCOURGE, how he CURSED A Tree not in Season to bear Fruits.How he lambasted the Elders of his people.
I ask you again, what do people do with swords, whips and what is the meaning of Curses spiritually You won't see all these because you have be programmed not to see it.
You claimed to follow the examples of Jesus, so when are you going to make your own whip and go chase people selling anointing oils, white handkerchiefs, G.Os portraits and many machandise in God's house? If you truly follow him, when are you going to do that
So, telling his Team to go buy swords too is legitimate
As for our Masajids, buying and selling is not allowed you should know that abi when you were a Muslim did you see trading inside the Mosque you attend
u are a pervert,jesus said my father's house is not for trade.

chieveboy:
The supreme deity. The one that is neither male nor female. The one whose quality is only LOVE. Nothing like momentary anger or any Satan trying to overthrow IT and all that.
Nameless, indescribable, unquantifiable. Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient-LOVE ITself (to say the least).

cornelboy:
It's very unreasonable to wake up one day and start investigating what happened 4000 years ago.
Like what exactly do you want to investigate?
The fact that you don't see any substantial evidence about events that happened hundreds of years ago doesn't automatically proves that the stories are fictional.
They are real.

chieveboy:
Back in the day, I did all that "rightousness, Following and Obeying God" thing and though well, "one has to do these things else, one may risk not enjoying the promises of God" in their life or getting something worse like risking being burnt eternally if one does not play by the rules...that kind of stuff...and God to me was something else...

I could not 'look at God in the face' (so to speak). It's a do-or-die, obey-or-be-damned thing.

I'm somewhere else now in life now where this God-via-love is all is done. It feels safer to do the 'God' and 'heaven' thing this time.

Down here, we're made to understand that this 'love' we have for our girlfriends, pets, family, vocation, food and so on is actually a sacred faculty of ours touching the very garment of God that we are all part of and we feel it as 'Love' or a sweet feeling...

We're taught God can only be love at any given point in time and nothing else. IT (God) is not concerned with acknowledgement of it's existence, praises and austerities. IT knows what IT is. IT simply is an Ocean of Love and Mercy...

Wouldn't you rather Love someone, animal place or thing then? In doing so, you are actually doing yourself a lot of good and service beyond striving to get a place "at the right hand of God", belonging in an religion, "believing" and all that. There is actually nothing more beyond Love!

Guilt, self-pity, fear of God and such, are actually spiritual crimes we do against ourselves and God (by extension). We suffer the consequences like like timidity, low IQ, and so on.

Sing any religious song you know with all the love or gratitude you can muster to God or even another person. This may be more powerful than a 40day fast for you. This is the key that unlocks you to realize the sea of Love/God you are presently floating in...

Blessings...

TheDictatorNd:
Christianity is not the religion of the bible