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FERNANDEZISBACK:
So yall don't pay the so called tithe thing?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm that's a dicey one!

Throughout the earth Jehovah's Witnesses are paying our tithes but unlike the old covenant where Israelites were required to bring tenth part of their gain Christians are required to pay with their time as we must find time no matter how tight our schedule to visit our neighbours preach and teach them what Jesus commanded us. Matthew 28:19-20

He has replaced the High Priest of the old covenant so whoever is paying tithes in line with the old covenant is practicing Idolatry today, because we're to pay our tithes to Christ through the sacrifice of the time we spend in the preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom.

That's why Jesus spoke about the man who has kept all the laws from his youth but refused to become one of Jesus' humble disciples who must go visiting people in their homes! Luke 18:18-23

elated177:
What about along the line of Hebrews 9:22?

"Yes, according to the Law nearly all things are cleansed with blood, and unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place"

The wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} so if the sinner will not pay with his/her life then another life must suffice that's why blood is required. Just as through one (perfect) man all humans because sinners the same is applicable to redemption that through the blood one (perfect) man all will be cleansed! Romans 5:11-12

Do you accept that Yahushua the Messiah is embodiment of the Ten Commandments?

He is the perfect description of God's attributes {John 14:9} so we don't need laws to become God's children, all we need is a role model CHRIST! John 1:11-12

Two02:
The gullibility of the gulliblee seems to amaze me. Paying your tithe doesn't guarantee you a slot in heaven it doesn't matter what matters is your relationship with God.
Many of this megachurch pastors just want to rip you off through threats of hell our God is love he won't send anyone to hell, because of tithe

The truth is that all tithe payers today are idolaters because our ancestors that embrace Christendom never did so due to fear of some fairy hell rather they were idolaters who always switch easily over to the god that's able to make life better for them, and from what they can see it seems to them that the god of these whitemen has lots of goodies to offer than their own gods. That's why most of them switch over to Christendom. Our forefathers strongly believe in virtue and there's nothing virtuous the whiteman can preach to them better than what they knew themselves.
But when it comes to the things the whiteman has in times of technological innovations our forefathers just marvel helplessly as they don't have anything to show for their own idols.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Hmm..a sensible Christian..
Are you a xtian tho?

Maximus, one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You need a smack In the face for this gibberish..this is how you plunge your members into suffering all In the name of imaginary hell and heaven and God nonsense..

If your God and pastors are sensible they wouldn't be extorting people of their little funds..
I blame the Dumbos who f**lishly and st*pidly pay nonsense to a man... all In the name of tithe and salvation..

The highlighted!

Only a handful few are scared of the fairy hell and that's because they're scared of being different from the majority who are just idolaters. Matthew 7:13-14

The Pastors concentrate on the idolaters in their churches because they know that where the majority is heading determines what fearful ones will do. Revelations 21:8

There is no place called Hell it's simply means the usual grave of all mankind and as for those Idolaters paying tithes they're not paying it because of the fear of any hell rather they're paying to please Mammon the god of fortune.
Fraudsters, Robbers, Kidnappers, Ritualists, Murderers and many other greedy politicians do pay tithes. Do you think they're doing so for the fear of some fairy hell where sinners will be tormented?

So no matter how clearly they see the facts regarding tithes they will pay because they just don't want to be left out when talking about the goodies they're hearing about Mammon! Matthew 6:24

There is lot missing if you just pick the case of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch without carefully meditating on why Philip only need to centralize on Jesus.
The Ethiopian eunuch is already familiar with all that has been prophesied about the Messiah (Christ) and that's what he's reading aloud in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) but he's confused as to who this person is. Act 8:32-33 compare to Isaiah 53:7-8

That's why Philip had to TEACH him that the prophecy is talking about the man who was killed by the Roman government for the offense of claiming he is God's Son! Matthew 26:59-68

Today most people want to PREACH but they've got nothing to TEACH and Jesus' order to his disciples is not just to preach rather we are to PREACH and TEACH because in that way a disciple baptized will know why he's been baptized not just becoming another misinformed churchgoer but fully competent and completely equipped to talk about his faith convincingly that Jesus is the Son of God!

KnownUnknown:
Let me rephrase.
What do you think of the actions of The Lord, Moses, and Israel regarding the Midianites as written in The Book of Numbers, Chapter 31?

@ Numbers 31
God judged the Midianites according to their hatred towards God's plan which is to redeem mankind.

First of all their King and elders with those of Moab conspired to hire a wizard who will curse God's people so that the plan to establish pure worship may not be accomplished! Numbers 22:7

Secondly they instructed their young ladies to seduce Israelite men into commiting sexual immorality {Revelations 2:14} which led to the death of some 24,000 Israelites! Numbers 25:1-3, 17-18
1Corinthians 10:8

Please what exactly is the business between Islamic terrorists and those being killed today?

The Israelites were former settlers in Canaan before they migrated to Egypt during the famine {Genesis 41:57; 42:1; 46:26-27} and all the inhabitants of Canaan knew where the Israelites occupied before moving to Egypt.
So if they now heard that their God has freed them in Egypt and they've left the place surely they supposed to know that they're retuning to the place from where they migrated to Egypt!
Please tell me what business does this Islamic terrorists had in time past with those being attacked on their own soil today?

elated177:
Is that all?

The book (Bible) has all the details but as you can see i'm only summarizing it in just one or two sentences.
OT~How we got here, how trouble began, how God dealt with a chosen nation and how God promised through the chosen nation to redeem mankind.
NT~How the means of mankind's redemption came, how he lived like all other men before he got baptized, his ministry, teachings, disciples, how he faced fierce opposition among his own race, accusation, arrest, charged, arraigned, judged, sentenced, his execution, resurrection and ascension back to heaven.
You can add what else you remember.

You are being evasive.

God's word means what God said but if you're referring to John 1:1 that is another thing entirely.
In heaven God passes information to all his angelic sons through the firstborn just as God intended to pass information to all mankind through Adam His firstborn human Son {Luke 3:38} so even though all the angels knew God, it's their elder brother who is the firstborn that always speak to them as God's mouthpiece {1Thessalonians 4:16} everything including all the angels are like his properties inherited from his father. Colossians 1:15-16
So they all know the person whose voice they always heard as God's chiefspokeperson back in heaven {Mark 1:24} that's why he is rightly called "the word of God"
Most misinformed people often misconstrue that and spewing nonsense about Jesus but from his own expression it's clear that he differs from the person who sent him {Matthew 24:36; Luke 22:42} both of them have their individual mindset the son only love doing whatever pleases his father {John 8:28} that's all!

Engr2016:
The argument is needless bro. Why? Simply because we are saying the same thing but in different ways. Can anyone even practice tithing fully without the Levitical priesthood or Jerusalem temple or Tabernacle in Shiloh? The answer is no! So that's why I stated if anyone wants to practice it, it must be done based on the scriptural requirement. But this is practically difficult if not totally impossible currently. The modern day Jews knows this very well and that's why they don't pay any tithe today. What they normally do is to contribute to the support of their synagogues but not tithe is involved.

The highlighted are part of those who received the law to pay and collect TITHES among their own brothers {Hebrews 7:5} not gentiles, that's what i'm saying. So if anyone wants to practice it today they're on their own!

Engr2016:
As far as I know it in the Bible that I have ready back to back for several years by the grace of GOD, I believe tithe is not commanded for Christians at all but whoever want to still insist on practicing it must do so in the exact way it was commanded unlike what prosperity preachers are doing.

Practicing it is CRIME if you're not a Jew because the COVENANT God established that brought tithing is only with the nation of Israel, it's Christ that preached and send his followers to go and preach to people like you and i.
So nothing connects you to tithing since Jesus through whom God established a COVENANT with people of other nations never practiced tithing nor taught his followers to practice it in the New Covenant.
So it's tantamount to adding to what you were taught nobody taught you tithing in Christ Jesus!

OkCornel:
When someone has absolutely nothing useful to add to the discussion or counter a position, it's so obvious. Empty barrels indeed make loudest noise

The group name "CHRISTIANS" sounds good to most people because it's clear that in the first century Jew bearing that group name were virtuous individuals back then.
But what most people failed to know is that the first century followers of Christ proved to be fully competent and completely equipped {2Timothy 3:17} in handling God's word with mild temper and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} just like their teacher Jesus! Act 4:13

immaculatesense:
I just confirmed that too...it's sealed

Farewell!

immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
Answer for urself whether it is right to learn from someone whose foundation is questionable and whose reasoning is programmed.

Choose whatever you want to believe, my God totally differs from yours. Period!

Dtruthspeaker:
While you counsel your Satan people, o I get it!

Better!

Engr2016:
Another major area in which prosperity preachers are making serious error in the matter of tithe is what they actually do with the gathered tithes.
TITHE IS NOT FOR:
1. Tithe should not be used to build your personal empire
2. Tithe should not be used to acquire wealth and riches
3. Tithe should not be diverted outside the church to start business ventures
4. Tithe should not be used to buy mansions and private jets
5. Tithe should not be used for building glamorous cathedrals, auditoriums etc
5. In conclusion , even if you must collect tithes , it should strictly be used to do what the scriptures stipulates . Anything outside of this amounts to disobedience, heresy and greed.

Tithe should not be mentioned at all in the gathering of little christs (Christians) because neither Christ nor his church had anything to do with material tithing!

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the person who was mad enough to link counseling with mad obsession.

Go and counsel your church people!

OkCornel:
MaxinDHouse, please can you confirm I answered immaculatesense 6 questions in this post?

https://www.nairaland.com/7209055/after-rapture-what-happen-earth/2#114468761


No wiggle room for escape.

I wasn't following!
I hate reading misinformed churchgoer's posts so once i find out that someone isn't ready to learn i totally ignore them and their post!

immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
For the first time I will agree with u...maybe we do not bliv in same God like u always emphasize...I know my God YAHWEH...maybe I don't know urs...
And Michael is not the one I am waiting for...I am waiting for Christ Jesus...so,like u said...maybe we are waiting for two different Messiah...wait for ur Michael...I will wait for my Christ Jesus(Son Of Man).
And maybe it was ur Messiah dat had come in 1914 like ur founder said...maybe...but mind had not come.
So,maybe we are not serving the same God like u always claim since all indications shows our different hopes and believe.
Matthew 24:23,26-27
[23]“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it.
[26]“So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!
[27]For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.

I have told you times without number:

You and i aren't worshiping the same God!

So stop thinking there's any similarity between my God and yours the difference is clear.
Please continue worshiping your God while i keep worshiping mine and stop quoting me because it can't work out friendship between you and i.
Goodbye!

elated177:
What is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

OT is the history of mankind and how God dealt with a chosen nation. NT is about how mankind will gain salvation through a role model CHRIST.

I meant the "Word of YHVH". So, maxindhouse, who is the Word of YHVH?

God's word is God's word what else do you think it is?

Dtruthspeaker:
In addition to your satanness is increased madness. No reasonable person can ever think to link simple counseling with crazed maniacal display, but obviously, your poverty has increased your madness which is why you do this. Shoo off madman! Gosh, what a Curse!

Just stop mentioning/quoting me because you lack the basic knowledge to chat with me on scriptural topics!

Lot of things to be clarified but it's a pity most people hate clarification!

Well we are all humans but do you know that some humans living with us now are Born Again?
YES, they were born of water and spirit just as Jesus of Nazareth promised {John 3:5-6} and they're doing wonders throughout the world today. Matthew 5:13-16
But what is special about these so called BORN AGAIN BROTHERS OF CHRIST? Matthew 25:40
Well i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses if you want to know more ask and it will be given to you {Matthew 7:7-8} just know that in this our generation spirit filled humans are around us {Zechariah 8:23} working towards the glorious ushering of a New system of things: PARADISE! Matthew 28:20

May you have PEACE!

OkCornel:
Just as I expected, emotional and sentimental reasoning. For starters, I’m not a JW, so I don’t understand how you arrived at such a faulty assumption.

Before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses i've heard many of my friends saying "if you're interested in Christ it's a good thing but don't join Jehovah's Witnesses because they're not Christians"
So i was confused because that's the one and only church whose members are preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door about God's Kingdom just as Jesus Christ commanded!

Now i know better!
It's those pastors enslaving them that's telling them not to listen to Jehovah's Witnesses.
From time immemorial the one and only modern day religion claiming "Christians" that stood firmly against monetary tithing is Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
So when any of them see someone speaking against tithing and backing up his/her speech with scriptures they're baffled thinking such a person is a member or student studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses: the one and only group TEACHING millions and making them fully competent and completely equipped disciples of Christ!

Dtruthspeaker:
Thief, The rich never bother about other people's riches it is only the poor and hungry. Tithe Thief!

So Jesus is a thief for admonishing his disciples not to accumulate material possessions, shey?

I've told you times without number to stop quoting me because you can never find anything wrong with me but i will continue to point out the evil hidden in your heart.
That's the edge spiritual men like me have above physical men like you! 1Corinthians 2:15

You can't find any scripture to back what you're saying against my submission but i don't like exposing you if not because you're crossing the line to come after me!

So if you want peace for your soul stop quoting me. For scriptural matter i pass you no be small!

Dtruthspeaker:
Mr. Off Point, the thief, no one ask who is the richest man in the world. Obviously you are very hungry you should not bother, you will never be rich.

I'm rich just like my Lord who commanded me to store my treasures in heaven where moth or rust can't reach, and where thieves can't break in and steal my treasures! Matthew 6:19-20

Can't you see how rich i am in the spirit? Luke 6:45

I'm greater than you in the sight of the true God because material possessions is never my goal so i won't keep demanding what Christ our new High Priest never demanded from anyone: TITHES in material possessions! Matthew 23:23

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!

Dtruthspeaker:
O I see, you are the thief! It is because you are greatly jelous of the riches of pastors that is why your Satanness has once again come out. Lake of Fire loaded.

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!
The richest man on this planet is Jesus Christ of Nazareth followed by Adam both of them were rich in glory as everything both in heaven and on earth were created by Jesus and belongs to him {Colossians 1:15-16} Adam the earthly brother of Jesus {Luke 3:38} on the other hand has everything on this planet at his disposal, they were contented and willing to share what they had with others unlike you and your greedy satanic Pastors who want all the glory and to live like God's over other humans {Matthew 6:24} all in the name of servants of God claiming you're related to Jesus who never accumulated a single material possession! Matthew 6:19-23

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!

Dtruthspeaker:
And if everyone checks it, they would see that the sermon is right in the middle of The Commandments.eg Do not Kill, is still do not kill and anger is a type of killing. If you bring your gift to the alter and you remember you have issues with your brother, this is The Law in Luke 19:17, adultery is still Do not commit adultery etc.

All those laws were written no longer in words but on Jesus Christ who never committed any of it so whoever wants to be a little Christ (Christian) can't rejoice committing such blunders {1Corinthians 13:6} so we don't teach one another saying do not commit this or do not commit that, all we need is to focus on our role model CHRIST! Hebrews 12:2

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just children of disobedience, the sermon on the Mount is still The Same Law and Commandments given to Moses.

In what way have i been DISOBEDIENT?
Is it not you and your greedy pastors that are disobedient to the Son of God by accumulating material possessions on planet earth when Christ ordered us to live simple lives?
You have robbed your neighbours so much that you and your pastors no longer walk freely without armed security guards because you're scared of being attacked by those who are also lovers of material possessions like you THIEVES! Matthew 6:19

OOOOLLLÈÈÈÈÈÈÈ!

elated177:
Who is Yahushua the Messiah?

A messenger of the covenant sent to establish the New Covenant! Malachi 3:1

What is the Word YHVH?

Meaning "He causes to become" the Creator of all thing, He created the first creature {Proverbs 8:22-31} and empowered him to create all other things! Colossians 1:15-16

So they're separate beings not the same as TRINITARIANS do claim.

elated177:
What is missing?

CHRIST!
Whatever makes God told Moses that another prophet will come and TEACH what Israelites must accept {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} then the Mosaic laws including the so called ten commandments is not sufficient Sir!

Courz:
That means you totally disagree with Jesus in his discussion with the Samaritan Woman if you are still asking for a better option. See? You JWs are against Jesus, the King of Kings! You disregard his words. He means nothing to you.

Ọmọ you don kolo!

Byebye!

Courz:
That means you totally disagree with Jesus in his discussion with the Samaritan Woman if you are still asking for a better option. See? You JWs are against Jesus, the King of Kings! You disregard his words. He means nothing to you.

Since you agree with Jesus oya present a better performing group than JWs!

elated177:
Are the Ten Commandments sufficient for any follower of Yahushua the Messiah?

NO!

Courz:
Yes. Watchtower is a trustworthy Interpreter of Scriptures with this legacy below.

If you have a better option then present it!