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That preacher is not a Christian!

He constituted nuisance in their neighbourhood and they drove him away for his useless noise.

For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. Romans 10:9-10

Paul never said anything about BORN AGAIN in the verses you quoted!
Though being saved is one thing and being Born Again is another thing.

ANTIlSLAM:
1. The first hospital in Nigeria was built by Christians

2. The Improvement of Trade in Nigeria

3. Building of Schools and Man Power by Misionarie

4. The Proviions of Postal Services by Church Mision

5. Road Network Construction by the Misionaries in Ikare-Akoko Area

6. Christianity Promotes Love Among Nigerian

7. Spectacular Misionary Outreaches

Oya list the benefits islam has brought to Nigeria

Are you sure of this?
I'll reserve my comments!

OkCornel:
Fringe theorist, did Jewish scholars and historians unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ?
If yes, kindly provide evidences.

The one and only evidence Jesus Christ said will always be there that he once walked this planet:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be WITNESSES OF ME in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

It's just a pity that the world hates Jesus Christ with passion and he himself said they will also hate his true disciples.
But why will normal people hate Jesus and his disciples {2Corinthians 4:4} when they don't drag political seats with anyone neither do they get involved in protests against the government?

Well it's because Jesus' presence judges this wicked world, his lifestyle says a lot about how we should all react towards the condition we found ourselves on this planet whereas most people feel like doing things the way they feel justifying it with the condition they found themselves.
So my friend don't think all these people have anything tangible to say other than advising one another to live in harmony with whatever is applicable. If it will take lying, fighting, killing, cheating, fraud, immorality or anything just to get through it's OK but that's exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught. So Jesus' words, thoughts and actions is like exposing them as wicked people! John 3:19

Therefore any organization working towards establishing what Jesus taught as their tenets will also be hated with passion! John 15:17-22

The time is running out my friend, soon they will all agree to do away with all their religions because that's what causes division among them making them vulnerable to Jesus' true disciples (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) to catch sincere individuals alive like fish {Mark 1:17} making them disciples for Jesus! Matthew 28:19

So Satan is gradually working towards getting them prepared for ARMAGEDDON when all of them will agree to forgo anything having to do with Jesus then turn against Jesus' true disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 16:14-16

I know this will shock you but that's what is happening now!

cornelboy:
Haa! Five year old thinking and reasoning. Is this your best
Abeg getat.

He reserves the OLAADEGBU (account) so as not to be known as an abusive agitator.
He knows next to nothing that's why he always rejoice whenever a JW gets tough with him, that's the time to pour out all the insults, abuses and curses stored in his brains! Luke 6:45
That's why i always caution Janosky not to give him that chance to exchange hurtful words because if you're mildly chatting with him he'll either run away or throw insults at you so as to drag you down to the level where he's master: ABUSE SPEECHES!

Most times he has tried to drag me down to his level but when i tell him to calm down he will tell me Janosky abused him!

Janosky:
Oga, give your Scripture for others to read and study for salvation.
Man wey You know pass GB in his delusion.

Don't mind the Mikee19 guy, he's a coward who has been running away from the truth for sometime now but with the support of other misinformed churchgoers he now has the impetus to say what he's been harboring in his mind even though he still that something strange is happening.
Well i've always been straightforward with him so it's either he's on the side of the truth or he goes back to the broad road where they can believe anything in Jesus name and nobody questions anybody! Matthew 7:13-14

OkCornel:
Fringe theorist, did Jewish scholars and historians unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ?
If yes, kindly provide evidences.

Jesus clearly said something that when looked into carefully you will know that it's a curse on unbelieving Jews and false religionists claiming believers.
Jesus said:

"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" Luke 11:23

All those that refuses to believe in Jesus can't think alike it's just impossible because only Jesus Christ is the way, truth and life no one can connect the true God without Jesus! John 14:6

They can only agree to criticize Jesus and his true disciples but they can never agree to work together for peaceful coexistence, rather they will continue to build destructive weapons and killing themselves! Revelations 6:3-4

But as for those who are with Jesus in Spirit and in Truth {John 4:24} they will be connected to the father through Christ Jesus! John 17:22

No be rocket science nah wisdom from the world's most wonderful counselor of all time: Jesus of Nazareth! Isaiah 9:6

Emusan:
Now this is the nitty gritty of the matter.
Watchtower is not part of that 41,000, now answer this.
In Christianity there are over 41,000 sects
Are JWs Christian?
1. Yes
2. I don't know
3. No
4. I decide to keep silent
You're the one who keep shouting YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN YET GOING BACK YARD claiming the same name
So I have hard numerous discussion on doctrines with many people here.
You follow me to Deeper Life before that's why you know it's my church
Just the way the right thinking members of JWs against Russell and Rutherford then when their prophecies failed
Emotional cry again....
Can you show me where I Emusan malign Catholic church.
Devil false witness

No dodge this question nah!

If you truly believe that the WATCHTOWER is part of you people then why singling out only this organization when there are over 41,000 all contradicting themselves?

Emusan:
John was not there when The Word was With God in eternity before creation and that was past event.

How can the one who has been in eternity be rightly called the "firstborn of all creations"? Colossians 1:15
Common sense should tell that the firstborn can't be excluded from the rest of creations because it's part of it.
No wonder Jesus said to Mary Magdalene:

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Jesus was created in the beginning of creation {Proverb 8:22} only God has no beginning!

Mikee19:
@MaxInDHouse no shade intended. I just genuinely feel that way sometimes. But thank God for the Holy Spirit who does his work!

Blessed are those that rejoice and appreciate the fine WORKS of God's Holy Spirit!

OkCornel:
He’s a liar, he claims only Nigerian and African migrants believe in Jesus Christ.
Europeans too believe in Jesus Christ, attend church and are involved in evangelism.
Another joke from mindhacker, the ultimate clown in the multiverse.

NO! He meant to say misinformed Churchgoers and religionists disturbing the streets with noice either claiming they're preaching for Jesus or Muslims crying out in their mosques.
Africans aren't real believers just like the rest of the world but for the fact that our people believe in gods coming to solve their problems in past is exactly what they carry over into those foreign religions not that they truly have faith in God.
Most white men think of what is working out BENEFITS in their society generally but the gullible and greedy African expects his own god to solve personal probles only which could have been half solved if their society is working with good policies! That's why it seems as if they're advancing while Africans are retrogressing stealing from their own people and still taking it to developed countries to make life sweeter there!

But that has nothing to do with real faith in God. Faith in God becomes evident when the people live peacefully without having to raise weapons against their neighbours! Isaiah 2:2-4

So no matter the seeming progress in any nation once they're not living peacefully among themselves without threat to life God is angry with them. God sent Jonah to Nineveh the world's most advanced nation back then, was it due to the poor condition of their city?
NO! Nineveh had the best of everything but the people promote all the disgusting things that God hates!

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel
I'm based in a developed country where only Nigerians and some African immigrants are the ones still believing in Jesus Christ as they have been brainwashed just like yourself.

No wonder you can't reason well simply because you live in the midst of pagans.
You should have thought of what people living in developed countries like Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome believed back then when Israelites worship a God they believe to be the most high!

Ọmọ cut the crap, this matter has nothing to do with development joh!

johnw47:
job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


oh duh, lost false jw mad max

does the verse say, In the beginning "is" the Word
does it say, and the Word "is" with God
no to both
then why should it say, and the Word "is" God

Joh 1:1  In the beginning "was" the Word, and the Word "was" with God, and the Word "was" God. 

"was god" is used because it's all about the past:

In the beginning < past tense
was the Word <past tense
and the Word was with God < past tense
and the Word was God <past tense

"was" "was" "was" is correct grammar oh most dum one


if "is" were to be used instead of "was" it would make no diffrence to the truth of the matter:

In the beginning "is" the Word, and the Word "is" with God, and the Word "is" God

however it's not correct grammar

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

Why not go straight ahead by putting it word for word?

In the beginning WAS Jesus and Jesus WAS with God and Jesus WAS God.

Then come back with your stupid trinity nonsense to convince right thinking persons that the person WITH God is the same God!

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS:
~a god
~godlike
~divine all makes sense but the word was God sounds really hilarious!

So if you want to keep that nonsense no wahala Jesus has clarified issues by saying we should observe the FRUIT of each religion. Matthew 7:16-18

Go out there and boast of the fruit of your religion as noticeable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

You stupid Deeperlifer!

Wilgrea7:
The pleasure is mine Sir

I have a feeling it's time to let go of the unending argument.
But know today that if God say they shouldn't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil then it simply means setting standards for good and evil for others is not what man can do rather it belongs only to God who said they're not to eat from it.
All of us can testify to it today as there's no place on planet earth that's peaceful despite the fact that 90% of Earth's inhabitants wants peace. So what is the problem?

POLITICS ~ tree of knowledge of good and evil!

cornelboy:
Your defended the trinity dogma with your life but your later said you don't believe in the trinity
Which kind wahala be that

The day i stopped trying to reason with him was when he failed to answer a simple question.

He's always arguing against JWs and the GB, if anyone comes around to say the GB are Satan's agents he will quickly join and start typing nonsense to support them.
So i asked him a very simple and straightforward question:

"Do you worship the same God with the organization of WATCHTOWER?"

My brother i was really surprised that this guy couldn't respond with a YES or NO answer but began to dodge the answer while all his cohorts responded with a resounding "NO" since they all believe the organization is worshiping the devil.
But Acholardey couldn't answer o instead he was quoting scriptures out of context saying his answer should be found in the quoted scriptures. But when he ask you any question he will start demanding a YES or NO answer.

That's the day i discovered that he's a madman and i never took him serious again.
Do you notice i don't respond to his madness?

Well it's because he's just beating about the bush.
For your information he's still attending meetings regularly with JWs, this are the type of Satan's agents mixing up with us in the congregations {1John 2:18-19} they hide within the congregations so whenever there is trouble like our brothers have in Russia such ones will be telling the police how to hunt JWs.

That's how the police often trail our brothers as if those policemen are using magic it's the handiworks of false brothers like this one! 2Corinthians 11:26

May JEHOVAH protect and watch over us!

Mikee19:
Here you are, MaxInDHouse, telling Jokerman, that he ought to be RELYING on what he himself read in the Bible by himself, over what his sect teaches him. This means that what he reads himself from the Bible is RELIABLE (abi isn't that from where we get the word "rely"?). In order words, Jokerman can get RELIABLE INFORMATION all by himself without needing his "sect's" help. This means you're really saying that Jokerman can look at the Bible, all by himself, and correctly and reliably know what it is saying, with help from NO-ONE! Abi i don't understand English again ni? If this isn't what MaxInDHouse is saying, and i got it wrong, pls nairalanders help me!
Now I know u are a very intelligent person. You were the best undercover CIA agent in the whole world! I'm sure you do not think Jokerman is more brilliant and you, do you? Why is Jokerman the only person who can by himself look at the Bible and get RELIABLE INFORMATION (= rely on what he reads himself), without any sort of external help, and you as brilliant as you are CANNOT? Why are JWs suddenly too dull to do what ordinary Jokerman is capable of? Why can they suddenly not get reliable information like him? What, by your own admission, he can do quite capably without help from no-one, you suddenly need the "apostles of your day" in the persons of the GB (who by the way are themselves uninspired), to now begin doing for you? Are you admitting that JWs are the dullest of the dull of this whole world?
Yet with all this you won't see the folly of your ways...
Check this out:
What does this verse mean? Does it mean that they are to CRUCIFY Apelles? Or that they should flog the family members of Aristobulus?
NO! You read that verse and you know EXACTLY what it means! You don't need anybody to explain it for you! You are quite capable of seeing that Paul is just asking them to say hello to those ppl for him!
Or:
Does this verse mean that Philologus is the messiah? Or that Olympas is a theology one must study to get eternal life?
Again, NO! You read that verse you know EXACTLY what it means! You need nobody to explain it to you because you aren't that dull (unless you really are )

I love the way you expatiate on what you think on this matter and permit me to say you really demonstrate how a liberal individual perceive things but it's a pity that this case totally differs from liberalism rather there is nothing like self reliability in knowing what God's word says. Think of it: if each person can just pick up the Bible, read and understand certain truth all by himself do you think Jesus will tell his disciples that they will be guided by a spirit? {John 14:26} the answer is NO! Again if after they've been guided by the spirit this same will apply to all others after them do you think Jesus will say they should go and TEACH baptized Christians? {Matthew 28:20} once again the answer is NO!
So why must all those connected to Jesus rely on the understanding of those that are closest to him? Jesus explains that the tree was planted by his father {John 15:1} his closest confidants are the branches {John 15:6} so each member of the family will have to continue relying on others in the family just like an organization that is in order! Hebrews 10:24-25
Of course all the religious groups will claim they have that Holy Spirit so Jesus didn't leave us in the dark as to distinguish between the group having God's Holy Spirit and those that doesn't. He said there will be a kind of unique peace in the gathering of those having the backing of God's Holy Spirit! John 14:27
So when Satan keeps blurring the senses of all the inhabitants of the earth {2Corinthians 4:4} so that they are fighting and killings their own neighbours justifying such killings due to racism and politics {Revelations 6:3-4} there will be this unusual PEACE permeating the gathering of Jesus' real disciples {Isaiah 2:4} WHY? Because the Holy Spirit was dispensed by the one and only true God {Zechariah 4:6} in the name of Christ Jesus {John 14:26} who is the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6
That's why Jesus confidently said [b]"by their FRUITS you will know them"[b] because only the group having the backing of God's Holy Spirit can escape Satan's spiritual missile sent to make people throughout the world raise weapons against their neighbours! Matthew 7:16-18

Mikee19:
You realize that these things are LETTERS? That's why you see such things are greetings like these inside them! When someone writes you a letter, do you run around looking for someone else to explain and interpret the letter to you? NO! You read the letter, you know EXACTLY what it means! This is how it is with ANY letter! You know this! Why then must it be different with these too? They are just LETTERS! And you can read and understand what a letter is saying!
I just demonstrated this to you with these few verses from those letters up there. You can read and understand perfectly that Paul is just asking them to greet other ppl, you cannot think otherwise! Why then does this same intelligence suddenly disappear when it comes to other parts of THE SAME LETTERS? You suddenly become unintelligent, and cannot understand again, and must have someone else interpret them for you. This is FOOLISHNESS! A letter can contain any topic at all in the world, football, science, cooking, anything! These merely happen to contain God's thoughts, yet THEY ARE STILL LETTERS regardless! If u can understand Paul's greeting, you are not so dumb not to understand the rest of the letter too! It remains a LETTER written like any other that you read normally and understand!
When Paul wrote his letters, he didn't have to go and personally hand-deliver the letters by himself to the churches just so that he can tell them the meaning of what he wrote na! They will get the letter, read it, and understand it ALL BY THEMSELVES, sometimes even with Paul in prison! He DID NOT have to be there! Even the other apostles too weren't there cos they weren't sent to the Gentiles like Paul was! So which apostle will now interpret it for them? No-one! They will understand it BY THEMSELVES just as you understand a letter written to you!

You missed the import of God's word on this issue of Paul's letter Sir!
How? Paul himself emphasized that even the letters aren't supposed to be read and understood like simple letters. The spirit of unionism must play it's part otherwise none of you will get the sense of what is written in those letters! 2Corinthians 3:6
That's why he always encourage fellow believers to do things together {Colossians 4:16} just as Jesus Christ also insisted we do when handling sacred secrets! Matthew 18:20
Note that Jesus taught his followers to go into their secret rooms when praying for personal needs because each person differs in what we feel as need {Matthew 6:6} but in the case of handling sacred service they need that spirit sent in Jesus' name {John 14:26} to guide them as a group in order for them to understand the message! Matthew 18:20

Mikee19:
You claiming the GB stand in the apostles place is nonsense. They aren't anointed, and the apostles never did the work of interpretation of their own letters they wrote. They expected any normal human being to be able to read and understand a LETTER! And you can too; if Jokerman can do it so can you! Your GB are a fraud. You DO NOT need them to understand "scriptural letters", u can understand them on your own!

Just as Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Kumuyi, Olukoya, Okotie, TB Joshua, Oritsejafor and many others decided to read it on their own and later created contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in the society {Luke 11:23} all in the name of Jesus who prayed to his father for oneness in thought among his present and future disciples {John 17:20-23} shey?

Ọmọ that is a lie nah!
If Kumuyi condemned makeup and jewelries for women in the name of Jesus Christ but others approved it (including trousers) in the name of the same Jesus Christ surely they have all missed the road! 1Corinthians 14:33

I'm not doing this to convince you but to prove to you that God's word is not for each individual to read and understand even when talking about the group of people living in Beroea Paul said they went back to discuss within themselves to be certain that what the Apostles sent to them are truly from the true God!

Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas to Be·roeʹa. On arriving, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Act 17:10-11

Do you notice that those who received the letters from the Apostles went into the synagogue instead of into their individual homes? well that's because they read the letter and reason together in the synagogues before concluding it is from the true God! Act 17:12

So my friend God's word is not to be read alone but we need the guidance of a group of anointed brothers of Christ to dispense the spiritual food for us in this last days.
Sorry that's what Jesus of Nazareth said:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

Jesus confirmed he will appoint such a group as overseers over his earthly subjects:

"Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings" Matthew 24:46-47

That's why you're seeing a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} subjecting themselves to these few men that Jesus appointed as his representatives on planet earth! Luke 12:32

May you have PEACE! 2Corinthians 13:14

Tunechi5:
Asalamalekun brethren I have never read the Quran before ,wanna know Islam stand on terrorism

To be candid Islam has nothing to say than what anyone feels is good but adherents are to fight with the last drop of their blood in support of Islam.
So don't expect anything tangible from them otherwise than their usual rite that all.

Janosky:
Ellicott the Trinitarian scholar (screenshot) reset that kiddo mumu.
He go copy rubbish for apostate forum dey expose his foolishness.

That girl can lie for Africa!

She changed her profile to male simply because i quoted Paul's letter telling her that females are to remain silent in the congregation. So i only poke her bubbles of lies whenever i feel that's needed.

Let her continue agitating, at least Churchgoers go marry her with her Nightmare!

Janosky:
10:47pm On Jul 05
Janosky:
Ordeh!!!
Bible Student channel online (with Freemason symbols cross & crown) is NOT IBSA or Jehovah's witnesses"
---------_--------__--------_-------------------------------------Courz,PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, is your Bible Student channel online & Internationalbiblestudents.com ( both with Freemason symbols) link their website to JW.ORG?
Capital NO !!!!!!
In your Screenshot,Is IBSA Charity link to JW.ORG?
Capital YES !!
Bible Student channel online & Internationalbiblestudents.com ( both with Freemason symbols) is NOT JWs IBSA Charity in Great Britain.
---------_--------__--------_-------------------------------------Courz PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, YOUR CURSE FALL ON YOUR DELUDED HEAD IN JESUS NAME,AMEN !!!!!!
Courz PATHOLOGICAL LIAR !!!!

I don't have time arguing with oteneaaron (Courz) he is a confirmed atheist but using the Courz account to gather stupid Churchgoers to support him against JWs.

Search and see how many arguments Courz has had on this forum about Jesus Christ apart from whatever has to do with JWs.

In fact he started a thread only to call me out as if i'm the only person talking about Jesus on this forum yet when he comes into other threads he only support arguments against JWs instead of being consistent about his claim that Jesus never existed.

He may continue denying it but nobody can convince me that both accounts oteneaaron and Courz doesn't belong to the same person!

Emusan:
Your demonic organization is part of that 41,000 sects don't forget.

LIAR!
If you truly believe that the WATCHTOWER is part of you people then why singling out only this organization when there are over 41,000 all contradicting themselves?

As in why not complain about others?

Your church Deeperlife is well known for the segregation Kumuyi has been creating for decades, that's why right thinking members of your church are now against Kumuyi for trying to change what he has been teaching them all these while as if only his followers are going to heaven! Now Kumuyi is inviting men and women from other churches to minister in Deeperlife which he has not been doing before!
Stop deceiving yourselves, WATCHTOWER stands out that's the reason for all these criticism and nothing more.
You've been using this account to malign the Catholic Church yet you want to claim they are your fellow Christians but when JWs say what is wrong in Catholic church you will carry that in your head as if you've not been doing the same thing against Catholics here!

AgirlsNightmAre:
Go and check the original Greek of that passage the correct word is "in" not "union".
"Union" is a paraphrase not a translation
Away from that how is that passage connected with ORGANIZATION?

When Jesus said: "I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 what does that mean?

And when he said: "I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:22 what does that mean?

Well let me assist you, the WATCHTOWER said it means UNION as in oneness in thought like ORGANIZED.
But please tell me what you think about it!

Emusan:
In his last paragraph, he said "Moses was God to Pharaoh"
Do you believe Jesus was God to JWs?

Any Pharaoh back then was God over all those in his kingdom according to Egyptian Culture, he can send anyone to death and also free anyone sentenced to death! Genesis 40:21-22

So when JEHOVAH said he made Moses God to Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} it simply means Pharaoh will always seek Moses's face for favour over his land!

That's exactly what Jesus became when he walked the earth as all the gods (demons) on the planet take orders from Jesus, but Jesus WAS! WAS!! WAS!!! God like Moses not to be worshiped by anyone rather he himself told us who we should direct our worship to! John 20:17

So Jesus is not our God rather he served as God at a point in time PAST just the same way Moses served as God that's why John 1:1 used the PAST tense WAS God not IS God!

Emusan:
Lol....is it today you've been examining the difference between Watchtower demonic organization and Christianity?

I can see the positive results as your god's active force told you I'm OLAADEGBU and johnw47

OLAADEGBU!

Positive result is what the whole world is seeing Sir {Matthew 5:14-16} not what you are arguing with MaxInDHouse on Nairaland!

And Jesus never commissioned a religion where 41,000 different sects will be claiming they're all his followers yet having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines otherwise he won't pray to his father for his followers to have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} so stop deceiving yourself there is nothing called Christians where you don't have the same line of thought with others!

Mikee19:
At least you're honest

So can you also be honest by telling me who are those that taught you what you think you believe today?
Or are you ashame of your teachers?
Perhaps you can't point to anything worthwhile they've been doing relating to the Good News of God's Kingdom like the GB of JWs have performed excellently throughout the earth!

Thanks for your time!

Wilgrea7:
I think I understand now. So basically, our wants, not needs, sometimes cloud our compassion. I can agree with that

While I don't necessarily think wants are a bad thing, i can see how, when taken to the extreme, like in the case of greed, can be bad for people.




I wouldn't exactly say gravity is real because it works for our benefits .. Someone who falls off a building doesn't exactly have gravity working in their favor.

I think when it comes to things we can't perceive with our 5 basic senses, we can verify if that thing exists based on the measurable effect it has on the things we can actually perceive.

For example, gravity exerts a force on all objects in space. So we know it exists.



I think truth is something that exists irrespective of how it makes us feel. A child would probably feel sad if they knew Santa or the tooth fairy weren't real. But that doesn't change reality.

But what i do agree on, is that knowing and accepting the truth, whatever it may be, can be beneficial, because it'll help us work with reality, rather than against it.



I agree that if someone is hellbent on stroking their own ego, they'll be more likely to deny the truth if it goes contrary to what they believe.



I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation here. If i recall correctly, they weren't told that eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil would make them set standards for it.

If anything, eating the fruit would've only exposed them to the standards of good and evil already set by the God of the bible.




The effects of those things ARE the evidence. Saying something exists and saying we know the nature of that thing are 2 different statements.

For example, we all know gravity exists, based on the movements of objects relative to each other in space.

But if i told you gravity had a shape, or it had dimensions, or other things like that. That would be an entirely different discussion, and every single one of those points would need proof.

Upon observation of the universe, we can agree that we had a cause. Probably a conscious one, or an intelligent one. But that's as far as we can induce from our observation.

Saying that whatever this cause was, was a GOD, singular, who has X or Y attributes is also another different discussion, which requires proof for its claims.




I think I get your point. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But basically, you're saying that our only sense of an objective morality, can only come from a supreme being.

While it's a good point, I have a couple of problems with it. For example

1. We've not identified this alleged supreme being. We have a couple of people claiming the title, but then again, we don't know if the title really even exists.

2. Saying that good and bad depend on higher being is also very tricky. Because if the alleged higher being says murder is right, then it would be right. No questions asked. That's a possibility we need to be ready to tackle too.

3. Supreme, or higher, may not necessarily always mean good. Parents are superior to their children, but we still have bad parents in the world today. Similarly, just because a being is higher than us, doesn't necessarily mean their moral compass is better. It's a possibility, but certainly not a necessity.

cornelboy:
Brainwashed Roman Catholic trinitarian zombie
You've been programmed to believe that 1+1+1=1
That's the highest level of brainwashing I have seen in my life

If your not a JW, what denomination do you belong then?
And what are your beliefs

Anyone who disagree with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is on the other road!

Their leaders taught contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines they can't defend efficiently unlike our own teacher who taught us with authority {Matthew 7:28-29} so all what they want to tell one another is "respect what my teacher taught me even though it contradicts what your teacher taught you, we are brothers in the lord"
Please who is that kind of lord they're calling upon if not the other guy? 2Corinthians 4:4

That's why they can all see the one and only group where all members must follow just one lane! Matthew 7:13-14 compare to John 17:22

cornelboy:
Do you have the reasoning of your own or you believe in the pagan doctrines of the Roman Catholics?
Like did Jesus and the early apostles filled with the holy spirit teach or believe in the trinity?
Your like robots in the hands of the Roman Catholics
Here's the simple questions I asked in my previous post;
Where did KJV get their 1 John 5 verse 7 from?

The problem with most pagans claiming Christians is that they don't think deeply before talking. Throughout the world the one and only group practicing what Jesus laid down is the WATCHTOWER.

Jesus taught his followers and sent them to go and meet people in their individual abode!
WHY?
Because only fully competent and completely equipped students can reason confidently with others as they preach and teach what their teacher taught them.
Before Jesus of Nazareth all the prophets sent to God's people do is shouting in the streets because their audience already know all the laws of the God they're talking about so it's a matter of whether you're ready to live by the laws or not.
But when Jesus arrived he set commissioned house to house preaching and teaching because he's preparing his disciples for the work both in Israel and outside Israel as in to the most distant part of the earth where most people don't even know the laws of the God of Israel! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

So if a religionist whose religion doesn't teach him to go and face people in their homes where questions will be asked now look at JWs and say "they are robots" please do you think such a person know the meaning of ROBOT?
Robots can't competently defend faith without it's teacher around like true Christians does but then everyone will know that this must be a student of skilled teachers! Act 4:13

They only go to streets {Matthew 12:19} spewing gibberish the Roman Catholic infused in their heads "Hell is real, Heaven is real" but can they stand before scrutiny? Well they can't that's why they're baffled seeing JWs competently preaching and teaching with zeal about what Jesus ordered us to teach: God's Kingdom! Luke 4:43

So who are those soldiers working with the Christ {Psalms 110:3} without physical weapons but using spiritual sword? Luke 22:36 compare to Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

Please a round of applause for the one and only organization that has successfully gathered millions of people throughout the world and made them zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word without material gain but love for God! Matthew 6:19-33

Is it not the same kinds of people living in their midst that the WATCHTOWER has taught and equipped to be effective disciples of Christ?
YES, let them continue sinning against God's Holy Spirit that's producing the fruitage of FAITH in the midst of imperfect humans globally, Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to be rebels like them arguing bitterly against orderliness but we chose not to.
WHY? Because we have conscience we don't want to sin against God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 12:31-32

AgirlsNightmAre:
Organized religion na major scam

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

Surely the man who said this word above need to explain what he had in mind if not ORGANIZED RELIGION!

Mikee19:
Ain't this lovely!
When it is about others, they must look to the word itself and not what their sect teaches, but when it's your own turn, no problem, it no longer applies, you must look at fruit leaving that one alone. You're above and beyond what your require of others. Beautiful!

I aren't denying that it's whatever the GB teaches that all members of Watchtower must dance to. Remember that it's whatever Christ teaches that all Christians must dance to and Jesus himself said his Apostles are serving as branches so nobody can connect to Jesus without his Apostles! John 15:1-6

We believe that the GB serves as our own Apostles today as they interprets what their first century brothers penned down.
So whether they're right or wrong nobody can know that's why Jesus said:

The product of each religion will prove whether those overseeing it are working with God's Holy Spirit. Matthew 7:18

So instead of arguing blindly over what you and i read in the Bible why not concentrate on which group is producing the fruitage of FAITH? Remember it's the same kind of people throughout the world that each religion is teaching so watch out for the product of each religion. That's what Jesus Christ said, if truly you believe in his word!

GoodIsGod:
Best network of evangelizers in world teaching heresies upadan. Seeing themselves as the only righteous. And of course the 144,000 going to heaven are only from them.
Clowns
Pls don't make laugh with your day dreaming.

Below is what Jesus meant to establish on this planet, please tell me the organization or group that's meeting up with this because Jesus said:

"A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit". Matthew 7:18

How laughable are all those not meeting up with this yet arguing with the one and only group doing God's will on planet earth today? Matthew 7:21-23

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
[1] When Jesus commanded his disciples to go out there and make disciples he actually set the pace for making disciples which is going from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} this will make it really difficult for any of his followers to be a thug or trouble maker in the society {1Peter 2:12} that's why you can't remember JWs being protesters or thugs in our society today!

[2] Jesus taught his followers to stay away from politics because that's the only excuse people make for justifying innocent people {John 15:19; 17:14} so when racism leads to fighting and killings in the society where all other religions are involved JWs are neutral!

[3] Jesus taught his followers not to revenge but wait for God's Kingdom to set matters straight {Matthew 5:39-42} that's why JWs won't support anyone who wants to revenge no matter what happens we sue for peace! Matthew 26:52

[4] Jesus insisted that his followers must love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} but in the midst of his disciples they must love fellow believers much more. How? Just as he loves them! John 13:34-35; 15:12-13
This makes JWs preaching and teaching in all our neighbourhood hoping to help us and as for love among JWs even the whole world know that JWs love their fellow believers!

[5] Jesus taught and prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought on sacred matters {John 17:22} only JWs are known globally for having a unique teaching so no matter where you go on this planet you will recognize a JW by their oneness!

[6] The reason why God sent Jesus is to make a global family of peace loving worshipers with his wonderful counsel {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Isaiah 9:6} so after preaching and teaching his ideas must be taken round the globe and what will be the expected result?
People from different races throughout the world will come together under one umbrella, they will use God's word (not politics) to make rules within themselves, they will resolve all their racial disparities, they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will stop producing weapons and vowed never to learn war anymore! Micah 4:1-3

So despite the fact that the Watchtower has gathered sinners (imperfect humans) from all the nations of the earth and we know them in our neighborhood that they're just people like all of us, something like a spirit has help them to produce all the aforementioned just as Jesus Christ promised saying:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

YES! Despite being imperfect like all of us this group has achieved a lot with the same kinds of people you can find in different geographical locations on this planet.

Surely no false religion can produce such fine WORKS! James 2:18-26

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

GoodIsGod:
When you people want to argue do it with the King James version. That was what you were using before the New World version that you have changed many things to sooth your funny beliefs.

You have doctored the Bible and made it to conform with the Watchtower doctrines.
You are fraudulent.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, fraudulent yet able to produce the best network of evangelizers in the world!
It reminds me of the word of a first century wise Jew:

"A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit". Matthew 7:18

Mikee19:
You know, this sounds very familiar. Maybe because this is exactly what JW do, relying on the governing body to tell them what to believe, not God's word itself. You can actually call out ppl for doing what you yourself admit to doing? Nice...

By their FRUITS you will know them! Matthew 7:16

The product of each religion will speak for those overseeing them! Luke 7:35 compare to Matthew 7:17-18