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Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38

Before Jesus Christ of Nazareth all faithful servants of God were looking forward to seeing the Messiah (Christ) in action! Luke 2:25-38

But by the time Jesus grew up and got baptized God fulfilled His word by announcing Jesus as the Messiah (Christ) so right from that moment any servant of God no matter how precious such a person is before God must live his life in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ because according to God's word no human can redeem another {Psalms 49:7-9} so whoever failed to live by the teachings of the Christ with faith that God will grant such a person everlasting life for believe in the Christ all his former righteous deeds will be cancelled for failure to exercise FAITH in God's only begotten Son {John 3:18} hence God declared saying:

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him" Hebrews 10:38

So he shouldn't be PROUD of his works according to the laws {Habakkuk 2:4} all his works according to the law will be cancelled if he fails to live by FAITH in Christ Jesus! Luke 18:18-23


May you have PEACE!

absoluteSuccess:
Amen my funny brother.
Jesus is going to do the final killing while you help him carry the weapon around. 1914 is about 108 years ago, Jesus only appeared to brother Russell and not to everyone else.
Oh, his coming was parochial.
He already came and will be taking over. Apologies, tell me more brother.

When Jesus first came to the earth everyone knew him to be Joseph's son born by Mary, learned carpentry had four brothers: James, Judas, Simon and Junior (Joseph's name sake) and he also had sisters, but by the time he became the Christ after his baptism the world knew him not. So after his death, resurrection and ascension to heaven the angel that appeared to his disciples said:

“Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.” Act 1:11

Jesus was known by all those living around him but the Christ is only recognized by few people {Matthew 16:13-17} and during his ascension to heaven only his friends knew that the Christ is risen from the death and he has left the earth! Therefore when he comes to take away his born again brothers only those who are paying rapt attention to what the scriptures says will be aware. That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses known back then as the International Bible Students Association who were seriously studying the scriptures with all honesty and sincerity in the 20 century knew he's around!

When he comes back for vengeance it's angels that will follow him to kill all enemies of Godly peace {Matthew 25:31; Luke 19:27; Revelations 19:14} but as for JWs like me we must hold our peace to see the salvation of our God {Exodus 14:14} that's what Jesus is saying now in the spirit realms but you people aren't willing to obey God's only begotten Son! Isaiah 30:15

absoluteSuccess:
Haven't I drawn you out? Jehovah witness did not come before America. They came much afterwards.

Let's say that the founding fathers stayed back in Europe and didn't disturb the peace of red Indians who were humans too, then nobody would have checked the excesses of the Apex civilization of the new world and it's oppression of the weaker tribes for ages before Colombus.

Then the declaration of Independence followed the rebellion of the colonists against the English throne starting with the members of the Boston tea party. "We owe it to the inalienable truth, that all men were created equal", so declared the brave men on whose lap history fell at that point in time.

In all this, people took decisions. It's out of that decision that freedom came, not before it. If the people who fled from persecution didn't, and the rebellion of the Boston tea party wasn't, would there be America and freedom of this and that in extension? Then there won't have been a fertile ground for JW.

And you did have a problem

If America is all Jehovah witness country, would they compel the rest of the world becomes Jehovah witness before dealing with them? Meaning everyone can't be your religion. Hence some will in their "non-American country" drag political power with people who are not in their religion as won't jw.

And congratulations that you are not the same with us and sorry were you are not known as a different religion than Christians, much needed to be done in the area of sensitisation all around the world. However, when your religion was coming up, did it began with full fledged doctrines that still abide till date?

So, which is false which is the original doctrine? Is that to say God has improved? So why call yours the original Christian when it's not the first and equally proned to change? Why don't you come up with a new Messiah and a different religion altogether to be totally different?

Your partial difference is your problem.

At the bolded, the Christians has been disturbing people with noise, now the Muslims have been invading churches. You are okay with that as payback because you already are prepared for Islamic laws. You are not okay with Christian clergy calling the Christian to defend themselves.

Yet you are not like the Christian who called Jesus and carry the same Bible as you do, but you are okay that they be dealt with harder than they did for condemning others, whereas you want the condemners to know you are not one of them.

I thought you admire freedom of speech and religious affiliations, is killing some sort of dialogue or extension of the same freedom?

NB:

It's not freedom of speech that makes for America's save haven but the labour of the Americans, the military power was not for anything other than defense. The Pentagon is not an institution defending freedom of speech.

The real freedom intended in America is that you won't be oppressed for what you hold to be truth as long as you don't physically attack others. The state is therefore secular, it's not interfering in your piety.

Funny Churchgoer!

The true God is solidly behind America because they opened the door for pure worship to flourish, America never knew that they are indirectly working for God.

Know today that if not for America no religion apart from those that have fought to stand on their own, forget it world domination will only be between just six religions, all these pentecostal whatever you're calling it can't have their way because the Catholics, Anglicans and few other orthodox churches won't allow you people to operate at all.

It's due to America's declaration of freedom of speech,expression,worship and association that opened the way for all of you to protest and leave the Catholic Church. That's how pure worship got her freedom and began digging deep to unfold all the secrets of the Catholic Church with all her heresies.

So Jehovah's Witnesses is the one and only organization that's practicing what Jesus taught all of you are killers thinking you're protecting yourselves whereas Jesus warned his own followers that when the end comes killings will be everywhere {Matthew 24:7-8 compare to Revelations 6:3-4} but we true Christians mustn't partake in any form of killing.
That's why Jesus told us to always love our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} otherwise we will all become killers just as Satan planned when he initiated his own agents among Jesus' group back in the first century {Matthew 13:25} so when Jesus comes with the angels in heaven to kill all those spilling innocent blood on the planet {Revelations 11:18} nobody will be free from blood guilt! Matthew 24:22 compare to Revelations 6:3-4

All these things has been prophesied in God's word but only Jehovah's Witnesses wake up because when Jesus returned in 1914 that's the only organization that welcome him with spiritual listening ears to readjust their beliefs, all others are in the dark spiritually.

Prove me wrong by using Jesus' own words to say what i'm analysing is not the truth. All of you including the so called Muslims have become killers one way or another {Revelations 17:5-6} except JWs who have stood out completely from Satan's political system {Revelations 18:4} none of you along with all your religious leaders can escape been killers under Satan's system! 1John 5:19

So God used America to free His people in order for us to round up the final harvest work as we preach zealously and industriously teach all nations to fish out all those who are ready to bow to the orders of Jesus Christ {Matthew 28:19-20} the PRINCE of PEACE! Isaiah 9:6

May you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
Lol. The joke is absolutely lost on you
Supposing bros Samson was busy slaughtering soldiers with just a jawbone and u r one of the soldiers witnessing it, won't you turn around and flee? I mean this guy was busy killing guys and all of them just lined up on a queue waiting for their turn to get killed. Hahahahaha
Then Balaam abi Balaak heard his donkey talk and he behaved like its a regular stuff he sees everyday, and was busy going back and forth with bro donkey. That's regular Shrek shit right there
Anyone that believes Bible stories is a grade A retard. Simples

My friend those been killed by Samson weren't on a queue nah!

They were fighting to get rid of this man from Israel who has conquered their champions and dominating them. So don't think they just line up to be slaughtered. Haba!

The other man who responded to his donkey did so out of frustration!

Going by the story he was a wizard so speaking with strange things is nothing to him but this time around his on a mission fully paid for only for his donkey who has always been there for him to stop and refused to move forward. So out of frustration he was hitting the donkey so hard like if it's possible to kill this good for nothing animal. When he heard the donkey spoke he couldn't think anything right at the moment than to tell the beast who has been his friend all times why he's now beating it so hard.

It's like you're reasoning from the perspective of a person who has never experienced spirit forces in action but it's OK i believe our minds are driven by the things we have witnessed before.

Jesus will not come and speak with you for you to believe in him but i know you will still experience the supernatural forces sooner or later in life then you will have serious questions to ask your fellow atheists about the SUPERNATURALS!

I am an ex soldier who strongly believe in physical weapons but have a lot of experience where physical weapons failed and we were astounded at what we saw. So i'm sure you will still experience something of that nature then you will remember me!

absoluteSuccess:
"Be of good cheers, for I have conquered the world". As Christians, avoid going into captivity for Christ sake. This Jehovah witness people are secured in America, don't buy everything you are told to do by them.

Do you know why America is the safest place on this planet as far as religious terrorism is concerned?

Well that's where FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION was declared, no matter what religion you practice even Witchcraft America is a place where you are free to express yourself.

So if your religion has been condemning other religions through your street noisemaking and you weren't cautioned {Matthew 12:19} then be prepared to face the same thing from those who will pay you back in your own coin but harder than yours! Matthew 7:12

For your information JWs can live anywhere without having issues with any other religion because they will set their rules and we will abide by whatever rules they set, so that we can continue our ministry without interfering with their rules. But it's you people that's giving us hard times because you people want to drag worldly political seats with them so they're fighting back unfortunately they don't know that we are different from you people but in Islamic states where they know we are different JWs practice our religion without being attacked by islamists because we are ready to abide by their rules!

jaephoenix:
A book where one man kills 3000 soldiers with only a jawbone? Or where 2,000 people were on a roof of a house? And so many fairy tales. Do they sound real to u? Snow White and the 7 Dwarves sounds more realistic

The truth is that you imagine that those things aren't possible because you haven't seen what spirits can do!

The man who singlehandedly killed thousands with just a jawbone wasn't fighting with human strength rather the most powerful spirit being in the universe is the one fighting through that man's body. 2Kings 19:35
So while those fighting against him can only see one man in their midst all the forces of nature is fighting against them!

And as for those on the roof top are you telling me that with the level of technology today you still doubt that 10,000 people could be assembled comfortably on a story building that's constructed to meet up with the capacity?

Well instead of thinking more about what men of ancient times were able to do with the support of supernatural forces why not look Into what humans have achieved that's similar today due to advancement in technology?

A soldier with a machine gun can kill over 10,000 people within just one day so if the Bible says Samson was able to kill 3,000 with a jawbone think of what the supernatural can turn that jawbone to while those around can only see one man with a jawbone!

Have you noticed what technology has brought to mankind?
We now watch what is happening thousands of miles away even millions of miles away on the moon while sitting in our homes. So if the Bible says a prophet in ancient times saw something like a plasma TV on his wall where he's watching what's happening in the temple hundreds of miles away know that the supernaturals already know the things mankind will still discover on this planet because they know everything on it, it's man that's slow in discovering all these things!

butterfly777:
We should flee our country for the enemies to take over? Read your Bible well sir.

Christians don't have any country!

We worship in spirit and truth {John 4:24} the ministry is paramount in our lives not the material possessions we gained in this world {Luke 18:18-23} that's why Jesus commanded us not to think of acquiring riches because it will hinder us from living our lives without having to always rely on protecting material possessions! Matthew 6: 19-21

butterfly777:
I suspect you are a Muslim trying to mislead or confuse christians.

Do you truthfully believe (trust) in Jesus Christ of Nazareth? John 3:16

Well i'm only trying to REASON with you going by what Jesus himself said {Matthew 15:8} so if you think you're wiser than the world's most wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} of all time it's OK but please please please don't speak against Jesus' orders it's a sin!

butterfly777:
You are mixing things up, sir.
1. Not all Jesus' disciples were from Jerusalem or Jews.
2. The fight we are talking about is the fight against them as christians, not against the land. ( Of course, christians)

What Jesus said there is simple and straightforward.

If those ruling over your territory maintained law and order then you can continue with the ministry but when they fail don't pick up weapons to fight for anything because anywhere you go is your home not necessarily where you are born.

That's the order.
So if the Nigerian government can maintain the laws they made for us then we as Christians can continue our ministry but if not then it's either we flee or fight, so if Jesus said we must not settle matters with the sword (weapons) then we have no other options than to FLEE!

compton11:
first of all,I'm not atheist.
Cage?
The same cage the people that brought Christianity to y'all put our ancestors in the name of that same Christianity.

Whoever believe in supernaturals shouldn't be referred to as atheist, however true Christianity came to Africa in the early twentieth century not with guns or politics!

butterfly777:
Jesus did not tell them to flee their home oo. He told them to leave the societies they go to preach who are hostile to their preaching. They are not to flee their places of abode.

JERUSALEM is the home of Jews and this is what Jesus of Nazareth told his own disciples to do when Romans comes to ATTACK their homeland:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her" Luke 21:20-21

This is the directive form Jesus of Nazareth though 99.9% of Jews in the first century don't take him serious because they believe he's not mentally stable {John 10:20} but to his own disciples Jesus commanded them to FLEE their homeland!

Of course he wasn't talking to everyone his orders applies only to those that accepted him as their KING and COMMANDER!

HellVictorinho4:
Can you lend me money?

But must you always do this on the forum?

zoedew:
Reading you one must wonder who owns the device with which you are communicating with www. It is a “worldly possession” for sure!

Do you think the pocket size device can hinder me from leaving the premises where politicians are fighting for?

jaephoenix:
Does the Bible stories sound legit to u?

Perfect!

What Jesus Christ of Nazareth COMMANDED his disciples to do in such a situation is FLEE the territory where you are no longer welcomed! Matthew 10:23

There is just one reason why a Christian may be pressured to pick up weapons and start fighting back: MATERIAL POSSESSIONS! So Jesus has earlier warned his disciples not to think of acquiring much material possessions {Matthew 6:19-28} because if they should their minds will not be focused on the more important thing which is the salvation of both them and even those coming to KILL them! Luke 6:27-28; Romans 12:20

So stop storing treasures on earth so that you may not be tempted into becoming killers like all other men in this time of the end {Revelations 6:3-4} Satan is wiser than most of you think, he knows that if you will not kill for money rituals, nor kill your business partner to gain what you both worked for, nor kill because you want to become king, nor kill over a man or woman, at least you will love to protect your life and possessions. One way or the other Satan just want you to ignore that order: YOU MUST NOT KILL!

Before Jesus faithful servants of God do fight and kill but what exactly were they fighting for? Well it was JERUSALEM where God's temple was built. God's people so much cherish that city that they're prepared to lay down their lives for Jerusalem.
But after Jesus has taught us that worshipers of God shouldn't think of any geographical location as Holy {John 4:23-24} there's no reason for faithful people to fight for any city {Luke 21:20-24} that is why Jesus commanded us to FLEE from zombies who has been brainwashed to fight and die for POLITICIANS while they're thinking it's a fight for God! Matthew 10:23

God bless you and may you have PEACE! 2Corinthians 13:14

zoedew:
The Bible is correctly interpreted when it is set against the background of God’s love for man. The distinction must be made between revenge or vengeance that obtains in interpersonal relationships and instances of personal attacks that warrants the need to defend oneself. In any event, Baba Adeboye has always said that when he speaks from The Pulpit on such matters he is not addressing www but his children in the faith. How that concerns folks who are not his children calls for some questions. Society may as well not take down marauding armed robbers!

Case closed!

There's no reason arguing about what the man is saying if he has said the highlighted first. The Beroeans heard what was preached to them but went back to check it out in the scriptures to be certain of what is being preached to them. Act 17:11

When Jesus of Nazareth said what was recorded in the Bible book of Matthew 5:43-48 he later expatiate further by making his listeners to know why someone may be mounting pressure on you. First of all Satan has filled the minds of majority with thoughts of dominance {Genesis 3:5} everyone wants to dominate his/her fellowman {Ecclesiastes 8:9} but Jesus made it clear to his own disciples that instead of being rulers they should always strive to be subjects {Luke 14:7-11} that's why Jesus' disciples never attempt becoming part of those ruling over others rather they were the lowliest of all men in the first century!

Of course if a man or two men should come to attack your home and you discover that such an attack is not sponsored by politicians then you can find a way to protect yourself and your family, but when it has to do with some people sponsoring such an attack then you have to know the demands of those sending them perhaps it could be met for peaceful coexistence. In all cases organized and planned attacks is the handiwork of politicians who wants to rule over you. So thinking of defense makes no sense because those sending them will continue to send them unless those ruling over your territory maintained their domain by driving away the ones who have come to take over power. Christians are neither on this side or that side when it comes to world politics {John 17:14 compare to John 18:36} Jesus taught his own disciples to pray and look intently at God's Kingdom! Matthew 6:9-10

Today politicians are using different means to seize power from one another and they're using gullible people as fighters to achieve their goal, of course they need to brainwash those fighting for them because nobody will like to be killed for another person to continue living like kings and queens so the brainwashing is necessary. False religion is the strongest tool to brainwash people into becoming zombies who will die for others to rule that's why this killings is attached to religion but the truth is that politicians are behind what is happening in Nigeria.

Now back to what the Baba said. He is not a Christian because Jesus taught his own followers never to acquire material possessions that could hinder them from running away when politicians begin struggling for dominance {Matthew 6:19-28} so if you've acquired so much wealth in this system of things it will be difficult for you to pick few things and flee just as Jesus commanded his own disciples to do whenever politicians are battling for power! Luke 21:20-24

If a Christian can't fight for dominance {Matthew 26:52} and we must not partake in world politics {John 17:14} then we can't accumulate wealth like all other men {Matthew 6:24} otherwise we will ignore Jesus' command and love to keep those material possessions {Matthew 6:24} which has nothing to do with our salvation! Luke 18:18-23

OkCornel:
And where did Jesus Christ ask people to bow down, kiss his feet and worship him?
You need to understand mankind has always made a habit of creating idols out of the truth, rather than obey the truth.
It's not Jesus Christ's fault...put the blame on the idolatrous tendencies in men. They'd rather "worship", than OBEY.

Inside the temple in Jerusalem some Jews were bowing towards the sun and God condemned it does that makes the temple no longer fitting as a place of worship?

Sonmvayina just don't want to reason as long as it has to do with Jesus of Nazareth!

OkCornel:
Downloaded a free copy of the book.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-jesus-the-jews-never-knew-e157846242.html

First redflag. The Author is Frank R Zindler - AN AMERICAN ATHEIST

Somnvayina, I was specifically clear on what I requested. Evidences from JEWISH SCHOLARS AND HISTORIANS unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

Please how does an American Atheist suddenly know the history of the Jews better than all the Jewish scholars and historians?

How does this make sense? Does it make sense for an American man to claim he knows the history of your ancestors better than you?

Critical thinking for goodness sake. Jeez!

He just feel like bringing anybody's personal opinion on the matter even what a pagan from the pit of hell says is ok before sonmvayina as long as it's against Jesus of Nazareth but the eyewitness accounts he wants everyone to discard!

OkCornel:
Mehn, @MaxinDHouse, the funniest thing I've read today is someone discrediting the gospel of Matthew as an eye witness account.
Is Matthew no longer a disciple of Jesus? Or his book no longer counts as eye witness account?
Even John?
Oh well, I'll keep watching the comedy unfold on this thread.

That's not the real joke Sir!

What really makes them clowns is the fact that there's no reason why any human should reason with his neighbour on worship except those adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

So if anyone wants to reason with me on faith but doesn't want to include the one and only historical figure who initiated that idea then on what ground are you speaking with me on the reason of faith?

Who sent you to speak with me?

What is the name of that God who asked you to speak with me?

sonmvayina:
Lol..how dumb can somebody be..
Your choice mate..
Believe whatever you believe..
Whatever grinds your gears..

There's no way you can convert an intelligent person who really wants to worship God.
Because there is no god throughout this planet that ask people to go and convert other people it's only Jesus Christ of Nazareth that commanded his disciples to do so! Matthew 28:19-20

So no matter how much you argue you have made you own personal choice but you can't convince a single person to follow you when there's no order from any god that you must reason the same way except Jesus of Nazareth! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

jaephoenix:
I see self-control is one of the characteristics u listed there. Is it the same God that liaised with Elijah to butcher 32 little boys that called him bald? Or the same God that did these…

Numbers 32:13
So the Lord’s anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the Lord was destroyed

2 Kings 13:3
So the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and He gave them continually into the hand of Hazael king of Aram, and into the hand of Ben-hadad the son of Hazael

2 Kings 17:18
So the Lord was very angry with Israel and removed them from His sight; none was left except the tribe of Judah

In fact the same Bible is littered with instances God killed peeps for flimsy reasons
Hardly can say he's self-controlled

SELF-CONTROL should be viewed from both end!

The God of Israel wants to set a standard for all nations to learn through the nation of Israel {Genesis 12:1-3} that's why He strictly warned them not to go against His orders because they're the main focus that all other nations will look upon as example.

So His decisive action in destroying them serves as WARNING EXAMPLES to any other nation who may like to worship this same God! 1Corinthians 10:11

Remember LOVE is His predominant quality so it's out of love for mankind in general that He is setting standards that will lead us all so we can regain what Adam lost: everlasting life! John 3:16

So He is acting based on the covenant (agreement) He had with that nation which most Bible readers don't read before He took decisive actions against them!

To know what justifies God's action please

READ Deuteronomy 27:9-26

Empiree:
so since Christians are the majority and jw are minority, this means population of Christians in the world is not what we know (2b ppl). The reason is you don't consider them true followers of Jesus and they don't see you as Christians

Has there ever been a time when true faith has more adherents in this world than falsehood?

Remember what happened in the days of Noah! Luke 17:26

There can't be friendship between light and darkness so don't expect true disciples of Christ to have such friendship with those profaning the name of our King by their unfruitful religions! 2Corinthians 6:14

OkCornel:
And the irony of the whole thing is, somnvayina wants us to watch video analysis from so call experts who never lived in that time era (6BC to 33AD) as evidence that Jesus Christ never existed.

At times, I wonder if these clowns really think things through when they want to argue stuff.

They should provide us with evidence(s) of all Jewish historians and scholars UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ. Perhaps these jokers suddenly know the history of Jews better than all Jewish historians and scholars combined

See the clown below this post itching badly for my attention.

Well i've known sonmvayina for long he's just bitter about the economic situation of Africa so he believes it's by going back to our culture that things can change for the better, but he doesn't know how to go about it that's why he's beating about the bush trying to discredit the historicity of Jesus Christ he believes that's the Genesis of Africa's problem!

Empiree:
I asked you to show me a good Christian in Nigeria but you presented a religious sect.

Very well then. Let's see what Christians believe about JW

I believe you have read what Jesus taught and said about his true disciples.

So why are you now returning to what those who aren't PRACTICING what Jesus taught and counting on it as something worthwhile against those practicing what he taught?


Well for your information, Jesus himself said that Satan's agents will also claim they are Christians {Matthew 7:21-23} so instead of banking on what those who aren't practicing what Jesus taught why not be sincere with yourself by looking intently at what Jesus said that will help you IDENTIFY his true followers in the midst of different religions all claiming Christians?

Whatever they're saying about Jesus' true disciples has been predicted by Jesus himself! Matthew 10:22-25

Richwallet:
Pride cometh before a fall.
Jew is a convert to the religion of David. A Judean is a relative of David.

Well according to history Jews are the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levites that occupied the southern part of Israel.

Whoever converted to their form of worship has never become a Jew rather they are known as PROSTYLES.

A Jew may not like to practice his own father's beliefs and that doesn't change the fact that he is a Jew by birth.

As regards those who later become Jews through faith that started when the Messiah bought people throughout the world with his own blood to become children of Abraham {John 1:11-12} God never send the Israelites to convert anyone before the coming of Jesus Christ so if anyone claims he is a Jew by faith let him know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never made such covenant with anyone except those that became members of the Jewish family through faith in Christ Jesus! Romans 2:21-25

May you have PEACE!

Empiree:
we don hear. Now, please tell me a true Christian in Nigeria as of today...I like to know please

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Don't think about their individual flaws because all humans have that but when it comes to how they conduct themselves as a group throughout the world you will know that this is the one and only group practicing what Jesus of Nazareth taught! Matthew 5:13-16; 7:16-18

Thank you!

jaephoenix:
Sorry I called you a clown. Apologies
About the topic… It would be surprising for a Christian to say god isn't all-knowing. I mean that's what you guys basically sing and dance everyday. But lemme assume for the sake of this discourse he aint omniscient. So what is the qualities of your own version of God (since he's obviously different from the regular God we hear about)

LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

I do regard most of you guys who has turned to atheism because you people have valid reasons to denounce what you were taught about God but let me remind you that one is not to be called a tailor until you see him sew and design a suitable dress.

In the same manner you don't call anyone Christian simply because he claims he is until you observe how strongly he or she adheres to Jesus' teachings. That's what makes one a Christian not just claims.

Jesus himself said that his disciples will become WITNESSES of him throughout the world {Act 1:8} which means a group of imperfect humans like you and i will be known globally practicing what Jesus laid down as norms or tenets. Matthew 5:13-16; 7:16-18

After Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension to heaven Satan initiated his own agents in their midst {Matthew 13:25} and since Jesus' disciples don't force rebellious people out of their gathering {Matthew 13:29} they later outnumbered the real Christians and that's what you know today as Christians. Their attitude and behavior totally negates what Jesus taught his followers. But thanks to God true Christians have separated themselves from Satan's agents so you can now see the organization of true Christians today known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. It's exactly the same way Satan's agents treated Jesus and his real followers that they are treated globally today! Matthew 10:22-25

So if you haven't find such a group then know that you've not met the real CHRISTIANS! Act 11:26

Thank you, if you still have any question about faith in God please don't hesitate to ask !

sonmvayina:
Where is the fact?

Show me what somebody who actually saw him. Said about him...

If you don't believe what was written by his closest confidants like Matthew and John then how are you going to know who was with him back then?
Are you expecting a video clip that Jesus and a disciple sat discussing before you accept that they were actually eyewitnesses of the events?

Guy, the account of Matthew 5-7 is the most popular sermon ever on this planet and it was recorded by an eyewitness known as Matthew!

cosiocan:
your opinion is still like that of this woman, you're tempting me to claim that God and his spirit is working among a particular group of people or church.
But the truth is that Yahushua is the tree and He is that Church. And those that believes He is the Holy Spirit is the branches not withstanding the church or the denominations.

Well the woman was asking Jesus to verify if what the Jews were claiming is true or false.

The Jews strongly believe that it's only in Jerusalem that pure worship is practiced but Samaritans believe that since they're both descendants of Jacob (Israel) God will accept both worship as pure leaving all other nations as pagans. So Jesus confirmed that what the Jews were saying is true {John 4:22} but that instead of being in a particular geographical location pure worship will be practiced by the group having God's Holy Spirit WORKING with them! John 4:24

So it's not about geographical location but there must be a group in whose midst God's Holy Spirit is WORKING and that's how to IDENTIFY the practicers of pure worship {Matthew 7:16-18} not when they claim they're Christians without producing the fruitage of FAITH! Matthew 7:21-23

If you can't present any group then it means the tree is fake and hasn't produce any visible fruit which is to be noticed globally just as Jesus Christ foretold! Matthew 5:13-16

May you have PEACE!

Empiree:
Did You Know?

It's not how far but how well!
The time a religion came has nothing to do with the truth rather it's the end result of such religion that matters! Matthew 7:16-18

The churches of Christendom aren't Christians rather they're political priests used by the colonial masters to monitor the political affairs of any country under their colony.

True Christian only preach and teach about God's Kingdom from house to house and door to door just like Jesus of Nazareth did. The result of his ministry is that the the adherents of his teachings become lowly in heart and peaceloving everywhere they go.
That's what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed and started calling them "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} not because they started a religion that's disturbing the peace in their city with noise about HellFire! Matthew 12:19

The first century Christians has nothing to do with politics, in fact they will neither take part nor vote for any leader whoever comes to power is not a problem to them because they don't believe (trust) in human government it's God's Kingdom (government) that they're praying and waiting patiently for as directed by their leader Jesus Christ! Matthew 6:9-10

sonmvayina:
You are just dull..
Do you know the benefits of tourism?
Those sites where selected by Helen, mother of emperor Constantine....
The pope knows Jesus is a made up character...

I can't remember how many times you've repeated that on this forum!

Anytime you meet people who present facts to you regarding undeniable evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is a real historical figure you end up saying they're dull, i wonder what exactly makes you smarter than them!

cosiocan:
You emphasize the fruits without considering the tree, your opinion that the Holy Spirit is manifested and known by her Fruits is correct, but who is the Tree producing those fruits? Perhaps you believe the Tree is a force or some breath? That's Abstractionism
I have already proved from the Scriptures that the Messiah says that He is that Tree. Gospel of John 15.

The Christ (not Jesus) is the tree!
Note that Jesus is the baby human born, bread and brought up by a Jewish couple so he is their Son, but the Christ was born the very day Jesus got baptized that's the very moment God's Holy Spirit landed on his head to prove that the Messiah has been born not by flesh unlike Jesus who was born through a woman the Christ was born by God's Holy Spirit!

So it's the Christ that became that tree from that very moment {John 15:1} his 12 Apostles were not born until the day of pentecost when the Holy Spirit landed on each of them along with other disciples, it's from that moment that the branches of the tree (Christ) began manifesting {John 15:6} not when Jesus chose them that's why Judas Iscariot never lived up to the day the branches were born!

Yet only the tree in was complete with all the attributes of God's Holy Spirit the branches were born by grace (underserved kindness) so they're still prone to errors until the day they die and drop the flesh completely.

So the organization starting with the branches (apostles) and countless disciples is made up of imperfect humans who can err in words {James 3:2} and actions {Galatians 2:11-14} yet it's these imperfect humans that makes up the body of the tree (Christ) Ephesians 4:12

Even though Christ is no longer here physically God's Holy Spirit will continue to WORK with this BODY so that all the attributes of God's Holy Spirit will be noticed in the midst of God's organization despite the fact that the organization is made up of imperfect humans each having his/her individual flaws! Matthew 28:20 compare to John 14:26

Therefore if you can't present any group of people in whose midst God's Holy Spirit is WORKING out the nine attributes {Galatians 5:22-23} there's no way you can prove that what you're saying is not just a claim like others!