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cornelboy:
Using the early church doctrines as standard, why don't you compare churches existing today to the early church and let's see which church is actually following the Bible and doing God's will?

Most people just love deceiving themselves.

For instance he said "Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the authority of the Governing Body is higher than what the Bible says"

If only he understands what's written in the Bible book of Daniel 12:10 and compare with Matthew 24:45

The first century Jewish religionists also believes that Jesus carried his own words above God's word {John 5:18} that's why they were killing his disciples because they felt Jesus is an impostor who came to put his own words above God's.

So if that's another accusation against Jehovah's people it's a welcome development! Matthew 10:25

cornelboy:
That's a good point sir.

When we preach and teach them in their homes we have the opportunity of reading their minds. Jesus can read people's minds directly but we can also discern what they're thinking through chatting with them and eye contact. It's not easy for humans to admit that another human like them knows better than them not while you're just someone they barely know and remember you're not even his Pastor, teacher or lecturer, and there are his fellow Churchgoers who also believe what he's saying. But with the little he's able to grasp he can sense that something is wrong somewhere.
Is this person a pastor too?
How come he knew so much?
And come to think of it, he believes in Jesus. So why is he saying something different from what we all agreed upon?

What matters most is that he called you "BOSS" without knowing who you are or your financial status. That's the evidence that he is learning something knew even if he's not going to accept it today!

Hismasterpiece:
What if the person's name is Satan? or Lucifer? Would it matter then?

Guy it's like your pastors have taught you so many things about people's names but to us it doesn't matter at all. If a person bears Èṣùbíyì we know that's due to his own father's beliefs so we focus on his own personality not what his father or mother believes which prompted his name!

Uptownerd:
Answer the question, don't deflect.
I'm sure if you have taken the time to do a simple search on Google, it would have shown you that "God" is a generic English name just like "Human".

I'm sorry for you!

Google, Wikipedia and Dictionary only gives you what some humans like you and i imput in their system most times answers from Google aren't authentic/accurate, that's why we need to put all definitions to test so as know if you have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of what you're saying or not.

For instance google say Ọbáfẹ́mi Awólọ́wọ̀ is from Ìkẹ́nẹ́ in Ògùn state whereas his father is from Ìliṣàn not Ìkẹ́nẹ́. So real knowledgeable people don't depend only only what we read on the internet we go further to verify.

You haven't given your own definition of that title "GOD"

cornelboy:
Your number 5 is what I fear the most. Where did those people call Jesus God in the Bible?

Is there any word like Godhead in the manuscript of the Bible?

But actually the fullness of God dwelled in Jesus through the holy spirit while he was human just like the fullness of God was in saints baptized with the holy spirit.

What's the difference between god, God and GOD?

So did they believe in trinity or not?

Or did they believe in one God, the Father?


In your number 4, why didn't Jesus have authority on his own?

Why did the Father give him authority? Will Jesus hold the authority forever?

If you can't answer that, just read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. You'll see that Jesus will actually hand over his authority to GOD the Father in the future when he finishes his mission.

Surely right now, Jesus is the King of god's kingdom.

In conclusion, anything could be God, but the Father is the one true God there's.

KaLuCh:
1. Boss, that the bible doesn't use the phrase God the Son is what you are holding on to? What kind of logic sef is that... He called God His father, Himself the son, and from many scriptural references, He is God.. Thus, God the son. Or the Son who is God or God who is the Son... This is not difficult. But people wey dey find talk would grasp at anything.

When chatting with someone please note their opening words.
The title "BOSS" connotes "Master" he already given a signal that you know more he's not just ready to admit openly.
Please try to be mild with him!

Uptownerd:
It's a good thing you know. So, since you know this fact, what "God" (Name) have you been talking about all this while?

You haven't answered the question:

How do you define GOD?

Uptownerd:
Unfortunately, this answer doesn't make you smart, just exposed your ignorance level and how deep you have been brainwashed/indoctrinated.
You have already acknowledged that you don't know the God you are talking about and haven't seen him before.
So, if you don't know anything about it (God), but still continue to worship the imaginary thoughtform you have built about him, are you not decieving yourself?
Common sense dictates that you should research and study more once you come in contact with "new information."
So, it's not matter of if God exists or not. It's a matter of, do you know God? Your answer was an emphatic no .

Common sense should tell you that before you can say someone doesn't know something the first thing to do is DEFINE what you're talking about, then it's the accuracy of your definition that will prove you right not just assertion!

Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God! Exodus 7:1
So the same person made both Moses and Jesus like Gods in the midst of humans that's why God told the Israelites:

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

God sent both Moses and Jesus so they were like Gods in the midst of their audience because they spoke and it was happening as if they were Gods. But they both gave the glory to the Almighty who sent them!

RoyalDiadems:
The Lord Jesus Christ resurrected with His physical body. The Spirit returned into the body. Just like the resurrections He worked during His earthly ministry.
The spiritual components of man would be judged - the soul housed by the spirit. The body is for the grave.
The spirits of just men in paradise would return into a celestial body at the resurrection. Please study the whole chapter of 1Cor. 15.
1 Cor. 15:44 says:
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
Don't be deceived. God would give the spirit a spiritual body that can no longer die during the resurrection.
Jude 1:14
"Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints."
The Word 'cometh' suggests that they've been together and therefore will be coming together. But as scripture interprets scripture, we understand that "the dead in Christ shall rise first..
and we shall all meet the Lord in the sky." I do not see the old testament saints in this ressurection. Those who resurrect are 'the dead in Christ' only.
The old testament saints resurrected when Christ arose:
Mathew 27:52-53
"...and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."
Meanwhile, while upbraiding the saduccees for their error. Jesus said Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive because when you say God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you're referring to the God of the living and not the God of the dead.
Now, there's evidence that new testament saints are currently active and alive.
John the writer of Revelation had many encounters with such saints on the island of Patmos. Thinking they're angels, he nearly worshipped one of them in the end of his visions in Revelation 22:9:
"But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God."

So they're not in their graves then awaiting a resurrection, they're somewhere else waiting to come back into their graves again so that they can resurrect a second or first time, shey?

Jesus said:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come out; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29

Please the highlighted in red.
Which part will hear his voice, the spirit or body?

Job said:

O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. Job 14:13-15

Job believe that he will wait in his grave!


Martha (Lazarus's sister) said to Jesus:

I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. John 11:24

So where was the spirit of Lazarus before Jesus brought him back to life so that Pharisees were plotting to kill him again? John 12:10

Uptownerd:
Why should I be the one to tell you, did you see anywhere I said that I know or have seen him/it?
Like I said, this is the time to give yourself a thorough appraisal and allow yourself to realize that you don't know what you are worshipping. You already said so yourself!!!

So if you don't know GOD or seen GOD that's not enough evidence that He doesn't exist, we can't see air yet even you as deluded as you are can't deny that we need air to survive despite the fact that nobody can see or touch it
Thanks for your advice i'll rather live and die as a believer than being an atheist. You can now continue chatting with your friend who brought my name here, after all both of you aren't DELUDED like me.
May you have PEACE!

Hismasterpiece:
What if a potential JWs name is something that doesn't give Glory to God? Would it matter then?

It still doesn't matter to us, it's the readiness to live by God's word that matters to us.
So whether the person's name is David or Goliath it's of no practical benefits to anyone!

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... so i take it that maximus ain't your real name then.. i wonder wat it is.... by the way, that dude ain't my friend... i no sabi am from anywhere..

Names meant nothing to JWs, what's in your heart matters most to us! Luke 6:45

He quoted you to make friends since you brought my case to his thread. Well i'll prefer you stop mentioning me and concentrate on winning souls for your God!

Kenneth4u205:
Jesus was driven into the wilderness to fast by the Holy Ghost. And the scriptures says angels were ministering to him in the wilderness while fasting.
But this man was driven by his emotions to fast because of his family situation. We should always allows the Holy spirit to lead us and not our emotions

According to Luke's account Jesus never fasted at all!
For anyone to really fast he/she decides by himself/herself that he wants to go fasting but in Jesus' case it's the spirit that led him into the wilderness where God spoke with him for forty days and forty nights {Luke 4:1-2} the same happened to Moses {Exodus 34:28} and Elijah {1King 19:8} that's why nobody ever believed that Jesus fasted among his contemporaries! Matthew 19:4 compare to Luke 7:31-35

Wicked religionists claiming pastors are behind the fasting imposed on poor people!
They deceive them that God will do what they want so when the rich comes to them for miracles these greedy pastors charge them and collect money from them but the poor that have nothing to give them will also come then they will tell the poor to fast for many days. Of course they know that a smart person will never do such a thing so if the person survives and come back to tell them he fasted 40 days and 40 nights they will start dribbling one another because they know it's impossible so instead of telling the poor the truth that their churches aren't meant for the poor they want them out of their way.
The real thing in their mind that's unspoken is "if you don't have money to give us, go and die!"
That's what they have in mind but they will say "fast for 21, 40, 60 or 90 days"

Uptownerd:
Oh.
Unfortunately, we don't believe in delusions over here.

So he is also deluded, shey?
Wahala dey for Okpoko!

Uptownerd:
You have shown that you don't know what/who God is. So, you can stop deceiving your mind with the fake beliefs.

This is hilarious!
So you concluded i don't know yet you can't present a better definition for the word "GOD"!
Well keep whatever you know until you define GOD!

RoyalDiadems:
Lol. Are you this ignorant?
Spirits don't reside in graves my brother. Only the body returns to dust.
Don't believe what I say, believe the Bible. I gave you scriptural references for my position.

Good!
If it's the body that remains in the grave while the spirit is out, then which part of Jesus resurrected after three days, is it body, soul or spirit? Hebrews 5:7
According to Jesus all those in the grave will resurrect in the last day {John 5:28-29} so what happened to their spirit that's already in Paradise like the thief's?
Which part of a man will be judged, the body, the spirit or the soul?

true2god:
I am surprised that you will/can say this. The Awake! and Watchtower! magazines are filled with religios bigotry againsr the Catholic Church and other non-JW denominations. I don't know why you choose to lie.

You've said it all!
Fruitless interpretation, useless applications and disastrous doctrines false religions applied to God's word (BIBLE)
So just as our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus never spoke against the Roman Gods, Grecian Gods or the Gods Samaritans are worshiping rather he focused on the fruitless interpretation the Jews were giving God's word.

Following!

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... Max max... Tell me something tho.. Is Maximus your real name? Or is it just your nairaland alias?

Your friend said:

Uptownerd:
That dude seems to be on a whole new level of delusion.
Don't forget to visit https://uptownerd.com/category/consciousness-2/ to be spiritually enlightened.

I think you have something in common with him as you both agreed that i am deluded so please settle with him first before coming to me!

Hismasterpiece:
I would have rebutted you but at this point I don't have the strength to answer you JWs

The problem i have with you is the way you run to mention me whenever you find your fellow Churchgoers or atheists say something that excites you.
I don't want to have any discussion with you ever again on this forum so can you please! please!! please!!! Stop mentioning me?
I promise never to quote/mention you again can you also do the same?
Thanks in advance!

RoyalDiadems:
Read my post again. We're on the same page.

Well if you say so!

RoyalDiadems:
His body was in the grave for 3 days but obviously, not His Spirit. During that time in the grave, the scriptures say:
"...he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"
His Spirit preached to other spirits that were imprisoned in Hades.
Now, we can never tell if He was in any other place other than Hades but one thing we know: He keeps His promises.
That promise He made "Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise." Shall not fail. He must surely have fulfilled that promise same day.

So his spirit was not in the grave, shey?

OK what part of that thief went with him, soul, body or spirit?

Maynman:
How’s calling me your friend a sarcasm, in what way is it a sarcasm.?
You Even told your friend goodnight too, is that a sarcasm too? You meant good morning huh

See why I said you are a shameless liar

Me, your friend!
Keep dreaming!

Maynman:
So how is calling me your friend a sarcasm? Calm down and rethink.
What else have you lied about under the pretense of “sarcasm”

SARCASM also means LIES to you shey?

Why not tell a kid of 5 years that a rat and a whale once live together and see how the child will ask you "daddy that's a joke, right?"
Well you can continue dreaming but you can never ever be my friend not while you're an UNBELIEVER!

Uptownerd:
I can't help but laugh. You see that you don't even know what you are doing. Help yourself, read about thoughtforms.
It's obvious the God you are talking about is imaginary at best. It all comes down to the type of "God thoughtforms" you have been feeding and designing in your mind after exposure to stories and texts in that regards.

I have defined the word "GOD" for you as agreed upon by billions across the globe so if you have a better definition of the word "GOD" why not present it?
It's obvious you're just trying to force what is not acceptable on others when you can't even provide a simple definition of what you're saying.
God is invisible but when you find intelligent beings (humans) and where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns then know that God is present!

Maynman:
So you lied when you called me your friend?
Do you know what Sarcasm is

Sarcasm is what everyone know is direct opposite of what one is saying.

Like saying
"fast as a slug"
"clean as mud"
"beautiful as monkey"

So whatever makes me a BELIEVER refer to you an UNBELIEVER and staunch antagonist of FAITH "my friend" any intelligent listener knows it's SARCASM!

Maynman:
You are not like, you are the real epitome of a SHAMELESS LIAR.
Are we no more friends again? We are only friends when it fits you? I’m a neighbor now?

Stop deceiving yourself, you can't even grasp SARCASM!
You and i share nothing in common so there's no way you can be my friend, friends share a lot in common that's why an adage say "show me your friend and i'll tell you who you are"
So guy if you and i share nothing in common then in what way are we friends?

OLAADEGBU:
We have been using television to broadcast before many of you were born.

I have been having girlfriends as a Muslim during the time Deeperlifers were throwing away their TVs so stop deceiving yourself!

Maynman:
Shameless liar, when did I say that?
Are we not friends?

Oh, you also a like SHAMELESS LIARS.
Well you're not my friend but neighbour just like everyone else around me!

Maynman:
Witness of William Tyndale

I thought you'll stand by your word and never quote me again but no you can't even stand on your own words!

Uptownerd:
What did God look like?

LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

Maynman:
“Bias” coming from a watchtower worshipper lol

Mr trailer!