₦airaland Forum

Ilovepeace:
Shut up, Aturu!

Sorry i never knew lawless ones like you are many here!

Uptownerd:
Spoken like a true sheeple!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Like one who knows each person should be held accountable for his/her actions!

Uptownerd:
See, now he is no longer talking about God (a mental delusion), but about the JW and their rules of membership. I think we are now getting somewhere. It's good you have realized (God thoughtform) is all in your head, so now you have switched to facts - JW rules and membership. That's progress. There's still hope for you and it lies in doing more extensive research and reading. P:S: By the way, I know JW enough to know that once you leave their membership, they ostracize and blacklist you instantly. So much for the brotherly love they pretend to give while you were a member.

The best policy ever in the history of mankind!
Nobody forced anyone to become a JW and before you're baptized you will be told all that's involved in becoming a member of our community. So if you're now leaving nobody will force you not to leave but then you don't have the right of citizenship anymore.
You're now even worse than a total stranger to us!

If you know that you want to keep your happy family then you must be prepared to make sacrifices otherwise you're not ready to be a member of a global family living by conscience.

Hermes119:
You said you didn't need material possessions I'm glad you have realized you do

You missed the import of my post!
Material possessions that must be protected by armed security guards is what i don't need.
Can you walk freely with your phones?
But can Dangote, Otedola or Adenuga do the same even when it's the same type of phones they have with them?
That's what i meant!

Well if you must know if they don't fix anything like you said your ministry would be tampered with. If the government doesn't make good policies roads won't be fixed so how would you travel to remote places to preach,if the government isn't working people would face more temptations to commit crime,how does that help your ministry,if the government isn't working waterways would be a mess and floods would occur more often how do you preach to a homeless person. Whether you like it or not the government of the day and the policies they make affect your life and ministry,a better government would make your ministry smoother and easier it doesn't take a genius to realize that

Humans are social beings so we don't need any government to tell us all what you're saying, all what we need is come together and reason as a community on how to cohabit as intelligent beings. Whatever will lead to forcing people to abide by rules that will benefit them is EVIL. We are not animals so if we reason as a family we will live as a family but once you're using weapons to intimidate others or compelling them to abide by certain rules then it will always lead to more and more and more troubles!

The scripture you quoted says
Daniel 2 vs 44
An in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,and it shall stand forever
Please show me how that passage refers to all human government and how it shows that human governments are anti-God

Try to read the whole chapter of Daniel 2 and meditate on the highlighted.
God's word is talking about different forms of government mankind has been trying for centuries before they now concluded on DEMOCRACY which is the government of the people by the people and for the people. This system is what Daniel emphasized on when he said this government will not be passed unto other people (unlike democracy where you must CHANGE the one ruling whether he's performing well or not)
So God's word condemns all human government that's why God is coming to DESTROY them all! Daniel 2:44

Meanwhile
Romans 13 vs 1-2
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves
Romans 13 vs 6
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing

Of course we must be submissive to them since they're taking the pain to manage the troubles their hopeless policies caused.
Imagine if everyone is to be paid the same wage (as God's Kingdom promised) do you think they will need security operatives to keep people in check or force them to obey their rules?

Uptownerd:
Unfortunately, nobody knows it all. And that's a fact, unlike your delusion which lives in your head only.

Haha!
That's where you're getting it wrong Sir!
It lives in the heads of over 8,000,000 people globally and we've used it to settle all our racial disparities to the point where we now make a big happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth.
So if everyone has this so called DELUSION in their heads there will be NO MORE WARS!

Get that straight into your empty skull!

Hermes119:
Interesting !
Material possessions are also necessary for your preaching,Im guessing you are typing from a smartphone,you buy a smartphone and data with money,so without money you can't communicate on nairaland,so you need money then don't you?

Of course i need food, clothing, shelter and Money not enough to hire armed security operatives for protection!

The bible isn't anti-government, in Titus the bible encourages christians to pray for leaders ,Jesus encouraged people to pay taxes,he even payed his are you saying sir that if we follow Jesus' footsteps and pay our taxes that we shouldn't hope and hold the govt responsible to put good use to it,are you saying sir that we can't hope and hold our govt responsible for fixing the health system of this country so people with meagre resources should die
Is it sinful to try to fix the country while you wait for Gods kingdom to come ?
Cc MaxInDHouse

We pray not for them to fix anything but for them not to tamper with our ministry due to their confusion as they jump from one hopeless policy to another.
We pay them whatever they demand so they won't blame us for their failure.
According to the Bible all human government is anti-God {Daniel 2:44} because it's only God that has the right to set standards that will bring about justice, lasting peace and security which no human government can do! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

Uptownerd:
You are suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect of your JW indoctrination.
You don't read to understand, you just read to argue your senseless ignorance.

Thanks for the grammar, i'm OK with the little i know!

Hermes119:
Great !!!!
A Jehovah witness' point of view
Well majority of Christians do not agree with you

Thanks for giving me the privilege!
First of all Jesus' real followers must have the same line of thought on what God says {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10} so when you see several sects claiming denominations with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet claiming they all belong to the same master know that Satan is the one behind the scene! 1Corinthians 14:33; 2Corinthians 4:4

and by the way do you pray to God to solve your needs.

YES! My needs is whatever will make my preaching and teaching ministry a success, not material possessions where i will also needs to distribute guns for less privileged to protect me! Matthew 6:19

And why does the world need to get worse until Gods kingdom come and not otherwise ?

God's Kingdom means God's own government.
Adam and Eve turned against our Creator as they want to rule over themselves {Genesis 3:1-6} which has led us to where we are today! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9; Jeremiah 10:23
So as long as humans are hoping in human government things will continue to get worse, until God's Kingdom comes to wipe all human government off! Daniel 2:44

true2god:
Thank you for accepting the fact that your AWAKE! and Watchtower! magazines are filled with anti-catholic and anti-non-JW bigotry. So your claim that JWs don’t criticize other religions (JW called themselves non-Christians because they teach that Christians were named by Antioch pagans).
As for your claim that others apply ‘’Fruitless interpretation, useless applications and disastrous doctrines’’, your organization is notorious for the claims you made above. Your light is still getting brighter, and your organization has changed most of their believes/doctrines for the years, together with their tons of failed prophecies.
You are clown bro and never to be taken seriously.

Just name a sect claiming "CHRISTIANS" that's performing better than the Watchtower!

As for changes in the way the Watchtower do things you just need to know the group claims that Jesus returned in the year 1914, and ever since then has been directing them on what to and what not to do, and to the best of my knowledge Jesus often change some orders he gave his disciples back in the first century {Matthew 10:9-10 compare to Luke 22:35-35} so what do you think observers seeing the changes in the way they were conducting themselves will say?

No Christian is praying to God for any country to be fixed because God's word already told us that things will continue to get worse until God's Kingdom come.
So it's misinformed religionists that's selfishly praying for their own countries to be fixed.

Uptownerd:
You are not making sense.

Of course my comments can't make sense to you but leave it for those who are seeking the true God!

OkCornel:
2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


The above verse clearly shows the church would be very much around when the lawless one (the antichrist) who would defile God's temple would be revealed - Daniel 9 v 27 and Matthew 24 v 15.

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. So keep comforting one another with these words! 1Thessalonians 4:16-18

According to the above scripture something of that nature will surely occur but misinformed Churchgoers are getting it all complicated!

Jesus (Archangel Michael) will call from the sky but only his own followers will hear the call, and another strange thing Paul mentioned here is that "the dead in Christ" (Born Again Christians who are dead) will rise first from their graves and later other Born Again who are alive by then will follow.

This resurrection will not be noticed by unbelievers because it will be spiritual no physical bodies will be seen. 1Corinthians 15:44

HellVictorinho4:
Don't mind that useless thing

Social media beggar!
Hope you've eaten?

Uptownerd:
You see how easy it was for you to call other people's Gods "Useless Spirits?".
That's also how easy it is for me to dismiss your JW God as delusion.

USELESS, WORTHLESS, FRUITLESS, HOPELESS is not enough to quantify anything you call GOD but can't PRESENT any evidence of it's GODSHIP.

JEHOVAH called Abraham, traced that lineage for thousands of years, monitored the writing of the most popular book (Bible), explained in details how life begins, promised to keep His worshipers informed, gather them from all the earth, erase RACISM, POLITICS and MILITARY SERVICES from their hearts, make them have the same line of thought, equip and send them to all their neighbours, assured them that though they will be few compared to worshipers of DEAD gods yet our group name will be known globally!

Oya nah, Mr Many gods, what do you have to say about any other god you can think of?

OLAADEGBU:
War games!

Kumuyi pikin!

Uptownerd:
Unfortunately, you can't attach your meaning to a word you didn't create.
Chukwu= God
Eludamare = God
Zeus = God
Amadioha= God
Chineke= God.
See why it's a generic word?

I'm sorry for you!

Where are the WITNESSES of your Chukwu, Elédùmarè, Zeus, Amadioha, Chineke and what have you?

Of course those worshiping these useless spirits refer to them as God but the one and only true God said His own worshipers will serve as evidence of His presence. Psalms 115:4-8

Guy those are names attached to that title but they are no god beside the one and only true God JEHOVAH {Isaiah 46:9} that's why you can't find their WITNESSES actively working out anything positive like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Janosky:
Rebellious desperado typing GIBBERISH.

@ Matthew 15:22-24 & Matthew 10:5-6, did Jesus Christ proved his OBEDIENCE to his Father's command Paul was inspired to write
@Hebrews 13:7,17?
Yes ,INDEED !
Matthew 10:5-6
"5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."
**
Achorladey,Where in [b]Hebrews 13:7,17 & Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:22-24 was it stated that obey those taking the lead when they give direction ("Do NOT preach to Gentiles" that does not make sense to you?
The disciples knew John 3:16, would Jesus command @ Matthew 10:5-6 make any sense to them?
Achorladey go lead revolt against Jesus command at Matthew 10:5-6, him Mumu no go let am calm down, be humble & obedient.
why would Jesus instructions make any sense to to this rebellous desperado wey "wise" pass Master Jesus?
[/b]

You need not stress yourself over the interpretation of Hebrews 13:7, 17

According to the scriptures Christians are soldiers and the rule among soldiers is "OBEY THE LAST ORDER"
A soldier have no excuse Whatsoever to disobey his superior all he needs to verify is that he/she is from the central unit of control {Act 17:11} afterwards any disobedient act is indirectly kicking against the central unit of control. That's why Jesus told the first Governing Body:
"Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever you loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven" Matthew 16:19
So even if the Apostles as a BODY err in any issue as long as it's the BODY that decided on that thing anyone who kicks against it is on his/her own.
That's why God's Holy Spirit killed Ananias and Sapphira, the decision to eradicate poverty in the gathering of Christians was a blunder Jesus told them that poor members will always be in their midst {John 12:8} but that's not a reason to kick against what the BODY has bound on earth!
So if they feel that the Governing Body of JWs aren't under the central unit of control they need to present a better performing BODY otherwise they are bunch of rebels against God!

Janosky:
You na anywhere your Belle face.
What instructions did Jesus Christ give at Matthew 10:5-6?
Does that instructions make any sense to you who is a Gentile?

It's envy that's killing all of them, they know that only jw.org measure up to all what Jesus taught so as they're seeing the organization above all other forms of worship brings them SHAME {Matthew 5:13-16 compare to Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1} so to console themselves they'll place any religion (not their hopeless ones) beside God's organization to make unequal comparisons.

The question any right thinking person ought to ask them is:

Since JWs are ready to speak for their own organization why can't any of these people speak up for his/her own instead of looking for another religion (not their own) to compare with JWs?

RealTalker02:
I love where this is going buddy.
- this prison is the same as hell , For this to refer to humans, both body and soul is required. Which doesn't exist here, this is a reference to angels,and angels are not helped.
- secondly they already received judgement. But Hell , this prison, release the dead in it and the book of life was checked for their sakes, which means some names were found in the book of life how come? Who condemn them to prison in the first place when they are innocent ?
You mean you are struggling with seeing both body and soul are present in hell ? Not just some spirit ?

The highlighted sounds really interesting!

Please are you also a witness?

cornelboy:
I must run o

You know why i love JEHOVAH?
He never disappoint those trusting (believing) in Him, He promised that no weapon formed against His worshipers will have any success and any tongue that rises against us shall be silenced {Isaiah 54:17} and so it happens, two religions were placed side by side as if they're equal but one is SPEAKING while the other is SILENT only for enemies of JWs to shamelessly start speaking for a dead god whose worshipers are as handicap as their god! Psalms 115:4-8

Please my brothers go out there and declare the greatness of the one and only true God JEHOVAH of armies the God whose armies are ever ready at all times! Psalms 110:3

Uptownerd:
I already told you God is a generic English name, here you are still looking for my definition of "God". You are manifesting a well known problem = dogmatic obstinacy. In plain English, it's simply called "clutching at straws" especially when you are out of ideas.

OK God is a name to you shey?

Well it's a title to me which has a meaning so hold onto your understanding while I hold onto mine!

IDENTITY of the worshipers of the true God!

©They will become fully competent and completely equipped in making use of the SPIRITUAL SWORD (Bible) 2Timothy 3:16-17; Ephesians 6:12-17

©They will use the Bible to catch men alive throughout the world {Luke 5:10} and disarm them with the power from God's word! Hebrews 4:12

©They will gather them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

©They will have the same line of thought throughout the earth {John 17:22} and everyone will say "they love their members" John 13:34-35

©They are in the forefront preaching zealously and industriously teaching people in all their neighbourhood what their God says! Matthew 28:19-20

©They will silence all other religions when it comes to intelligence so that no other religion will have the confidence to mention the name of their religion in opposition! Isaiah 54:17

©Throughout the world people will always talk about them whenever they're trying to measure fine WORKS! Matthew 5:13-16

©They will be the one and only group producing the fruitage members can boast of anywhere they go! Matthew 7:16-18

Sorry OP you're making a totally wrong comparison, you can't compare a living GOD to the dead gods. Psalms 115:4-8
If the group is not JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES they can never ever be like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Instead of LDS to show up for their GOD it's the our usual "Customer dada ni"
Èèṣí ò!

At last it's only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that could speak for their God and critics of JWs are also our usual "Customer dada ni"

Please where are the LDS people o?

Uptownerd:
You have nothing else to say. When you get back home, sit down and think.
I have given you all the truth you need. I hope the JW indoctrination in you fades off sooner than later and the religious delusion for a God you don't know is mentally emancipated.
You already confirmed that you need other sources to confirm a thing. I hope you follow your own advice.

STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!
What is your definition of the word "GOD"
I no dey forget that one o!

Hismasterpiece:
Ah ah now.. when have I ever used the word 'deluded' to describe you or any other JW?

So you do deny what you often do shey?

OK anytime you want to LEARN call on me (not for worthless arguments)

Hismasterpiece:
Ehen! MaxInDHouse you dey hear?

Ask them say what is the name of their own Church, this is about JW and LDS!

cornelboy:
Leave me o.

For worthless, baseless, useless and fruitless arguments,
Customer dada ni!

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17

JEHOVAH and His WITNESSES!

Please where are the so called LDS nah?
Àbí they're like their gods? Psalms 115:4-8

cornelboy:
Lol. He's actually a Father to me.

Their pastors have really misled them into lots of delusional thoughts.
Just imagine "Sir" being misconstrued again!

Uptownerd:
Fixed @bolded - my additions to illustrate how far your delusion runs.
Here's your own statement:

Anyhow you put it i'll prefer my delusion a million times than atheism Sir!

You've not defined GOD!

Hismasterpiece:
Max max... my guy neighbor... so if I mention you asking you to explain the Scriptures to me you won't explain?... I though JWs liked personal evangelism... max max...

Sincere and honest hearted people do admit when they meet anyone who knows better than them and so politely they'll seek knowledge and wisdom. John 3:1-2
But in the case where you go about saying the person you're looking for to explain scriptures to you is DELUDED repeatedly, definitely something is wrong somewhere!