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RoyalDiadems:
Smiles. How dare you twist the words spoken by the Lord Himself? I choose to believe only the words of the Lord Jesus..

He said to the thief, "today, you will be with me in paradise." He also promised that we would all dine together with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. From my understanding of scripture, all saints would be together in same place. However, the new testament saints would be given higher roles and authority. That's why Jesus said "He that is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John the Baptist." Meanwhile John the Baptist is greater than all saints before him.

Did Jesus go anywhere within the next three days after his death?

Well the answer is NO!
He remained in his grave for the next three days {Act 2:27; 13:35} until his father and God remembered him for his Godly devotion! Hebrews 5:7

So the correct interpretation of Luke 23:43 say "i promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

RoyalDiadems:
Yes. By the word Christian, I meant church-goer, because I thought that was your understanding. The general understanding outdear is to call everyone who goes to church a Christian but those of us who have encountered the truth know that they're mere churchgoers it they're not born again.
A Christian is a disciple of Christ who has chosen a Christlike life in the midst of this polluted world.

Then you've gotten it all complicated!
You need to know why Christians in the first century were baptizing their followers. Such a person must accept all the teachings of Jesus Christ and prepared to live by the utterances of Jesus if not the Christians won't pray with such a person {John 17:8-9} that's what Jesus taught them. It's after they've confirmed that an individual is ready to live by Christ's teachings that they will baptize him/her. Matthew 28:19-20
Any baptized member who refuses to live by his baptism will be DISFELLOWSHIPED {1Corinthians 5:9-13} but unbaptized individuals associating them are referred to as interested persons (not Christians) because they've not decided to live by the law of the Christ! Galatians 6:2

But BORN AGAIN Christians are those who were chosen directly by God Himself even Jesus has no say here so nobody can choose to be a BORN AGAIN all what you can do is to be a Christian and live by the law of Christ but as for burn again only God choose who will rule with His son! Matthew 20:20-23

I'll advise you to calmly and politely ask JWs all your questions if truly you're not biased!

RoyalDiadems:
We are all prone to fleshly desires but are not all ruled by it.
"There's therefore now, no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit." Romans 8:1
Christians who are not born again walk completely after the flesh, being ruled by it. They are in a fallen state.
The born again Christian is not in a continuous attitude of sin or worldliness. He may fall but he rises up again.
The righteous man falleth seven times and riseth up again.

Sorry it's either you're a Christian or not.
There is nothing like in a fallen state after one has chosen to live a Christlike life. Of course that's what quantifies a Christian not just being a Churchgoer!

RoyalDiadems:
In Mathew 8:11, While upbraiding the Pharisees, Jesus told us something concerning those who would become born again:
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
We would all be in the same place and even dine together according to the scriptures. Those saints of old had salvation just as we do, but they're not baptised in the Holy Spirit.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be here on planet earth according to God's promise for them and all other ancient servants of God! Psalms 37:29; Psalms 115:16
So when Jesus talked about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the Jews knew that it's the promises of God for them that he's talking about.
But Jesus supposed to stay in Jerusalem with his cabinet all trained by him {Isaiah 2:3; 9:7} this is what changed as Jerusalem was condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} so he's taking his cabinet to another destination {John 14:1-4} that's why his chosen ones must be BORN not of flesh and blood but by the spirit so they can become like angels! Luke 20:36

So it's God (the Father) that will select these set of people only from among those trained by Jesus {Matthew 20:20-23} that's why faithful servants of God like Abel to John the baptist can't qualified because they never received that training from the Christ himself! Matthew 11:11

Hismasterpiece:
@ the bolded.. what if they no wan hear?

We are not after the majority, we are in search of the lost sheep of the house of faith {Matthew 10:6} so we don't expect more than one person out of a multitude because that's exactly what happened in Noah's days! Luke 17:26
If only Cornelboy comes out of a compound family of 40 Jehovah, Jesus and all the angels will set up a party in heaven over just that single soul! Luke 15:7
So those waiting to see multitude to decide before they do are never going to escape the end of badness!

Hismasterpiece:
Are you on the Lord's side? That's all I want to know.

So it's his words you're waiting for, shey?
Why can't you discern through his posts if he believes (trust) in what Jesus taught or not?

Hismasterpiece:
Okay, neighbor.

Good, this is better!

RoyalDiadems:
Yes. In fact most Christians are not born again.
The difference is that the Christian who is not born again is canal. He is ruled by the flesh. He rejoices in iniquity just like everyone else.

The highlighted is an error!

All of us are subjected to the FLESH that's why even the BORN AGAIN Christians in the first century most times struggle with the FLESH! Romans 7:15-25
Apostle Peter succumb to the FLESH after his baptism Into the spirit! Galatians 2:11-14

The only difference between the BORN AGAIN Christians and Christians like me is their quick adjustable mode and fast adaptation to whatever the spirit says. So while they're in the forefront we follow their footsteps when there is any need to act on what we are all learning! Hebrews 13:7

That's why we need to IDENTIFY the gathering where these people are because even though they are imperfect humans like everyone of us they're the salt preserving us and light that shines upon us! Matthew 5:13-16

RoyalDiadems:
Stop disturbing yourself. The scriptures say in 1Peter 1:21 that we are born again by the incorruptible Word of God, not by Holy Spirit Baptism. The Spirit of God in the Word of God births us into God's family. We become born of the Spirit by the Word.

Ephesians 1:13 says:

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.

You were included in Christ when you believed the gospel. You were then sealed with the promised Holy Spirit (Baptisms of the Holy Spirit, also called the Promise of the Father in Acts 1). You are sealed by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, not born again by it. Here, both 1Peter 1:21 and Ephesians 1:13 are in agreement.

You're mixing it all up Sir.

The Spirit of God worked with all faithful servants of God from Abel till John the baptist but none of them qualified to be in the heavenly realm of God's Kingdom where Jesus and the Born Again Christians will be {Matthew 11:11} so even though God's Holy Spirit works with me while preaching and teaching as a Christian in my neighbourhood but that's totally different from baptism of God's Holy Spirit which never happened to any servant of God before John the baptist!

Uptownerd:
So, after that did you see God?

YES!
With eyes of FAITH! 2Corinthians 5:7

PaulOtl:
Great truths you've outlined.
I agree.
That's why the same word of God says, a poor man's wisdom is despised. Ecclesiastes 9:16
And wisdom doesn't mean one will be rich.

So there's a certain kind of richness God will rather see us have( rich in love, spiritual gifts, understanding and wisdom) .
But he isn't against us gaining wealth on earth, but it has to not take the place of God in our lives.
I rather be a poor wise man than be a rich fool, who thinks he is infact wise. But I won't be stark poor. I know he will provide my needs.

May God bless you because you've just spoken the mind of the Christ! 1Corinthians 2:16

RoyalDiadems:
Let me ask you these questions. The disciples who walked with the Lord Jesus, who cast out devils in Luke 9 and 10, and who gathered in the upper room to fast and seek the face of the Lord in expectation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, were they born again?

The 120 disciples who happens to be in the upper room at Pentecost all got baptized with the spirit so they became BORN AGAIN that very moment {Act 2:1-3} but there were 500 of them that met Jesus on the day he ascended to heaven {1Corinthians 15:6} So while all those 500 were true disciples only 120 became BORN AGAIN at Pentecost.

The malefactor on the right hand of Jesus on Calvary, whom Jesus promised, 'Today, you shall be with me in paradise." Was he born again?

NO! The thief was never baptized at all until his death {John 3:5-6} so his place in God's Kingdom will be Paradise earth {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} like John the baptist a faithful prophet but never got baptized by the Holy Spirit! Matthew 11:11

When you open your mouth and say someone is deluded i just laugh because your IQ is so low.

Now listen:

Gods are supreme beings whose presence affects there surrounding and most importantly intelligent beings (humans) in their domain. That's what brought about different description of the title GOD, humans whose presence commands respect or influence fellow humans are revered as Gods, hence politicians, musicians, beauty queens and other genius having special gifts are revered as IDOLS (GODS)
But real Gods are unseen highly intelligent spirit beings whose presence could only be perceived through what is happening when they are present. That's why you need to know the attributes of the God of your choice because that's the only way to be sure that it's the same God you heard of that you're worshiping or another spirit!

Let me stop here for now!

Uptownerd:
@bolded, so have you seen God?

I perceived God in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses who are imperfect humans like all of us but were able to erase POLITICS, RACISM and MILITARY SERVICES within their gathering, that's the one and only evidence the true God promised we will SEE as proof of His presence in the gathering of imperfect humans! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 5:14-16
So have you seen or perceived any God worth rendering sacred service throughout the earth like this one?

According to Jesus Christ of Nazareth all those that will share the same glory beside him on his throne will face the same music of which will eventually end up in the likeness of his death (excruciating death) Matthew 20:20-23 compare to Revelations 12:17

So it's only the BORN AGAIN Christians back then that experienced this {Matthew 10:28} because they were the ones in the forefront preaching and teaching without fear due to their baptism of Holy Spirit {Act 4:31} that's why true Christianity went into spiritual slavery after the first set of BORN AGAIN Christians were killed and there was no BORN AGAIN Christian to anchor Christ's teachings during the dark ages.

Today the remaining ones are busy day and night preparing spiritual nourishment for the other sheep {John 10:16} Jesus said his father and himself has given them the privilege to care for his earthly belongings (subjects) {Matthew 24:45-47 compare to Luke 12:32} it's America that declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP and made it easy for them to continue with their assignment on earth that's why God will never allow any human government to overpower America until His kingdom come! Daniel 2:44

May you have PEACE!

Uptownerd:
Have you seen the 'God' of your JW organisation since you joined them?

Do you even know the meaning of the word "GOD"

Well it simply means "SUPREME BEING" which connotes One who can't be seen with ordinary eyes, so to perceive God all you need is observe things happening around you, that's the only way to know that a God is around!

Real Gods are spirit beings not visible humans like you!

Uptownerd:
That dude seems to be on a whole new level of delusion.
Don't forget to visit https://uptownerd.com/category/consciousness-2/ to be spiritually enlightened.

Surely you don't know the meaning of the word "DELUSION"

Delusion has to do with lack of understanding so deluded individuals have nothing to gain in what they BELIEVE (TRUST) but there's no school of thought on this planet that's most beneficial to all involved like JW organization.
That's why we have the confidence to preach and teach throughout the world because none of your schools of thought can stand the truth! Matthew 5:14-16; Isaiah 54:17

You really tried but there are few complications!
I am Maximus, one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can ask me any question about our beliefs.
Thanks and may you have PEACE!

genkins:
Like I said b4, your grasp of scriptures is like 2 and a half percent.you think the blessings of Abraham we enjoy Is money and wealth. Lwkmd.. If u haven't learnt anything and corrected yourself from my reply and what @paulOtl wrote.. oboy leave it.. Because if you read what we wrote, u would not have quoted Mark 10:29-30 because the answer is there already. U are a lost case. @PaulOtl is not even up to 30 but see the wealth of knowledge he is pouring..
U dey form spirit filled. Common comprehension your spirit no fit teach you. Bye

Abraham's blessings is full of RISHES that's what God promised his descendants {Genesis 12:3; Deuteronomy 7:14; 28:3} but the riches God promised Abraham's descendants isn't about material possessions that's why most faithful servants of God were poor materially.

It's all about the sacred secrets having to do with life and the wisdom to live a happy life that's satisfying. Isaiah 1:18; 48:17-18

God never promised any of His servants material riches in the midst of people who are poor to the extent that God's servants won't have rest of mind but to put their trust in the same poor people at his gates and distributing weapons for them to protect him.

According to God's word His worshipers will only enjoy material possessions when the economic situation of where they live is good, in that case they won't need to start protecting themselves with WEAPONS due to their hungry neighbours.

But when talking about WISDOM only God's people will be the wisest of all men, so they will have speak anywhere with great wisdom and nobody from any other religion will be able to silence their WISDOM! Isaiah 54:17

That's why Jesus of Nazareth though was poor materially speaking was the wisest of all men, so his disciples must be the wisest anywhere they go! Matthew 28:18-20

Following!

cornelboy:
New earth and new world, na human beings go dè there. I can't be tired of making people see the TRUTH.

He's never tired of arguing, what he's tired of is the bitter truth that he can't refute with scriptures.

maxevans:
Thanks for the enlightenment.

Wisdom is from God! Proverbs 2:1-5

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... Max max.. my favorite JW.. continue..

The truth is INDISPUTABLE! Isaiah 54:17

Being saved has to do with conviction that Jesus is God's only begotten Son through whose words, thoughts and actions we'll gain everlasting life.

Being BORN AGAIN has to do with those selected and anointed by God's Holy Spirit to partake in ruling with Jesus in heaven.

So while both are SAVED only 144,000 will be chosen from among those trained by Jesus {Revelations 14:1} they will rule with Jesus in heaven {Matthew 5:3} and their rulership will extend over all the earth! Revelations 5:10
But from Abel till today God's people will be brought back to life here on earth to live forever in Paradise! Psalms 37:29 compare to Matthew 5:5

Just in case they want to know where you got all these!

cornelboy:
Sha remember that it was the Bible that said that the 144000 will be with Christ in heaven and they will later reign on earth.

Revelations 5:10

cornelboy:
All the righteous will live on these present world forever in the future. God no go carry all us go heaven.

Psalms 37:9-11,29; Isaiah 65:21-23

cornelboy:
Humans were created to live on earth not heaven.

Psalms 115:16

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... Paul wasn't a JW so I guess he has perished according to your line of reasoning.. Neither were Peter, Jacob, John, Jude, and all the writers of the Gospel accounts.. Max max... my favourite JW..

Oh you know them as "CHRISTIANS"
Well that's the borrowed group name {Act 11:26} our brothers used to confuse Satan, his demons and all his human agents.
Right from the beginning till today the group name JEHOVAH calls His own worshipers is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" {Isaiah 43:10-12 compare to Hebrews 12:1} Satan, demons and their human agents have profaned that borrowed name! Isaiah 65:15

So stop deceiving yourself, all faithful servants of the true God are His Witnesses the first born of our family is who everyone know as Jesus Christ! Revelations 1:5

elated177:
Maxindhouse, I am already worshipping my Daddy in the sky, my Father in heaven, my God, YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God and Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

Gooooooooooooood!
So Quantinu!

cornelboy:
Alright thanks.

Thank you too for taking Bible counsel which assures us of everlasting life! Psalms 37:37

peggywebbs:
Everybody believes in the supernatural.. some people are just looking for proof selfish gain...so they choose to stay in denial

The proof has always been there but when a person feels denied of what he/she wants then they began doubting the reality of what no one can deny!

cornelboy:
Jinns that the Bible describes to be rebellious angels sent to earth and bound for destruction are actually what the Koran says prophets were sent to, to preach to them bla bla bla.
A jinn probably staged as angel Gabriel and gave his fellow jinns and himself some importance. Whereas, they are just demons doing Satan's work. If you asked Muslims how those prophets were able to communicate with the Jinns and preached to them, they would start running from pillar to post.

As WITNESSES of JEHOVAH we're not sent to speak about the flaws in different religions, rather we are sent to PREACH the Good News of God's Kingdom. So leave arguments having to do with various religious sects for the Churchgoers. You're much more precious in JEHOVAH'S eyes than wasting your time, energy and resources on worthless arguments! Titus 3:9
Please target those who are rightly disposed for everlasting life {Act 13:48} so that Jehovah's angels may notice your fine WORKS {Malachi 3:16} and write your name in the book of life! Revelations 20:15
When all unbelievers are gone see yo there in Paradise!