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GreatAxeMan:
Sorry I was driving so I couldn't answer your question immediately. But I do believe as a Christian that God's Will for Christians is encapsulated in John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Would you agree that the Son under reference is Jesus and that He is the Messiah whose advent was prophesied in the Old Testament?

Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) but what does it mean to believe in him?

MrBrownJay1:
Moise did it and there was nothing wrong about it, in the yes of your god...

Why not ask for knowledge?

There is nothing like "Moise" in the Bible!

MrBrownJay1:
A) men are already marrying multiple wives whether the church agrees to it or not!
B) can a wife marry multiple husbands too, or is the church a big hypocrite on the subject?!
C) even though the bible preaches on monogamy, many great men of the bible were polygamist....Moise is one of them!

People marrying more than one partner in the Bible were doing what seems good in their sight but according to Jesus Christ whoever wants to gain everlasting life must return to the standard God set in the beginning: One Adam One Eve!

GreatAxeMan:
I'm more than happy to answer your questions even though you have been stylishly avoiding mine!
Is Jesus the Messiah?

I have answered most of the questions you posed but i know where you're driving at that's why i stick to what is written in the Bible!
What is the will of God?

What about women having multiple husbands as they can afford it?

Instead of arguing blindly in support of the TRINITY dogma that's not yielding positivity in the midst of it's adherents {James 2:18} why not ask for the will of God?

GreatAxeMan keep asking questions upon questions just to find support for the traditional trinity dogma handed over to him.
Whereas look! The will of God is missing in his life!
He's still blabbing here and there over politics which has been condemned by the true God!

Fortune109:
Nailed it means I support your view

Got you my friend, i just pity this faithless idiots claiming "atheists" asking if spirits will appear to them for the fun of it!

GreatAxeMan:
Answer the last question I asked you: Do you believe that Jesus is the Messiah?

Why do i have to answer all your questions as there's nothing to gain from the endless quest?
Will you answer mine as well if i should ask you?

gypsey:
Yea! Keep telling yourself that rubbish, have you ever seen a spirit? what kinda beer does a spirit drinks? Is it an American spirit or a German spirit? i have been looking every where for spirits al my life i still haven't met one forking spirit.
Inbox me, i will meet up with you so you can show me this guy called spirit i am desparate to meet her or is it him? If you cannot do that then......

So you think spirits are humans that will just come out to face you simply because you challenged them shey?
I'm sorry for you!

GreatAxeMan:
Anyone who can read this:

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

And conclude that God made Moses an actual god is, no offense, rather dull.

Well God promised to send another prophet that will also be a God like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

And Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet that came in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22

So stop deceiving yourself. It's God that made Jesus a God just as He made Moses a God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

gypsey:
Absolute! Rubbish! you cannot proof any of these crap, all these made up crap will not be accepted in a law court you need to provide evidence. Otherwise they are all imaginations in your head.

Clap for yourself!

gypsey:
Don't mind the ignoramus.

Even if you want to do it the spirits involved won't sign you in because they have a target in which you can't fit in!

GreatAxeMan:
When did God make Moses God? I asked a simple question and you deflected it with a lie. How can someone or something that is the result of creation, be the author of creation? It's a very simple question. No need to commit blasphemy while answering. I'm sure even Charles Taze Russell wouldn't stoop this low

The highlighted God made Moses God {Exodus 7:1[/b] God called other creatures "God" {Psalms 82:6} Jesus declared that the true God differs from him {John 17:3; 14:28} so if the Bible now says Jesus created the heavens and the earth common sense should tell us that he was acting on the instructions of the one who sent him:

Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28

So Jesus never did anything of his own initiative, go and tell your church fathers in your trinitarian dogma!

GreatAxeMan:
If Jesus is a "creature", as you calle him, how could he create the heavens and the earth? Set aside the ingrained ignorance of Charles Taze Russell and think very hard about this. How can someone or something which is a part of creation, be the author of creation? Think carefully because the next scripture I will quote will destroy everything the Jehovah's Witnesses stand for.

The point you're missing here is the ability of the ALMIGHTY God who can make anyone whatever He pleases to make them.
He made Moses God so if someone says Moses did everything in Egypt and released the children of Israel of course a Bible student will say "NO Moses was sent to do all that"

Whatever Jesus did from the beginning till now was under the direction of the one who gave him the power to do it and he himself always acknowledge the one who impacted wisdom to do all these.
So it's the Bible that said Jesus is not equal with the one and only true God not anyone!

GreatAxeMan:
Thank you!!! Jesus created the heaven and earth! That's all I wanted to hear! Now answer this question:

The author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 is actually quoting another scripture. That scripture is Psalm 102. Why is the author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 taking the attributes applied to God in Psalm 102 and applying them to Jesus in Hebrews 1: 10 to 13?

Because Jesus is the one and only creature that's a perfect replica of the Almighty God {John 1:18} our first human parents were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but they didn't remain in it. Jesus maintained that image for uncountable years that he has been with God! John 8:29
So if anyone wants to know God's mindset all you need is to study Jesus' thoughts, words and actions {1Corinthians 2:16} that's why God made him the one to rule (train) mankind for a millennium in order for whoever wish to also become a perfect child of God like Jesus!

Truvelisback:
Not that u can't help me, u are confused abt ur Belief. U are sound like it's a sin to be rich.

Dude i thank God for the little i have because in the midst of many i'm MATERIALLY RICH but i just don't value it like my place in God's Kingdom. Even my children i told them that whenever i die everything will be given to those that needs it so they should work for their own money because that's what they will know how to manage since they built it all by themselves, but as the one they will inherit, well i tried to give them the best education there is.
So don't think i'm poor my friend, i'm not saying riches is sin rather it's the LOVE OF MONEY that's the root of all injurious things and due to this love many have abandoned the faith thereafter stabbed themselves all over with many many pains! 1Timotht 6:9-10

Happinessabd:
comrade you too much

Fortune109:
Nailed it!

Please don't let anyone deceive you, money ritual is REAL but it's the proceedings that's difficult due to the target of the spirits involved.
Most people don't know that all what they need to get such riches is to prove how desperately they are willing to let go of anything in exchange for wealth. Revelations 13:16-18

It's just a pity that no one claiming atheist can get it, even those who don't believe in God but disguising among true believers can't make it because Satan doesn't need their souls, the souls precious to the forces of light and darkness are the loyal ones and since an atheist is not loyal to anyone those demons see them exactly the same way Jesus views them: "WALKING CORPSE" Matthew 8:22

But whenever a true believer falls spiritually all the demons are ready to grab him and give him anything he wish as long as he will vow with his life never to return to Jesus. As for anyone without faith even if he/she is invited among them they're going to make use of his or her body parts there!

Truvelisback:
U like deviating. I asked a simple question and u gave me long epistle as ur reply. So, i should be craving to be poor? Is that what u mean? When has been rich synonymous to "the love of money"?

Why do you capitalize on riches and poverty out of all that has to do with God's will?

Well i only quoted God's word for you so do whatever you like with it i'm not the writer neither am i the Author. If you're not pleased with what you're reading then it's a pity i can't help you!

GreatAxeMan:
You haven't answered my question I want to know the identity of the person who is referred to as the creator of heaven and earth in Hebrews 1 10 to 12!
Just a name will suffice!

And what will that do for you?
Guy it's written in your Bible just as it's there in all others but the PRACTICAL APPLICATION is what you can't grasp, that's why billions are reading that book yet the fruit of God's Holy Spirit is not seen in the human society.

Jesus is the one God gave the wisdom to make all other things whether those in heaven or on the earth. Colossians 1:16

FERNANDEZISBACK:
That's their issue..all I know is ritual killing and fetish nonsense doesn't give you no money..

ATHEISTS!
I know you guys are saying all these in order for someone to take you to where you can get the confirm one but nobody will show you where original money ritual could be found so doubt it from today till you die money ritual is real but those giving out the riches (Satan, demons and their human agents) deal with people on various levels.
For example all what Jesus need to do before Satan will give him all the riches in the world and their glory is just to bow down and worship Satan! Luke 4:5-7
But to humans who don't know how much that could mean Satan will demand something else, all he wanted is to make his costumer admit that you must turn your back on God.

So it's not the human body parts that's of any value in the spirit realms but your integrity as human to be destroyed as in kill your conscience so that you feel like doing anything even if it will make God annoyed after all He (God) hasn't given you what you want. That's the secret!
No atheist can get such opportunity from Satan because you're worthless already before God unlike a faithful believer whose existence meant so much in the eyes of the true God! Job 1:8

GreatAxeMan:
So now that you admit verses 10 to 12 refer to Jesus, answer this question: Who created the heavens and the earth according to Hebrews 1 10 to 12?

Trinitarians and their myopic thinking!

I'll also ask you a question:

Who created the Skyscrapers, Helicopters, Aeroplanes, Speed train, Flying boats, Electricity, Telecommunication, Computers and many other things that came along with technology?


Well if you need to know everything is God's WORK!
He created and impact knowledge in those that created all this things.
So Jesus who was God's firstborn son (created) was given the wisdom to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} and before he came as a human he inspired Solomon to write about him:


Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth, When he had not yet made the earth and its fields Or the first clods of earth’s soil. When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters, When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep, When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth, Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31

Know today that Jesus (God's first work) was created and given the wisdom to make all other things. That's why the Grand creator says He made everything just as everything you can see now is to the glory of our Creator whereas humans were responsible for those things that came along with technology, yet to God be the glory and honour because He gave all of us (including Jesus) life! John 8:28

Truvelisback:
That Jesus said it is difficult for those who have money to enter the kingdom of God doesn't mean He said they can't enter the kingdom of God. Some of Jesus disciples/followers were rich. E.g Zacchaeus, Joseph the Arimathea, Mary Magdalene and others.

So what is the import of Jesus' statement there?

Well it simply means humans condition may change from best to worst, he shouldn't think God is no more there for him, rather he should focus on doing God's will because we came to the world empty and when we die there's nothing we can take to the grave!

But when someone is always concerned with the riches of this world then he can't stay in the faith:

For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having food and clothing, we will be content with these things. But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1Timothy 6:7-10


So stop this unnecessary cravings for riches because it has nothing to do with God's will!

GreatAxeMan:
Only verse 13 refers to God.
Who does the preceding verses 10 to 12 refer to?

Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3

God's Son Jesus Christ!

Truvelisback:
U said the rich will never enter the kingdom of God, that it is only the poor that will enter.

All you need is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what Jesus said @:

Jesus looked at him and said: “How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! Luke 18:24

GreatAxeMan:
Who does this quotation from Hebrews 1 10 to 13 refer to?
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All these are written words that you will continue to argue about because you don't know the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of it.
So instead of all these questions stemming from a trinitarian dogma why not think about the WILL OF GOD?

Two persons are being referred to in those verses:

Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3

LordReed:
Prayer works but not in the supernatural way people imagine it does. Prayer helps bring calm to your mind and helps you keep focus on solving your problem, it's not a magic spell that prompts genies to come to your aid. You get the same effect from meditation techniques so there is no special thing about prayer.

This is factual!
But there's something prayer can also do that no meditation can achieve.
When you pray to God for personal request He will guide you into knowing how to go about it through the calmness of mind and focus.
But when it comes to issues having to do with many people meditation won't do anything what will work perfectly at that time is PRAYER.
For instance, we're all looking forward to a time when people from all races under the heavens will come to their senses and end WARS. Many organizations has been formed to help people see reasons to stop this madness but all to no avail. But with diligently study of the Bible, thorough meditation and fervent prayer to the one and only true God Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved this throughout the earth so that all their members numbering in millions have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again! Isaiah 2:2-4

Now that's something only JEHOVAH the true God is working on presently in the midst of His prospective earthly subjects in the future:

He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters the spear; He burns the military wagons with fire. Isaiah 46:9

For now He is working on how to perfect this plan without turning His earthly subjects into robotic ants who only live on instinct but they're happily and joyfully obedient to this arrangement globally both old, young, male, female, rich, poor, highly educated or ordinary craftsmen. Soon He will end all suffering by EXTERMINATING rebellious humans throughout the earth for peace to reign globally! Luke 19:27 compare to Daniel 2:44

Truvelisback:
This where ur lies comes from, for saying JW church is the only true church. What makes u think u are a competent student? A competent student who can't diffrenciate btw genuine salvation and false salvation. A student who thinks the kingdom of God is only meant for the poor. And u are here claming competent student.

If you're not ready to learn i can't force you, and i never told you that God's kingdom is meant only for the poor!

Gratefulsoul202:
Hello everyone,
Have been a very active guest on nairaland since about last year. Have been reading and going through so many atheist believes here and I somehow find it sensible to me cause each day I go through a lot I pray fast and do many more it just seems as if the thing won't change. Then I remembered how my mom was a chronic church lover who never misses a church program. If you read my previous post about how my dad is to me you would understand the sorrow she has gone through before she died. Mainly the post on nairaland that has made me realize that Indeed these prayers dont work was an old post from hardmirror(sorry for the mention sir) I came across It i read everything and realize this man is making sense. Although I still attend church services like normal Christians but my zeal for Christ have gone each time am in church I don't feel like it makes sense to me to come to the church on basis of praying praying and praying which mostly doesn't work.

Have you met the true Christians?

Note that they won't pray with you unless you are ready to practice the same sacred service with them! John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9

Which means you might be praying while the true God doesn't even look at your side at all because you were doing it the wrong way! Matthew 6:5

Note that God doesn't answer all prayers {Jeremiah 11:14} so do you know the criteria for prayer before you can expect God to take you serious?

The Bible says:

And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask according to his will, he hears us. 1John 5:14

Do you know the will of God so that you can pray accordingly?

GreatAxeMan:
What about this?
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I told you:

MaxInDHouse:
It's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

Those people were Babylonians and they revere the newly born baby they saw a Star leading them to him as the King of the Jews!

It is the translators that rendered the text "WORSHIP" it simply means OBEISANCE!

And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did OBEISANCE to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh! Matthew 2:11

What they had in mind from where they're coming was that the child will come from a royal family, that's why they first branched the palace of King Herod the great, their gifts would have made Herod feel highly privileged to have been the father of such a great child but he was disappointed because no baby was born in his palace during that period!

ifiokjohn:
i think the highlighted should be what God use to judge. Cause to be sincere if you're not Rooted in your Faith all this athiests will push you to their side.
Beside I often ask isn't a good person better than a religious person even though the good person might not believe in a God. Shouldn't it be wrong to condemn such good soul to hell? Remember Jesus in one of his parables talk about the acts that can make you see God or show you are holy. So if a good person does 90% of that act apart from beliveing there is a God part ...he will go to hell? By the way, weather with An archangel voice or not as long as the person sounding the call is still Christ.
I guess you're a Jehovah withness?

No matter how good, kind or nice a person is as long as he failed to accept Jesus as saviour he will perish!

A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good —except God alone. You know the commandments: ’You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ " "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. THEN COME, FOLLOW ME." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Luke 18:18-24

Please isn't this man a good person?
Why must he join Jesus' group before he could be saved?

Well it's because there's no way anyone can meet up with God's will if he is not a Christian!
So if you want to know what God's will means i'm still very much with you.

Yes! I am now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

GreatAxeMan:
What does this mean?

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The verse you quoted was misinterpreted Sir!

To illustrate, imagine a supernatural event occurred and you asked about five different eyewitnesses to relate the experience for you.
This is how each will relate it:
Lord Krishna saved the day ~ Hindu
Allah rescued those involved ~ Muslim
Ọ̀ṣun helped them out ~ Ọ̀ṣun worshiper
Ayélála stepped in ~ Ìkálẹ̀/Ìlájé
Jesus saved them ~ Churchgoer

And it will continue due to what each person believes. The translators of the Bible you're using believe in the TRINITY so they interpreted that text as "WORSHIP" but in other versions it simply means "OBEISANCE" not worship!


So, quickly leaving the memorial tomb, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to his disciples. And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance to him. Matthew 28:8-9
The same thing has happened to servants of God in the past for example

And she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground before him, after which she picked up her son and went out. 2Kings 4:37

Why didn't the translators of the Bible you're using say the woman WORSHIPED Elisha?
Well it's because they feel Elisha shouldn't be worshiped, whereas it's exactly the same thing Jesus' disciples did to him.

So it's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

TruthinAction:
Try read the entire Bible with open mind. Forget about what you have been taught. You will see the many lies of Jehovah witness. In fact, they are anti Christ. Come out from among them lest you be destroyed with them.

And who told you that you know anything in the Bible?
Do you even know the meaning of AntiChrist?
What exactly do you know about scriptures and lies?
What assures you that you can see everlasting life?
Whenever you people see a competent Bible student you wish he leaves where he is taught the truth so as to join rebellious miscreant like you.
If you're ready to learn i'm here but if not then keep arguing up and down with misinformed religionists of your kind. One thing i will tell you is that you can never find any RELIGION where people are orderly and organized with the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed to his father {John 17:17-23} the one and only group having that quality is Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
Now because you can't point to any group like that Satan will make you think it's not about group, then ask yourself sincerely:

"if it's not about group, what evil has MaxInDHouse done that i'm thinking he is not saved?
Is it not because he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses that makes me feel he is with the wrong religion?"

Use your brains to think if salvation is not about groups, because i believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and i know God's will but you that's arguing blindly with your fellow religionists what exactly do you know about God's will?