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Everything God made is PERFECT {Genesis 1:31} but the misuse by imperfect minds is what's causing problems not what a perfect mind made.
So for imperfect creatures (humans) to make the best use of what a perfect maker gave us we need to learn from Him! Isaiah 48:17-18

achorladey:
Traditions of men at it best when speaking against 8 that said they can only give imperfect spiritual food and are not inspired means sinning against the Holy spirit.

Go on speaking against the 8 old men and you are justified because they are uninspired and fallible but speak against the fine WORKS they are doing with millions of people under their supervision across the globe and don't forget to present a better performing group that's headed by imperfect humans like the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 12:31-32

They know what they're doing that's why Jesus said they will never be forgiven {Matthew 12:31-32} this topic is about JWs stand on blood transfusion, they want to prove that JWs are wrong not because they have something tangible to say against God's standard but they just feel like accusing God's people.
So in a bid to condemn God's people they will raise different irrelevant topics only to end up shooting themselves in the foot! Isaiah 54:17
The TRUTH is clear from the definition of the title "GOD" which is "the supreme being" only faithful people (not perfect) will agree that we must be united in the same line of thought regarding right and wrong if truly we're all worshipers of the same God.
WHY?
Because authority simply connotes orderliness and there can't be orderliness when we choose to disagree on standard.
So when they look around them and see the one and only group having the same line of thought on standard they become agitated instead of glorifying the Supreme Being who has made it possible for imperfect humans to come under one umbrella and do things in common.
That's why Jesus said:

"whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:32

The son of man here simply is Jesus the son of Mary but the Holy Spirit is the force that's working out all the things expected of the Christ. So if anyone speak against Jesus there's no wahala because he's just a carpenter trained by Joseph his foster father therefore God will forgive such a person. But whoever opens his mouth to speak against the Christ after seeing the things that no man can do surely will never be forgiven because he is not condemning Jesus but the Christ (the one who has displayed all the qualities expected of the promised Messiah)

In the same manner whoever speaks against those 8 old men in America because he doesn't know why they set some rules binding on millions of people globally will be forgiven but whoever opens his mouth to speak against the Governing Body that has made millions across the globe zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word just as Jesus ordered {Matthew 28:19-20} that has made them obedient to the same line of thought {John 17:22} that has turn them into peaceloving citizens everywhere they are {Romans 13:1-3} that has erased military services, racism and politics from their hearts {Isaiah 2:2-4} that has made them like one family even when they're from different races throughout the earth {Matthew 12:46-50} surely such a person is speaking against the spirit of God that's doing what is necessary in this endtime and he will never be forgiven!

Nobody555:
Una de yawn nonsense. Pls how does being subjected to another higher being prove Trinity? Una no de think?
Jesus is the almighty God and yet he go still drop power to almighty God. Wahala and confusion be like person wey believe Trinity Omo you no even need to belong to the JW before you see that Trinity no conform with the bible at all.
Where is the co-equal, co-powerful and co-existence?
Wetin be una explanation to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
All the power and authority Jesus have na God give am, what does that tell you Co powerful or equal Abi
Na God give Jesus name.
Hebrews 1:4
[4]This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.

Jman24:
As usual. Always stuck...
Don't worry.. I'll start submitting the ones you can twist

My admirer, if you want to learn just pick a question at a time, but if you just feel like trolling of course you know there's no benefit in that!

Hello my denying admirer!

Jman24:
I'm back for max

I don't know why you find it difficult to understand English language. How then can you appreciate the fact that these are man made stories?

Scene 1 ( a test to be told.."you can divorce if.. blablabla"

Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on any ground?
The question did not say; is it lawful for a man to have more than one wife?

Scene 2
A. have you not read the one who created them( according to your good book, a rib was taken out of Adam to form eve); that's the context of he made them male and female so why divorce since they are one in the original plan of creation?

B. For this reason ( of that concept of creation) a man will leave his........and be joined to..... and they shall be one ( to validate the idea that Eve was not created independently according to your good book but was made from man)

The context is that B validates A

Max loves the negative correlation theory

HenryDion:
Does that mean you support the use of weed?

Don't abuse anything you have even the sugar in your tea otherwise you'll live to regret it.
The same is applicable to all the things God created on this planet!

cornelboy:
Is it possible for someone to leave the JW and become apostates

A spiritual INJECTION that's synonymous with the TRUTH is the cause!
When people feel like learning something and they later discovered that what they've learned is causing some form of restraint, nice and kindhearted people will back out telling everyone around them how difficult it is. But evil people won't rather they will like to stay and change the standard. So when they now find out that they can't change the standard they will start going about telling others that everything about the standard is evil.
I remembered a police officer who happens to start studying the same years as i do with the JWs in 1993, we were both making progress until he came to me saying what we're learning has been affecting him.
I asked HOW? He narrated how he used to take bribes at work and other corrupt practices but after about three months into the study it's becoming somehow difficult for him to do things he's been doing for years.
I told him my experience too and we both agreed to stop studying with the JWs.
After so many years we met again and we reminded ourselves of the funny effect of the JW teachings then he said

"do you know that ever since then i've not been attending any church services? I know that what i am learning from those people is the absolute truth even though i found it really hard to cope but i will never raise my tongue against them. They are the true Christians"

Afterwards i never saw him till now but what he told me that day broke my heart.
He is just a police officer but i am a soldier so i said to myself "definitely any member of the JW is far stronger and tougher than i am, i can only fight with weapons and martial arts, my heart is not as hard as one of Jehovah's Witnesses" Matthew 11:12

That's why i came back to face my fears. If those feeble looking men, women, boys, girls, old papas and old mamas can fight the good fight of faith surely Maximus can't do lesser! 1Timothy 6:12

So the Apostates have seen all these but their conscience is disturbing them, instead of them to walk away like that police officer they want to change the standard to soothe their liken and since that's impossible they're hiding to castigate God's people, that's why i always ask them the $1,000,000,000 question:
Have you found a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses?

helinues:
So those who have been taking tablets, injections also have inferiority complex issue?
You carry your ITK know pass goal post..

When people fall sick it means their system isn't functioning as usual so they need medicine to restore it. But when someone takes the same medicine just to do normal things then it has become an habit.

For instance, i want to woo a lady instead of going to speak to her as my usual self that she will always see afterwards i now take two bottles of Guinness (big daddy) do you think it's worth it?
NO!
While drinking is not a bad habit but enjoyment on it's own, drinking for the purpose of doing whatever you feel you can't do ordinarily makes you INFERIOR as in NOT ORIGINAL!

HenryDion:
How am I a psychopath?

Did i condemn the use or it's abuse?

For your information i drink responsibly and believe in natural herbs much more than Orthodox medicine. So don't think i'm talking from the perspective of some stupid religionists who don't know what is right from wrong!

HenryDion:
How can you demonize something you lots claim God created? And no, many people take weed for diverse reasons, not really to belong like you just ignorantly assumed. To many creatives like me, it could be for relaxation, creative boost, or simply for the high. You really need to update your brain. It's rarely functioning. @op.
If weed is no longer serving it's purpose, quit, or look for a different strain. There are hundreds of strains as long as weed is concerned. The only reason I stopped was because it wasn't helping my fitness journey, and skin. If you're not a daily user, you wouldn't lose the magic.

Did i say weed is useless?
Why are there so many psychopaths here?

Only believers can lay down their lives instead of denying their faith, atheists are faithless they're ready to deny everything else as long as they are spared to continue living.
So atheists can be defined as people who only believe (trust) in themselves, as long as they live they believe or trust no one else!

Hisbah14:
I use to enjoy weed but now I no longer enjoy weed. If I smoke weed it seems I'm burning or trapped somewhere. Mods help put it to the right section

It's a habit people pick up to make them feel high. The truth is that people taking such substance are suffering from inferiority complex, so because they want to belong and they can't just come out all by themselves they need something to ginger them.
So for you to stop such a habit you need to tell yourself the truth.
Am i equally incompetent and feel inferior like this people taking hard substance to meet up?
Why can't i do this without the substance?

Asking yourself such sincere questions will first build your confidence to resist, then pray to God for help because by doing so some people who aren't influenced by hard substance when doing what they love will come and teach you how to cope without weed, and mind you they don't just come around because they are God's sent!

Funny atheist!

Just saying i'm sorry is enough but crying up and down seeking the attention of the person you're sure knows better than you do makes you looks stupid!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, you can never find competent Bible students anywhere else that you'll enjoy learning from them if you turn away from us.
Please prove that you're mature by not mentioning me again after all you claimed you're restraining yourself from engaging me.
While i will make you tender an APOLOGY to the global family of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES before i engage you again in further Bible discussion. Or you ask your friends who said they left God's organization to tell us what they've been doing for their God after leaving JWs.
Abeg stop mentioning me if truly you're original!

tctrills:
The boy is not too stable. He is ill mannered and cracks under pressure. I really don't understand why he was selected to represent his organization. Of them all, he is the least smart, always taken to anger and a really foolish boy.
Normally, one is usually impressed by JW. The come out as smart but this one is different. He is mostly dumb.

headSmasher:
Kumuyi's reasoning? what do you mean? do you intended to attack his personality or something, it seems you are incorrigible and emotionally unstable because the reason for your attack on his is unjustifiable and unreasonable, I am done already, bye

I never called you before you jumped into the discussion you're not competent enough to intervene.
The below commentator brought in Kumuyi's reasoning and that's why i told him Kumuyi was stylishly following the JWs but pretending to be a man of God while he's criticizing JWs.
Now after so many years that his stupid ideas has begin to failed as others are leaving the Catholic styles behind Kumuyi is just waking up. Others were following the common trend while Kumuyi thought his dogmatic doctrine will draw everyone to him.
So if you wish stay and if you don't you're free to take your leave but know that Kumuyi is now confused as to what to tell his gullible followers who have lived all their lives like old women and sadists by bringing a woman with makeup and Jewelries to come and minister before his own disciples who believe such a woman will be tormented in their HellFire!

paltielx:
okay, i agree with you. Christianity should be based in the scripture not in any other historical book or figure

Jesus knew that Satan will introduce his ideas to gullible and dishonest religionists claiming it has a meaning in Christ {Matthew 13:25} but Jesus promised that all such nonsense will continue to confuse people until towards the end time when Jesus will come to separate false teaching from pure worship.
That's why the teachings of trinity never produced fine fruits in the midst of it's adherents {Matthew 7:16-18} which prompted the OP to raise his voice against this dogmatic doctrine!

LordIsaac:
The pastors below him feel they "know more than him" now. When the leader you've been following for years now says there's a new direction, as far as he is not saying Jesus did not die on the cross, nothing stops you from obeying him.

Can female members of Deeperlife put on jewelries and make-ups now?
I'm asking because the old man invited a female putting on make-up and jewelry to come and minister (preach for his followers)
So between Kumuyi who taught Deeperlifers not to put on jewelries and make-ups, and those that taught the other female minister, who knows the Holy Ghost better?

paltielx:
God is only one being. Deuteronomy 6:4 says that God is one God. We're not discussing encyclopedia but Bible. When Jesus came to the earth, the religious leaders were rooting their teachings on the tradition of men not the law. So jesus now have to give the people the new commandments

Well if you must know, it's the (Pagan) Roman Catholic Church that taught people TRINITY, that word is not written anywhere in the Bible.
That's why i showed you the meaning of what they taught you in their religion.

paltielx:
The three are never equal, when Jesus was on earth people were confused who he actually was, some said John the Baptist others said he was Elijah, still others said he was Jeremiah. So on reaching his disciple he asked them who he actually was, Peter answered that he was the SON of the living God. In reply he blessed Peter for answering it right, he also added that it was his father who was in the heaven at that moment that reveal it to him. That drives home the point that Jesus is not the same with YHWH

According to the encyclopedia Britannica:

Trinity, in Christian doctrine, the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of the central Christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet Christians in a threefold figure: (1) as Creator, Lord of the history of salvation, Father, and Judge, as revealed in the Old Testament; (2) as the Lord who, in the incarnated figure of Jesus Christ, lived among human beings and was present in their midst as the “Resurrected One”; and (3) as the Holy Spirit, whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of the new life.

headSmasher:
Are jewelleries and make -up from heaven? did GOD put a hole on the babies ear that will house earrings, did He put jewelleries on their neck from heaven, did He make up for them ? are you saying GOD is stupid for creating them in a specific way?

it is quite unfortunate and obvious to are not reading my comments, my comments have answered this your issue of jewelleries

You're still missing the point here!
But let me enlighten you on the flaws in Kumuyi's reasoning.
God created the first human pair naked {Genesis 2:25} so if you're insinuating we go about the way God created Adam and Eve then Kumuyi supposed to go about naked (without clothes)
Come on, that's no scriptural backings for setting unscriptural rules then turning away from it later because he wants more fans!
Can Deeperlife females now put on jewelries and make-ups like the female minister Kumuyi brought in?

tctrills:
This MaxInDHouse guy once vowed never to communicate with me in any way or form. He broke his vow in less than a week.
I don't trust men that don't keep to their words.

OLÓDO!

I vowed never to comment on your thread!
But whatever makes you come to a topic having to do with my people, i will correct you!

achorladey:
He is thirsty and needs water
He hasn't said he wants to learn from you. Na you dey mention am all over nairaland since he decided to let you be.
Since you don't give a damn, let him be
We know you are not our God that we will give account to in the first place and we don't go about beating our chest like you do in your SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS .
You dey collect your reward instantly here for nairaland. Ko gba ka lo ka bo rara.
Learn.

Surely you're the same person behind that moniker because stylishly you're calling my attention with one moniker while hiding behind another to mention me!

All you need is a one on one chat with a true disciple of Jesus Christ.
But you don't have to agitate when you find out how logical the reasoning of a student taught by the most wonderful counselor who ever lived! Isaiah 9:6

Good Afternoon!

davien:
It's been a while, to be clear the god I'm talking about is the general idea of a person, animal or object that exists as the first thing to exist and may or may not be responsible for everything else.

Let's start with the elephant in the room, we share this universe, you and I, we can objectively give ourselves as much evidence for our own existence. So why would we assume there's someone or something that's exactly like us(outside of the universe as a whole)?

If it's the first thing that ever was why would it have the physical characteristics(depending on belief) of the things in our reality? What does god need a right and left hand for? Clothes? Where'd it get them from?

For a person like me I'd reason these ideas borrow from the time they came to be that those gods would have the themes of the society they lived in, Greek gods occupy Greek mountains, Jewish gods occupy Jewish lands, Scientology spirits ride in airplanes(yes, google that).

And it's dumb to think of the creation stories as anything but myths of those cultures. So a perfect god(again, depending on the god) wouldn't get humans right the first time? And if it can't would a second time be any different?

If the god is an animal then why allow human beings exploit the animal for food, luxury and work? Why would a cow/goat, bull god make a human or even want to?

If there's such a place the god stays in but wants us to be with it what's the point of here then? Not saying there can't be reasons but when you start seeing brain dead babies and life born into this world that experiences pain and suffering 24/7 you have to ask why your god would be okay for a new being to be scorned for nothing at all.

Moving on to the naturally next point from the previous, if we humans did something to offend that being then doesn't that mean the being can't predict human behavior? Or wants humans to be exactly the way we are?

Lastly, if there's a way to reclaim peace with that/those being(s) then what function does our experiences serve if we're created with only one purpose in mind? I'm basically saying if you want object "b" to only do x in y then why add a feature that prevents or prolongs this process? Trial? For who? The object does not have to run any trial if it's use is for the creator.

These are my gripes with god/gods as an idea, it would be interesting to see if other people(believer or not) shares the same or have anything to add or clear over these. Thanks.

Thanks to JEHOVAH!
He began calling His own people by another name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" since 1931 {Isaiah 65:15} after Satan's agents corrupted the name "CHRISTIANS" that inhabitants of Antioch called our brothers back in the first century! Act 11:26
Tell the world that JEHOVAH has gathered His people as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} after calling them out of Babylon the Great (the world empire of false religion) Revelations 18:4

tctrills:
I have tried all I can to live at peace with MaxInDHouse. I have ignored his comments and kept a distance. I try not to read most of his comments even when he mentions my name.
That we have different believes isn't enough reason to start a 3rd world war.
We can't fight for God. Blessed are the peace makers.
Please can you advise MaxInDHouse to cool down. He really needs to gather himself and act like a man. He is taking this out of proportion.

If you want to learn from me come out openly because i'm not quarrelling with anyone.
I have also ignored you and your posts even when your questions are simple but since you don't want to hear anything about God's Chosen people organized to do His will then continue seeking answers where you can't find it.

As for those who approaches me with sincere hearts they will enjoy my company but as for insincere and dishonest people like you i don't give a damn what you think about me.
I asked you a question and until you answer then stop thinking about me:

Everyone knows that JWs are zealously preaching and industriously teaching the word of their God globally. Why not ask your friends what they've been doing for their God after leaving JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES organization?

Whatever makes you run away from this question then you're nothing more than a liar deceiving himself!

headSmasher:
Did you read my comment or you didn't comprehend or your frustration did allow you to see it that I have address your acclaimed stupid rules?

Who are those questioning his authority, there is a crusade in Ibadan, check YouTube and see the crowd, there is difference between outreach and church, in an outreach, evangelist use every available moral non sinful ways to bring people to the knowledge of truth, remember what Paul said in 1Corithians 9: 19 - 23

The point is Kumuyi told his disciples that Jewelries and make-ups are things of the world. Anybody can come to the gathering but asking a woman who puts on what he called "worldly" to stand before his disciples and minister!
My friend his disciples surely have a case with him because he shouldn't have invited such a woman at all in the first place talkless asking her to minister before people he himself taught that makeups and jewelries are "worldly"

headSmasher:
Bringing pastor Kumuyi into your rants and blabbering is unfortunate, pastor Kumuyi like Moses made some guidelines and principles to help their followers please God, Moses era there was 10 commandments by GOD and various laws by Moses, one of those is allowing Israelites to divorce their wives and writing them divorce papers but Jesus knocked it out and pastor Kumuyi did all that to cut off all distraction from the way to heaven, tell me in the Bible that GOD commanded the use of earrings, make up, alcohol like you said, let me give you an example, you built a place very dear to you and someone came there to deface it will you allow it? GOD said we are His temples, are we supposed to deface it

If he is your "PASTOR" can you explain why he made stupid rules like forbidden hairstyles, make-ups and jewelries for women?

For your information, one of those he invited to his program is a female putting on jewelries and make-up. That's why most of his followers are now questioning his authority!

rowlex7:
Happy Sunday my fellow Christians currently I am not earning but I still get little stipends from people around me, is it wrong for me not to deduct my tithe from it.
Thanks I await your response

You misconstrued everything!

First of all tithes was demanded in the Old Testament to ease the work of the High Priest who is the head of Service in the Temple arrangement. The priests and singers must be focused on their service in the priesthood so they need food, clothing and shelter. All these will be taken care of through the ten percent of the earnings of Israelites from other tribes.

So failure to pay the tithe will affect the service rendered by this person working in the temple! Nehemiah 13:10

But in Christianity Jesus is the High priest but in this case Jesus told his own workers that they must render their own services freely {Matthew 10:6} unlike the Levites in ancient Israel who weren't given the job freely:

"And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own. Deuteronomy 14:27

The Levites got the service as their inheritance when others were given inheritance the Levites were left out.

But in Christianity each of us must work for what we are going to eat as we already have jobs before becoming Christians, so if anyone claims he's a Christian he must struggle to feed himself not relying on others {1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 ; 2Thessalonians 3:10} There are some who wants to serve fully in the ministry, they don't need to marry and have children because that will distract them and add to their burden! Matthew 19:10-12

In this case fellow believers only need to support them with whatever we can give since they're doing more with their time and they're not accumulating any material possessions rather they're putting everything they have in the ministry!

So how do Christians pay our tithes?

Remember it was by kind in the Old Testament but now each Christian must serve our High priest Jesus Christ through our preaching and teaching {Matthew 28:19-20} as we support his brothers {Born Again Christians) in their service. Jesus will only allow us in his kingdom if we support his brothers with all our effort in the task they were given! Matthew 25:31-46

Begging for droplets of water!

Jackxcollection:
Shey dis one don smoke weed?
What did I just say?
But sorry to say your Jesus don't exist...

This is what i've discovered in both atheists and misinformed religionists.
You people just like to force your opinion on others and when the person tries to listen and reason with you like a mature mind you either threaten him with torture in some fairy HellFire (Misinformed Religionists Style)

Or you start throwing insults as if the person invited you into a chat in the first place (Atheists Style)

Aren't you the one who first quoted me?
So why are you behaving like a sadist?

Please next time you need to be mature and intelligent before quoting people!

AntiChristian:
You need not pit me against those whom you're also against! And i don't know why your hatred has been growing in leaps and bounds! Wetin Muslims do you?

I don't hate anyone, what i'm saying is you're not mature enough for liberal discussion of this kind.
So will you mention those who like to chat with you because henceforth i'm not going to reply you again on this thread!

Jackxcollection:
No be today bad thing begin happen for our planet earth.
The worst don even happen compared to now that's more safer

You're wrong Sir, Jesus is not about bad news but GOOD NEWS!
This is the best (better than good) thing that has ever happened in the history of mankind around the world today so are you willing to know?

Jackxcollection:
Was the happening before in history of mankind, if e no happen e no go enter history..

Don't deceive yourself...
I know all of you believe in this damn religion of a thing simply because of hell and heaven that is not even real

Don't be scared my friend, there's nothing called HellFire!
God has no business to do with evidoers {Psalms 9:17} He is a happy God and not a sadist! 1Timothy 1:11

As for what Jesus promised us that will prove to us as a sign of his authority in the heavens it's happening right now on this planet and it has never happened in the history of mankind.

Will you like to know?