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ifiokjohn:
Yes. Christ is right. But nevertheless in that context he was saying if you like call him Lord Lord, if you don't do the will of your Father. Be a good person, cloth the naked, feed the hungry etc. He is going to deny you.


Maybe the translators made mistake. But do you think they made mistake in that prayer part?. Because I don't think they will make such mistake.
Let assume hebrew was saying "Let all the Angels respect or pay obeisance to his Firstborn".

Now let's talk about Revelation where Jesus used the attribute or title of GoD.. will you call that mistranslation?
Let's talk about how Jesus said he will be the one to resurrect the dead doing resurrection. Ask the muslims, in the Quran Allah said he will be the one to raise the dead and here is Jesus ( just a prophet as you call him) claiming that he will raise the dead. Abi is that also a mistranslation?

It's the voice of the Archangel that will raise the dead and that's Jesus' voice! 1Thessalonians 4:16
All authority both in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus {Matthew 28:18} so leave the Muslims, all of them are walking corpse when Jesus returns, because they can't know God's will talkless doing it.

Mind you the highlighted is what people in general believes throughout all religions but that's not God's will!

ifiokjohn:
lol I'm not arguing. I'm telling you weather Christ or Elohim. You're not wrong.
Even God told the angels in Hebrew 1:6 to worship Christ ( his first born)
And like I showed you in John14.... Jesus explicitly told his disciples that they can pray to him. Praying weather you like it or not is worshipping.

The translators made lots and lots of mistakes due to their background. So before you can get the accurate knowledge of what you're reading in the Bible you need to compare different versions otherwise the trinitarian dogma will navigate your line of thought.
Praying is part of worship and Jesus said some will actually call him Lord, Lord yet he will deny them. WHY? Because they failed to do the will of his father! Matthew 7:21-23

So instead of thinking about how to worship Jesus it's better to work on the will of the father which Jesus said is most important! John 6:38

Truvelisback:
I'm against JW because they are good twisting the truth and diverting topic.

It's OK i'm not going to twist your topic so you can continue with your friends who don't twist topics!

ifiokjohn:
Nigga, check John14;13. It is explicitly stated. Ask anything in my name and that I will do(meaning it he that will do it) so the Father may be glorified in the son.
Have you not come across John14:13?


You said Thomas was an exclamation. Oga even if it was, it is Jesus right to rebuke him just like he rebuke the man who called him 'Good'.
Lol weak follower of Jesus. Ok o.


Moses case and Jesus case are very very different. If God made Moses a God it is to two people. But he made Jesus a Good to all the inhabitants of the earth. Not just human, animals principalities and power.
He made Jesus name the only name or the most powerful name after His.
He made Jesus name above every other name that at the mention, every knee should bow and every tongue should exclaim that Jesus is Lord To God Glory.



Yes, Jesus did taught his followers to pray. He also charged them to pray with his name and pray to him. Check JOHN14:13 again to gain insight.


I do wonder what you will say about John14:13.

And finally what you will also say about Revelation22:13...... Where Jesus used God own attribute for himself when he said.

"I'm the alpha and Omega. The first and the last. The beginning and the end.".

Nigga you should know such title Jesus use belong to God.

Can Moses say such? After all. Like you said, he was also made a God. Lol

We don't need to continue arguing over this, if we can't agree it's OK.
Each person is free to worship the God of his or her choice.
Thank you!

TruthinAction:
I understand your point. They fought to take the Land God gave to them. But with all that Jehovah witness know, they are not born again. Why? You don't believe in speaking in tongues. You don't believe in hell which is clearly revealed in the Bible. You have given so many false prophesies. You don't even believe Jesus rose from the dead.

Please, come out from this group so you don't end up in the very hell you deny.

Truvelisback:
U always quote out of point. By the way, is it necessary u write this long epistle just to prove ur point?

So it wasn't really about the points but you are against Jehovah's Witnesses, therefore no matter how much scriptural backings the point has you will turn it down because it's coming from one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Well if you must know, you are not worshiping the true God if you're not in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses. That's why Satan painted them like evildoers before you so that even when you're seeing scriptural points they're making you will gnash your teeth at them!

ifiokjohn:
lol. So you're saying the creatures in Revelation that we saw sang praises, honour and glory to the Lamb is not WORSHIP?
Ok let assume you're right.
By the virtue of GOD making Christ God.doesnt it mean he has given libety to people to worship Christ?

During the time God made Moses a God does he deserves to be worshiped at all?
The answer is "NO!" But what about obedience? Well God dealt harshly with some Israelites simply because they challenged Moses's authority! Numbers 12:1-12

ifiokjohn:
Secondly read Daniel7:13. It says hat all nations and language will serve him forever and ever meaning he will be a God to All nations forever. Directly and indirectly he will be Worshipped.
There is a reason Thomas called him his God and Jesus refused to rebuke.

Thomas was a weak follower of Jesus so when Jesus knew that this faithful and obedient man needed to see some things before his faith could be strengthen Jesus put on the body with bruises to convince his weak friend that he (Jesus) is alive. But Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus as God, it was an exclamation out of amazement just as someone would see something unimaginable and scream:

"Oluwa o!"

"Ayélála!"


"My Lord and my God!" depending on what the person believes.

ifiokjohn:
Secondly when you pray to someone you worship that person weather you like it or not.
Jesus told his disciples to ask of him anything or ask anything in his name and that he will do.
Now for his disciples to ask something from him.... It has to be through prayers and when they pray you Christ , they automatically are worshipping him. You see?

Jesus taught his followers to pray "in his name"

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that WHATEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME, he may give it to you" John 15:16.

Not to him!
All prayers must be directed to the father {Matthew 6:9} but in Jesus name!

This means the true God will not answer anyone unless you obey Jesus and do what he commanded! Matthew 17:5

ifiokjohn:
Ok. But Moses was only a God to pharoah and to Aaron. It just like "for the main time " kind of thing.

Yes! It was to be a temporary Godship that's why Moses died and never resurrected till today. Jesus Godship will last for a thousand years in which all the creatures in heaven and on earth must bow to Jesus' orders if they want to continue living. As for Satan, his demons, his human agents and all disobedient humans they will be exterminated before Jesus' reign ends! Luke 19:27

After the 1,000 years when Jesus has finished making all of us perfect he will hand over the Godship to the person who made him God over all. 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Please the word mistranslated to WORSHIP at Revelations regarding Jesus means OBEISANCE which connotes absolute obedience not WORSHIP. Jesus never taught us to worship him rather we are to worship the God who sent him, that is our father and God! John 20:17

haekymbahd:
he begged God to save him from crucifixion!

This is a misconception.
He surely begged God but it's not about dying rather the process leading to his death.

This is a person who did everything God wanted him to do {John 8:28} and sanctified God's name heartily {John 17:6, 26} because Satan knew Jesus very well right from the time they both lived with God in heaven.
Out of all the things God created Jesus loved humans to a fault {Proverbs 8:31} so he will not like anyone to hear that he was accused, arraigned, charged, judged, sentenced and executed as if the whole process was justifiable.
The type of death Jesus would have preferred was that of Abel were later generations will hear that he was brutally murdered not the type where he will be killed as a blasphemer!
Today we keep reading how Cain killed Abel and we're convinced that Cain killed Abel unjustly, Jesus' case wouldn't go that way rather Satan planned it that later generations of Jews {Abraham's descendants) will continue to hear the story that Jesus was found guilty of the charges against him!

For you to understand. Let's take the case of a one time head of state in Nigeria named Murtala Ramat muhammad as an example.

That was the best ruler Nigeria ever had but most elites don't want him, so they were looking for ways to blackmail Murtala all to no avail. Now imagine if some people should arrest such a person and take him to a law court to judge him as an evil person. How do you think they're going to convince the masses?
So since they can't do that they arranged for some good for nothing soldiers to murdered the best Nigerian leader in cold blood!
Since independence Murtala Ramat Muhammad was the first head of state who overthrew the government without bloodshed but when they checked all his deeds and found nothing incriminating they decided to end it all by murdering him

Please do you think any court in this world can hold such a person and sentence him to prison (not even death) without Nigerians ready to die for him?

That's exactly what Satan planned for Jesus!
Because if Jesus was murdered like Abel later generations of Jews will believe in him. So Satan schemed that Jesus be accused, arraigned, charged, judged, sentenced and executed as if everything followed due process.

So Jesus was begging his father not for his own life because he knew that his father will raise him from the dead {John 2:19} but for the benefit of people like you who will find it difficult to believe that such a righteous man could be judged like that as if he was given a fair trial!

ifiokjohn:
you're truly the one that doesn't even understand what you're saying.
God made Moses a God to Aaron and Aaron Moses prophet. There is a difference in this case.
But in Jesus case, in Hebrew God rightly said all the Angels should worship him.
In the book of Revelation. We see that all the creaturesin heaven praised and worship the Lamb ( Christ) so you see the difference?

"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. KJV

Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. NIV

And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. RSV

Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. NWT

Pharaoh of Egypt was the greatest King of his time and God said he is making Moses as God to Pharaoh simply means Moses is given authority over all the Kings of the earth since he has authority over the greatest King back then.
For instance, imagine someone who can order the president of America, do you think the president of any country won't bow at the name of such a person?

This is very simple Sir.
It was later after his resurrection and ascension to heaven that many found out that Jesus is much more than a prophet, but based on what was written about him. He will be a prophet like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

I didn't write that Bible book, it's what God's word says!

ifiokjohn:
then if so, how is Jesus like Moses since Jesus origin is from beginning before creation?then he is defined not like Moses.
By the way, how is Moses a God?I will like to understand. To be I presume Jesus is a God because of Hebrew that said when God brought his first born into the world, he said all the Angels should worship him. Secondly, because he was given Power, honour and authority over everything in heaven, on the earth and under the earth. But Moses wasn't given that. Was he?

The topic of your thread says:

"Help!! I'm Confused"

So if truly you want to be helped then you need to calmly consider what is WRITTEN in the scriptures before thinking about the dogmas misinformed Churchgoers are teaching their people.
Remember we must not add or subtract from what is found WRITTEN in God's word! Revelations 22:18-19

It's God himself that made Moses a God {Exodus 7:1} so i believe that if God Himself could refer to someone as "God" we don't need to question Him because He knows far better than we do! Isaiah 55:8-9

ifiokjohn:
is that so? Well I don't see him as such. The kind of statements Jesus made no prophet can boldly make such statements.

Church traditions may differ and interpretation may lead to endless arguments but God's word should be our guide.
God told the Israelites that He (God) will send a prophet like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and warned that whoever refuse to accept the words He (God) will put in the mouth of that prophet will be condemned! Deuteronomy 18:19; John 3:17-18

So when Jesus came he expected his listeners to use their discernment to figure out that even though he is the prophet spoken of in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 18:15-19} he is much more than just a prophet.
But that's how God referred to him in that book.

Moses was a prophet, deliverer and God at the same time! Exodus 7:1
And Jesus is the same but the difference here is that while Moses is one of us {Adam's blood) Jesus is not one of us {John 8:23} because his origin is from long time ago before the creation of this planet. John 8:58; Colossians 1:15-16

ifiokjohn:
Jesus Is a messenger of GOD but not a prophet. I think you should read the book of Revelation to gain more insight. To be able to differentiate the difference between prophets.

Jesus didn't just exist before Abraham. He was the Foundation on which all things were built. Reason the Bible explicitly called him the Firstborn of GOD creation.

By the way if Jesus were a prophet, don't you think he would have said the people that called him prophet were right.
Remember when he asked his disciples, "Who do people say I am" and they all gave varying answers like 'A prophet, Elijah etc' but yet to him none of them got it. I would have expected it true he was jus a prophet he would have said Yes, they're right, I'm a prophet of GOD. But then he asked his disciples, but who do you say I am? I'm sure many of them would have said Prophet but still he saw that as wrong but immediately Simon Peter spoke and said "You're the Christ, the Son of the living GOD" his reply to Simon was, 'flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my Father in heaven'.
See , what I'm saying is that if Jesus was just a prophet, before Simon Peter had even talked he would have said to others disciples that called him a prophet that they were right, he is nothing but a prophet of GOD and he didn't.

By the way, I don't think a Prophet can claim to raise the dead at the regeneration but in the Bible you have Christ claiming to raise the dead at the regeneration. An Act only reservedfor God. The dead is like billions and billions of people. It not one or two people that a prophet bring to life some times but billions of people. How can 'just a prophet' do that?

Obviously you missed this part of my post:

According to what God told Moses, Jesus is also a prophet:

AND

Apostle Peter confirmed that the verse above is pointing to Jesus of Nazareth:

I'm not Moses or Peter and neither am i God who uttered the statement in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

I only quoted what i found written in God's word!

ifiokjohn:
From many of the Bible verses that talks about Christ it is shown this man beginning has been from before time eternity. And you want me to believe a person like that is only but an ordinary prophet. I laugh

According to what God told Moses, Jesus is also a prophet:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that the verse above is pointing to Jesus of Nazareth:

In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Act 3:22

So what exactly makes the CHRIST much more than just a prophet?

Well it's simple!

All the prophets ever raised were selected due to the interest they had for pure worship but the CHRIST was born to establish pure worship.
All other prophets were born through reproduction process but the CHRIST has existed before Adam himself so he's not just an ordinary human.
All other prophets were looking forward to see the CHRIST but he himself is the image of the invisible God. In what way? All other prophets committed blunders in one way or another but Jesus perfected holiness.
That is why God made him the model for all men to follow, so that if anyone is able to imitate CHRIST such a person will be allowed to live forever! John 3:16 compare to Matthew 17:5

Now God never said that about anyone not even the angels in heaven! Hebrews 1:5

Thank you!

To humans, killing is the worst type of crime but to God all sin is crimes so what really matters to the Creator is the criminal himself/herself:
Is he/she willing to change?
The ability to change and make a U-turn is in the Good News about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
So once the criminal decides to accept Jesus as King all his/her sins will be wiped out and he/she has become a new creature before the true God.

Now this will really confuse many most especially misinformed religionists and atheists because they don't know God's will.

Well God's will is that people of all sort become obedient to his righteous standard and live together in peace {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} during the times people don't know this plan they may have different line of thought regarding God's will for mankind, some may feel that God just want some to dominate others the way it is now {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} but God doesn't want imperfect humans to rule over imperfect humans because it's not in their capability to judge rightly! Jeremiah 10:23

So God has chosen a righteous King who will not look at anyone's face before judging even his own mother is not as important to him as those willing to submit to his righteous rule! Matthew 12:46-50

He will destroy all these people forcefully ruling and dominating innocent people worldwide and his government will rule forever! Daniel 2:44

So all those who has been murdered during the time we don't understand God's will Jesus will bring them back to life when death or expiring dates will be no more! John 5:28-29
Only unrepentant evildoers will loose out because Jesus won't force his government into anyone's brains it's either you willingly submit to his rule or you're deleted from his domain! Luke 19:27
Therefore no matter your past deeds if you have reasoned along with him and decided to live under his righteous government Jesus will give you a honorary citizenship under his government in Paradise on earth! Luke 23:43

cornelboy:
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I'm having difficulty reaching you, please if you can try to contact Janosky through mail and give him the mobile number you're using for data. He has my direct contact.
Good morning!

achorladey:
Something you know is present in and within Kumuyi.
Learn

What is present in Kumuyi that's not in Atheists?
Well since you can't list any fine WORKS it OK!

achorladey:
After all this wetin remain?
You don enter your books and brochures to do your usual copy and paste
I thought I will see something extraordinary not seen before.
Chai! Even if you had gone through the fruitage listed in Galatians 5. Kumuyi go still tick those boxes in that register
Learn you no gree.

ATHEIST!

Don't worry all those LEARNING what you want are out there with you without any form of standard! Luke 11:23

Make you list you no gree, you say make i do first, i do finish you no fit mention one thing wey your Kumuyi and Catholic dey do!

Steep:
There were religion before Jesus! The point is Jesus said that he (a person) is the way , the truth and the light not religion Or organization.

Christianity teaches that salvation lies on faith in Jesus, not on organization or group.

Salvation is not base on work, group identity, culture, character etc but on putting ones faith in Jesus relying on Jesus sacrifice for the remission of sins.
Calling on Jesus name is the only means one can be saved!

Sorry Jesus also said many will come in his name and deceive many! Matthew 24:11
Yet there will be a faithful and discreet slave group that will be feeding his true disciples at the proper time! Matthew 24:45

So even among the sects calling on the name of Jesus there is one true group that Jesus is working with that's why only them can produce the expected FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-23

Truvelisback:
When i mean question, i mean question His authority. Stop twisting the Truth.

If you don't know that what those people were asking is tantamount to QUESTIONING the authority of their God then i'm sorry for you?

achorladey:
See as e run comot from the first part
What is the fruit of faith in Bible you have, bring am make we mark the register together as e concern Kumuyi

(1) Jesus sent his disciples to go throughout the earth and make disciples {Matthew 28:19-20 Compare to Act 1:8} JWs have gone throughout all the earth!
(2) Jesus ordered his followers to love their neighbours {Matthew 22:39} so they mustn't tag anyone as foe to the point of planning to kill {Matthew 5:43-48} JWs go visiting their neighbours uninvited and never planning to kill anyone! Matthew 26:52
(3) Jesus taught his followers that they are no part of the world so they're not to support any side against another {John 15:19; 17:14-16} JWs will never support any political party against anyone!
{4} Jesus ordered his followers not to revenge nor defend any city {Matthew 10:23} Jehovah's Witnesses have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:2-4
{5} Jesus prayed that his followers should have the same line of thought {John 17:22} throughout the world today Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought!
{6} Jesus taught his followers that love must be their IDENTIFYING MARK {John 13:34-35} JWs are known globally for the love they have among themselves!

These are the qualities expected of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.
Can you now list the FRUIT you're seeing in those i'm criticizing?

achorladey:
Hahahahahaha
The rules has always been LIE FIRST....... DENY THE LIES........... ADMIT THE LIES......... SAVE FACE.
When I quote the Awake article on SELF DEFENSE [/b]to someone who needs [b]information related to that topic, what was your reaction?
He wants to hide "only God's active force can make possible", here are your words below
You go soon run
Hungry for someone to massage your self righteous . Na your words I go still use. You can not better when you said those of your religious organization are influenced by the Devil and sin like every other religious organization like yours.
Let's I forget over 41,000 religionist with confusing doctrines don't perform FINE WORKS. You remember.
Learn you no gree.
If something is not missing, it will be failure. Om thing or the other must be lacking. Continue to peddle failure and misses. Na your palaver.

Chai see failure torí Ọlọ́run!

According to God's word can you list the fruit of their faith?
Start with Kumuyi if you trust him!

Truvelisback:
God is Sovereign. He chose to give and Bless whosever He chose to give or Bless. That's why He is God. He is unquestionable.

Well that's your own God not our own God JEHOVAH!
Abraham QUESTIONED Him! Genesis 18:23-24
Moses QUESTIONED Him! Exodus 3-4
Habakkuk QUESTIONED Him! Habakkuk 1:13

That's why he sent us out as his lawyers to answer all questions faithless people ask about Him {Isaiah 43:10-12} and Jesus said God will support us with His active force! Luke 12:12

We know how to defend the words of our own God! 1Peter 3:15

Truvelisback:
U always quote out of point. By the way, is it necessary u write this long epistle just to prove ur point?

Please explain why JEHOVAH (YAHWEH) ordered the Israelites to kill people from other nations and take over their lands without my loooooong epistle!
Instead of glorifying God for the way they were silenced you want to criticize me, shey?
Abeg answer them!

Steep:
Salvation is found in Jesus not in religion.

But are there no religion before Jesus?

achorladey:
Na so e dey be. When you demean the religious leaders of other Christian denominations, your body go dey sweet you all over the place. You forget they are just like your eight old men too. Now that the stuff was switched to your end. You begin to calm down.

This is where you failed woefully!
I just told you that we (both you and i) can speak against any religious leader but i will never raise my tongue against FINE WORKS that only God's active force can make possible!
That's the clear difference between a righteous and the wicked. Both of them do criticize but while the wicked will continue to criticize even when he can see FINE WORKS the righteous will stop immediately once the fine WORKS are listed to him.
John baptized Jesus but after sometime he began asking if Jesus is truly the Christ we are expecting. So we have the right to criticize if what we're expecting isn't happening but at the mention of the fine WORKS righteous John was convinced that Jesus is truly the Christ! Matthew 11:2-6
So nobody blames you for criticism but your criticism becomes an act of wickedness when you can't see any better performance elsewhere!

achorladey:
The religious leaders of other Christian denominations don't have FINE WORKS you know . The reason you speak against them up and down on nairaland.

John the baptist criticized other religious leaders.
WHY?
Because they're not producing the fruitage that's expected according to God's word! Matthew 3:8
So if you know their fine WORKS (FRUIT) according to what was written in the Bible please present it! Matthew 7:16-18
Thank you in advance!

TruthinAction:
The children of Israel only fought to revenge or defend themselves. They didn't go after innocent people. Rather, they took care of strangers in their midst as commanded by their laws.

Well only Jehovah's Witnesses can defend this with efficacy, if you don't study our book (Bible) with us you can't silence all these atheists!
Let me help you out:
JEHOVAH wanted to secure a small portion on this planet to establish pure worship because Satan and his demons have captured all the nations on planet earth so there is no place where pure worship was practiced back then.
So He allowed the Israelites to travel all the way to Egypt and stay there until a seven years famine subsided. Then the King of Egypt decided to enslave the Israelites and JEHOVAH allowed it for 400 years until all the nations on planet earth have heard that the children of Jacob (Israelites) have become permanent slaves to Egyptians.
That's when JEHOVAH now went to Egypt with a representative Moses who is an octogenarian to free the Israelites from the hands of the then most powerful nation on the planet.
Everything that happened served as a warning message to all the nations on this planet that the most powerful God has claimed Israelites are His people.
Going by the system people know back then, the most powerful god secures the greatest army! So once JEHOVAH released his people from Egypt all the nations on this planet have gotten the warning that any place this people are coming to claim must have been according to the will of the Almighty God.
That's why a wise lady (Rahab) begged God's people to spare her life because she's sure that it's this Almighty God who desires those places not the feeble Israelites! Joshua 2:9-13
That's why the inhabitants of Gibeon begged God's people to spare them! Joshua 9:3-21

So if anyone wants to accuse JEHOVAH for the things that happened back then, let him go and find out why God told the Israelites that the places He promised their father Abraham has been surveyed before their release! Deuteronomy 2:19

Steep:
Religion cannot save you, salvation is in a person not in religion

So any religion can lead to salvation, shey?
Then what exactly did Jesus meant by this:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Truvelisback:
Nothing. I just want to know ur Belief.

I think this post will answer your questions:

oteneaaron:
In this little write-up, these terms would have their meaning in Context as follows:

GOD-- Signifies the "supreme being" from any religion ( Yahweh, Allah, Buhdda, Sango, Krishna, Oduduwa, Owoicho........etc)

MAN-- Signifies You and I ; all humans existing and non-existing(HUMANITY as a whole)

RELIGION-- signifies all of the worlds religion (after-all they are all products of the same factory)



WHO CREATED GOD??

Its no wonder that when you ask he above question to any religious minded person and you're gonna get differing answers.

Ask any creationist : "What is the proof that Man was created ? " , "how do we know that life and all there is had a designer?"

And we receive this reply that -- Man and all there is are intelligent creatures ; the human brain, the universe in general attest to the fact that everything was created by a Supreme Being...

*Please note the argument - an intelligent creation must have an intelligent designer-

So here is the correlation, If you seriously believe that "nothing came from nothing" and there has to be an explanation for our "intelligence",
then GOD must have been created too!!!

WHY?

"GOD" exists and he is very ( if not too Intelligent---common, he's GOD!!).....so what is the explanation for his Intelligence??

If the world as we know it attests to fact of the existence of a creator, then that creator must have been created because HE(GOD) bears the same (proof of an Intelligent creator) Qualities.

Now who created GOD??


Sadly, the answer has been right in Front of Us all this time........

WE created GOD!! You and I , MAN.....

When we were perplexed as to how the universe was sparse and awe-inspiring, we had to give credit to -someone- so we invented GOD

When were Scared because we felt or experience disappointment, death, sickness..etc, we needed Solace and we created GOD to blame and to beg for assistance

When we felt the need to Control our fellow MAN, we created GOD and religion to keep humans in check , after-all they must all answer to our creation -GOD-

GET IT RIGHT...

We created GOD


Now, our creation of GOD may have been a necessary evil, and MAN is growing up....the time has come for us to let go of Childish things!!

Jesus said if we all followed how God arranged it in the beginning {Matthew 19:4} most women will be virgins today because each man will stick to one woman and this will make all women sit right as they can only enjoy what married women are enjoying when they're also married!
But where some men goes for divorcees and women who have lost their virginity then other women that are married won't know how blessed they are to have gotten their own man! Luke 16:18

Go on speaking against the 8 old men and you are justified because they are uninspired and fallible {1Corinthians 13:9} but speak against the fine WORKS they are doing with millions of people under their supervision across the globe {Matthew 7:16-18} and don't forget to present a better performing group {James 2:18-26} that's headed by imperfect humans like the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 12:31-32

cornelboy:
Apostates are semi atheists

Something like that because they will argue (not to talk about a form of sacred service they're pleased with) but to indirectly condemn all by supporting every religion whereas it's evident that God doesn't approve all forms of worship though they all claims to worship Him! Genesis 4:3-5
So indirectly they're condemning worship but unsuspecting observer will think they love everyone as they don't seem not to criticize any. Therefore if any religion wants to stand up in the midst of others they'll be in the forefront condemning it just as Cain killed Abel for getting God's approval!

Carchoice:
Genesis 32:22 to 31

22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.

23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.

24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.

25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.

26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name? Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.

32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.



Question;

1. Who is this man?

2. In what form did the man appear to Jacob?

3. Did the man appear to Jacob in his sleep or in a wake state?

4. What was the wrestling about?

5. Was it a physical fight or it was indeed in his dreams/visions.

6. What did Jacob do to win the fight that made God bless him?

7. Verse 32, what is it really saying about a tendon attached to the hip socket?


I’ll really appreciate your time as you answer these. Thank you thank you thank you.

(1) It was an angel.
(2) in the form of a human
(3) It's in a vision.
(4) It was about what Jacob cherished with all his heart the HERITAGE of being the person through whom the Savior will be born {Genesis 25:27-34} Jacob brought it from Esau with food.
(5) Not physical, in fact Jacob was begging as in (crying) according to what God's word later revealed and it was his tears that's holding the angel back because all the armies in heaven already knew that this is the man through whose lineage the Christ will be born! Hosea 12:4
(6) He was pleading so that the blessings he took over from his senior brother to be his permanently.
(7) It's a sign of heritage for all faithful people to keep forever!