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cornelboy:
I don't understand the verse. Your funny tctrills
Paul said there many Gods (man, Jesus, stone, silver etc) but to them they have only one GOD who's the Father.
Learn baba

The funny part in their arguments is how they rush to quote John 1:1 then trying to remove Jesus from other Gods when Paul said there are many Gods and Lords both in heaven and on earth!
If in the beginning a God was with God doesn't that makes two Gods?
Surely one is superior to the other, and when other Gods began existing through creation what makes them different from the first two Gods? Is it not because one is the father of all? 1Corinthians 8:5-6

cornelboy:
I actually figured this out myself. I knew the "angel of the lord" in the OT is Jesus not God himself. He's always been God representative.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm that makes you smarter than i was back then, perhaps it was due to my Muslim background because it took me more than two years to grasp that the angel was only representing Jehovah. I was confused until a brother quoted Exodus 13:21 & 14:19 and asked me the difference then i began to see that the angel was representing Jehovah and not Jehovah himself!
Please READ Genesis 18:1-8 and compare to Hebrews 13:2

MindHacker9000:
Where is the wine today? If the story is true, then the jars of wine should still be full till today as they should never run out.

Why is river Nile not flowing with blood today?

ifiokjohn:
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Well Michael is the word of God!

mike404:
SO HE IS NOLONGER GOD

That's another topic to be discussed some other time.
He is just the angel that always represent God whenever God wants to send an angel to represent Him before humans!
At Exodus 13:21 Moses said it's God that was leading the Israelites but at Exodus 14:19 the same Moses said it was God's angel that's leading the Israelites.
So a balance view will make us realize that the angel people often see back then speaking to them as YHWH was only representing God.
Mind you this same angel visited Abraham with two others, they ate and drank what Abraham served them! Genesis 18:1-8 compare to Hebrews 13:2

Thanks!

The truth of the matter is Jesus often drinks alcoholic beverages himself!
According to his own statement in the Bible book of Luke 7 Jesus clearly explained that he often drink whatever his host present before him so far it's what's common among God's people unlike John the baptist who doesn't take anything alcoholic Jesus was a perfect man who drinks responsibly!

Jesus went on to say, "To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: "’We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’ For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ’He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ’Here is a glutton and a DRUNKARD, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children." Luke 7:31

Observers noticed that Jesus often drinks, it is evident that no sane human will accuse someone who doesn't take alcoholic beverages a DRUNKARD!

Archangel Michael is the one standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

He is the same angel leading God's people out of Egypt! Exodus 14:19

He is the Archangel because he's the first creature Jehovah made directly while all others were created by him! Colossians 1:15-16

Whoever wants to dispute this fact only need to present a better performing group than the JWs who said Archangel Michael (Jesus) has been the one leading them in all their achievements. Better still the person should join hands with those that share his line of thought and pitch their tent elsewhere so that the whole world can SEE there performance as Jesus' worshipers.

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, the only true God whom Jesus worshiped is our God! John 17:3

achorladey:
Go back read my post all over again and see which publication in that my post states the below
this spirit is simply Jehovah.
This is easy for military intelligence officer to do. Then come back with your explicitly stated.

Thanks for wasting my time and data!

These people will not let sleeping dog lie!

If everyone should say what they saw in their dreams Nigeria will be burning by now!

achorladey:
It is not the first time I posted this here.
The key in that post is the religious organization you belong says you cannot be DOGMATIC about it.
Learn.
That spirit is simply JEHOVAH.
Mr Military intelligence officer, I referenced two publications that can be verified using your online website or the hardcopy of these publications.

Can you quote where it's explicitly stated that "the spirit is simply Jehovah"

Well we know that the angel is a representative meaning Jehovah's mouthpiece!

Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

The angel was representing Jehovah but not Jehovah himself!

Funny trinitarians!

Their TRINITY only reign in their head nothing like VISIBLE WORKS {James 2:18-26} as Jesus promised about his disciples! Matthew 5:14-16

Clinghton:
I realized that I needed to change my music library to christian songs, because I realized the kind of music ( foreign hip-hop rsp music), didn't help my christian so I looked for a foreign hip-hop rap Christian musician and I fell in love with one named lacrae.
I downloaded his songs played them even watched his videos with other artist am skeptical about his sings whether it's worldly or glorifies God?
If a worldly artist sings a Christian song does it mean the song is acceptable to God?

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat. We wept when we remembered Zion. Upon the poplar trees in her midst, We hung our harps. For there our captors asked us for a song, Those mocking us wanted amusement: “Sing for us one of the songs of Zion.” How can we sing the song of Jehovah On foreign soil? Psalms 137:1-4

You can learn one or two things from these verses, there is just one organized people who can sing praises to the true God. That's why the Babylonians were mocking God's people to sing those songs they used to sing to their God.
Do the Israelites commercialize the songs they sing to praise the true God?
NO! Because it will not make any sense before surrounding pagan nations.
So today if you find any commercial musician know that he can't sing praises to the true God because he must include what will entice buyers for the sake of marketing (money) Matthew 6:24

Thank you!

achorladey:
Preamble:
You have been challenged by cornelboy because you stated that Jehovah is Jesus. What follows is just for you to see how the same religious organization cornelboy belongs tends to be a member of in the future equally try prove your point. The source of this “calm, low voice” may have been the same spirit who was used to deliver “Jehovah’s word” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, this spirit is referred to simply as “Jehovah.” We might be reminded of the spirit emissary whom Jehovah used to guide Israel in the wilderness and of whom God said: “My name is within him.”(Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1. Imitate their faith book page 107 published by WTBTS Jesus also seems to have acted as God’s Spokesman to humans on earth. God likely spoke through Jesus as the Word when giving instructions to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:16, 17) Jesus may have been the angel who guided the ancient Israelites through the wilderness and whose voice the Israelites were strictly to obey.—Exodus 23:20-23.*...... Bible question answered book..... pg 160 published by WTBTS.
In summary
1. Jesus may have been the person in Exodus 23:21
2. Jesus may have been the same spirit in Exodus 1 Kings 19:9
3. That Jesus who is the May have been in Exodus 23:21 and 1 Kings 19:9 is that spirit simply referred to as JEHOVAH in 1 Kings 19:15
Looooooool to the use of the word simply. Oh and they used John 1:1 to round it up .
Well they don't want to be DOGMATIC about it, but when someone say don't be dogmatic it means they don't want to go as far as making it something you cannot CHALLENGE or UNQUESTIONABLE or UNYIELDING or INFLEXIBLE.
Inclined to lay down principles as undeniably true.
synonyms: opinionated, peremptory, assertive, imperative, insistent, emphatic, adamant, doctrinaire, authoritarian, authoritative, domineering, imperious, high-handed, pontifical, arrogant, overbearing, dictatorial, uncompromising, unyielding, unbending, inflexible, rigid, entrenched, unquestionable, unchallengeable, intolerant, narrow-minded, small-minded
That is to say it can be entertained or WELCOMED as well that Jehovah is Jesus but don't or you cannot be dogmatic about it.
Na part 1 be that, part 2 is based on Isaiah 65 . I keep it in the cooler.
tctrills that is the gift I have for you

You claimed there is a publication of JWs that says "Jehovah is Jesus" but instead of fulfilling your promise you ended up running round in the circus like a clown!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses know that whenever anyone reads God's word the listeners aren't listening to the one reading rather they're listening to the voice of JEHOVAH!


Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19:5

Did Jehovah keeps speaking to every Israelite? NO!
So how do all Israelites listen to the voice of JEHOVAH throughout their generations?
By paying attention whenever Jehovah's words are been read publicly! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Stop deceiving yourself, the angel representing Jehovah there is Archangel Michael who is always standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

So whenever Michael is speaking to Israel he is serving as Jehovah's mouthpiece to his people.
That's the import of what you're misconstruing in the publication of JWs.
But if you still feel like it's not so then present a JWs publication where it's explicitly stated "Jehovah is Jesus"

Brother, good morning!

ifiokjohn:
what do you think about 1john1. Are you telling me Micheal is the word of God?
Jesus is said to be the first born of all creation.... Are you telling me Micheal is the person God created before all thngs

Well do you know any group zealously and unitedly practicing what Jesus taught?

Remember Jesus promised:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

The one and only group practicing what Jesus commanded globally are Jehovah's Witnesses so if they say their captain is Archangel Michael {Daniel 12:1-3} do you think it makes any sense arguing with them?

Jesus said: "by their fruits you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Don't let anyone deceive you it's not about individuals but a group whose activities will be noticed globally! Matthew 5:14-16

They are deceiving themselves, i have always told them that ATHEISM is another religion on it's own but since they feel only people coming together to sing and pray are religionists i just leave them to continue in their illusions.

Religionists throughout the whole world have a certain thing in common:

We all have what we dedicate our lives for!
Those assembling together always work on the same line of thought on morals and standards while some choose not to agree with others on morals and standards but set it for themselves. So either way standards and values are our goal even though we may not agree.

The atheist has built a secret altar somewhere in his figurative heart where he bow to himself every morning while others go to places of worship to do the same thing in an assembly.
So while others agreed to rely on a supreme being for knowledge and wisdom the atheist see himself as his own God.

Here comes the funniest part!

While others that agreed to rely on a supreme being for guidance are calling others and discussing with them on how to cohabit peacefully under the mighty harm of a supreme being, the atheist who serves himself as God will also come out to join in the discussion yet he doesn't know why he's doing so.
Please who is saying the true God hasn't set the standard that no human can ignore? They will not rest since it's God's will that during the endtime humans will devote their time, energy and resources as they come together chatting on something. But while true worshipers of God are doing so in the name of JEHOVAH and meditating on his name {Malachi 3:16} the atheists will not know why he's also their yet he is restless! Romans 2:15

cornelboy:
Revelations 1:6
[6]He, Jesus has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
I'm looking forward to see who you'll say the Father is

He is calling me names saying he's avoiding me ever since i told him point blank to his face that the INJECTION of truth is what's worrying him. Don't worry he's ashamed for now but he will still come back for you because he can't find a commentator on this forum that will make him feel his emptiness like JWs.
All of them will just come and hail one another after agreeing on what is not resolved but JWs will make sure that matters are set straight. 2Timothy 3:16-17
You can't say Jesus is Jehovah but not the father and expect a honest hearted individuals not to question you about the identity of the father whom Jesus said only those doing His will can be saved. Matthew 7:21-23

tctrills:
Baba Good night. Don't be like the Jews that could not recognize Jehovah when he was among them. Remember Emmanuel... God is with us.
Yet they did not recognize that God was with them.
We cannot claim to be Jehovah's people and be ignorant of who he is.
About the Father, I would create a post.

OLÓDO!

Where are those who knew the identity of the father?
Jesus taught us that the whole world will see the mark of pure worship in the midst of those who knew his father {John 13:34-35} because the predominant quality of his father will work in their gathering! 1John 4:8

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have this quality in their midst and you can't present any better performing group, yet you're arguing blindly about the identity of the father whom you can't present His worshipers for everyone to see the qualities of this God in their midst!

We are all imperfect humans so individually our flaws will be noticed but as we come together in Jehovah's name all his qualities will be obvious in our gathering {Galatians 5:22-23} as a sign that it's the God WORKING in the midst of imperfect humans that we're seeing His qualities that's not possible for any other spirit to make it work elsewhere! Matthew 5:13-16

So present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses if you truly know Jesus' father.

ÒPÒNÚ!

tctrills:
I promised we would get to that but we are not done with the whole Jehovah topic and you were going to show me where the Bible says Jesus rules heaven for now with his 144000

Dodging don begin!

Jesus is Jehovah but not the father, then what is the name of Jesus' father that we must held Holy? Matthew 6:9

Abeg Cornelboy my wife is disturbing me i'm going to bed, this guy is a confusionist he will never give you a distinct response but luring you into worthless arguments just to get your weak side then capitalize on that to tell you that your faith is wrong.
If truly he wants to talk don't forget this will be the second time he's running away from direct questions, the first time you asked about his Church and till today he ran away only to return without answering.
Now he said Jesus is Jehovah but not the father, OK what is Jesus' father's name?
He wants to dodge that one too!

tctrills:
Please are you quoting someone else? I have never said Jesus is the same as his father. I only said Jesus is Jehovah, not the Father. Please quote me right. At least let's be honest people.

Chai, see confusion o!

No wonder our NWT returned JEHOVAH'S name back to it's rightful places in the scriptures!

So Jesus is Jehovah but not the father.

Then what is Jesus' father's name that Jesus himself said he has made known? John 17:6, 26

cornelboy:
No be you talk say e de the same let with the Father?
Pls who's the Father of Jesus?

Perhaps it's Jesus himself!

cornelboy:
You don't understand anything in the book of revelation bro.
Don't you know that Jesus will fight his enemies on earth?
You don't know gog and Magog, Armageddon?

He already knew you're smarter than his nonsense and ingredients but he's desperately looking for your weakness so he can capitalize on that. Once he couldn't find any weakness in you he will run away and start calling you names! Luke 4:13

Jesus and his 144,000 co-rulers will forever be in heaven but the effectiveness of their righteous government is what will be brought to the earth, and the inhabitants of the earth will enjoy it for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:5-6} after which Jesus' 1,000 years tenor will end then Satan (who has been chained in the abyss) will be released to come and test the humans who has become perfect through Christ's millennial reign. That's why Jesus said:

"The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended" Revelations 20:5
Because only those having the heavenly call will not encounter Satan's trouble anymore, so they have nothing to fear as regards temptation or falling for Satan's tricks! Revelations 20:6

Of course many perfect human just like Adam and Eve will fall for Satan's tricks again then God will destroy both Satan and all those that followed him!
That's when we will no longer need Jesus again as perfect human, then each of us will connect with our heavenly father directly! 1Corinthians 15:28

tctrills:
Just a thought, If God is going to reign on earth, It completely destroys your old argument that 144,000 would live with God in heaven don't you think so.
Unless the 144000 dudes would be there without the presence of God. This means your 144,000 are not really special as you think. Those on earth would be the ones to enjoy the presence of God and Jesus Christ.

ÒDẸ̀, ÒPÒNÚ, OLÓDÒ!
So if the Tabernacle of God is to be with mankind you have forgotten that the Israelites had it before they lost the privilege of being God's people shey?
Or you think God was here on earth when Moses built the Tabernacle?

tctrills:
Yes Godhood is a state. I gave you an example of The Apostle declaring Jesus Christ as his God.
John 20:28-29

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
This alone should clear all your doubts.

Thomas only exclaimed just as anyone who saw something amazing will do the same!

Thomas never called Jesus my Lord and my God,

A Yorùbá man/woman will shout at a staggering sight:
"Olúwa Ọlọ́run mi ò!"
That doesn't mean what he/she saw is his/her God and Lord o!

sonmvayina:
And they have not tormented you?

Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. Psalms 23:4

tctrills:
I know, but unless he is ready to be respectful and a good boy, I would continue to cut him off.
I try not to read most of what he writes

You must be a very stupid idiot to demand for respect from me!
I will continue to quote and correct you on JW threads so that honest hearted and sincere followers can see how arrogant and confused you are!

tctrills:
The very same source of all revelations. God.
Now who is God? God isn't someone's name.
It's a state.
But the question i's in who's voice was it revealed.
In the book of revelations, Jesus Christ spoke in first person.
Let me give you an example with chapter 1

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

If you read verse 8 alone, you would be confused but when you read all the verses together, there in is understanding.

The highlighted!

Jesus is the faithful witness of who?

Isaiah answered:

“You are my WITNESSES,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my SERVANT whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isaiah 43:10

Here JEHOVAH is the one speaking about His WITNESSES (plural) while Jesus is the SERVANT (singular) chosen by JEHOVAH!

@ Isaiah 42:1-3 we read

Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations. He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street.

@ Luke 4:17-19 we read:

So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.

So JESUS is the CHOSEN SERVANT of JEHOVAH upon whom JEHOVAH'S spirit is WORKING!

Wahala dey for Okpoko!

Jesus is Archangel Michael, that's the simple truth. Whether someone is ill mannered, abusive or unintelligent the Koko remains that you're wrong for saying Jesus is Jehovah.
That i will use the scriptures to teach you anyday, there's no room for opposite opinion on that!

tctrills:
For Mr MaxInDHouse.. I remain silent as that is the best answer for a fool.
He is completely Ill mannered and abusive.
He finds it hard to accept that others can have opposite opinions and ideas without being enemies.
It would be hard for me to relate with such unintelligence.

YES! I can see that as he keeps coming to JW thread where Max will see his comments shey?

achorladey:
I don't need to get a compulsory response from you in first place.
Tctrills has waters that you hungry for.

tctrills:
I see what you are trying to do, you are trying to decide who said what based on your doctrine and not based on context.
Initially you felt the book of revelation was God speaking now you found a funny counter argument that destroys your first argument.

Let me ask you a question who is coming to reign on earth Jesus Christ, his Father or both?

If you know who is coming then you know who revelation 1.8 is referring to.
Also, I brought up other verses that showed Jesus Christ is Jehovah even outside revelations.
I would go into phase 2 of the discussion, that is telling you who the Father of Jesus Christ is after we are done with understanding who Jesus Christ is

The one coming to reign on earth for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:1-6} must hand over to a higher authority! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So is it the same person handling over to himself?

I'll reserve the response regarding Archangel Michael for tctrills, he's the one raising the topic not you!

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse: Jesus is Archangel Michael

MaxInDHouse: Other Christian denominations do not believe Jesus is Archangel Michael

MaxInDHouse: There are over 41000 religionist teaching contradictions.

MaxInDHouse: We Jehovah’s witnesses are not part of this religionist teaching contradictions.


Abeg which Jesus is Max talking about that is Archangel Michael?

Shey na the one for Bible or Quran? .

If na the one for Bible, will Max agree then that his religious organization includes these religionist teaching contradictions?

achorladey:
We know you use those smileys as well. It confirms the SADISTIC heart the abundance of your personality carries . After all it came from the abundance of your sadistic heart.

BLOOD TRANSFUSION!