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YourFavEvangeli:
Wrong, whoevee is resurrected by the spirit of Jesus at the end will rise to immortality and will reign with Jesus forever

No wahala, go and REIGN without subjects!

YourFavEvangeli:
We are a royal priesthood, a peculiar nation 1Peter 2 vs 9,
Every one of us will have a crown in heaven, we will all be crowned. 2 Timothy 4 vs 8, Revelations 3 vs 11.

There are many names given to men at different intervals, Moses was told "The I am that I am" which in the hebrew tongue was written YHWH (Yahweh) later transcribbed to Jehovah.
Psalm 68 vs 4 by the same David called God Jah.

In the new testament, the name for salvation is Jesus.
Isaiah 9 vs 6 -7 was prophesying about Jesus. Jehovah was never born anywhere in the bible.

In John ch 10 vs 16, the other sheep not in the fold are the gentiles (non jews).

Through Jesus, the gentiles became partakers of the blessings of Abraham and became one body in Christ.

The 144,000 in revelations are currently pure blooded jews, Christ will come back for them after the gentile days are over and will save them all in one day.
Romans ch 11 vs 1 - 32
Emphasis on verse 25
Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The gentiles who are now christians are the other sheep Jesus talked about in John 10 vs 16

No wahala go and REIGN without subjects!

sonmvayina:
Clear Undisputed Prophecies About messiah, Who he will be and What he will do

* messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon, not Jeconiah, through his human biological father. Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Jeremiah 22:30, 36:30, Psalm 89:35-37. Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son Numbers 1:1-18.

J-s didn't have this genealogy, he didn't have a birth father from the Tribe of Judah, in the line from King David and Solomon, not Jeconiah. He had a virgin birth according to Matthew and Luke. And even if he didn't have virgin birth neither genealogy in Matthew 1 or Luke 3 can produce a King to be the Messiah. In Luke 3 the genealogy doesn't go through Solomon as required and in Matthew 1 the genealogy is rejected because it goes though Jeconiah.
II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6, Jeremiah 22:30,36:30.

* When Messiah is reigning as King the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24. This didn't happen, the Jews were dispersed widely after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes the Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and sin sacrifices will be fully instituted Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26-27, 45:17-46:16; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21. The Temple was destroyed after the death of J-s.

* When Messiah comes there will be Worldwide Reign of Peace and complete end to war Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18. There are still wars upon wars.

* When Messiah is reigning as King all of the Jewish people will observe Torah Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27. Everyone is not obeying Torah the world is filled with rebellion to the Most High.

* When Messiah comes all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true Elohim Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9.

* J-s didn't fulfill any prophecies about Messiah. He didn't have a human biological father in the royal kingly line, the Jews have not ingathered from their exile, the third Temple has not been rebuilt, there is not world wide peace, there is still war, all the Jewish people are not observing Torah and not all people are serving the Most High.

There are few questions i have for you with all these your write-up.

If truly you believe in the Messiah and that the Messiah is coming to unite the whole world by teaching everyone to understand God perfectly. What will become of your REINCARNATION?

Will everyone reach Nirvana since the Messiah who supposed to be a perfect master train everyone to become perfect?

sonmvayina:
Did God ask anyone to believe in somebody other than himself in the old testament?

You and i have been through this several times but for the benefit of other followers:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19


“Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself and he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Heaven must hold this one within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old. In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ Act 3:19-23

It's impossible for anyone to believe without a messenger, Moses served as God's messenger who mediated the first covenant so the Jews must believe in what Moses said before they can truly claim they believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

In the same manner it's impossible for anyone to believe in the second covenant without Jesus. So whoever tells you he believes in the first covenant through Moses but disbelieve the second covenant through Jesus can continue waiting for another Messiah.
But i assure you today that there's no way anyone can unite the whole world without first coming to establish a global training program which Jesus of Nazareth commissioned in the first century.

I believe the first covenant through the writings of Moses and i equally believe the second covenant through the gospel about Jesus of Nazareth!

YourFavEvangeli:
Resurrected to mortality? Or to immortality?

There are two separate destinations for faithful and obedient humans:

The first set are few as in limited in number {Luke 12:32} it's God's chosen King that will train them to know how they will treat their subjects {Luke 22:25-26} Jesus set the example by going to meet people in their homes! Luke 19:8-9
So this is the first set that Jesus came to gather and they were given the task to go out the same way Jesus did to gather their subjects throughout the world {Act 1:8} this leads to the second set:

The second set are countless numbers of obedient mankind that will become submissive to Jesus through the preaching and teaching of the first set {John 10:16 compare to 17:20} this set are the ones who will inherit the earth to welcome billions of dead people! Matthew 5:5

So immortality (life without a possibility of dying) is the free gift the first set will gain through their selection as Christ's co-rulers {Revelations 20:4-6} they have no business with death anymore because Jesus will take them to heaven as spirit beings! John 14:1-4

As for those who will continue living in the flesh as humans their eternity depends on their continuous obedience to God because God will never tolerate another Adam and Eve rebellion like what leads to all these trouble! Isaiah 65:20

sonmvayina:
Who asked you to believe in "Jesus of Nazareth "?

Who asked you to believe in a Jewish Messiah?

YourFavEvangeli:
Wrong wrong wrong
Every christian who walks in the Holy Spirit will reign with Christ in heaven

The word "REIGN" alone is enough to make you grasp what the Bible really teach.

The Churches of Christendom taught you that all of you will reign with Christ shey?

Why not ask your teachers about those that will be your subjects?
Àbí there can be kings reigning over no subjects?

Abeg if you're ready to learn go and meet Jehovah's Witnesses, they will teach you the truth about the true God JEHOVAH! Psalms 83:18

The chosen King JESUS! Isaiah 9:6-7

Selected co-rulers with Christ 144,000 BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS! Revelations 14:1; 20:1-6

MILLIONS that will become their earthly subjects OTHER SHEEP! John 10:16

May you have PEACE!

Jackiedemie:
So, in your dream world, all human being will be same....?
There will be no demarcation between you and your dad, grandpa and great grandpa etc.

Please i won't tolerate insults, if you don't have hope in the future that doesn't mean everyone else must become hopeless.
According to God's word people lived more than 800 years during Adam's time before they died. Common sense should tell anyone that they must have become Adults at 20 before spending more than 800 years.
Meaning if Adam never sinned we would have remain youths nobody will have to see another person as dad or mom after adulthood because we will all remain youths forever.

Jackiedemie:
You talk about resurrection, at what age will people be resurrected, let assume, you dad's elder brother died when he was 15years and your grow to 80years before kicking the pocket. Now, tell me who will be the eldest among them... Your dad or his elder brother?

Any dead person will be resurrected as a grown youth not old because it's Adamic sin that caused oldage and after Jesus' sacrifice has been applied in our case NO MORE OLDAGE!

Jackiedemie:
What will happen to billions of people who don't believe in the biblical principles...
They won't resurrect?

I answered this in the post you quoted!
Where were they before creation?
Well they were dust according to God's word therefore if they never made themselves available for life in harmony with the Landlord who created the earth they will be forgotten in their GRAVES (HELL) Psalms 9:17

aribisala0:
but you do

By the undeserved kindness of God, Yes i do!

Jackiedemie:
If your right (even though I doubt it), what is the essence of being righteous whereas we all will end in hell (Grave).

The highlighted is not true!

Death is the reason why corpses (lifeless bodies) are buried in the GRAVE (HELL) but God promised a time when He will undo the cause of death by then humans will no longer grow old, get sick or die.

Before then He (God) promised to remove all the causes of pains and sadness, meaning whoever is a cause for sadness to innocent people will not make it Into the new system! Psalms 37:9-11

But all those who have washed their hands clean (figuratively) from evil deeds will be ushered into life everlasting and they won't have to die at all! John 11:25-26

So God's angels are moving around now to pen down the names of all those seeking Him with all their hearts {Malachi 3:16} if your name is found written among the righteous you will be remembered even if you're dead before then {Job 14:13-15} but as for all those who lived their lives without God at heart will never be remembered during the resurrection of the dead, they will be forgotten in their GRAVES (HELL) Psalms 9:17 compare to Revelations 20:15

Thank you!

bobestman:
You are a Spiritual and biblical olodo. All you know were downloaded into your head by the JWs
In the begining it was Man and His Creator alone. No books or bible or Religious Cults to guide you. It's Man and it's maker Books were written cos Man fell and failed to heed. The Word was engraved in us and sealed in our conscience via our spirit man. If you sin, you make peace with your maker and move on. The people commune with the Father directly not through anyone. Adam speak directly to the Father in Eden. Noah, Abraham, Isaac etc even Abimelech, Pharoah etc were warned by God through dreams when they did wrong. In the New Testament, the Messiah's disciples also recieve direction from the Father when they ask aright. It's you and your maker first. Establish a relationship with him so you can recieve direction from Him cos "my Sheep are those who hear my voice"
You can be righteous, holy and Spiritual without following any Religion. I have seen great men who do. I am also Witness. I know not all these when I was in your Religions. These days almost everything is dilluted so don't follow multitude or men of gods or Religious teachers who have no knowledge of the Father and what was corrupted from what they teach. You already have the word and everything for you to be Righteous is written there. If you follow it, you can never go wrong. Cos what God gave his people is the Word not Men. In the Word is the truth. The word is Life. The Word can cleanse you from sin cos it is written "you are clean cos of the word I speak to you".

You don't know what the word is that's why you underate it. That's why I keep telling you that those people have blinded you spiritually. Your eyes are open when you study the Word and through it the Spirit which is your true Teacher teaches you all things. We are at endtime. Evil time. A time of deception and lies. Men will arise and decieve
people. Study yourself. You have a Spirit that can teach you all things. The Word had been since Creation. He is the Tree of Life one must eat to inherit eternal life. The tree of Life is a man. Tree of Life is Ndu Orah in root Hebrew which they changed to Torah/scripture/Bible. When people still don't understand, that Word was made flesh and brought to us. That Word/Tree of Life/Law is what you people call Jesus. A name they fabricated for him. But the Hebrews his true people had known him and his true names before Vatican turned his teachings and gave a name that is not His which you all ignorantly call. I can teach you deep things that are all in your Bible but All you Christians can never see it cos how they wrote it for you is not exactly how it happened.
All you know are JW doctrines. The Word and the Spirit are the greatest Teachers not JW Org or Religions created by the Vatican to to decieve the Elects.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, it has not come to insults nah!

Well the Bible says those people searched for God with all their hearts and you have clearly stated that there was NO BIBLES.
So if there was no Bibles and they were searching for the God they had no foreknowledge, how did they escape demons that responded to people from other nations?

Remember that it's the same process all of them followed before God responded positively to people like Abel, Enoch, Noah and Abraham but turned away from Cain, Lamech, Nimrod and other who later became spiritists.

Jackiedemie:
What if this heaven or hell doesn't exist?

Heaven is where spirit beings live everyone know this because spiritism is undeniable.
Hell simply means GRAVE
So both exists it's just that majority don't have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE regarding the two!

chatinent:
How does one become born again?

Becoming a Christian is within your conviction about Jesus as you're moved to put on the new personality Jesus preached and taught.
But being Born Again is only reserved for those God will choose to reign with Christ in heaven, there's no criteria manly possible that can make anyone qualify it largely depends on God.
So you can decide to become a Christian but you can't choose to be a Born Again! Matthew 20:20-23

LordReed:
Ok, let's just leave it at that.

God's son differs from man's child, animal sacrifice in Israel's ancient temple worship foreshadow the ultimate sacrifice God will make in behalf of obedient mankind.
God's spirit son was transformed into a human (perfect) by pouring out the blood of this perfect man he bought all those putting faith in him.
Through faith they're no longer Adam's descendants but children of the perfect man who kept his integrity to the end of his human life.
So stop deceiving yourself the way God views the matter totally differs from the way you're looking at your own child, if your child die you have no power to bring back the child from the dead. But God has the power to raise Jesus that's why his death was like a bruise in the heel {Genesis 3:15} and that's exactly what the patriarch Abraham believed (trusted) that the one who fulfilled His promises (making a 90+ old woman got pregnant and delivered safely) can raise Isaac even if he (Abraham) should kill his son as God demanded {Hebrews 11:19} because God's loyal love endures forever! Psalms 136:2-4
comment meant for all other followers not only LordReed!

RepoMan007:
He was sent to call only the lost sheep's of Israel until he broke the partition between the gentiles and the Jews at death n ressutection phase. There is a difference between Jesus before death and after ressurection based on Gods agenda. Jesus himself sent Paul, a Jew, to the gentiles. That says a lot.

I couldn't have said anything better.
Thanks for the clarification!

AntiChristian:
It wasn't written there as spirit beings! Christians are sons of God too. So they are similar!

YES, there's a similarity between the two but the first ones at Genesis 6 were naturally created as God's sons while humans have inherited sin through Adam.
So those at Genesis 6 were God's sons by their nature but the Born Again Christians became God's Sons through faith in Jesus Christ {John 1:11-12} therefore nobody can become a Born Again without first getting baptized as one of Jesus' disciples {John 3:5-6} but as for those at Genesis 6 that's their nature before they left their abode for what is not their nature! 2Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6

AntiChristian:
It is biblical.
In Genesis 6: 1-4,
Sons of God chased beautiful daughters of men and they gave birth to giants!

Please no insult!

The sons of God mentioned at Genesis 6 were spirit beings with materialized human bodies, they molded the bodies for themselves so that they were highly irresistible to any young woman back then.
But Born Again were Christians who has been chosen to rule with Jesus in heaven, all their senses has been deadened to physical things of this world and every inclination of their hearts is about heaven the promised permanent residence Jesus told them! John 14:1-4
God used His Holy Spirit to choose these ones among the Christians it's not because they're holier than other Christians that's why those chosen often talk about GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) because they will escape lots of agonizing conditions that all other people are going to experience before been ushered into everlasting life! Revelations 20:5-6

chatinent:
First, what does it mean to be born again to you?

A million dollars question!

MindHacker9000:
So the Jews were rebellious because they wanted Jesus to show them a sign He is the Messiah God has promised so that they are not deceived by an imposter. GOD showed the people of Israel signs to show that HE is the one speaking to Moses.
But you feel that the Roman soldiers that mocked Jesus were the ones that God forgave.

The Jewish religious leaders weren't sincerely asking for a sign because Jesus performed lot of signs in their midst and they said:

Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin. "What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation." John 11:47-48

What they actually wanted is for Jesus to help them conquer the Roman empire just as Moses conquered Egypt and freed their ancestors. Moreover during the time of Moses God spoke to their forefathers because they never experienced any powerful works of God even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never experienced what Jehovah wanted to do with the Egyptian! Exodus 6:2-3

MindHacker9000:
Also for your information the Romans only crucified those that rebel against the Roman occupation of Israel at that time and at that time there were alot of Jews rebelling against the Roman occupation hence the other two that were crucified with Jesus had rebelled against Roman occupation and that was their offence.

NO! There were many Jews who weren't in support of the revolution the Jews were planning as they formed a secret revolutionary group called "Jewish Zealots" each zealot back then usually go about with a sword hidden under his garment in preparation of the anticipated revolution. Even Jesus' disciples were expecting him to start the fight for freedom, that's why they responded quickly when he told them to get SWORDS {Luke 22:36-38} after all the prophecy about the Messiah said he will be like David (a king who killed all the enemies of Israel during his reign) Isaiah 9:7 compare to Luke 1:32-33
But as for the two guys executed beside Jesus they were outlaws (real criminals)

Then one of the criminals hanging there began to speak abusively to him, saying: “You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment? And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.” Luke 23:39-41

YES, they were real criminals!

DeepSight:
Dont waste your energy, speaking to this fellow is like trying to dissuade Osama Bin Laden from the path of terrorism.
Chap is a fully brainwashed extremist fanatic.

First interference:
"Osama bin laden (terrorism)"

DeepSight:
You belong to a cult.
"Specific factors in cult behaviour are said to include manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members, communal and totalistic organization, aggressive proselytizing, systematic programs of indoctrination, and perpetuation in middle-class communities."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Secular_anti-cult_movement

After your self-appointment was cancelled you shifted the goal post to: "you belong to a cult"

DeepSight:
Enjoy your delusions.

And after you've been silenced completely you ended up saying: "Enjoy your delusion"

Well for your information, we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES weapon formed against our solid faith will fail, any tongue that rises against us will be silenced, that's our HERITAGE. and as for our righteousness just take it or leave it because it's from JEHOVAH our God! Isaiah 54:17

So next time don't come up with your stupidity thinking you've gotten something to say against reality!

DeepSight:
Armageddon to come within 20th century

Watch Tower Society literature of the 1970s and 1980s repeatedly claimed that the "end" had to be expected before the turn of the century. The 1971 book The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah – How? stated: "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the 'battle in the day of Jehovah' will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."[58] A 1980 Watchtower article described the notion that "the wicked system of this world" would last "until the turn of the century" as "highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy" (emphasis added).[59] A similar statement in a 1984 Watchtower article suggested that some members of the 1914 generation "could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that 'the end' is much closer than that!"[60] Until its October 22, 1995 issue, Awake! similarly included the statement, "this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."[61]

In 1989, the notion that the missionary efforts of the Witnesses would culminate before the turn of the century was first reaffirmed, then abandoned. As first published, a Watchtower article of January 1 stated: "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century."[62] (Emphasis added.) Nine months later a more cautiously worded statement appeared in the Watchtower: "We have ample reasons to expect that this preaching will be completed in our time. Does that mean before the turn of a new month, a new year, a new decade, a new century? No human knows" (emphasis added).[63] In later bound volumes of the 1989 Watchtower magazines, the text of the January 1 article was amended to state that Christian missionary work "would be completed in our day" rather than "in our 20th century".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions#Armageddon_to_come_within_20th_century

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni i said paste just one publication where a specific date is mentioned!

Look at these:


"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near." Matthew 3:2 this was what John the baptist said in the year 29 c.e.


"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near." Matthew 4:17 this was spoken by Jesus Christ in the year 29 c.e.


"Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" Act 1:6 this was spoken by the Apostles in the year 33 c.e.

None of the aforementioned gave a specific date but they were talking about the same thing: "The end of the world"

So if i now find a global group of people who have fulfilled all the prophecies written in the Bible book of (Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-5, Zephaniah 3:9; Zechariah 8:23) repeating the same thing in the year 1900 c.e.
Then i know they are on the same page with those who said the same thing about 2,000 years ago.

All what i need to observe closely as an intelligent observer is not the time they said it but the improvement in their worship.

I noticed that all these people have been repeating the same thing and it's almost 4,000 years ago now but things are getting better.
HOW?
They predicted that God will bring a kingdom (government) to destroy all the wicked and their evil government! Daniel 2:44
The King will become a child and later grew up to be a WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER and PRINCE OF PEACE! Isaiah 9:6
Then he will be killed for the redemption of obedient mankind! Daniel 9:26
Then a group will emerge visiting their neighbours (uninvited) discussing about what righteousness stand for! Malachi 3:16
Then they will gather obedient people from all the earth! Isaiah 2:2
Use the Bible to educate them thoroughly to the point where all of them will have the same line of thought! Isaiah 2:3 compare to John 17:20-23
Then they will erase politics and military services from their hearts so that none of them will think of raising weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4

Then you're expecting me to dismiss all these successes only to concentrate on the repetitive reminders which has been for almost 5,000 years ago!

You must be out of your mind!

DeepSight:

"Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society publications have made a series of predictions about Christ's Second Coming and the advent of God's Kingdom, each of which has gone unfulfilled. Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were later reinterpreted as a confirmation of the eschatological framework of the Bible Student movement and Jehovah's Witnesses, with many of the predicted events viewed as having taken place invisibly. Further expectations were held for the arrival of Armageddon in 1975, but resulted in a later apology to members from the society's leadership."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions

See mumu rumour carrier!
My friend everyone knows the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses, so present a publication with a specific date on it àbí it's just the same lies against this group just like your friends?

DeepSight:
You belong to a cult.

"Specific factors in cult behaviour are said to include manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members, communal and totalistic organization, aggressive proselytizing, systematic programs of indoctrination, and perpetuation in middle-class communities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Secular_anti-cult_movement

Shifting of the goal post!

First of all it's an accusation of being a terrorist and after i've bursted that you want to change to cult shey?
Continue deceiving yourself!

Uptownerd:
Well, if you had common sense, you would have read the article and seen that it provided specific authentic sources just like you stated above. But, here you are showing us your full blown "inability to read" before commenting.
You will just open your mouth waaaah and start talking without even knowing what you are talking about.

So you lied against the group!
I know there's no evidence of your assertion that they predicted the end of the world but if i say you lied from the beginning you will just continue arguing fruitlessly.
Next time people are spreading rumours try to verify things before you join them spreading such rumour. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES never predicted anything they're just anticipating the end of the world just like ancient servants of God.
You're free to prove me wrong by presenting just one of their publications where a specific date e.g (Saturday, 8th January 2022) is written.
In the absence of that then you've been misinformed my friend!

DeepSight:
Dont waste your energy, speaking to this fellow is like trying to dissuade Osama Bin Laden from the path of terrorism.
Chap is a fully brainwashed extremist fanatic.

Osama bin laden will carry weapons against you but i will never raise any weapons against anyone. So you're wrong Sir!

When wisdom speaks intelligent people will know that this person is highly intelligent so if you don't know how to contribute to the discussion why not follow quietly and learn?

plaetton:
Isn't that the point?
A God or belief system is as good or bad or as silly as the mind that creates it.

There is no such thing as a perfect human. The human psyche is far too complex to ascribe simplistic terms like perfect or imperfect.
Just like everything else in the universe, we are constantly evolving both in mind and in body.
Every era has its set of values or worldviews.
The grand folly of Religion is the futile and comical attempt to adopt Bronze Age myths, beliefs systems and values in the modern era.
It becomes a joke, as it currently is.

Ògbéni when did you jump into the discussion?
I thought i'm still chatting with the other guy but all the same you're welcome.
Faithful servants of God in the past are also imperfect humans like everyone else but they were seeking meekness and righteousness that's why God sent His Holy Spirit to make use of them, but that doesn't mean they can accurately grasp the information even though they were used as secretaries to pen down the words. It's until God is ready to unravel the sacred secret. Daniel 12:8-13
God's Holy Spirit has been revealing the sacred secrets to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES gradually {Proverbs 4:18} when this group began in the 1870s they never knew the task ahead of them but God keep using His Holy Spirit to navigate their steps until the fulfilment of His will which only Jehovah's Witnesses are participating!
They have gone throughout the whole world to gather obedient mankind, they're using the Bible to train them. And what is the result?
All those humbly receiving this training have resolved all their racial disparities, they are using their resources for the production of food and information materials, they have erased vengeance from their hearts so they will not raise weapons against anyone neither do they think of military services anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So they're not perfect but the true God is using them to fulfill His promises.
Know today that Jesus is coming again but by the time he returns all rebellious humans will be exterminated! Luke 19:27

MindHacker9000:
Are you now saying that the reply of the Jews and the errors of all their ancestors is stronger than the Blood of Jesus shed for many for the remission of their sins
Even Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing on the cross! And now you are inferring that the Blood of Jesus is of no use for the remission of their sins!
Was the reason for His coming not Him to be crucified

That's why you need to learn the truth from the messengers of Godly peace: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Jesus' blood can save only the OBEDIENT not rebellious humans! Zephaniah 2:2-3
When Jesus talked about forgiveness he wasn't talking about the rebellious Jews who knew what they were doing, but soldiers who were making jest of him as they thought he's just a nuisance dragging issues with those who are older than his father (Joseph) and most influential in the society. The thief who got the sense of Jesus' coming was granted a visa to Paradise despite all his atrocities but the other thief who failed to grasp it can't have what Jesus promised his cohorts.
WHY?
Because both of them were Jews, indirectly the one demanding for miracles knows Jesus was the Christ but he was demanding instant release despite being a criminal receiving punishment for his evil deeds! Luke 23:40-41

plaetton:
Lol @ " commited a lot blunders"
You mean there are a lot of blunders in the Bible? For real ?

You mean contradictions.
Yes , of course.
A collection of fables from Bronze Age ought to have a lot of contradictions.
What has been going on for 2000 yrs is that each new era edits the Bible to take out obvious contradictions, and also to insert their own ecclesiastical agenda.

Recently, the current pontiff of Rome told us that we have to start seeing new understandings in old scriptures. In other words, the current understandings if scriptures does not make too much sense in this modern era.
So, from time to time, as has always been the case, new words and new meanings will be substituted for old ones either through re-translation, re-transliteration or plain old deliberate obfuscation.

I have told you that imperfect humans may have misconception over what God promised.
For instance John the baptist thought Jesus supposed to start ruling the earth since he is the long awaited Messiah {Matthew 11:3} his disciples thought he supposed to begin his reign after his resurrection {Act 1:6} all these shows how much righteous people keep anticipating the righteous government God promised! Psalms 45:6

So if you're now mixing the anticipation of God's people for the coming Kingdom as LIES then you need to wake up.
You need to update the information you're carrying in your brains.

Rome has nothing to do with pure worship!

MindHacker9000:
OK why was Jerusalem also destroyed 70 years after Jesus preached, was crucified to give His Blood for many for the remission of sins , was resurrected as claimed and also ascended to Heaven in this same Jerusalem

The destruction of Jerusalem 33 years after Jesus death served two purposes:

First of all it served as a sign that the true God is no longer interested in that faithless nation, as they kept killing all the prophets sent to them {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally they killed the prophet Moses who was the prophet that rescued them from Egypt warned them never to disobey {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} even when the pagan Roman governor Pontius Pilate said he washed his hands from the blood of this innocent man, the Jews replied:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.”

Secondly it served as the punishment for the errors of all their ancestors! Luke 11:50-51

sonmvayina:
The Messiah is a Jewish king...the tanakh is a Jewish book. I don't really know what you are expecting.
Their book their story...has got nothing to do with me.
IFA belongs to the yoruba ...you won't find any mention of jews there...

That's why i believe in Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah promised in the Bible. He must unite all the people in the world but there must be a global preaching and teaching to get all people fully prepared for coming King.
Jesus' first coming was to commission a global training, even John the baptist had this same misconception you're having right now. When John was arrested for saying what's right he expected Jesus to come and rescue him since God spoke from heaven to confirm Jesus when John baptized him. So when Jesus didn't take any action after John's arrest John sent his disciples to go and ask Jesus:

“Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

So there's no way the Messiah can unite OBEDIENT humans globally without first commissioning a global preaching and teaching program Jesus of Nazareth did in the first century.
Today it's yielding positivity globally, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Jesus' true disciples) are uniting obedient people throughout the world using the Bible to erase politics and racism from their hearts just as God's word foretold. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

I know you believe in the Jewish Messiah, your knowledge is inaccurate because God's word foretold that the Messiah will unite all obedient people first but only humble people who have love for righteousness will respond positively that's why Zephaniah the prophet said:

"before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger" Zephaniah 2:2-3

So whoever tells you to remove Jesus of Nazareth from the scene must explain why the Messiah who never came to establish a training program can convince me that it's the word's of the Jewish God i must obey and not that of the gods of my ancestors!

Ninevites were left (not forgiven) because their King ordered them to repent, so the calamity God's prophet "Jonah" foretold about Nineveh was postponed until the death of that good King. Later Nineveh was destroyed for the same purpose but the destruction wasn't during the reign of the good King!
The same happened to Israel during the reign of Hezekiah (the king) God sent so many prophets to the Jews but they never repented until God decided to destroyed Jerusalem.
Hezekiah the king of Judah stood out as a good King, he destroyed all the temples of idol worshipers. 2Kings 18:1-7
So by the time Sennacherib the Assyrian King came to destroy Israel they were able to conquer all the surrounding towns but when he tried to enter Jerusalem an angel from God came and killed 185,000 soldiers of the Assyrian camp {2Kings 19:35} and that's how God postponed the destruction of Jerusalem until the reign of a stupid King.
So there was no forgiveness for Ninevites the true God only postponed the calamity until the death of the good King just as He did because of good King Hezekiah!

sonmvayina:
We are saying the same thing ..
The idea of a Messiah is Jewish in origin.
In my place we just know they are king and accord them due respect.
The Messiah the jews are talking about, the one God promised to send them is supposed to bring peace between them and their neighbors. Build the temple and resume the daily sacrifice to their God.. because of his righteousness, the entire world would be infected with his good life and peace will gradually come to earth. USA and the likes will turn their war arsenals into ploughs and tractors....no more wars and oppression of any kind.
I really would like to live in such a world. Who wouldn't?

You and i aren't saying the same thing!
You've not answered my question, why must the Messiah be a Jew and not Yorùbá, Nigeria from Africa?